Turns Out Prot Paladin IS THE BEST!

War within prot paladin has been through quite a journey and we always pointed out the spec’s problems but it turns out, today, 11.0.5 prot paladin is kind of the best tank :)
Putting all the tanking issues aside, the prot paladin rotation delivers massive amounts of damage on top of some crazy off heals but, it does run out of mana pretty fast (sometimes even more than actual healers) so let’s pack it all up and see why protection paladin is so good now!
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[@jorembo4941]

Yes, buff all tanks please, back to DF level where tanking M+ was real fun

[@txdmsk]

In DF literally almost 100% tanks were DH, you doofus.

[@usaid1234]

@@txdmsk yes at the top top end it was DH, but there was a lot of paladin and prot warrior and druid tanks being way smoother almost any tank could do +14 in s3 and s4

[@vjr6939]

Agree, they screwed tanks (and heals) in this xpac

[@NemXX2]

@@txdmsk I am sure no one is saying for DH's to be OP as they were back then. They no longer have double sigil as well so that isn't happening.

[@scottadavis8086]

@@txdmskwrong. I never played dh in dragon flight. I only played pally and monk. Try again

[@Catdaddy836]

meanwhile brewmaster gets nothing since prepatch

[@MarcelianOnline]

Yep, criminal!

[@dusty0924]

@@MarcelianOnlinelots of things criminal this xpack. Blizz showing it’s paying customers how little they respect them! Can’t fix so many of the bugs, return lost or missing items from launch, fix missing reputations. But they can come out with 90$ mounts! Crazy what this game is becoming.

[@ramones1314]

brewmaster was my choice of tank starting this expansion and after watching my friend burst 3mil dps on prot paladin and end dungeons at 1mil overall and requiring like no healing, i took advantage of the event XP buffs to level a paladin to make that my tank character and at 580il it was doing better than my 615 monk. brewmaster feels like its balanced for the last patch of the expansion, stagger gets DR'd so bad. i understand not wanting players to have 100% but thats not reachable with this gear so let it just actually double so they can have 80% or so

[@Bin_Diesel]

Brewmaster button bloat is too much for a tank sorry.

[@ramones1314]

@@Bin_Diesel they should remove rising sun kick and put that power back into tiger palm or black out kick. it feels like such a needless button. same wuth crane kick, take it out and make keg smash actually do damage again

[@StoicEver]

Was playing it anyway for utility from the launch of the xpac. Was happy some survivability was added.

[@MarcelianOnline]

Same here brother, glad it finally happened!

[@NemXX2]

It didn't get much in survivability though. It was the damage that tilted things.

[@Luxumbra69]

100%​@@NemXX2

[@shadowstrike7026]

I would have to say i like the fact that as a tank myself I like the fact that if my healer in the group does not know what he is doing which i have been in alot of groups when raiding or dungeons at least i can survive by myself i like doing dungeons by myself because there has been alot of new player who need to understand what type of person they are playing also i like running people through dungeons

[@Snakez011587]

Prot pally is my first tank after 19 years. I'm in love

[@Luxumbra69]

Ppal really isn't the strongest tank for the average player. They are almost as prone to 1 shots as BDK these days. If 3 tanks queue up with 2.5k IO id take take a warrior over paladin any day. Also to even think that their block chance is what makes them good is laughably incorrect. What *does* make them good is two immunities, and being able to guarantee a *spell* block via FitL talent for frequent tank busters. It's not infinitely sustainable due to a highly limited mana pool. They didn't really buff ppal survivability all that much from 10.0.2/TWW start-- to imply they did you simply don't understand the changes. There were WoG "buffs" but they coincided with removal/replacement of other talents in the class tree. The reason the meta is the way it is, is because prot paladin *can* live (often, just barely) and does the most damage. When this has been noticed by the top players, of course you see a drastic meta shift. Buff pwar thunderblast damage and reduce spell block CD to 60sec, or spell reflect to 15s and warrior will be the number one tank. It doesn't take much to shift the player base drastically anymore when everyone is willing to reroll FOTM.

