Turkey Load Pattern Testing: .410, 20ga, and 12 ga Indian Creek, Verdict, Apex, Federal, Boss TSS

Check out the Locked In Crew pattern testing a variety of turkey loads for their set-ups this spring! Shooting loads from Verdict Ammunition, Apex, and Federal, through Indian Creek choke tubes in .410, 20ga, and 12 ga. Some of these patterns may surprise you!

[@juliusjames5577]

I like that you use those targets for making the video. So many KZbinrs use the cheap paper ones and nobody in the viewing audience can see the holes. Thanks for spending the big bucks making the video.

[@lockedin.productions]

We try to help the best we can! Thanks for the feedback!

[@cervus-venator]

Thanks guys this tells me a lot. I'm switching to a Stevens 20ga and TSS this year, but with all of your pattern testing I have a good idea of the how I want to set it up. Thanks!!

[@lockedin.productions]

Awesome! Glad we could help out!

[@kykrazy6050]

The BOSS TOM 7s are WAAAAYYYYY overkill!!!! But a great pattern.

[@davidjosey8491]

I’ve been an Apex man for a few years, it outshoots federals in seemingly every category. Those verdicts were wicked as well. My Beneli sbe3 12 is my pride and joy but seeing what a lot of these 20 gauges are doing really has me thinking. Patterning with some buddys the other day mine was better but not by a whole lot considering the recoil difference

[@lockedin.productions]

The lightweight, smaller profile of the 20 ga is the main reason we have started to run them, especially for turkeys when in a run and gun situation. Also throughout waterfowl as well as turkey season, there has yet to be a situation where we felt like we should have had a 12 ga. I would highly recommend giving a 20 ga a chance if you’re ever in the market for a gun in the near future! Thank you for the watch and feedback! It’s much appreciated

[@eduffy4937]

I love an over under for turkey. Top barrel gets cheapsmack trap loaded #7.5 lead, the bottom gets tss. Quick swutch keeps me from blowing 9bucks if its anywhere under 30yards.

[@-B_G-]

At 20 yds you should go with the apex. It has the most uniform forgiving pattern. Having pellets stacked on top of each other isn’t the “best” pattern unless your shooting paper, turkeys move and you only need 5-10 pellets to be lights out, so the leeway is welcomed if your calling birds to a reasonable distance. At 20 yds you could shoot any low brass load on the market and kill em grave yard dead.

[@eduffy4937]

At 20 yards, why wouldnt you just shoot trap load 7.5s?lol

[@-B_G-]

@@eduffy4937 - bc what if you need to shoot to 40 yards and you have a freaking trap load in the chamber? You can’t press pause and choose a different type of shell. If you read my comment at the end I say exactly what you said

[@kykrazy6050]

If you have a good HUNTING pattern @ 40 yds then you're good to go...only thing to remember is at 20 yds you REALLY need to be tight on his neck.

[@NoMissOutdoors]

Thanks for the vid! Proud to subscribe to y'alls channel!

[@chrisguyjr]

Nice video fellas!

[@austintrader3685]

This is killer👍🏼

[@msb2948]

Good test. I had similar results in all the same gauges except 3 of 4 of my shotguns didn't like Boss, but all three really did well with Verdict, Apex, TSS and for the economical win, Winchester XR. Love to see a longer range test at 40 plus yards. I would love to see you try a waterfowl test with premium shells as well. Ear and eye protection fellows!

[@birhenne6611]

Keys to proper turkey hunting... Expensive shotgun... ✔️ Expensive chokes... ✔️ Expensive shells... ✔️ Expensive name brand clothes... ✔️ Proper faddy slang... ✔️✔️ Proper shooting techniques and safety precautions...uhh Keep it up fanboys

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

Picking up my 301 next week and need the best 40 to 50 yard combo

[@sheff66666]

I’m trying to find why he changed out the choke. I thought the federal with the stock tube showed great results.

[@cory5785]

Sick video boys...we cant get apex or verdict here in canada. We have been shooting federal tss #7 in 12g and 20g. Fun canadian fact that isnt fun at all....we cant use anything smaller than #7 and any gauge under 20....so the hunt with a 410 is and will always remain a dream for us haha.

