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TURBO LS-WHEN ARE PORTED HEADS NECESSARY?

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

Күн бұрын

FULL BOOSTED DYNO RESULTS. Turbo Junkyard 4.8L, Cheap EBay GT45 turbo, stock 706 vs TFS 205 CNC Heads test. Do ported heads add power? Can you just run more boost? Can You home port stock heads? Why modify before boost? What is that drink? Happy Hour & Horsepower!

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@Mustang_Chris
@Mustang_Chris 4 жыл бұрын
He even puts "boost" on his lemonade.
@Abreezeducttesting
@Abreezeducttesting 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@billbirmingham
@billbirmingham 4 жыл бұрын
Nitro, not boost. lol
@cazsmith3503
@cazsmith3503 4 жыл бұрын
Everythings better with boost
@DeagledSmeagol
@DeagledSmeagol 4 жыл бұрын
@@billbirmingham nitro is just boost in a bottle. 😉
@carlosvalenciah8306
@carlosvalenciah8306 4 жыл бұрын
XD
@nowayjose596
@nowayjose596 4 жыл бұрын
Richard is definitely the type of guy I'd like to drink and talk cars with.
@mrdrenalin69
@mrdrenalin69 2 жыл бұрын
I linking while I’m dristening to him talk.
@brianmelancon2635
@brianmelancon2635 2 жыл бұрын
Why would you wanna drink richard
@thegobblerproject2363
@thegobblerproject2363 2 жыл бұрын
Yup just don’t think I could do the hard lemonade but that’s cool if that’s what he likes
@Levibetz
@Levibetz 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just imaging Richard's neighbors hanging out on the fence listening to story time haha
@tiitsaul9036
@tiitsaul9036 4 жыл бұрын
Your content has improved a lot since earlier days. You used to sound like a sales man, but now I really enjoy seeing your true personality coming out. Thanks for sharing.
@papacapra1908
@papacapra1908 4 жыл бұрын
Tiit Saul I loved this guys content back when it was just in magazines, but his early videos felt kinda “forced”. This more laid back format is cool. It’s like talking to that car guy neighbor we had growing up.
@cc23001
@cc23001 4 жыл бұрын
I like his new approach but the old spitfire info got the job done too. This is good for folks that need someone to talk them through the data though and he delivers! Richard is the man!!!
@velr50gt
@velr50gt 4 жыл бұрын
The key is to make the engine as efficient as possible before putting the turbo kit on.
@chriscase6341
@chriscase6341 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@patrickmontgomery6353
@patrickmontgomery6353 4 жыл бұрын
Speed costs money, how fast... Richard, you make it so easy for all the rest of us to make well informed decisions on how to spend our money, cost benefit, real world results... the list goes on. Easily one of the most educational and interesting engine channels on youtube. Please don't ever stop being you. Cheers!
@IslandBoy958
@IslandBoy958 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the late 80s I worked for Magnum Plus Nitrous based out of Houston. My Boss, the owner of the company said, Your motor is like your relationship if you don't have good head you will never maximize your performance" RIP John Stewart
@mortensandmoen5208
@mortensandmoen5208 4 жыл бұрын
For me it is important that it will last for long time. Better with 500-600hp on the street then 900 in the garage !
@ufarkingicehole
@ufarkingicehole 4 жыл бұрын
Heads aren't going to be the issue with reliability when speaking boost
@MALR7
@MALR7 4 жыл бұрын
Mr flimflam fremdippity danyet well heads allow to run lower boost so lower boost means less strain and more longevity
@Hitman-ds1ei
@Hitman-ds1ei 4 жыл бұрын
Boils down to "how big is your wallet" most often it seems
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 4 жыл бұрын
that's what car modding is. how fast do you wanna go vs. how much do you wanna spend. better flowong heada that allow lower boost for the same HP might result in lower IATs which means you worry less about knock, which could mean the difference between using pump gas vs e85 or having better ignition timings. also gives the motor some room to grow for bigger turbos in the future.
@jaydunbar7538
@jaydunbar7538 4 жыл бұрын
Cash represents time spent or risk in the past, if you spend last year's time to buy the heads or time porting it now yourself it makes no difference as both are time spent past or present. Or time spent in the future for those who put such things on a credit card.
