Turkish footballer Merih Demiral will face consequences for using the 'wolf salute' | DW News

[@muwatallis]

The Grey Wolf symbol is a thousands years old symbol of all Turkic people including Gagauz, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Turkmens and so on, not just the Turks. It has nothing to do with extremism or ultra-nationalism. It's just a bunch of Germans imagining every other nation has "The German Concept" of ultra nationalism and punishing Turks for that. UEFA fighting the concept of imaginative racism with true racism, lol. Europeans want the Turks to not be proud of being Turks and rather be ashamed of it, which will never ever happen on this plane of existence of life or afterlife.

[@digi3363]

Winning a football match didn't bring them enough Turkish pride? You expect me to believe an ancient symbol isn't being used in a new context, that it's being used the same it was used "thousands of years" ago? You think people aren't aware of how Turkey has treated Kurds or Syrian immigrants? Maybe Merih Demiral believes as you do, maybe he thinks it's just a gesture symbolizing Turkish pride. I doubt that, though.

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@digi3363 When the republic was established we had lots of wolf symbols and logos all around the country, even on the first republican banknotes, even on cigarette packs. Back then there was no far-right no MHP no "ülkücüler", only Atatürk and the Republican People's Party. After a while the wolf was omitted in order to be more inclusive. Today only Petrol Ofisi has the "fire breathing wolf" as its symbol still. Which was also established by Atatürk's initiative. Atatürk himself is often called "the blue eyed grey wolf" or "blue maned gray wolf".

[@oyunbaz7305]

@@digi3363 when shaqiri did national symbol: no problem from matches when belingham did rotch-grabbing: no punishment from matches when tadic did REALLY politic celebration and national symbol: no punishment from matches when turkey did their national amblem: *2 times punishment from matches* true racism dude 👍

[@user-zy7gh1yh5y]

There is no hand gesture symbol in any Turk history. The wolf is a symbol but not the hand gesture. The hand gesture became prominent in the 1990s with the ultra Turkish right.

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@user-zy7gh1yh5y lies. I saw 2 persian style Seljuk drawings already with the hand symbol. Imagine there is more!

[@myndos007]

If the gesture is not banned in Germany how can you punish a player? The State minister calls UEFA and orders an investigation. This is a scandal.

[@NotASeriousMoose]

@@myndos007 who cares if its not banned by Germany, all that matters is the rules of the tournament. And now he got his sentence, no more games for him

[@harrisiskandar8356]

​@@NotASeriousMoosethis proves UEFA a corrupt entity I've suspected this since 2008 Chelsea vs Barcelona. There is prawn behind the rock.

[@tibetatakan]

@@NotASeriousMoose There is no such rule as not being able to make a sign of something that symbolizes your nationality.

[@tibetatakan]

@Qrentius educate me if you know better

[@merimalicina635]

Political signs are not allowed according to UEFA rules. It isn't stated in the rules that the symbol has to be banned in the country beforehead. An Albanian player was banned for two games for singing a natinalist song, same thing

[@starhenna]

Being proud of who you are, doesn’t make you extremist, racist, or far of any side. I understand some Germans and some Europeans especially politicians, like to look at the world from their self righteous hypocritical windows but do all of us a favor. And leave the football alone.

[@gorkemkarakus-fh7yi]

@@skunkqleave the europe now

[@wigosas]

Wolf gesture isn't being proud of who you are

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

​@@wigosas Wolf gesture was there when we had a pact with an actual f***ing pack of wolves. It will not go away just because you wish it so.

[@zayrex1769]

@@wigosasIt kinda is, it is clear that this guys trying to get did of Turkey. I am Belgian and I wanted to see the results of Austria-Turkey match. I was in France when I was checking it and I saw that Austria won. Then I saw at home that Turkey actually won the match. I did a little researchand I clearly understood that if they are banning this symbol they should also ban the eagle in german national team because they represent the same thing.

[@dennishinze9578]

​@@zayrex1769you can't equate the hand gesture with the emblem. The wolf has been a symbol for Turkey in history, but the hand gesture has only been popularised by Turkish fascists in the 1990s. Ask any of the Turkish minorities if they agree that the hand gesture symbolises the Turkish nation.

[@58erkansivas]

İ remember western political statements at world cup in Qatar 😂😂😂

[@FragLord]

That's the point, the European Championship is in Germany. Now they can actually do something about it and Fifa is a different body than UEFA... So your comparison doesn't make any sense.

[@abdullahsahin4651]

​@FragLord the location where it is played does not matter. In the stadium, UEFA rules apply. Not the countries.

[@allieuzainuabideenbah17]

Yh just to prove the one-sided world😂

[@allieuzainuabideenbah17]

Do they remember their actions at the world cup in Qatar. Shame on you hypocrite. Bravo legend dimiral.

[@FragLord]

@@abdullahsahin4651 And who makes the Uefa rules? The countries part of UEFA. So only European countries... FIFA is a corrupt bunch of hypocrits...

[@akifsevindi6043]

UEFA should ban the national flags too. Maybe footballer kicks to ball too hard should be banned being violent.

[@Losantiville]

National Teams?

[@akifsevindi6043]

@@Losantiville flags off nations. Is it hard to understand?

[@akifsevindi6043]

@Qrentius Nowadays, any symbol can be racist or offensive to someone.. As long as they want so. The way the world going now ridiculous.

[@MamiCola3433]

​​@QrentiusThe wolf symbol is not racist. İt is flag of a old Turkish Country. Also in Ergenekon Epic, a wolf leads the way for Turkish people. The wolf symbol is symbol of Turkish. It is not a political or racist symbol.I hope I was able to explain what I wanted to say.

