Turbosmart TS-1 6466 Turbochargers! Overview and first impressions

[@mattmorrison6958]

Really appreciate all the details I never knew to look for. Especially about the design influencing the compressor map, and the shape of the map potentially influencing spool characteristics. Really cool stuff!

[@workturbo]

You are welcome Matt! I will be covering some of these topics in more detail soon, stay tuned! -Reed

[@propa22]

Definately precision in the form of turbosmart

[@workturbo]

Lots of companies using the same supplier for parts, just re-badging of HPT in this case. The "PTE-esq" looking compressor is most likely being modeled out of the same software as well. We purchase from a supplier who uses this blade design as well...does the job! -Reed

[@GTRliffe]

These videos are right up there in teaching using simple english. i'll be following everything these guys out out!! LOVE IT!

[@workturbo]

Thank you!

[@802Garage]

Looks like a solid high quality turbo. Some decent efficiency islands even if smaller than some others. Predictable or smooth map you could say. Hopefully HPT was a good partner to go with. I think the pricing is about right. A little more than a comparable Borg Warner with a journal bearing, but a bit less than an EFR or G-Series. I appreciate you actually comparing compressor maps.

[@fantaseahorse4696]

Looks Chinese to me

[@802Garage]

@@fantaseahorse4696 A LOT of the big brand turbo components are made in China or nearby nations. China has great CNC machines just like the rest of the developed world. For my money, catch me with a Borg Warner. I'm just saying it looks decent.

[@workturbo]

Yes, many of your turbo parts or whole units will come out of China...Garrett, PTE, HPT, Turbosmart, Borgwarner, MHI, IHI etc...and this turbo is no exception.

[@workturbo]

Time will tell on the quality...from my observation it should be a good unit. -reed

[@ryanhumphrey9037]

THAT☝🏽was an informative video‼️Great presentation, and very well executed👍🏽💯💯💯✊🏽✅

[@lukesisson6525]

Great video. Any preference between the g35-900 or the HPT 6266 on a high flowing sr20ve?

[@workturbo]

Both will be very close in performance, they are some big power makers for their size! -Reed

[@GTRliffe]

you forgot to mention their main difference to others its size! they physically smaller and lighter without hurting power when compared to others just look at the chra compared to others-it's slim and tailored to house what's needed and nothing extra. also they're a allot of tech in the material and coatings, these turbos will age well also, not many brands do that. i'm no sales rep, but i did look in detail at the last gtr festival and i was impressed i always use precision but ill do the switch when TS make a 1500hp turbo

[@workturbo]

The trend of getting the most out of the space is one I will always get behind! Xona, Garrett G Series and now the TS series will surely help with packaging!

[@GTRliffe]

can i ask, im currently making 1000whp using precision 7675gen2 at 40 psi, this turbo desigh is ten years old and im wanting more efficiant power without more spool time..do yo think newly designed turbos are that much better than what i currently have? do you think the turbosmart 7880 will spool faster than my 7675 with a smaller rear housing? i want to continue to make 1000whp again, but would rather make it at 35psi, not 40

[@workturbo]

I would love to discuss options with you. If you are interested, send an email to [e-mail] and tell me more about your engine and build! -Reed

[@theautodidacticman_]

Have you came across any turbos with the T51R mod yet? If yes what’s your opinion on them?

[@workturbo]

I have a video going over all of this soon!-Reed

[@nesmio7378]

Awesome tech video. Very interesting with what config results in what compressor map. Could you go into that a bit more? It was super interesting. Like how blade counts and configs effect turbo characteristics - full vs splitter, trim, compressor housing A/R, ported shroud design, blade height both primary and secondary, blade design such as straight, curved, wavy etc and roughly what it would mean for turbo characteristics and compressor map etc, obviously you can't just blanket statement one change and it's a case where everything blends together for a final result but sort of give pointers of what to generally expect.

[@workturbo]

I will be covering all of these topics in the near future...being a small shop, time is always against me, but I love to educate you guys, and also learn more myself! -Reed

[@nesmio7378]

@@workturbo Cool, looking forward to it. Would also be cool to fleek in some compressor map reading knowledge, not so much what the axis mean and how to read them but more so a practical guide of what to look for depending on setup as in the shape and what that means for your particular setup. I think more or less everyone knows "how to read" it when it comes to PR, flow and RPM but not so much in what might be a good looking map or bad looking map for my application except the numbers lining up with my goals. For example you mentioned a flat choke line would mean more lag whilst a sharply upward curving one would mean good response? I've never personally heard this before and I have difficulty grasping why that would be the case. Would be cool for some knowledge drop as I said, I have a million and one questions after this - not so much the basics but what to do with it afterwards ;)

[@workturbo]

@@nesmio7378 Yes sir, understood! Compressor maps are a hot topic...lots to learn and also lots of mis-information out there about them. This is on my list to go over as well! I am trying hard to brush up on my video skills so I can put the information up on the screen...and be a bit more professional. I am great at turbos...not so great at video! -Reed

[@juanmangerita]

Great video! What is a good responsive turbo for a street use ? About 500hp . Gt3582 ?

