Turning raids into iron

Have you too wished your iron farm could be both slower and less automatic?

[@whitestonejazz]

Wanna change the thumbnail? There's an experimental image poll in the community channel page: kzbin.info/door/J8CoXrSZPIVF2nl7Hjn1Pgcommunity most voted option is thumbnail as long as I'm alive

[@sabinapauletto]

Hi, you can use the crossbow as fuell

[@rubixpotato1301]

What a wonderful restriction and solution! I especially like the flowchart of item conversion, reminds me of the conversion of stone to glazed terracotta

[@lightning_11]

I always wondered if there was a good way to make "ethical iron farms". The only solution I came up with was a _massive_ zombie farm, which sounded way to tedious to build. I didn't think of this, but it's actually a very decent solution!

[@axialeaa]

interestingly, in bedrock edition, mobs that partake in raids (except ravagers i believe) always have an additional loot table consisting of mainly iron gear and armour, as well as things like emeralds. a raid-based iron farm would be far more efficient over there, if raids didn’t happen to be totally broken lol..

[@1224chrisng]

0:24 yeah, it's really quite fun to watch Etho come up with creative solutions to those constraints. Both of y'all are very inspirational

[@wavejumper3]

I'm playing a survival world where I'm not allowed to use a shield, villager trading, or elytra (when I get there). Makes combat hard again, I can't get later-game items early, and my minecart systems will still be useful! I also said my only transport systems will be boats, saddled pigs, and minecart tracks, but without powered rails (minecart furnaces!). This looks fun, making things the hard/long way can be super fun!

[@empty5013]

elytra really hurt the game tbh we should have got more transport modes like proper speed boosting road blocks (unlike ice blocks which is a bug?? it feels wrong anyway) and better rails, but instead we got elytras which are fast, cheap to use, don't generate interesting infrastructure and let you ignore the geography of your world.

[@Questerer]

I totally agree. elytra ruined the game for me. And although I’m allowed to used it when I like, I prefer to not use it at all.

[@esaedromicroflora1247]

I love the idea of self-restriction for challenge and creative solutions

[@matematikaadit]

In my skyblock world, I'm using ianxofour Copper farm that use zombies reinforcement mechanic to get iron and gold armor. Pretty cheap to build and gives a decent amount of armor especially if you build it really low in the world. Got my first craft of golden apple and hopper from those armor recycling.

[@LemonArson]

Ah cool I do this too! I generally play as a vegetarian both for the restriction and because I'm veggie in real life, but more than that I can only purposefully hurt hostile and/or undead mobs, so no iron golem farms for me either

[@intrepidmixedmedia7939]

Are you able to obtain leather with this restriction? Is killing cows ok?

[@LemonArson]

@@intrepidmixedmedia7939 I can't kill cows, but I'm allowed to use leather if I get some. So a lot of my leather I got from Villages and Bastions. I'm still a little on the fence if bartering should be okay. I feel like it should be fine since the Piglins don't actually kill anything so long as you keep them away from Hoglins, but I'm not sure

[@FarmandSMC]

5:43 Well, actually… a soda can does despawn… it just takes 500 years instead of 5 minutes

[@lucaseastman1877]

I love the aesthetic of the build. This has inspired me to build a boat house of sorts. This is also a pretty cool way of getting iron. I like seeing new farms, even if they're not really necessary. It's awesome that Minecraft allows for so much innovation within its confines.

[@greengargoyle4660]

Further confirmation that (stacking) raid farms are insanely op. Easier access to redstone is kinda nice because witch farms are annoying to make and mining deepslate sucks but the fast xp, infinite totems (effective immunity from most forms of death), and emeralds (easy access to villager trades which are also insanely op) all from the same low effort farm are just too much. Mad props ianxofour for lowering the time and skill requirements for building farms and making them accessible to the average player but this one in particular really breaks the meta. Undoubtedly the best farm in the game.

[@lightning_11]

A ladder smelts 1.5 items, and you get 3 ladders per craft, so one craft smelts 4.5 items. A stick smelts 0.5 items, and you spend 7 sticks per craft, so if you didn't craft, 7 sticks would smelt 4.5 items. Thus, crafting ladders doesn't provide any advantage, other than the fact that you can fit three times the fuel into the furnace. Personally, I use bamboo to make all my sticks, rather than wood, but to each his own.

[@whitestonejazz]

that's a good point. So it looks like there's two things we could optimize. One is smelts per item and the other is smelts per stack. The first optimizes the time spent acquiring the items. The other optimizes convenience when using them. Neat

[@jacksonpercy8044]

0.5 x 7 is 3.5 not 4.5 so crafting ladders gets more smelts per stick, so it's definitel worth crafting them.