[@NikGit]

We all know that the wolf sign is used from the far right extremists in Turkey called grey wolfs. Now what you are trying to do with these comments is try to convince everybody that even though the sun is on the sky, it's not day but night. It's exactly the same with what the sign of the double head eagle the Albanians are using. Don't try to sell hay here. We don't buy it.

[@burgazada]

This biased anti-Turkish decision proved to us again the truth of the expression: "Even if you forget that you are a Turk, your enemy never forgets!" Thank you Germany!

[@guelleshah3207]

🤌🏻

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

True.

[@hydromic2518]

What enemy?

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@hydromic2518 Enemies are the ones who are still scared of us. We have changed. We work for world peace. Not that we were not working for world peace before (just look at Jerusalem's peace and tolerance under Ottoman rule). But when you are "the other" and if you are strong, they tend to play it safe and tarnish your reputation and then sabotage you. We live it everyday. Russian empire used to do that to us, now it is mostly Europe.

[@guelleshah3207]

@Qrentius Howcome you involve Kurds now?

[@tasbykekerey1203]

Support Merih Demiral from Kazakhstan! 🇹🇷❤️🇰🇿🐺🤘🏼

[@burgazada]

Thank you brother. Kan kardeşlerimiz. Can soydaşlarımız..

[@BalamirOfHailandur]

@@burgazada Tengri biz menen garın daşım!

[@burgazada]

@@BalamirOfHailandur ❤❤❤

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

Sevgiler ve saygılar kardaş.

[@sxe1nuar]

I’ve heard Germany itself has a very deep rooted love for such gestures 🤣

[@yapiciyapici5874]

true that

[@harveydiaz4212]

😂

[@emptyptr9401]

love? No. History? Yes. That why they are very strict on such symbols.

[@kennethadler7380]

Those symbols are litterly banned while 🦃 continu there racism

[@EranDuran]

@@kennethadler7380 Yeah, other players get fine to pay as punishment not ban for 2 matches lmao.

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

The wolf symbol is thousands of years old. Aren't we Turks allowed to have a national animal?

[@southepirote7676]

Apparently, Europe doesn't like Albanian eagle hand gestures and Turkish wolf hand gestures.

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@southepirote7676 Albanian case also doesnt make sense, it is their current flag.

[@PifchoBG]

you are allowed, back home. UEFA is a place for footbol. not for politic. And its not yours. its UEFAs. they are the organizers, they make the rules. you follow

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@PifchoBG national animal symbol for national team players is hardly a political statement. what is the political statement there for god's sake?

[@huseyinkilic8146]

The French take the rooster off their jerseys immediately. Just hypocrisy@@PifchoBG

[@AIbh-gd9zt]

Then let’s talk about the Serbian players holding up three fingers, the Albanians using the Eagle hand gesture. Do you know what they mean and represent?

[@alreadygoated]

Let's also talk about the english who sing about bombs over Germany

[@NotASeriousMoose]

​@@alreadygoatedin a war against fascists. You don't see the irony of your statement?

[@Meteyard97]

@@alreadygoatedwhy? They worked so hard for their reputation in ww2🤷‍♂️ may as well give the people what they want

[@JanBruunAndersen]

I only know this gesture: 🖕

[@MrKobeFuentes]

Turks do it as racism not pride, theres a difference

[@CanYldrm]

You are the center of hypocrisy

[@poppi510]

Exactly how is that hypocrisy? I know that you love this word. But what exactly is hypocritical when he is punished by the UEFA for using a nationalistic gesture? The eagle gesture was also punished by FIFA

[@blademan4043]

If he had the rainbow flag on his sleeve everyone would be so proud of him 😂😂😂😂

[@Azedjigit]

@@blademan4043 even if he has a rainvow tattoo all over his face, they would still hate him, coz he is Turk

[@ComradeCatpurrnicus]

"Violent bigots are the same as those they're bigoted against" do you have any capacity to critically think? Or is it all ignorance and false comparison for you?

[@konmoe121]

​@@AzedjigitNo.

[@Azedjigit]

@@konmoe121 ? U either naive either try to fool me. YES!

[@konmoe121]

@@Azedjigit Turks booing opponents all game and wonder why they have a certain reputation concerning football?

[@kevink3688]

Imagine if Erdogan makes the same gesture when he visits.

[@NotASeriousMoose]

Then fine him, and ban him to enter Germany in the future. Easy.

[@SasunAvedikyan]

@@NotASeriousMoose who ban? Germany???😂😂😂hahahahahahaha

[@u.p.1038]

@@NotASeriousMoose He is just a spectator. Nobody can fine him.

[@atacunlu8003]

He sure will! He is a politician. This is a golden opportunity for him.

[@RedMentalHM66]

🤘🤘🤘🤘🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[@dewanafzal9857]

No body have to learn anything from Germans

[@-RedAnt]

But turkeys love to live in Germany instead of that messed up Erdo country lol

[@kennethadler7380]

Good than leave for Erdogan

[@4040tee]

@@kennethadler7380 when it comes to industry there is much to learn, when it comes to morals there is nothing to learn

[@MegaVishap]

Germans accepted and apologized for the Holocaust, did the Turks recognize the Armenian genocide yet?

[@ahmedshirwac6474]

European double standards at its finest

[@nuribayram6740]

we should remove all political statements from football, including lgbtq and other armbands. Lets keep football just an entertainment sport.

[@Losantiville]

National Teams?