[@workturbo]

It would depend on the engine...and your budget! The 3582R cast wheel ball bearing unit will easily support 500+ whp on most healthy 2.2-4.0L modern engines with good response. Newer G series (G25-550), the Xona XR-5757S and others are a better choice for smaller displacements looking for that power level. Larger engine? For Modular Ford's, 4.8 and 5.3 LS the S366 and S369SXE fill the bill quite nicely without breaking the bank! -Reed

[@juanmangerita]

@@workturbo thanks for your response..the engine is a 13B modified it has overlap timing. Are pulsar turbo any good ?

[@workturbo]

@@juanmangerita Very familiar with your application. We had a very good friend with an FD, very mild street port and it made upper 400 whp on a GT3582 cast wheel unit, IIRC it was a 1.06 T4. We went to a 6766 and made mid 500's without much fuss. This was a street car and boost was kept very conservative. I think the 3582 would have made 500, we just never pushed it to its limit. I have had dealings with pulsar, so far so good once we go through and do our QC. I very rarely use "out of the box" turbochargers from any manufacturer...almost everything we do is custom in some way!-Reed

[@juanmangerita]

Thanks again Sir

[@Vtecyo81]

Turbosmart 5862!!!

[@norb231]

How does compare in flow to a HPT turbo or a precision gen 3 same dimensions?

[@workturbo]

TS turbos are made by HPT. The Next Gen PTE is slightly larger. -Reed

[@zazzn]

Do you have any data on the PT 6466? They seem to make 900WHP when really pushed, which i haven't seen any other 6466 make. I know they don't have maps, but do you have any data?

[@workturbo]

Not much data that I can accurately spit out of my brain at the moment, but we have a few good sources that have pushed other 64mm units into that range as well. One of the most under rated compressor wheels in the BorgWarner line up is their 64mm SXE, I will see if I can find that data, but we have made well into the 840 AWHP range with that compressor on a 4G63/EVO build a good while back. I am gearing up for some actual dyno testing of various compressors as we speak...I think you are going to enjoy what content is coming! -Reed

[@A2J_Tim]

Is that a Precision turbo with a turbosmart name on it?

[@workturbo]

The turbo is made by HPT. HPT is the latest venture from Harry Hruska, the founder of PTE. He sold PTE to Wabtec a few years ago...once his non compete ran out, he started HPT. He private labels this turbo to Turbosmart, and possibly a few other vendors as well. It shares virtually nothing with any current PTE turbochargers. -Reed

[@A2J_Tim]

@@workturbo interesting, How do they compare to precision or are they better and if so what makes them better? I have run a precision 6466 ballbearing for 6 years and have pushed it to the limit of its flow on many occasions, its proven itself to me to be very robust, I upgraded to a gen2 6870 a few years ago as I wanted a bit more and its spool characteristics are very similar with a bigger punch. But I am not apposed to switching it up again with some newer tech.

[@funfun8095]

You say "it's going to want to flow quick, but be laggy"... How does that make sense?? If it flows quickly, doesn't that mean, it will spool quickly and be on boost sooner? Kind of confusing.

[@workturbo]

Sorry for the confusing wording...I get a bit excited, plus doing videos in "one take" sometimes I may not finish a whole thought or explanation. Good news, we are about to take my videos to the next level with some real editing and a bit more focus...getting nothing but better content from here on out. Let me clarify. The turbine wheel has a high degree of intake capacity, so it will flow very well, but this does not always correlate into energy being used to actually rotate the assembly. Think of the blade angle and "slip" or "bypass" that takes place before there is enough energy recovery to drive rotation. This is simply high flow, but low energy to drive. Once the exhaust creates enough energy and flow, the wheel will be very efficient and accelerate quickly, providing drive energy with low drive pressure. Hope that makes a bit more sense of my original analysis. FWIW, when applied to the right engine this will be no issue. Thank you for your insight...it will help me with future videos! -Reed

[@funfun8095]

@@workturbo 👍 Do you deal mainly with import( pc, correct term, lol), or deal with real engines, like American V8s, too? hehe Either way, I think the type of fuel would make a big difference, too. Two 78/75s on a 5.3 might sound too big, but use methanol and all is better.

[@workturbo]

@@funfun8095 I started my career with the Buick GN, shop started in 1997 with that market. I got my foot in the door with SSO (super street outlaw) back in the early 2000's with John Urist, Mike Murillo, Chris Derrick Dan Millen...I am the small shop that ran directly up against PTE and Turbonetics back in then. We ran pretty well in Ultra Street with Mark Rogers, and Haley James...quite a few Drag and drive guys...Rich Guido, Eric Yost, Frank Saponaro and a ton of awesome others. I am a little guy...but try to do big things. Dont get me wrong...we have quite a few fast Import customers also, but my main experience is in the 1800+ HP customer. As time goes by, I will add to this channel and fill in most of this, but I have you covered on just about any platform. Total disclaimer, I learn something new every day, and will be the first to say if I was incorrect if any way possible. If I did not find this still interesting and challenging I would be sitting at the lake fishin :) Reed

[@funfun8095]

@@workturbo Good resume! ;)