[@sdriza]

Just curiosity, but any idea what the rationale is behind those laws?

[@goosegossippodcast3517]

Great work gentleman!

[@kykrazy6050]

Those IC .555 chokes are really working well for a super tight core. I'd like to see yall try IC .562 & .570 chokes with the Verdict load.

[@lockedin.productions]

We can try to make something like that happen in a future video!

[@heathalford4721]

Good video. I have the stevens 410 as well mine likes the Wilson’s custom loads #10s and a Jebs XX full choke I had 50 plus pellets in a 2x3 oval at 30 yards

[@lockedin.productions]

Awesome! Good luck this season!

[@heathalford4721]

@@lockedin.productions thanks and you too. They may be out for this season but if you get a chance check out the Wilson’s custom loads. They are good shells

[@tombielecki160]

Everybody goes down range together. Everybody walks back to the shooting line together. Nobody sits on the shooting bench with his weapon, flipping shells, while others are downrange with the targets.

[@NoMissOutdoors]

Stick with whatcha got!

[@rickvann3489]

One you hold the shotgun not the vise... terrible way to sight in

[@rogerscott9526]

Try viper ammunition 9.5 and 10. Heard they're pretty good

[@kevinrich9471]

Don’t understand “you want more of a challenge” statement in comparing the 20 to the 410?

[@ridgerunner6211]

Try some of Wilson’s custom loads , Burgess Creek , Rouge as well good luck guys

[@tylerjennings2834]

On that elite 3 12 gauge. On there websites it shows two guns. Was wondering if its the 3.5 inch gun or 3 inch.

[@rooster9923]

30 yards and less?? You had a great pattern at 40 yards with the verdict ammo. Apex was a little more spread but still had pellets in the kill zone so ide say your good buddy. I do recommend a JEBs choke for the 410. I shoot the same Stevens model 301. 410 and I shoot apex and have killed several birds at 35-40 yards that hung up

[@lockedin.productions]

Thanks for the comment, we appreciate the feedback! Maybe we will throw a comparison of the Indian Creek and Jebs up out of the .410 in the near future!

[@rob701TurkeyGuy]

Constriction ?

[@ToddMumpower]

Have you heard anything about using the XX full choke from Jebs for the Savage/Stevens 410? It may help have a tighter pattern out at 40 yards if needed.

[@kykrazy6050]

Did you shoot the Boss 7s with the IC .555?

[@sheff66666]

I picked up a 301. Why did you change from the stock choke? The federal showed great results with it I thought. Just curious.

[@bradcrouse9100]

Try a .385 or .390 Indian Creek or Jebs in those 410s. Seen much better patterns with 9.5 & 10 shot. Same with 20 gauge. Most of the best patterns I’ve seen with 8-10 shot have been with .565-.585 chokes.

[@rob701TurkeyGuy]

I am hung up jebs or Indian creek for my Steven's 410. I have a Jebs now in my Browning BPS

[@matthewaini8096]

What choke do you guys recommend for the verdict tss rounds out of the Franchi affinity 3 20 gauge

[@DEVILDOG1964]

OTHER THAN SIGHTING IN 20 YARDS IS A WASTE OF AMMO!

[@tonybrannen1740]

Why did you choose to not use the Steven’s choke that came with the 410?

[@lockedin.productions]

We had heard so many positive things about the Indian creek combos that we wanted to try that choke with multiple loads. We honestly didn’t pattern it with the factory but its definitely something we could do in the future if you’re interested in seeing what those patterns look like!

[@LukeMelancon37]

@@lockedin.productionsthe factory turkey choke was designed around the federal TSS loads

[@brandonwood7498]

I wonder if you can hear bro breathing at 40 yards

[@kykrazy6050]

Dude that shot the M2 says " No tight core" and I'm sorry but that shot was too high-off the backer to give it a fair shake. What I'm seeing is worth adjusting & shootin again.

[@champony6245]

Just an fyi Indian creek chokes arm not designed for the flight control wade food for thought.