[@shazam992]

sports has always been and always will be associated with political interests. additionally, there's plenty of easy money to make in basketball's FIBA and football's UEFA and FIFA, therefore, plenty of corruption. That's why all the large world countries will always have an upper hand In having success in these tournaments.

[@shazam992]

sports has always been and always will be associated with political interests. additionally, there's plenty of easy money to make in basketball's FIBA and football's UEFA and FIFA, therefore, plenty of corruption. That's why all the large world countries will always have an upper hand In having success in these tournaments.

[@darkprofile]

Then why our national teams play with each other if this sport is not political? Why do you carry your flag and play your national anthem before the match? Don't you aware of your flag and national anthem are political statements too. Not avarege 22 players play on the field. 11 austrian and 11 turkish players played against each other. This is political itself. And letting Turks play national anthem and use flags in stadium and banning Turkish symbol wolf is ridiculous.

[@digi3363]

It's sad that people think BASIC human rights for a marginalized group is political. Not equivalent to extremist groups. Sad!

[@hce2455]

National teams are too Nationalist. UEFA should stop this crime.

[@oyunbaz7305]

@Qrentius dude its turkic salute and it isnt about turkey nationalism. our national animal is wolf btw

[@oyunbaz7305]

@Qrentius and serbia was did their salute and their salute was really politic about serbia and serbian wars but they didnt even get a punishment from matches

[@oyunbaz7305]

@Qrentius y'all racist btw, but we will won this match (netherlands-turkey)

[@hce2455]

@Qrentius why is it racist? What is the meaning of it? I bet you can’t explain. Wolf is a Turkish myth. There are also tales about it. Same figure is used ancient Roman Empire.

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@hce2455 Romans took the wolf mythology after they erased all Etruscans. Etruscans are Asena clan. The last Etruscan speaking ruler was Emperor Claudius. He was also assassinated quickly.

[@hikerwoody182]

total over reaction, he should be allowed to play, this action just escalates a non significant event

[@mericusta1988]

The truth is, they are scared of Turkish success because of the huge minority. So this is just an excuse, it is a sabotage

[@miroslavdusin4325]

Without the huge help from referee in the match with Czechia, Turkey would be already out. So do not complain.

[@wrenchax]

Thank you Germans :) Thank you for making our country more united. Thank you for helping us embrace historical values ​​more. You will see this movement in the hands of thousands of people in the Netherlands match. Even if they are eliminated from the tournament, the national team is the champion in our hearts with its struggle.

[@swagkachu3784]

Thank your turks :) that will help the afd to get to 30%

[@jojoadac9400]

You really not helping your cause buddy

[@dieselvonderdorf6916]

@@swagkachu3784 obvius wat you are :)

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

@@swagkachu3784 AFD posted an advertisement saying "Atatürk would vote for AFD". LMFAO! Did you know that Atatürk's nickname is "blue eyed gray wolf"?

[@subetewomieru]

OK why do french people use gallic rooster symbol on their shirts? This is racist too in this case. Why does a Dutch footballer do a lion gesture and receive no punishment? The gray wolf is national symbol of Turks including other Turkic countries and folks. This symbolism dates back to the Epic of Ergenekon.

[@poppi510]

For explanation. The wolf gesture is seen as a nationalistic gesture used by the far right group the grey wolves. This gesture is forbidden in Austria for example and the grey wolves are considered an extremist group by the German office for the protection of the constitution. UEFAs decision might be hard but it is based on these facts.

[@subetewomieru]

@@poppi510 That group has no power anymore today. Normally we had gray wolf symbol in our first cashes right after the establishment of Turkish republic. Even the logo of "Petrol Ofisi" brand, which is a popular, prominent gasoline brand in Turkiye, is "wolf breating fire". We even export this brand to many countries. Germans had better changing their perception. This is no different than French gallic rooster. Change of perception helps.

[@AliMozafari-wm9zw]

These Germans did the Same Drama in Qatar. Badly Got humiliated and Kicked out of the Stadium by Qataris...

[@ricardopontes7177]

As a Brazilian, this symbol has nothing to do with western concepts of far right, this the head of a wolf the animal symbol of all turks from Kyrgyztan to Turkey.

[@teyyubamirbayov8506]

funny that no one was talking about wolf salute until Merih’s gesture .. wolf has been a totem animal of all Turkic people for thousands of years , and wolf salute was used to demonstrate solidarity of Turkic people from Yakutia to the Balkans. if some nationalists group using it for hype doesn’t mean it should be banned .. now if some far-right French nationalists choose a gallic rooster 🐔 as their symbol, does it mean that rooster should be banned too?

[@hydromic2518]

This true but I think Demiral should have specifically said it has nothing to do with the far right group being mentioned. Just to make things clear to everyone

[@Monat_Lakshmi]

​@@hydromic2518he did say

[@hydromic2518]

@@Monat_Lakshmi oh well I really don’t get why everyone is getting so upset over this

[@teyyubamirbayov8506]

@@hydromic2518 exactly what he did in the post-match press-conference… nevertheless german /austrian media and their governments stirred up hysteria over this incident…

[@josenino7140]

Football was already politicize when they allow the mandatory rainbow acceptance.

[@SyGiba27]

If the Turkish national team passes the quarterfinals , the opponent will most likely be England and it is a great loss for TR not to have a good defender and also a striker. It is a clear conspiracy because it could have been just a warning, a suspended penalty or a fine, but Uefa did this to block Turkeys path in Euros. In fact, the man is not an extreme racist or anything, if he was, he wouldn't be married to a Swiss woman.