@streetfighterracing1583
@streetfighterracing1583 4 жыл бұрын
Now we need a set of videos on how to port LS heads at home
@charlestorruella8591
@charlestorruella8591 3 жыл бұрын
There all over KZbin and everyone almost says they are right and everyone else is wrong so I went to where all the horse power is made at a race shop down in fort Myers that let me hang out and watch this dude didn't even know his name and learned form him after trying a bunch of times ya learning by watching is the only way KZbin videos well your not there and you really can't see it form all angles recommend doing it live the only way to learn
@classic2custom821
@classic2custom821 3 жыл бұрын
I’m the DIY middle of the road guy. Port it myself and do what I can’t within my budget.
@projectinlinesix
@projectinlinesix 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Happy Hour & Horse Power!!
@Rocky-cg9nl
@Rocky-cg9nl 4 жыл бұрын
Best gear head on KZbin hands down. You're awesome Rich!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate that
@rearranged420
@rearranged420 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking at the tfs genx 205’s for a couple years. Thanks for the video. This saved me $2200.
@jarlegregersen7496
@jarlegregersen7496 4 жыл бұрын
What i love about your and sloppy mekhanics is that you dont have to make a million buck to have fun ! thank you for everything your testing out for us !
@marcscoggin5961
@marcscoggin5961 4 жыл бұрын
I’m on the side where I want a power level but needs to be reliable and easy on the motor for long lasting fun!!
@ufarkingicehole
@ufarkingicehole 4 жыл бұрын
@Why Zee Two Fiddy then Richard Holdner drops a video giving you all 3 breaking every law in physics....
@PetesGarageandperformance
@PetesGarageandperformance 4 жыл бұрын
Also the term “fast” is very subjective. What used to be considered fast is no longer fast.
@geraldfoltz8852
@geraldfoltz8852 Жыл бұрын
Impressive how humble you are God has blessed you with a wonderful gift!
@Kincentc
@Kincentc 4 жыл бұрын
My vote always has been with "efficiency". Port your turbo heads. Cooler intake temps. Lower pressure levels. Lower backpressure. Literally zero downsides except "wallet".
@PetesGarageandperformance
@PetesGarageandperformance 4 жыл бұрын
Kincent Carter it’s like porting your wallet!
@Kincentc
@Kincentc 4 жыл бұрын
@@PetesGarageandperformance hell yeah
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 4 жыл бұрын
Richard I'm glad you mentioned valve de-shrouding. IMHO this is where most gains are and it's pretty easy.
@needadate
@needadate 4 жыл бұрын
Bowl work is definitely the most power per hour of labor. I have yet to see a decently modern engine which benefits more than marginally from deshrouding - unless you add a significant change in bore diameter.
@indyrock8148
@indyrock8148 4 жыл бұрын
@@needadate do both with a parallel valve v8
@dfxdallas
@dfxdallas 2 ай бұрын
I’ve seen very little of your content to this point & know it’s absolutely awesome reviews from the numerous times you’ve been mentioned in forums over the last couple years. As my build progresses I find myself asking these questions like as what’s my best option on a budget build vs buying aftermarket setups & here you are 😆 I’m currently building a forged 5.3 shortblock with factory crank. Considering what I want the top end to look like as far as power levels go & running my stock 862s, modifying them, or other alternatives. Thanks for the info./content man! It helps a lot of us out tremendously when some guys don’t want to review or repeat it in posts. We all gravitate back to the knowledge you’ve shared time & time again. Keep up the good work
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 2 ай бұрын
happy to help-join the live feeds I have daily to get answers to direct questions
@dfxdallas
@dfxdallas 2 ай бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 I’m glad someone out there is as interested in the testing as I am. Not sure if you’ve mentioned it yet as I’m playing catch up on all the videos but I’m looking for limits of stock 862 valves in my forged bottom end 5.3 that’ll be high revving & thrashed on. Hoping with all ARP hardware & a good tune that the valve doesn’t become the weak link that hurts anything else. I’m not very social media savvy but I’ll see if I can find the live feed! Thank you 💪🏼
@KCadbyRacing
@KCadbyRacing 4 жыл бұрын
Over a 2 year period of time I helped a friend tune his 1080cc (Kaw. ZRX1100) from 120Hp NA up to 500Hp with Turbo. One of the "several" build combinations/upgrades was head work. Long story short, we jumped from 220Hp to 260Hp with the head work (same cams, cam timing and boost) 👍 Mods were over size valves (with proper un-shrouding in combustion chamber), porting (which included epoxy for calculated critical choke area in intake ports). He did raise the compression from 8:1 to 8.4 so not all of the 40Hp gained was from the head work but most of it was...