[@jasantana]

💯

[@sdfds1973]

well the spell block its quite nice 100%. also the cds are short. druid have alot but not realy when you need to use two of them at the same time

[@Luxumbra69]

@sdfds1973 druid has more frequent CDs and on average they last 20-30% longer than paladin CDs lol

[@Vvladd_]

are you mad? as long as you know your rotation prot pally is the best and easiest tank to play. Druids are worst since they rely so much kn defensive cds and warriors are useless against magic.

[@Luxumbra69]

@@Vvladd_ careful, your hardstuck 3kio is showing

[@Kai-10-]

Great video as always as prot pally main for 15years this was a tuff watch at the start . But in the end I couldn’t agree more

[@MarcelianOnline]

Glad you enjoyed haha :D

[@Nickster292]

Thank you team.

[@MarcelianOnline]

Our pleasure!

[@NemXX2]

I don't agree that there were survivability buffs. I don't know what gets people to say that. The only thing is we can take divine resonance now which increases the uptime of the parry buff a little bit and gives 3 more interrupts. But, we lost 4% haste from seal of alacrity getting removed and not compensated. Survivability is just as bad as it was at launch. There is nothing we actually got from the rework that we didn't already have. We did get the wog buff in a balance patch and that helped. Btw mana can still be a problem. I have to sit down and drink as a pala tank. This isn't sunshine and rainbows, especially in fights you need to dispel. The giga good part is just not the case. This was all the damage. That was what made it meta alongside the utility. It still feels awful to tank with it and it's still possible to "randomly" get globalled. You have to be on the ball. Prot warrior is still easier to play. I agree with buffing all tanks back to dragonflight. Brew will always be bad. They just don't have the tools. Been saying that for multiple xpacs. Also they removed multiple target weapon throw from warrior and that is such a mind boggling decision. Also why doesn't Blood get the Venthyr covenant ability with San'layn? Let's not forget how bad the way mob casting works now making it a pain to groups mobs without silences and grips. Mad decisions that need to be reverted.

[@LATHSPELL70]

This is why people need to listen to good players. Looking at the front page of RIO is out of touch. The best players always pick the best tank even if other tanks can accomplish similar keys. TWW - Prot Pal DF 3/4 - DH DF 2 - Guard DF 1 - PPal SL 3/4 -DK SL 2 - Guard/PPal SL 1 - DH BFA - Prot War (BDK S1) There were tanks in each season that timed within a key level of each of these tanks. All you will see in DF3 for example is DH, but Yoda/Andybrew played Prot paladin in 32s. There’s this strange thought that massively hurts the game: nerf a tank. The game would actually be infinitely better for everyone if Paladins got buffed tomorrow - along with every other tank. People will complain about Brewmaster as well. Equinox is timing massive keys this season even with the dominance of PPal on front page.

[@havtor007]

Fyi in season 1 DF warrior and paladin had the exact same number of weeks being meta.

[@LATHSPELL70]

@ meta is defined by top keys. Warrior was trounced by magic damage and bleeds that DF1 was saturated by. Devout warrior players like Pika, Tattman, etc, all flipped to Prot Paladin even before their first rework. Ironically, TWW would’ve been a warrior meta if not for the Prot pala rework.

[@havtor007]

@LATHSPELL70 They might have flipped I was looking AT the top keys done and meta wise warrior had the EXACT on the number of weeks that season. Also why do people think talent change in the general tree makes a rework? Based on this any changes in the talent tree at all whatsoever is a rework. You have 2 talent points change in the talent tree either on the general tree or spec tree you got a rework.

[@LATHSPELL70]

@@havtor007 I don’t know what you are talking about. The top AV, Temple, Ruby, Nok - every key in Season 1 was timed at a key level or two higher than warrior in DF. The rework completely changed the tree in DF, and in TWW it gave us Uther’s Counsel and Tirion’s Devotion for free. There were massive changes in both sides of our tree in TWW.