[@Ergechobby]

I doubt that England will not make it :/

[@balam1r]

exactly

[@joexavier4070]

Actually she is from kosavo

[@SpectruMetaL]

Naz.s talking about racism. Cool. This sign is directly related with all Turks. Not a political sign. Im not a religious or nationalist person and living in Turkiye but even me using this sign in special national days and events. Its like a flag. Check Gokturks flag then maybe you can understand this sign.

[@crispycrimps865]

This is called the quiet coyote for kids in America.

[@onedayagogo]

to me, it looks more like a horned ostrich or something than any kind of wolf. maybe it's a giraffe... 🦒

[@notflyingk]

this isnt copa américa though, its euro 2024

[@Broken_Guy]

Its actually the silent fox and is also common in Germany schools

[@Ferro-ch9ro]

In my opinion, banning or issuing a fine to the footballer would be unjust. Before the nationalist party began using the hand gesture, it had already been used by people. The same gesture has been used by Turks in other countries, such as Azerbaijan, Iran and so on. The wolf symbol was also used in old Turkish flags in history. They should not associate everyone who display a hand gesture with the political far-right party.

[@JSF1571]

It was popularized by the fascist party in the '90s, before that no one knew about it nor used it lol

[@darkprofile]

@@JSF1571 After 2000's that sign spreads all country. And all people can use it now. In last elections Social Democrat Opposition Party's candidate Kemal Kilicdaroglu made it too. So wolf sign is symbol of Turkic Nations not only Turkish people. And it is above politics it is mythological.

[@Ferro-ch9ro]

@@JSF1571 The nationalist political party did not invent or create the hand gesture. The fact that it was used before them. And, it is still used by others and not only by their voters.

[@aleccisco]

"Grey Wolf" is the name of the book by English Author and former Sargeant H.C. Armstrong wriiten in 1935 to deamonize Mustafa Kemal. Boy and Girl Scouts in Turkey are called baby wolves. One of the first cigarette brands in 1930s Turkey was "Grey Wolf". The first Turkish Lira printed in 1927 has a picture of a wolf. The logo of the Turkish oil distribution company Petrol Ofisi is a wolf, founded in 1945. Communist Poet Nazim Hikmet mentions Mustafa Kemal in his poems as a "blond wolf". Alleged Faschist Footballer Merih is married to a Swiss National Heidi. It is believed that wolves helped Turkish tribes in their journey from Central Asia to Europe, hence the symbol not a slur. Wolf is also a symbol in Azerbaijan and other Turkic countries.Anti-Imperialist Turkish Republic uses wolf as symbol and coat of arms as well.

[@Justimur0]

The issue is definitely not about football, the issue is that Turkey has good relations with Russia, Turkey is in favor of Palestine, Turkey protects traditions and rejects left liberalism. It is not a good option for Europe to confront the Turks at a time when the right wing is on the rise.

[@weplo1597]

@Qrentius They look turkic lmao. They are oghuz turks

[@imneverwrong5600]

@Qrentius I think you're confusing traditions with race/ethnicity lol.

[@imneverwrong5600]

@@weplo1597 Turkish people dont look asian what are u talking about?

[@weplo1597]

@@imneverwrong5600 They do. Phenotypes has a few central asian genetics far different than european, armenian and arabs. It's been confirmed that almost every Turkish people excluding other ethnicities has turkic dna. Asia is a huge continent btw not only japan and korea.

[@imneverwrong5600]

@@weplo1597 I'm one of those people ur talking about ur right I had 2% siberian but guess what? when I'm 90% greek and balkan it doesnt show in the slightest.

[@kirlisakaall]

Congratulations to Spanish national team they played great against germans and Congrats to the refree not giving the penalty to germans was like justice 👏🏻

[@cbboxing8777]

For you information this "Wolf Salute" is not far right gesture it is far back in Turkish history it has nothing to do with far right or left. but ı know you dont want to think that way but you can do your research.

[@saraghovsepian5312]

Yes far back in history when you committed the Armenian Genocide. As a Turk, i think you should be wary of going far back in Turkish history as you will open books you want to keep closed 😉

[@cbboxing8777]

@@saraghovsepian5312 you want to talk about history? Take a look at yours if you want. Lets see what bombs and war crimes that you committed. two faced words.

[@Ambrosia-]

@@saraghovsepian5312 you are not Turk so don't say you are turk you don't know this symbol comes from Central asia

[@DianeCooperTW]

You put nations to fight one another and then act shocked when nationalists and patriotic gestures are made

[@flost8202]

They are literally fascists

[@BC-yb1mq]

@@DianeCooperTW so true...

[@Vaiboooooo]

Ultranationalistic and patriotic are two different things I'm afraid

[@Skeletomania]

Don't confuse patriotism with nationalism

[@Flugs0]

you don't know what the grey wolfs are, do you?

[@konmoe121]

Imagine being ultranationalist but not live in your beloved country.

[@bonaku20]

🤣🤣...

[@RedMentalHM66]

🤘🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@OG.Studios.]

🐺🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@OG.Studios.]

everywhere where we set foot is our country whatsup 😂🤘🐺🐺🐺🐺

[@AlAl-en9ce]

@@OG.Studios.Then you’ll have a faith similar to a rabid wolf… not a good faith

[@jineeshpr]

Cry babies. They did the same during Qatar world cup. Just chill and watch football

[@bellerophon5566]

Yes, because Qatar used slave labor and hundreds died building these stadiums. Your president changed the name of his country because of some bird (inferiority complex). Do you really wanna bring the term "cry-baby" here? lol

[@OsbornsConcise]

@@bellerophon5566in fact, the bird was named after the country (Turkey), and not the other way around. Similarly, The same bird is called Hindi in many other languages, but named after India.