@ianm432
@ianm432 4 жыл бұрын
I think people underestimate how much 700hp in a street car actually is lol Most people riding in a 700hp turbo car will believe you if you told them it makes 1200.
@crw3673
@crw3673 4 жыл бұрын
Funny cause it's true!
@johnnymoran180
@johnnymoran180 4 жыл бұрын
My C6 Z06 makes 630rwhp n/a on 93 pump gas. You can't hook it on the street whatever.
@manitoublack
@manitoublack 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree.👍 Look how fast a 300bhp rally car is. In my current build (Pulsar GTiR, turbo 2.0L, ) I don't want more than 275AWkW. Then I wont be able to drive it on the throttle in the mountains. The roads are too narrow and twisty. Needs to be progressive and responsive. Horses for courses. Some people want a traffic light hero. And that's cool to. But I don't like speeding tickets 😉
@ThePaulv12
@ThePaulv12 4 жыл бұрын
Heck Ian, even a lazy 500hp from ~ 500cubes in a sub 3500lb car is enough to frighten you with under 3.5:1 gears. The gobs wheelspin from the tall gearing makes the rear end feel like it's on ice. Very disconcerting when you hoof it in a built up area, it steps out and you snap the throttle off, it bites and cavorts off in a direction you'd rather it didn't. Parked cars, poles, pedestrians, gutters etc take on a surreal aspect lol.
@dazaspc
@dazaspc 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair unless you are racing anything more than 350 hp with decent torque is all you should ever want on the street. Doing rolling burnouts when you are already doing 60 mph really is overkill
@emma_freerider
@emma_freerider 3 жыл бұрын
Im defenitly in the middle! Doing myself everything you teach us and that i can do in my house. Thank you Richard
@medihedayati9132
@medihedayati9132 4 жыл бұрын
Richard knows so much.very knowledgeable.
@mxguy2438
@mxguy2438 4 жыл бұрын
"now its a mikes hard lemonade... With a purpose". I vote that Richard Holdener should replace Johnathan Goldsmith as the most interesting man in the world for 2020. Just need to get Richard to do a video in a smoking jacket. Great video as always.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
I'm SMOKIN in any Jacket
@bigblock406ta
@bigblock406ta 4 жыл бұрын
I’m on the every thing side but my wallet is on the bone stock side IV got something in the middle. 4.8 stage two cam springs and gt45 clone tremonatorX 9.883 at 16.5 psi wC16 and 22 deg timing. 3250p s10.
@N0LIMIT.HANGMAN
@N0LIMIT.HANGMAN 4 жыл бұрын
What kind of power are you seeing out of your gt45 or trap speed. I've got a 5.3 with 706s btr ss2 turbo cam sheet metal intake and 102mm tb with a emusa gt45r (rearmounted) trying to get to around 750whp so I can dip into 9s with my fbody. So far with a stock ls1 with sheetmetal intake an tb only on 9#s I made 530whp/540tq stock 60e/10bolt. I'm thinking if I can get 18#s I should be able to get around 750whp and dip into 9s out of the gt45r. 🤞🤞
@curvs4me
@curvs4me 3 жыл бұрын
If you are racing and the limiting factor is power adder sizing then you will need everything. Stage 99 head hogging, big solid roller cam, lightweight rotating assembly (relatively, but designed for power adder) Ported everything and big intake and exhaust piping.
