Indoor waste oil foundry

Harnessing the raw dirty power of waste engine oil and trying to make it a bit more civilized.

[@thegrandpumbaa]

James, You are the reason I love KZbin. Excellent.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Good stuff Paul, cheers mate

[@whatyousaidbud]

12:50 the epitome of "that escalated quickly"

[@0liver0verson9]

This is your most entertaining episode yet mate. I've *never* seen a flue get that hot! Holy crap haha

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@davidmac5092]

Cracking build Big Fella - A shutter-box observation port 👍

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers mate, was some lovely gear you gave me, fire rope was spot on

[@daledigsdownunder]

18:00 I was gut laughing, you were probably thinking fuels of and its so far gone your a spectator. At the same time going this looks so bloody cool it's glowing eveywhere and there is hot embers on my house and then my boss lady is gonig to hang me....... Love your work mate that forge looks tiptop.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

To be fair I'm far enough away from the house that I won't burn it down but all those embers headed straight for her car, that would have gotten me on half rations for a while.

[@RolandWDunn]

Pop that foundry in a chipboard shed. What could possibly go wrong? Love it. 😁

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

It's so rotten it could never burn...

[@garrybeard7718]

Great job mate fantastic idea. Stay safe all. 👍👍👍😂🍺🍺🍺

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers Garry

[@elanman608]

The industrial foundries I have seen don't have a continuous flue. Either the top of the foundry is open and the Chimney starts as a conical hood into a flue of wider diameter than the opening in the top of the furnace or the furnace has a short stub which sits inside a larger flue. Both designs allow air to be drawn up the chimney cooling the gases and secondly it stops the draw of the chimney interfering with the breathing of the furnace. I think it is possible that your chimney is causing such a draw that the flow is exceeding the fans output making it act like a carburettor choke sucking fuel through the gate valve leading to a runaway.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

I like this idea thank you

[@whatyousaidbud]

Water jacket on that chimney ASAP! 😉 Also a spring loaded lever valve to shut off the fuel, held in the 'open' position by a piece of yarn that passes close to the furnace, that way if the flames escape they'll quickly burn through the yarn and shut off the fuel.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Like a dead man's switch, nice idea

[@whatyousaidbud]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 exactly! That way if you trip over and break a leg while rushing back to the shed atleast it stands a chance of not getting worse 😄

[@INCREDIBLETRUCKS]

great set up, way better than when I was melting lead in the garden in a saucepan over a bonfire

[@davelowe1977]

Weld a boss to the first bit of chimney and fit an EGT sensor.

[@bushcraftyste6885]

Smart build that James. 👌I thought the glowing stove pipe was going to melt at one point, haha. Take care pal.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

The wanderer returns! Alright matey?

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

@@bushcraftyste6885 I had no idea mate, that's horrible, all gone?

[@argmentum22]

NOICE- LOL , This episode was brought to you by 'no F*ken trains' Spark arrestor - you should be able to make your own. ;) although as you said probably detritus from previous projects as there isnt much waste other than heat. With regards to the oil feed , one (or maybe a couple) of the people I've seen make waste oil heaters/foundry/smelters have had a drip feed system much like an IV .. one pipe in with an adjustable valve feeding into a chamber with a translucent front so that you can count drips per second then a secondary pipe out to your jetpipe. The reason you might have overfuel is once the system is running the oil is literally sucked into the system - the pressure change pulls it in like sucking on a straw so you'll you'll likely need to close your valve up a bit once your up to a good heat. I still have multiple 'out of date' fire extinguishers you can have ;) you can use them as is or cut them up for projects ::) ( I have so many donated to me for my own projects I'm never going to use). I was going to suggest a slightly taller internal lip but then you put on the rope which seems to have fixed most of the issue with smoke. Cant wait to get back on with my furnace project this year - left it a little late last year with limited time to work on it. :) Hope I have near as much success as you've had.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

I messed around with a drip cup on the heater, it definitely helped for long term running, adjusting for the changing viscosity of the oil and throttling it up and down, honestly for the life of me don't know why I didn't think to fit it on the foundry. Good call! And yes, anything that expands my stockpile of extinguishers is very welcome

[@argmentum22]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 let me know when the best time for dropping them off is , I’m pretty sure I’m not too far away and I can drop you a car load off ;)

[@MJTVideos]

You should make a water jacket around the chimney to cool it and then take the steam created by the water and use it to make some electricity

[@smithbuilt]