[@TTTT-sj3vz]

@@bellerophon5566 because Europe doesn't do the same look at the news in Italy where indians are treated as slaves they let them die without even calling the ambulance and no one is criticizing them

[@bellerophon5566]

@@OsbornsConcise I know, Turks were referenced in western texts long before a European first saw a turkey in the Americas. It has a different name in every language and most of them come from a nation. My theory is that it was given different names in different countries because of the trader that introduced them. Nevertheless, changing the name of your country because a bird is named like it in a different language shows an inferiority complex.

[@appax11]

@@bellerophon5566 just so you know Atatürk changed our country's name to Türkiye not Turkey. Also turkey means the bird in only England, America etc. Other european countries have different terms for the bird. So our president didnt change the name to Turkey but to Turkiye and "Turkey" was only used for international campaign.

[@walterramirobeckmannvaca3309]

What would Erdogan do if some player would show a sign of the Kurds or Armenians, he would not be pleased

[@kinboon3138]

Base on the above, Germany has not ban the group nor in war with.

[@RedMentalHM66]

Thats not far right Even the old Turkic ancestor dıd that there is a lot of picture every person in Turkey does it keep crying

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

It is our national animal and a symbol of unity within the Turkic world. Europe is persecuting a thousands of years old symbol (even the flag of Göktürk empire) is shameful.

[@batuhankays4244]

Im an anti-erdogan turk but since when national animal of a country disturb others? France litterally has rooster in their jersey. Albanians dutch does their natioanl animal gesture with their hands.

[@TurquazCannabiz]

🇹🇷🐺🤘

[@machelvet9594]

At the FIFA world cup in 2018 both Xhaka and Shaqiri did the Albanian eagle. They were both fined ($10'000.-) by FIFA for that.

[@EmreYazgin]

So true..UEFA acts according to what lobby you are in.

[@oyunbaz7305]

i said it, and ILL SAY again, *true racism*

[@pachho808]

Demiral gets a ban for this but Bellingham gets off free for his innapropriate gesture… double standards are rough

[@Nick24733]

Maybe he was just a big 1998 WCW fan?

[@Blodhelm]

Or AJ Styles and the OC, too sweet.

[@i-qwery]

Wolf is the symbol of the turkic-altaic nations, here in Mongolia we also use this symbol to represent our historical roots. I don't think this symbol should somehow represent racism.

[@poppi510]

The grey wolves are considered an extremist group in several European countries. Even if you don’t mean it that way it is at least controversial

[@i-qwery]

@@poppi510 so it should affect to us also? It is the representation of our history and culture, at least who we are.

[@MustafaKalafat]

What will be next? Banning cross sign making?

[@ELfrancobar]

And Mbappe with his statement to vote?

[@cevdetaytekin5591]

Thats not political at all

[@mifbelle1696]

Germany is in chaos. I should introduce them my Indian Zen peace sign.

[@oguzhanmall1482]

I am a Turk and I think the best response to this penalty is the Turkish team's decision to withdraw from the championship. We are making a mistake by playing against the Netherlands.

[@zayrex1769]

That is what they want Turkey to do.

[@Fireshot500]

The Netherlands made you "withdraw", bye.

[@NikGit]

UEFA Made a mistake allowing two Asian countries (Turkey and Israel) to participate in European Football Championship. You should play for the Asian Cup.

[@zayrex1769]

@@NikGit Yes I think same goes for Greece.

[@NikGit]

Back to school. And do your homework. The word Europe comes from the Greek word Eυρώπη. See you next year if you pass the exams.

[@KevMagyar]

I have nothing against the gay people but I am deeply offended by Uefa's shoving the gay, lgbtq stuff down our throats all the time. Who is gonna ban Uefa?

[@MushramboMu]

I agree, Japan and Korea spread Worldwide their lgbtq stuff via kids/teen shows( for example pokemon )and strangely many of those end up becoming part of lgbtq

[@Dont.trust.anybody]

This is as absurd as banning someone for pointing to their flag on their jersey!

[@gluffoful]

Ultranationalist, far-right, Turks in Germany who love Erdogan and are so extremely proud of being Turkish: why don't you move to - oh I don't know - Turkey?

[@TuAFFalcon]

It's how they are.

[@RedMentalHM66]

This is symbol of Turks not far right

[@RedMentalHM66]

Everybody uses it in my country

[@CenkBalcioglu68]

@@RedMentalHM66 Equivalent of the Nazism's swastika is the grey wolf symbol in the Turkish faschists.

[@OG.Studios.]

its Türkiye

[@rebeccamensah8039]

Bull... they lost the game, and now all these are coming out ..... get over yourselves is a game ..

[@shahzadamir3751]

German channel, hosts and reporters are majority Indians 😊. Good to see they don't shout and scream like their colleagues from ABP and zee news etc 😅

[@ahmedmustafa8166]

I salute the German interior minister with gesture from Jude Bellingham 😂

[@cevdetaytekin5591]

A perfect example of Crusade anno 2024. The Cross attacking the Cresent Moon. They still haven't digested the loss they suffered at the hands of my ancestors.

[@Ambrosia-]

don't confuse it's Turkic nothing to do with arab religion, even cresent MOON IS TURKIC

[@MasterOfWarLordOfPeace]

FYI it isnt the moon that makes the crescent shape, it is a solar eclipse. Crescent moon never goes past the middle vertical line, our crescent always does. There is a red moon in front of the white sun. You dont easily notice that is the design because the flag is also the same color as the moon in Türkiye, Pakistan etc flags. The solar eclipse and venus(seher yıldızı) was also found in Göbeklitepe, Sümerian artefacts, and many more places.