@drakeolson2539
@drakeolson2539 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome info and it was nice to enjoy a frost beverage with ya after a long day in the clinics! Can’t wait to get my car running this weekend!!! You have been an inspiration! Thank you!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
get going
@TheDude2111
@TheDude2111 4 жыл бұрын
Loving your philosophy on the grayer subjects. More of this ; it's good stuff. A rod stroke ratio video would be awesome.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
nothing there
@PMDc-OneCarGarage
@PMDc-OneCarGarage 4 жыл бұрын
Love the "Happy Hour" hang out session. Cheers! I greatly appreciate all the content and results. BTW my 6.0L LQ4 junkyard build will be somewhere in the middle. Looking forward to seeing the Sloppy vs. The World videos
@rockyriverracing1429
@rockyriverracing1429 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like this was a no brainer but the way you explain it really helps prove it! Thanks Richard
@daveb1870
@daveb1870 3 жыл бұрын
Richard is the definitive guide to all things ls. Hes down to earth, will answer your questions and is probably the single most important channel for almost all things ls and testing.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
THNX
@keithschuessler3435
@keithschuessler3435 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so excited to see your video of how to port heads at home, if Brian tooley was leaning over your shoulder.. Take all the time you like, excruciating detail is welcome!
@dustingonzales2388
@dustingonzales2388 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info I have ben kinda lost in what LS to put in my 1981 c10 Daly driver keep up the good videos
@dangerds1
@dangerds1 4 жыл бұрын
wish i herd this type of reasoning 10 years ago. Took a lot of time an money to figure out what richard just said. Great vids man keep them going.
@MendingThings
@MendingThings 4 жыл бұрын
Love the "Happy Hour and Horsepower" premise! I'm an in the middle leaning a little more towards spending the money kind of guy. My build is a L76 stroker 403 with an LSA blower. I spent the money on the crank, pistons, rods, cam and ported blower. However, I ported my own heads. These are LS3 heads and are darn good stock. So I knew I didn't need that much more out of them to get to my HP goal of 8xxHP. I also enjoyed the research and work to do the porting. There is something soothing about doing that kind of work to me. Love your videos, you are by far the best source for this information and I just enjoy drinking and watching with you!
@thesetwohands6982
@thesetwohands6982 2 жыл бұрын
this explained a lot of my dilemma of upgrading heads which you already said I don't need to. with every answer I get I end up with 5 more questions lol.. thank you
@lamboferruccio
@lamboferruccio 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are becoming a daily routine for me mate, would love to have a pint with you one day cheers 🍻
@nolanbillings1519
@nolanbillings1519 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are incredible! I would love to see a VVT cam vs non VVT with the same cam specs on both! L94 L99
@Dubst3pT3ch
@Dubst3pT3ch 4 жыл бұрын
Won't really make more power just the torque curve will be wider.
@sandasturner9529
@sandasturner9529 3 жыл бұрын
Now we are Talkin 😃!
@lalipop241
@lalipop241 4 жыл бұрын
I am willing to put an ls on my 72 satellite and this is by far the channel that I enjoy the most. The guy is genuine and true to himself. This is the kind of knowledge I like to listen to. Thanks for making awesome videos :)
@morganjames7002
@morganjames7002 4 жыл бұрын
Killing it out here richard! I love dyno data but I like this more natural happy hour format and having more to the videos than dyno sheets. Keep it up! Straight to the top!
@Cowboy.underwater
@Cowboy.underwater 4 жыл бұрын
Like and comment for the algorithm. Keep up the good work Richard!
@babyruuth
@babyruuth 4 жыл бұрын
Day 13 down to Mike's and old dyno footage, must survive... Richard thanks man for the content!!
@carbf1942
@carbf1942 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all of these videos. Love them, so much information. You rock 🤘
@russ6029
@russ6029 4 жыл бұрын
6.0 with some cleaned up 706's. Super punchy turbo down low. Basically a single turbo LS "EcoBoost" combo that pulls to 6k. 500 tire on low boost with 91 octane. The Unicorn.
@michaelangelo8001
@michaelangelo8001 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds good.