I "found" my foundry today, well I knew where it was I just had 30 feet of random stuff infront of it. I like the chimney if anyone walks past a bit drunk there going to feel way worse if that starts moving.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Your foundry is a work of art mate

[@johnbyrne1400]

Hell of a job 👏 and you still have eyebrows

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers mate

[@monkeytonker4637]

That's some thick fir e rope💯👍

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Think I've got 8mm on my wood stoves, this must be 40

[@errolfoster1101]

Another great job maybe put a thermo couple and bring your temp up slowly while reading temp save fuel and less chance of a run away starting with it at its lowest setting and bring it gradually till you can mark settings that are best

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Nice idea mate

[@BensWorkshop]

Peristatic pump? You could also do with a carbon monoxide alarm. Looks "exciting". Well done.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers mate, I'll look at air quality once I've reduced the explosion risks!

[@benspeedschannel888]

Alright butty? Hope you and yours are ok. We’ve all had the dreaded Larger Lurgy again down here 🙈🙈 Love the foundry! Bloody awesome! Far better than the one I built a few years ago. A couple of ideas for you, it might be worth you getting an exhaust gas temperature probe and gauge like the turbo car boys use to fine tune your fuelling, and sticking with things people do to turbo cars, how about water injection in your chimney to cure the heat/fire hazard? (I know water injection is used pre combustion in engines) 👍👍

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Could do an egt probe easily enough, not a bad idea mate. How many times is that now with the lurgy?

[@benspeedschannel888]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 second time now mate, I had it just before Christmas 2020. I haven’t been super ill with it though thankfully, just been like a bad cold but with super achy legs for some weird reason. By far the worst bit is not being able to see the misses, because we still live in separate houses if any of us get it we keep away till we’re negative.

[@GrumpyTim]

That's all pretty awesome - love the lifting gear for the top section, and the shed to house the thing is great, just need to tame the beast a little bit - kind of tricky now you can't see inside to see how it's doing, but you'll come up with a way soon enough. From an idle viewing perspective it's easy to forget that it's not like a wood burning stove - there's a tiny bit more heat involved here!!!

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Yes, just need to rein her in a tad. The lifting gear was fun and the shed is an embarrassment.

[@GrumpyTim]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 I'm sure you can call the shed a prototype for now. Then, if it doesn't need modifying, you can pretty it up with some timber cladding on the outside - not sure if I'd use my usual old engine oil preservative on the timber though, bearing in mind what's going on inside the shed!!!!

[@Sean--]

looking great! red hot chimney lmao

[@forge20]

To resolve the overfuelling issue, change out that gate valve for a globe valve. According to our old pal Bernoulli, Q=VA, flowrate is a function of velocity and area. So as area decreases, velocity increases and flowrate is maintained as a constant. A gate valve is essentially an on/off valve, as soon as the gate is cracked open, velocity is high as area is low, which means that any throttling (which is friction in the flow stream) is only happening right on the lip of the gate. A globe valve has a pin or needle filling a tapered body, so throttling is happening along the surface of the taper and needle - much more surface area for the flow to be in contact with and for friction to act over.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Interesting, I'll have to pause on this for deliberation, something I didn't mention was having filed a notch into the gate when I used this particular valve for the heater.

[@2rueblue]

Peristalsis is the word I think we're looking for buddy

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers bud

[@arwelagrimachinery]

Bit of galv /rusty corrugated sheet would be easy to bend around the courner above

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

If I had any spare I'd patch the holes in my shed roof mate

[@robsadler2869]

Bloody brilliant. And hair raising. Made my multifuel stove flue glow like that once burning... Ahem... A couple of milk containers. How easy is it to get the crucible out? Feels like some way of swinging the lid to one side, as well as lifting, would give more open and better access? All that wasted heat!! Pity you can't channel it safely into the house!

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

I'd puddled fuel in it getting it up to temp then it ran away... Twice. Hopefully I won't be wasting as much in future but valuable stuff innit, the heat. What was in the milk containers?

[@UnhingedHarry]

Could you have a high temperature switch with an electric solenoid valve. Like they used to use on LPG cars. You'd need to position the switch carefully. Then it would be closed when cold, and open when hot.. which would turn the oil on and off. Aircon units will have them too if you find one of those around to pilfer. Might get some scrap copper from it too.