[@LaraCookie5]

We’re proud of Merih and we we will always be! He’s a hero to us now.

[@felixchavez-quezada1764]

Politics ruin sports

[@umutyamaan]

This is not politics, go and read some books, this has represented Turkishness since before Christ.

[@fabianelsen3716]

​@@umutyamaanand as we all know "turkishness" isn't a political concept at all. Nation-states and nationalities are a completely natural thing after all.. Come on man. You have to be kidding. Right?

[@enbo1728]

@@umutyamaan , i read more books than you, so i know the first definite references to the Turks was Chinese /as Tujue, which referred to the Göktürks/ from 6th century. First reference to Turchia, meaning "the land of the Turks", had begun to be used for Anatolia by 12th century's. All other is fairy tails. Am speaking only about proved facts. Soo what you say its simple lie, cuz there is not a single reference to the Turks BEFORE CHRIST. Not even 1 /one/.

[@felipe-vibor]

They've already ruined the Olympics

[@umutyamaan]

@@felipe-vibor It's like what happens when the Austrians lose 2-1 and are eliminated from the tournament. 🤣

[@AnotherMartinez]

The sad state of current affairs in Germany … making a big deal out of nothing while the trains fail to work

[@poppi510]

UEFA isn’t Germany. In France that would be even a crime

[@Awaan123]

This is a ridiculous ban

[@ytn00b3]

Germany should also ban Japanese team as well, they're waving Rising Sun war flag all the time.

[@MarceloVolcato]

Japan is not playing on Euro 24 for obvious reasons, But I feel You won't understand them.

[@ytn00b3]

@@MarceloVolcato Obviously I wasn't referring to Euro24, Germany and Europe were sensitive towards these ultranationalistic movement and yet they turn blind eyes on Asian ultranationalism. I don't have prob with nationalism if this was within their own country but doing it in foreign country is not right especially during sporting events when it should have been harmony and respects.

[@doorajaro]

Thank you Netherlands for showing some extrimist turks their place. Bravo!

[@alreadygoated]

Turkey is a beatiful country. I'm showing solidarity with every turk as a german who gets discriminated since years by german politcans🇹🇷🇩🇪

[@BC-yb1mq]

I am Turkish and love Germany and German culture ❤ and the language

[@123polizei-w7c]

​@@BC-yb1mqim german and love turkish culture. Very kind people. Im not allowed to be proud of my ancestors by the the left regime

[@BC-yb1mq]

@@123polizei-w7c Such perfection in thinking... BMW M3 CSL... Just that is enough reason... The safety in football style is the best... Rammstein... and the beautiful people ❤️

[@konmoe121]

​@@123polizei-w7cYou need allowance from your government?

[@alreadygoated]

@@BC-yb1mq it's fascinating to me that the ottoman empire survived for so long that they even existed while the invention of photography. The architecture and cuisine is one of my favorites

[@asena5485]

Banning a national symbol is very racist! Then ban all the country flags! Ban national teams! Ban all of these matches! What is the point of having a national team if it is not going to be "national"?

[@TravelPhone-j7r]

I have no problem with nationalism, I think all countries should be nationalist & patriotic, but they need to stick to living in their own countries too, that they love so much.

[@realandimaginedxyz]

People who are ultranationalistic, and those that tend to emigrate are not the same people though... or are you suggesting anyone from a nation speaks for the whole nation?

[@konmoe121]

Word, how can you act like you love your country so much but live abroad??

[@ege_027]

You are right about that. However, I think its not about Melih Demiral. I dont care who it is or where he lives either. Besides who it is, everyone can use this as it represent Turkish culture and history.

[@TTTT-sj3vz]

demiral is a footballer player and could care less about Germany

[@TravelPhone-j7r]

@@realandimaginedxyz this is only true for some, some migrate because they are more in turn with Western values, often they are scientists or artists, but there's still plenty more who migrate simply for money or something more sinister, who refuse to change their ways, & take over whole areas & then build communities where they are a law onto themselves. I am not talking about Turks, but mass migration in general, particularly those from certain countries.

[@songasalimsaleh1035]

I hear antisemitic 😂😂😂😂😂 Germany can't stop 🛑 amusing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cursedbeats9934]

how to Turk 101 : 1. Demand respect from everyone 2. Disrespect everyone else.

[@Flugs0]

goes for the whole middle east really

[@KKPR533]

Goes for the entiee M community people

[@GothPaoki]

That's like blaming all Europeans for colonialism while 6-7 countries out of nearly 50 did it. Both happen and both are ignorant perceptions.

[@OG.Studios.]

🐺🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@AlAl-en9ce]

@@GothPaokiDon’t drag the past to the present

[@dadanifit]

I love Israel and dislike turks but I support free speech. In my opinion it is wrong to overcensor these things.

[@outback109]

Turkey...such an appropriate name.

[@bulentkarakis]

Sounds like your loved mum had a boyfriend. Get over with your anger.

[@albatros12]

​@@bulentkarakis Ok Vladolf

[@doorajaro]

@@outback109 😁😁😁

[@melihsinantemel359]

It's Turkiye, not Turkey.

[@u.p.1038]

@@melihsinantemel359 No it is not. No country decides how it is called in a foreign language. Thats not how it works.