@Smokey-88
@Smokey-88 4 жыл бұрын
When I first found your videos years ago, not gonna lie, I got the wrong impression.. that being said, I just want to thank you for all your hard work, if it was easy everyone would do it. If I found all these LS comparison videos 2 years ago, I guaranteed this would have saved me money on my swap. I landed with an LY6, maybe i'll spend my 1200 on a new VS 78/75 gen 2 - mess around and make 800HP (lol), have something to show for it in the end ;P Thanks again Richard
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
good combo
@jacobhorton8343
@jacobhorton8343 4 жыл бұрын
Dude I never even thought of mixing vodka with Mike's and I work at a beer store. Gonna start cutting wine coolers with vodka now. You are just full of wisdom my friend. Love it!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
or shine-that's full boost
@dustinjackson8646
@dustinjackson8646 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 I'd hate to see that big bang 🤣
@jodypierson3137
@jodypierson3137 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 6.0 I’m working on boosting, since I paid 1500 bucks for it i am going take Richards advise and do the things needed to be done to keep it together, if I had the 500 dollar version LS I would just send it for sure then go buy another as soon as it expired.
@darinr9424
@darinr9424 4 жыл бұрын
Ported heads are good on N\A \ turbo \ nitrous or blown engine. No matter what setup ported or better heads are worth it. Now if its in the budget thats a different story
@rodneyschnelle315
@rodneyschnelle315 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the videos. I’m on the “if I’m gonna do it I want it all “ side
@cashional
@cashional 3 жыл бұрын
PLUS 10 Points for the Oran Juice Jones line: “alley-cat-coat-wearing Hush-Puppy-shoe-wearing crumbcake” You sir earned my subscription!😆
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 3 жыл бұрын
OG
@waynebollentin989
@waynebollentin989 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, it depends on the budget and power goal. It's not definitely always this or that. It's simply not always necessary for a head and cam package. If you have the cash though. It's always the smart thing to do. For all the obvious reasons you listed. More power at lower boost, more power all around, etc. The right combination regardless which why you go is key. If you want to maximize said combination. That's the biggest mistake most people make. To many try and force a square block in a round hole. Doesn't matter how hard you try. It's not going to work until you have the piece that actually work together.
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 4 жыл бұрын
Anything that makes it good, adding boost makes it More GOODER!
@Motorcitypower1
@Motorcitypower1 4 жыл бұрын
Richard, you are a Mad Scientist & I love you for it !!!! Thank you for all you do !
@jeffs.4432
@jeffs.4432 4 жыл бұрын
Cant get enough of your videos. the amount of information and knowledge you share (for free) is amazing. thank you so much.
@DestroyAllorNothing
@DestroyAllorNothing 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao, never knew Rich was a drunk, I like him even more now!! 🤣🤣🤣
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
There may or may not have been pre purpose
@RAWRMotorsports
@RAWRMotorsports Жыл бұрын
I did my best on my first port job .. turned out pretty good
@ZEPRATGERNODT
@ZEPRATGERNODT 4 жыл бұрын
"With a purpose" My man...
@michaelangelo8001
@michaelangelo8001 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know, but I've heard that drinking Mike's will make your hair fall out...
@ijmodified
@ijmodified 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelangelo8001 🤣
@hpdreams8286
@hpdreams8286 4 жыл бұрын
Great video really happy with what I have learned from your channel
@miarviwi
@miarviwi 4 жыл бұрын
Had me on the edge thinking you were going to knock over that drink. That's some experienced hand gesturing right there.
@hu3.789
@hu3.789 4 жыл бұрын
It depends on if you want a car you can drive daily or a drag car. The thing you have to look at is the amount of heat that you'll generate as you increase horsepower. You can't change the laws of physics. A motor that makes 1000 horsepower is like having a furnace at your feet at WOT. If I were to build a boosted LS, I would add a cam, make sure I had enough ring end gap, and call it a day. The car would have plenty of power when I wanted it and I could go cruising with it. I'd like to drive my car more than 1/4 mile at a time.
@WarpedSpeed
@WarpedSpeed 2 жыл бұрын
Porting if done right will always help, on boosted motors you would skew things to the exhaust side,
@brentspence3379
@brentspence3379 4 жыл бұрын
LS, cam, springs, turbo. It's too easy and too awesome.