[@wattsonexe1681]

Man I doubt you would remember but we had once played on a server together, and i ended up subscribing cause your vids seemed so interesting, keep up the good work man everything you do is super cool 😎

[@gristen]

dont know if you take suggestions but id love to see a video about minecraft thunderstorms and the chances of them spawning skeleton horses. me and my friends played on a public server one time where it was impossible to get everyone to sleep through the night so it would rain and thunder a lot, and there must of been something going on with the chunk our main base was in because skeleton horses would just constantly show up at that base and only at that base. like we could have started a skeleton horse farm with the rates we were getting. ive always been curious to find out exactly what was going on in the code to make the skeleton horse rate explode like that and you seem like the guy that could answer that for me. by the time me and my friends stopped playing on that server we had over 15 skeleton horses, possibly more i stopped counting at some point lol

[@yiannchrst]

This world is very interesting. I am qurious to know what other restrictions you have! We'd definitely watch more of this!

[@billboein]

you could also burn the crossbows to cook some of the iron. 1 bow cooks 1.5 items

[@whitestonejazz]

someone needs to figure out a way to sort out the crossbows/axes automatically. That would be lovely

[@matematikaadit]

@@whitestonejazz Use Allay?

[@wyattbrooks3712]

If youre trying to get more from the axes, you could have a specific direction to toss them from the top where they are collected at the bottom, and toss the trash off in a different direction. It could even be possible to have this run directly into the furnaces.

[@Kitana___]

Wow! This seems innefficient! Awesome!

[@lewismassie]

Not sure of it's a client mod I have but CTRL + click could send the whole stack into the chest rather than double clicking

[@dialog_box]

what's going on with the jittering/flickering in the recording? it's like the whatever software you used accidentally swapped all the odd and even frames or something

[@whitestonejazz]

interesting. this video is the worst its been. not sure what causes it though

[@vrtr1]

you should do a world tour

[@ChainPenguin]

Can you make more videos about this wierd ways to get diferent materials?

[@ChainPenguin]

I saw Ilmango getting slime from pandas. Things like that are cool.

[@hatkidchan_]

I really like your content and your way of showing off stuff (came here after series on designing item encoders), but I noticed that game footage is really choppy, especially in this one; is it just me or something wrong with your setup?

[@whitestonejazz]

I've been wondering too. It doesn't come through choppy at all while I'm playing so it must be either the recording or editing. Will diagnose this week probably

[@wingdingdmetrius8025]

I love this, thanks for the peek into your world. I'm gonna risk being rude and ask if you can stop hehehehehe'ing at every cut tho 😅

[@whitestonejazz]

audio problems are the weekly theme on this channel

[@wChris_]

ladders are actually very inefficient as fuel as 1 ladder burns for 300 ticks (15 seconds) but is made out of 7 sticks which each burn for 100 ticks (5 seconds) so you loose about 40% of efficiency. Planks on the other hand are very efficient as they burn exactly as long as 1 log but you get 4 per log making them 400% efficient!

[@Jake28]

...He's using sticks dropped from witches (from the farm) and from nether woods (which can't be used as fuel by themselves)....

[@whitestonejazz]

When you forget about planks. Wait, but the nether wood planks don't work as fuel. So for nether woods, what's the best craftable legal fuel item?

[@MinecraftLiqid]

but you get 3 ladders for 7 sticks so it is 900/700 efficient which is more than 100%

[@nur-e-amanrefai9038]

There could also be confusion resulting from good ol' bedrock-java parity issues. I believe ladders are much (or used to be much) better on bedrock.

[@nur-e-amanrefai9038]

At the end of the day though, clearly the ideal fuel is jukeboxes.

[@andor_yoko]

Hey! I think you make some great interesting videos. However, I always feel like the sound of your microphone is a bit off. I am no expert, but I feel like too much high frequency is coming through. Maybe you can check the balance or something :)

[@whitestonejazz]

Will do. I actually spent like an extra half hour adjusting the sound settings this time. I'm wondering if I should just hire an audio consultant at this point

[@MrBobwatman]

@@whitestonejazz Honestly, it might just be a matter of setting up some acoustic panels in the room that you're recording in.

[@dylanrafael9174]

Why not use bartering?

[@travesssmalley]

What are the other restrictions you have for this world?

[@whitestonejazz]

In general, I'm trying to follow some design principles from the "permaculture" community. They mostly use their approach for farms and homesteads but as a design science I think it helps with anything creative (I took a class on it a couple years back and have found it useful surprisingly often). Like for an example, another design principle is to use *multifunctionality* wherever possible. So instead of having one villager at the raid farm and some more villagers in a trading hall somewhere else for the armor, I use the villagers in the raid farm as a mini-trading hall (or oppositely, I use my mini-trading hall to start raids). It's amost like if you made a systematic process for common sense

[@AkiSan0]

whats the issue with your mouse?

[@whitestonejazz]

not sure yet but its annoying

[@niemandit]

great video but the jittery UI is kind of irritating to watch

[@whitestonejazz]

that's my bad. I'm working on it

[@brethilnen]

So complicated

[@MISTER__OWL]

People find literally ANY OTHER WAY to play this game besides... just playing it?