[@marukomarko4560]

Germany's team made political gestures during the Qatar World Cup match but they weren't punished.

[@Ambrosia-]

double standard

[@ordafles5360]

Germans love Kurds much more.

[@IrfanKhan-dt7ck]

Because Qatar don't take money from poor only fan peoples . If they touch money it becomes haram😅

[@raffiartinian4527]

There isn't spirit of Sport anymore . Politics and corruption took all over .

[@DerDoMeN]

Maybe that will finally stop people from watching other people running after a round ball like brainless dogs... On can only hope.

[@ocupounbuennombre]

Bro they’re literally playing for national teams. Politics is baked in to what we call international football

[@balegda]

My guy this has been a thing ever since the 1980 euros.

[@raffiartinian4527]

@@balegda Very True .

[@anasvlogsx]

Someone said Freedom of speech and democracy is better in North Korea

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

Come on. The guy is a football player. What do you expect?

[@allienmecaca]

Gotta love the irony in how the Europeans arrogantly decides the meaning of an ancient Turkic symbol which shared by many Turkic communities around the world by thousands of years. I guess they think the fact that they had so much experience with dangerous ideologies and its symbols are giving them the right to do so.

[@doorajaro]

Hopefully, Germany will ban gray wolves just like other countries have done.

[@InterMovies]

How you gonna ban a animal?

[@cevdetaytekin5591]

Good luck MF

[@gorkemkarakus-fh7yi]

I completely agree with you grey wolfs aka. (Ülkücüler) always been violent but in this situation i can say wolf hand gesture wasn’t a symbol of the grey wolfs in this tournament I hope Europe can understand if you look at the view of an turkish person we are the ones that actually getting the target of the hate If this was happened to any other western country us, england, germany, holland etc. Europe will just start propagating how awfully they are and they are the enemy of modern world

[@kamata9216]

Türklerden bukadar korkmanıza gerek yok bu sadece türk ırkını temsil eden bir sembol

[@marisabenson1222]

And people say sport shouldn't be political. Of course it is. Everything where humans are involved is. This why Russians should be barred from international sports including the Olympics.

[@critterjon4061]

They are barred because all their athletes where found to be using steroids

[@thatguy8869]

Interesting to learn about hand gestures that are offensive in one country, but not in another.

[@jenniferchang5313]

You are so double standard.

[@flost8202]

Why?

[@batuhankays4244]

​@@flost8202if demiral banned, entire french team should be banned too cos they have rooster in their jersey and some albanians, dutch, serbian doing their national animal gesture with their hands too.

[@Kerem-mf9oy]

To anyone who doesn't know, that symbol is not only fascist but also racist against all the other minorities they massacred in the past like kurds, greeks, armenians and assyrians.

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Do they even know it's the 4th of July 🔴💀🔵

[@bradleywang289]

Why should a euro event care?

[@diosdelcielo]

Germany talking about racism...😂.... Funny

[@zet99darius87]

Does germany has afd, who the germens protesting

[@123polizei-w7c]

All pro german parties are under investigation by the ruling left regime in berlin

[@muratsevimcok2650]

Whatever they do or however they try hard to stop us going semi finals. We will still succeed

[@naturalianoss]

you guys should win the Euro and all players should show the middle finger all together .

[@AdavidPT]

simply don't allow non-European teams/countries in the Euro. Turkey and England simply don't belong in this tournament.

[@user-yt198]

Troll detected.

[@TravelPhone-j7r]

England is in Europe you plank, its not the EU Football Cup.

[@ForceOfNatureRelaxation]

Like isrealis team😂

[@JustYourRandomTurk]

There’s no way brits can get mad now. I thought they didn’t want to be affiliated with europeans at all and think they’re pure british?

[@TravelPhone-j7r]

@@JustYourRandomTurk Europe & the EU are very different things.... Europe is a contient, that we are always in. I've never heard a Brit say they want no affiliation with Europeans at all.... some voted to say in & some voted to leave, a political Union that was overgroverning it's member states.

[@hamzablanco9204]

Germany will never change

[@fernandoalegria4240]

Vulgar culture.

[@CenkBalcioglu68]

Not a vulgar culture but a vulgar ideology. The fascists of Turkey were influenced by Nazism in the 1930s and 40s. Instead of the swastika, they adopted their own symbol, the Grey Wolf.

[@Yasuo-b5x]

Says the European.

[@bellerophon5566]

@@Yasuo-b5x If you imply that European culture is vulgar, then is it vulgarity that millions of Turks stay in Germany for? Or is it the vastly superior material conditions found in Germany largely because of European culture? Don't reply if you believe it's both.

[@emilmahanen8195]

@@bellerophon5566 Millions of Europeans stay in the americas too, even a way larger portion of the European population 😂

[@vedatuzunlu8869]

İf you want to see vulgar culture,just look at your culture

[@haashaas2508]

THAT IS NOT SYMBOL FOR RIGHT WING!! IT'S A SYMBOL OF ALL TURKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

[@ynwaaiy9640]

We're living in a ridiculous society where a normal national gesture used in celebration becomes illegal. Smh

[@poppi510]

Would you ban a gesture used by the PKK?