@greggdevault
@greggdevault 4 жыл бұрын
How does Richard only have 38k followers? The info he provides alone is invaluable.
@charlesbeard8823
@charlesbeard8823 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely love the new laid back Richard, I’ve learned so so much from your Chanel man, keep those vids coming, always great content.
@dannytravis7118
@dannytravis7118 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a street guy that likes to have a good reliable car or truck. I like to unleash the power of the stock engine with a cam and intake, carb combo. the reason is I'm not a professional racer and I can't justify going all out race gear to cruise the street where I'll never use the maximum amount of of power a race engine can make. I don't need race heads that flow a ton at.700 or. 800 inch of lift to only have a. 500 to .600 lift cam when factory heads flow almost as as good in that range. just like it's useless to put in a big solid roller cam in an engine that won't be revved above 6000 rpm. I learned along time ago to research first ask lots of questions and match the carb to the intake to the heads and cam to displacement and you'll make good usable power for the least amount of money. case in point. my brother has nova it had a 283. he drove it all the time had lots of fun. replaced the 283 with a mild 350 still drove it all the time had more power and more fun. he replaced the 350 with a badly miss matched 400 with 11.1 compression. it's fast and has to run race gas but now it mostly sits in the garage and isn't having fun anymore. he got disgusted with it because now he can't drive it and cruise like he used to. I've tried giving him some ideas to fix it but he isn't too hip to my advice. he was to young to remember my mustang. I blew up 3 transmission and sold the motor
@mannyr.2756
@mannyr.2756 4 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to approach this is to just get yourself a 4.8 or 5.3 leave a stock boost it get a feel for it and enjoy it and then get yourself a second engine after all there cheap, while your enjoying your first engine and learning you can take your time and build a second engine the way you want.
@KooshdaakaaGarage
@KooshdaakaaGarage Жыл бұрын
LS firing order 🤓 Love the shirt man! 🍻
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
THNX
@badexamplegarage
@badexamplegarage 4 жыл бұрын
You must now teach us the porting mystic arts. Big Bang motors brought us LS boost goodness, now happy hour and horsepower will bring home brew head porting! Give me 90% performance for 10% dollars any day. Double wishbone alley cat tiger toe spider 2Y banana here we come!
@sled1racer
@sled1racer 4 жыл бұрын
I'm the guy that took rec port BBC head got the machine shop top cut them for 2.25/1.88 valves and the port work myself. I'd like to do the same in my to be turbo'd 6.0L LQ4. Look forward to seeing your porting video
@joeytjarks5825
@joeytjarks5825 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely in the middle....dnt have a huge budget but added cam and head work sure makes it easier to grow in power dwn the road
@jblack5323
@jblack5323 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a real supporter of the underdog(and I’m tight with money) so I will go for the stock head deal. Makes me warm inside when I see a real low budget blown ls make more power than a fully built 4 cylinder.
@DSC1320
@DSC1320 3 жыл бұрын
I hate I'm watching this on KZbin instead of sitting at the table with you. Lol my brother from another mother
@asambi69
@asambi69 4 жыл бұрын
I'm somewhere in the middle i guess, I like the idea of saving money on heads and spending it on other things, but also like the idea of making the same power at lower boost.
@jeremypickle682
@jeremypickle682 Жыл бұрын
the one thing you always overlook is hp with octane limits. like say you have a 5.3 with a decent turbo and want to make a streetable setup at say 800 hp but are limited to 91 octane. lower boost equals lower iat which reduces the risk of detonation. aka a reliable street friendly motor. but I really do appreciate and enjoy your content.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 Жыл бұрын
I DON'T OVERLOOK HP WITH OCTANE LIMITS-YOU RUN LESS TIMING AND MAKE LESS POWER
@bentomo4887
@bentomo4887 4 жыл бұрын
I like the way he drop compression on his bottle and he put more boost on it 😎😎😎 just like a boss
@minnick99
@minnick99 4 жыл бұрын
There is another reason to go to an aftermarket cylinder head, and that is for the thicker deck. Factory cylinder heads have much thinner decks and will start to flex and push water at high cylinder pressures.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
Yes-I meant to cover that-I was drinking
@aarons.5523
@aarons.5523 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Hour & Horsepower should be the name of your new business 😉
@redlee3391
@redlee3391 4 жыл бұрын
I’m the guy that would be super stoked to have any ANY of those options put in my dad’s 1970 GMC that still has the service bed on.