[@kykrazy6050]

The new Federal flight control "flex wad" is designed to be used with ported choke tubes.

[@The_cast_frontier]

Do you have any comparison with the choke that came with the 301 since recording this? I’ve seen other videos that had very nice grouping using the stock choke? Also have you still had issues with that ejector leaving shells stuck in the bore?

[@davidbrooks7942]

If your realy looking for a challenge try a crossbow without a blind and nothing but air between you and the turkey.

[@lockedin.productions]

Might have to give that a try!

[@bgdesignandsolutions]

You do realize any shot will work at 20 yards don't you? #9 lead is just as effective as TSS at that distance, plus you get a lot more shot.

[@lockedin.productions]

Agreed they will all kill em dead at 20! Just trying to find the one that gives us the most room for error in case we do have to stretch out on one! Also, there are many more pellets in TSS loads due to the tungsten being denser than lead and allowing for a much smaller shot size and more pellets in the same size payload!

[@bgdesignandsolutions]

@@lockedin.productions #9 lead has more pellets than #9 TSS. Count them. 1 oz lead has 585 pellets. 1 oz TSS has 362. Same size, and at 20 yards lead is a whole lot cheaper. Go with the lead and forget the high cost, especially if you're not gong to shoot over 20-30 yards or so. 1200 fps, 20 yards Energy: Hevishot = 1.2 lbs Pure Lead = 1.1 lbs Chilled Lead 1.0 lbs Tun Matx = .95 lbs Tung Iron .90 lbs Bismuth .8 lbs Not enough to justify the cost in my books. I've shot gallon milk jugs full of water at 50 yards, and there is no difference in penetration. But I just use #5 lead and get plenty good results. 52, 54, 62, 63, 64 yard one shot drops.

[@littlejohnny210]

Those 12 gauge shots were awful! You definitely don't need tss in12 gauge. I'd use longbeard xr #6. Everything else performed well.

[@randyjohnston3985]

Cause your cheap

[@teamflanneloutdoors5631]

301 made in Chy-Na. Hard pass.

[@shanestamball1886]

You kids need to up your game! Stop buying these junk 410 rounds. Load ur own TSS loads #9 3/4oz shooting a Harrington Topper extra full single shot. = on average 170 pellets In a 10" circle at 45yrds. You'll have to get your own load data, but I'm using Winchester primers & some 296 ball powder. And I load up 2 1/2" 3/8oz almost the same way except with a roll crimp and its devastating on pheasants and ducks. My brother the better shot has knocked heads of birds clean every year with my loads

[@joshuaeck2712]

Very cool video. I wish I didn't live in a commie run state so I could order some verdict ammo to try out!!

[@218mitch]

Hahahaha. The words “challenge” and “difficult” DO NOT apply when using that .410 with those chokes and loads.

[@nathanhileman3848]

$20 a shot, no thanks. Once the shell exceeds the price of a Butterball, I'm out.

[@coreytohme9861]

How much do you spend on gas going to and from your hunting spot? How much is your license/tag? We don't hunt because of economy. Also, How many turkeys do you shoot in a year?

[@wayneallen6095]

So FOS

[@boogersnatcher9915]

No eye or ear protection=ZERO validity for anything else. Next video....

[@tattoomike84]

Finally someone said it!!! I am here just to see who else said that, and wow, great way to tech the youth when looking up a 410 unreal!

[@jsloan0423]

Don’t forget your purse on your way out pussy! Nobody wears eye and ear protection when they hunt so what’s the difference? Exactly….

[@nathanhileman3848]

What? Huh?

[@jsloan0423]

Do you wear hearing protection or safety glasses when you hunt? Yeah…I didn’t think so. SMH!!

[@derekyates43]

​@@jsloan0423 I agree but the complainer probably don't hunt

[@kykrazy6050]

Your 20 gauge pattern (Verdict & IC .555) is one of the few combos using that choke that I've seen that didn't blow the pattern. It looks absolutely beautiful!!!! Needs to come to the left just a tick, but otherwise great pattern.