[@serkanadguzel7399]

We are not obliged to convince anyone that this symbol belongs to the entire Turkish nation. Also, isn't this tournament for representing nations? We celebrated the victory as this representative symbol. but the European mentality is racist and anti-Turkish We have a proverb Even if you forget that you are a Turk, the enemy will never forget that you are a Turk. Frankly, what we experienced today, we were seen as enemies and we will not forget this. 🇹🇷🐺🤘

[@760HorsePower]

Nahtzi Germany will never win this years world cup

[@fan2hd277]

It is the euro 😂

[@elifelgun9996]

Love my homeland 🇹🇷🇹🇷🤘🤘🐺🐺❤️❤️

[@walterramirobeckmannvaca3309]

This is a consequence of allowing Turkey to play in a european, free, west championship, wrong choice

[@SasunAvedikyan]

🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[@adeelliaqat5899]

May they win this championship 😂😂😂

[@bosnianlady10]

Because the West is free?

[@maximusaugustus6823]

what? Europe is now the new Middle East.

[@YozgyurVatansever]

You are just mad that your trash team lost and Türkiye still in championship 😂

[@aknilcal2484]

Not everyone salutes one another like that in Turkey. You don't see a butcher greeting his customer like that. It is not an entirely agreed-upon general salutation among Turks. Some 4-6% of society votes for a particular nationalistic political party, and only their avid followers are expected to salute one another this way. This particular gesture is usually done to convey solidarity and when challenging the opposition. Merih is a young guy who is understandably full of patriotic feelings. He was wrong to believe he could do that in an international football match played under specific regulations. Merih and his backers must be sorry, as he was arguably the most efficient player against Austria, and he has to miss two matches. That being said, numerous accusations have also involved the German National team. Remember the allegations about racism asserted by İlkay, a German national. I remember similar incidents in the past, too. Should we rush to the conclusions right away? What Merih did was wrong, but he did it because he had been eye-washed by certain people who consider that particular gesture a benign indication of being a Turk. They did not care about the restrictions on such gestures and the consequences of committing this act.

[@newqlar]

If you’re not smart enough to realize how blessed you are at being paid to do what you love and most in your position would dream of - you don’t deserve what you have.

[@4040tee]

saying nothing at all with so many words

[@Klaoloam3864]

He truly represent what is prevalent in amongst his fellow citizens.

[@alparslanerylmaz]

I don't know what it means to describe this symbol, which is a classic for thousands of years, as "far right, extremism, racism". I think it stems from the fact that the German left has been unconditionally supporting a fascist, racist group like the PKK for a long time. They are the only group hostile to this symbol. I hope all the fans will make this symbol in the next match.

[@eliteplier]

So beeing patriotic means far right?

[@ares106]

Since when is the wolf a historical symbol of Türkiye?

[@MrTohawk]

it's the Ergenecon myth. so around 1400ish years

[@ares106]

@@MrTohawk thanks! I was not aware of this.

[@twopenace403]

There is the Ergenekon legend and the Grey Wolf legend (Ashina). It goes back to Gokturk's time 6th century. Although, the symbol and the meaning weren't created for political motivations, it got popularized and used by nationalists around the 90s. I think the political meaning has been changing over time since then. Nowadays, it's more common to use the gesture, hence it does not only belong to ultra-nationalists. He probably did that to connect with those longing for their country as a way to say we are descendends of the same, we are one.

[@usta6348]

since my childhood i knew this, story of ergenekon

[@sorzin2289]

With all the breeds bred to kill wolves to protect herds you'd think they'd hate wolves.

[@19ama3a9]

Next tournament turkey and albania should join without their flag. Without a goal celebration, and no national anthem.

[@susiebaka3388]

Mongolian nationalism 😂

[@odgiiv1]

Why

[@h_h4790]

Stupidity ​@@odgiiv1

[@odgiiv1]

@@h_h4790 what do you mean? Why mongolian? It is turkey

[@CenkBalcioglu68]

You made a racist comment. It was like the response of European fascism to Turkish fascism.

[@umutyamaan]

@@CenkBalcioglu68 Bozkurt sign isn't mean fascism 😃

[@j.z.5678]

Maybe he is a Wrestling fan. Have you ever heard of NWO Wolf Pack?

[@GothPaoki]

The problem in Turkey is Erdogan who openly states he'll be throwing the Greeks into the sea us considered to be very moderate compared to the other nationalists while in every other European country he'd be considered extremely far right.

[@OG.Studios.]

blablabla go play marbles, 🐺🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@tkendirli]

:) Come on it is the EU who wants severe Turkish EEZ rights using Greek claims as battling ram. No Turk will never ever accept that. Zero chance without struggle.

[@Ambrosia-]

Erdogan is not Turkish or Turkic, he's georgian and his wife is just an arab so they don't represent Turk people. Lots of us don't have a problem with greeks

[@troiahektor]

Shaqiri performed the Albanian eagle and did not receive a match penalty. Vlahovic made the Cetnik salute and did not receive a match penalty. Bellingham cupped his balls and received a 1-match penalty and it was suspended. But when Merih performed the gray wolf salute, which is a 2000-year-old Turkish tradition, he was given a 2-match penalty... You have no honor in UEFA and Germany.

[@sigurdofstad5563]

Why not open for fascist salutes as well if this is accepted?

[@omarayoubi7861]

Who said this is accepted? He is facing ban not to mention his own country and government condemned it

[@gorkemkarakus-fh7yi]

⁠@@omarayoubi7861i think turkey didn’t condemned him

[@TurquazCannabiz]

This isnt a fascist salute, not Right wing or any of that nonsense. It is just pure nationalism. The wolf is part of Turkish mythology and no one can do anything about that 🐺🇹🇷🤘🤘🤘

[@hydromic2518]

@@TurquazCannabizthere is a difference between patriotism and nationalism. Nationalism is violent and hateful and was one of the causes of both world wars.

[@asena5485]

Everybody must be free to express their opinions and feelings, otherwise it is fascism.