@Daytonaman675
@Daytonaman675 4 жыл бұрын
Mikes hard lemonade with a purpose - I can respect that. Thanks for the data points
@RaceGasSmellsGood
@RaceGasSmellsGood 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the content! Keep it up! You're a wealth of knowledge and one of the industry greats! Great resource you're creating here!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
@sean5comet
@sean5comet 4 жыл бұрын
I myself am building an LQ4 6.0, which started life as a really high mileage longblock. Completely tore it down, going to bring it to a machine shop and use the stock crank, stock gen 4 rods, and do some forged pistons. Already bought ARP head studs and main studs(nearly $500), going to use ARP 2000 rod bolts. Already bought Harland Sharp 1.7 roller rockers and the FAST LSXRT intake manifold. Going to use a "small cam"(216 intake 220 exhaust both 0.600" lift). I'm either sending the original 317 castings heads to Total Engine Airflow for there stage 2 porting(about $1500) or will use the Trick Flow as cast heads for $1900, Trick flow cnc heads for about $2500 or the AFR heads for about $2500. Don't need any of these parts to make the power I want with the cam size I am choosing, but I want to keep a small cam in it and max out everything else. Can always cam swap it later. I prefer to upgrade everything and do it once, regardless of how much more it costs versus a cammed junkyard engine. This engine is going in a 2005 Chevy Tahoe.
@manitoublack
@manitoublack 4 жыл бұрын
The great thing with improving cylinder head flow (in addition to the correct camshaft) is being able to Rev the motor harder😈. And more revs = more better😁
@alj2264
@alj2264 4 жыл бұрын
You really don't have to over rev a turbocharger motor.. to make decent horsepower you need boost and boost = TQ and TQ & 6500rpm =🤯🤭
@carguy3028
@carguy3028 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 6.0 na that I put ported 243 heads on with ported tbss intake and cam. For a street driven truck it’s a lot to handle. I have thought of adding a turbo but I think 500whp is a lot for the street. Maybe I’m just old school, I remember when you had to really build an engine to make 500 at the flywheel now a stock 6.0 with a cam swap will do it. For a street driven car that I wanted to be quick I would go with the stock 6.0 or 6.2, change the cam then a small turbo with about 7lbs of boost. I think that would make the best all around fun car. I go ported heads on an na engine though.
@arthurmelo7460
@arthurmelo7460 4 жыл бұрын
Great job Richard!!! I’d rather go better heads and less boost. And nice shirt by the way!!!!
@lsxtuner6126
@lsxtuner6126 4 жыл бұрын
I built a 377 which is an ls3 with a stock crank. I put my stock ls1 top end on it from my 2004 GTO. Untouched 241 heads, ls6 intake, and stock throttle body. Custom cam and btr .660 lift springs. D1x with 15 psi on E85. I tuned it on the street and it's a lot of fun. Hope to get it to a dyno when things get back to normal to see what the curves look like and how much power it's making. I hope to do heads and a completely different top end next year. I did this simply for budget reasons, but it seems to work a lot better than most would think.
@erichoward8463
@erichoward8463 4 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely somewhere in the middle. Building a bored and stroked 5.3L out to 6.3 liters. I have nice Cam Motion positive supercharger cam, Eagle forged rotating assembly, stock 862 heads which I'm mildly porting along with buffing the chambers and 2"/1.575" valves. On top will be a 2.9L whipple P.D.S.
@flyonbyya
@flyonbyya 4 жыл бұрын
If you’re gonna gap the rings, you might as well do heads n cam
@mxguy2438
@mxguy2438 4 жыл бұрын
My thought on the more boost vs more airflow mods thing, is more boost is going to increase parasitic losses from added heat on the cold side which may limit timing below optimal. It will also add parasitic losses on the exhaust side as backpressure rises relative to boost pressure. So basically, by not upgrading, youre lowering the ultimate limit of the motor and for a given power level, the non modified motor will be pushed closer to its limit and have a smaller margin of safety. It may also not spool the turbo as fast as a modified motor. The modified motor is clearly the more effective choice, but the non modded motor is plenty effective. So the decision on the "best" choice really comes down to thickness of your wallet.