[@julias-shed]

Looks fabulous did get a bit sketchy in the middle there 😮 good to see some furnace content 😀 if you can pick up some cheap, damaged? Plasterboard that would help with flame proofing stuff.... 🙄look forward to seeing how long the pump lasts maybe get some different tubing to try? Would silicone be the stuff to use?

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Getting silicone is a bit of a gamble, it should be fuel proof but I've given up on the stuff now as half the time when I fit it to an engine it swells up and turns porous.

[@julias-shed]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 I understand that, last time I tried to source some I had to find a UK supplier of food grade tubing to actually get silicone. Funnily enough it was a lot more expensive than the china grade stuff 🙄

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

@@julias-shed top tip of the day there, once again cheers Julia

[@2rueblue]

Chestnuts roasting on an open foundry lol good start to the show I'm well impressed by your design buddy, my daughter is doing jewellery production a college so I will no doubt have to come up with something much smaller than your masterpiece I will be looking to nick some of your ideas if that's cool with you. Anyways all the best from Scotland buddy

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Ha, it's funny because I always look at the centrifugal jewelry casting set ups and wonder about scaling them up. The little electric jewelry furnaces look like good value for money to be fair.

[@2rueblue]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 I'm wallets on a hair trigger waiting on the "dad you know how much I love you, but could I please" request I've already got the Anusol cream in the fridge in preparation for the invoice coming.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

@@2rueblue look on bright side mate, diamonds, gold and silver is probably still cheaper than horses!

[@2rueblue]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 spot on brother

[@ProlificInvention]

Peristaltic pump would probably work as well

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

According to the other comments that's the proper name for the dosing pump I was on about, and hooked up to the speed controller like you say should work

[@fredflintstone9702]

Hi really like your channel interesting stuff seems like you have the design for the furnace workable. Only fuel ratio is hard to achieve I think the world is stoichiometric ratio probably not spelt right but you only need it manageable. Old motorbike oil pump e bay!12volt car window motor 12volt on off delay timer £4.50 from China set dose on off. Keep up the good work

[@benedictjones8912]

Amazing - you should put a copper coil and a water pump around the chimney flue, would heat a hot tub in minutes!

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Or point the hose pipe at it and have an instant sauna

[@billhanson4921]

QUALITY BODGE MATE 😁

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers Bill

[@ProlificInvention]

Ebay cheap automotive fuel pump with a PWM speed controller 0-12v might work and would be cheap.

[@Traderjoe]

That setup you made is brilliant! Is it easy to lift a crucible in and out of it?

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

I hope so! Crucible weight gets to be the biggest problem now.

[@xDrDeath78x]

Any way of harnessing that heat mate? You could hear the house, workshop and anything else you like. Quality content as always

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Could probably scrap ally off the stove pipe while doing a copper melt inside

[@jmyd83]

👍

[@robbiecato1078]

have you thought about putting a fan on the wall to keep the chimney cool

[@jomo350350]

are you Leonardo da Vinci Mega Eagle ?😂

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Praise indeed!

[@doOf3r]

That's awesome! How hard would it to be to add a few temp sensors and then get the fuel/air automated to maintain set temps for efficiency and to shutdown if it goes nuts, like a rudimentary ECU.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

It'd be simple to cut out at the top end but this is probably the worst design to automate, too much lag.

[@strongandco]

That was exciting 😄Possibly a chinese diesel heater pump?

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Are they little diaphragm pumps?

[@strongandco]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 no, they are little dosing pumps that use an electromagnetically operated piston to deliver accurate quantities of fuel to a diesel heater that is similar to a jet engine. Not sure of the exact name for the type of pump or heater but the name Chinese diesel heater and Chinese diesel heater pump is so frequently used to describe them that if you do a search using those words you'll get plenty of results.

[@strongandco]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 actually I think they are called pulse metering pumps

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

@@strongandco ok, I've heard them run but not investigated further, sounds like they self regulate pressure in the same way the old facet diaphragm pumps do. Given the varying viscosity of the oil, a suitable pump would be something that has a set volume delivery regardless pressure or viscosity.

[@strongandco]

​@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 I don't think they are designed to be self regulating. The heater has an ECU connected to a remote thermostat/control box and delivery rate is controlled by pump speed. You can control this directly by altering the hz parameter or indirectly by adjusting the thermostat (you can hear the pump slow down when you reduce the target temperature or when target temperature is achieved or speed up when you increase the target temperature). There are only two wires going to the pump so I've always assumed that the pump speed/delivery rate is controlled by varying voltage (electrical control systems are not my thing though so I could easily be wrong)

[@davelowe1977]

Peristaltic pump! What about a needle valve?