@DBSSTEELER
@DBSSTEELER 4 жыл бұрын
Boost is also stress on engine parts. So building the na combo to make the power you want at the lowest possible boost level is only beneficial.
@kennethpowers8995
@kennethpowers8995 4 жыл бұрын
Boost level really doesn't matter, its power that breaks parts. It doesn't matter if you make 500 HP/TQ on 8psi or 14psi, the stress on the internals will be the same.
@EGGINFOOLS
@EGGINFOOLS 4 жыл бұрын
Cars with bad tuning is the biggest enemy. Not power level or parts
@kennethpowers8995
@kennethpowers8995 4 жыл бұрын
@@EGGINFOOLS well that goes without saying, detonation is obviously going to break things but assuming state of tune is in check your engine internals dont care how much air you force into the intake, only how much power it translates into.
@stepp070106
@stepp070106 4 жыл бұрын
Instead of comparing at the same boost number--- I would like to see both head configurations max out a set of turbos to see how far apart they would end up. Both intercooled of course--- and maybe on some C-16
@brentonk461
@brentonk461 4 жыл бұрын
Want it Fast, & the Most Power, then you do Everything you can.
@ls4.8frank
@ls4.8frank 4 жыл бұрын
Mike's Hard Lemonade with Vodka, good choice Richard! 👍👍👍
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
might be shine
@ls4.8frank
@ls4.8frank 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 true, true... lol. Still a great choice! 👍👍👍
@micmalone6722
@micmalone6722 4 жыл бұрын
Just an awsome and informative video, even with the Mikes hard hic ups lol. Keep the good stuff coming . Im in the middle just want lots of power that won't leave me stranded.
@blue_dream_steam
@blue_dream_steam 4 жыл бұрын
Let the turbo do the work. If it isn't going to break don't fix it
@davidbilliter5619
@davidbilliter5619 Жыл бұрын
My opinion ( everybody has one, lol) is if you are trying to make maximum power ON PUMP GAS , porting makes sense . You will be octane limited , so na hp will help make more power before you limit out on octane. Softening the chambers is important too , while your porting . Again, to help get by the octane limitations . You guys that have easy access to E85 live in a different world than us that live on 91-93 octane . If E was everywhere , and to make 1000 hp , I probably wouldnt waste my time on port work and chamber softening. The whole cam thing comes in too , even though most LS cams are ground to kill dynamic compression from the start . Wide lsas' help kill peak cylinder pressure down low . Overall, its just a whole different world , E85 vs 93 pumpgas. 1000 hp is almost too easy on E85. You have to open a whole bag of tricks to get close to 1000 on 93. My next combo , if I dont damage my 6.2 block going for power on 93, will be a 416 w all the tricks to make na power AND soften the cylinder pressure down low ( mutually exclusive , i know ,to a point . Compromises ) , then shoot for 1000+ on 93 at minimum boost.
@otislopez33
@otislopez33 2 жыл бұрын
Doing my first LS swap in a 86 short bed so going stock for now till I can get it running.. learning as I go need lots of help not a whole lot of cash flow to get it done
@leepederson5254
@leepederson5254 4 жыл бұрын
Want vs cost vs time. If you know what you want, assets the cheapest way to get it, if you have the time it will cost less. If you have the money it will save you time.
@tobyparker8936
@tobyparker8936 7 күн бұрын
It's all about how much money it's not about just the motor if you have a 1000 hp engine you also need a tranmission rear end and suspension that will take that much power
@rongravel4585
@rongravel4585 4 жыл бұрын
I always say. I’m just gona unshroud the valves a lil and just touch up the casting flashing. And I always end up porting the shit out of em. LS’s make tons of power with a lil port work.
@bartpang
@bartpang 4 жыл бұрын
From looking at Richard's tests, they really don't seem to add at whole lot. I mean when you only see a 20-30 hp gain going to rectangle port heads it sure seems easier to just go a little bigger on cam.
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