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Needle valves dont have the range to cope with thick cold oil and warm runny oil, I tried them several times because they seemed perfect.

[@davelowe1977]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 can you preheat the oil?

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

@@davelowe1977 yes, wouldn't be a huge problem getting the tank up to 20° or something, if I topped it up halfway through a melt it would mess with the fueling. I think a constant delivery pump has the advantage of not needing preheat or a valve but it's definitely worth considering if I don't have any luck with the peristaltic pump.

[@davelowe1977]

@@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006 Another option is to circulate the oil in a loop with a pump then tee off on the discharge side via an adjustable PRV and feed that to the burner. The PRV adjustment becomes the throttle and it automatically regulates the flow independent of the oil viscosity.

[@markemarkpsv1]

First 🎉🎉🎉

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Cheers Mark

[@markemarkpsv1]

Best Monday morning ever, laughed so much. Would it not be possible to run a “fuel rail and injector?” 🤘😎👌m-E-m

[@and_rju]

As a welding project ... cool. Unfortunately You don't know what You did. That's not a snide remark, you're not a chemist. People around start developing cancer and other unpleasent diseases. All toxic substances are released into the air during the combustion process. Waste oil (like from cars and machines) has admixtures. When You burn it there is transformation of enriching additives. Hydrocarbon pyrolysis: combustion of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons is a process that leads to the production of highly carcinogenic compounds. Penetration of metal compounds into the oil: Metal compounds from the metal components of the engine combine with the oil: if it is poured in the wrong place, they begin to penetrate into the soil and groundwater. Used oil contains highly poisonous metals such as lead and cadmium, as well as sulfur compounds, as well as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), including benzo(a)pyrene, with proven carcinogenic properties. In some countries this kind of foundry is prohibited. So, if You or your neighbour have something like this ... well buy a coffin. Very stupid idea to run waste oil foundry. Smart thing is to replace it with wood fireplace.

[@glumpy10]

You're not invited to a lot of parties are you mate? He's not breathing in what comes out the flue and the shed is well ventilated. The rest of your fearmongering is just over the top alarmism. Vehicles burn thousands of Litres of oil a day in their engines and exhaust it and you are getting all pedantic over one little burner that probably wouldn't use as much oil in a month as the local bus service burns in it's engines in a week.

[@and_rju]

@@glumpy10 I'm invited, allways :) He is breathing fumes, the're well mixed with air and in this type of burning there is not a lot to smell - so he is not aware of it because he dont notice it, professional air monitoring device will show that there is poison in air. Airflow around buildings is "funny" - even if wind blows in one direction, air is mixed around building because of turbulences. Yes, car burn some oil, thats why You have technincal inspections allowing car to be used when in the limit, other way You have to fix Your engine. You have filters in exhausts. And car burn vary small amount oil on very big area. Even crowded city center is healthier than this foundry surrounding. Its about contercation of the substance in the volume of air.

[@argmentum22]

@@and_rju can you tell me without reasonable doubt how much oil is burned in this process - specifically with this furnace? I would be inclined to agree with glumpy10 that cars create more toxins including more carcinogenic compounds in the air than this specific oil burner. Sorry guys you cant cut MDF either because the dust is carcinogenic.? Telling someone to go buy a coffin because they are burning waste oil . .F**K I should go tell the local recycling plant to shut down all operations because they are burning waste plastic and creating oils from pyrolysis . Dont want to kill off everyone in this area .

[@and_rju]

@@argmentum22 Recycling plant should have filters and the don't burn plastic. Cutting MDF - in this case you should have mask second thing saw dust dont travel far, everything should stay in and around your workplace. This type of foundry burns few liters a day. I can't tell you exact amount, its impossible but smaller foundry I saw some time ago burned 4-5 liters during most of a day. Compare this to a car burning 200ml oil per 1000km.

[@turboconqueringmegaeagle9006]

Since you recommend burning wood I'll point out we've just had firewood sales regulated here in blighty with claims that a single stove produces more carcinogens than 900 busses, a further total ban on wood stoves has been proposed for 2027. On the flip, I had no problem getting a commercial waste oil burner inspected and certified at work, environment agency lady turned up with a colour chart, saw it was burning clean and certified the installation. I appreciate your concern but should I believe the government of HRH king Charles III was capable of making such a mistake I would want to die of oil smoke poisoning.