[@LATHSPELL70]

@ 6 out of 200 of the top runs in DF S1 were prot warriors. The rest were Paladin.

[@Hagendazed]

Best feedbacks brothers! o7

[@wilfang]

I Wonder if you were maining a prot pally this season you will be saying the same. But I get it I also believe all tanks should be very equal. Love your content thanks for the time you put into this videos.❤❤

[@Basha-o3m]

I can Pull so many packs at once and just immune on prot paladin and they keep attacking me while im immune! Its insane! Not complaining I love it haha

[@Kavaren]

Pretty sure the spell block amount is based on your mastery reduction not the melee shield block

[@helderfonseca9926]

Haven't played for like 3years+, but had to pass here just to see one of my favourite speccs...

[@Exactmanx]

It’s pretty good as a pvp tank as well 😳

[@L0rks]

Thank you :)

[@TheDwarfly]

A warlock walks into a bar and sits down. He orders a glass of beer and starts relaxing, when all of a sudden, a paladin walks in and sits next to him. He turns to look at the warlock and says: 'Hey buddy, conjure me up something to drink,' The warlock raises an eyebrow and looks to the paladin, clearly confused. He set his bottle down and spoke, slowly, and clearly, so as not to confuse the paladin. 'You want me to summon water? Buddy, you've got the wrong person...' With that said, he returned to his drink. However, the paladin spoke up once again. 'Well if you can't conjure me up something to drink, can you at least conjure me up something to eat?' The warlock sighed heavily and set his drink down, turning once again to face the paladin. 'If I can't conjure you something to drink, what makes you think I could conjure you something to eat? You clearly need a mage, now stop bothering me.' The warlock returned to his drink, only to find the paladin nudging his shoulder. 'Oh I'm sorry,' the paladin said mockingly. 'I thought you had something to offer to someone other than yourself.' The warlock smoothly rose from his seat, grabbed his bottle of beer, and swung it hard, smashing the paladin full in the face. The paladin collapsed on the floor amidst a shower of beer, blood, shards of glass, and s***tered pride, groaning in pain. The warlock tossed the broken neck of the bottle on the floor, and smoothed his robes. 'Oh I'm sorry,' he said with a smile. 'I thought you could tank.' Sorry had to do this :)

[@takoyakiorigin3930]

yup! prot pally rn and it's hard af

[@vjr6939]

Agree with this

[@Kieferone]

4:41 lol!

[@Combat-Titan]

I enjoy playing prot paladin but I do feel like if I’m not 100% locked in I’ll take a lot more damage than I should.

[@benw9293]

Same as Dragonflight Season 1, I mained Prot Warrior and they buffed Pala so much I have never been invited in higher M+ keys again after that. I think this kamikaze buffing and nerfing makes the game worse (i still like it a lot 😅)

[@jdeenas]

Buff them with the same utility, doesn’t have to be equal. Just similar, in the sense that I should be able to carry interrupts, heal some, and save party members from mechanics entirely. Just because you can survive doesn’t mean you will be taken, just like in season three of DF where DH could literally lock down large packs of mobs from casting or moving, and ProtPal could shit out 20+avengers shields in an instant and keep kicking for 15 seconds. Unless you have your own group or push your own keys, but even pushing your own keys what ends up happening is the dps are used to said utility and will not use theirs. Even a simple kick they can’t be bothered. That is where the unhealthy part of giving so much to certain tanks ruins the experience for other tanks and mythic+ especially in the pug scene.

[@sharkstaint1373]

prot paladin fantasy is healing , how is warrior/dh supposed to heal ? scream at them ? prot had so much utility but he was squishy and had some lack of damage and was put c tier , tank being good or bad mainly depends on damage and survivability , if you want a tank to compete on the tier rank , it does need to be high on dmg , i mean only 0.1% of the playerbase is affected , people are keen on tier lists , i've seen prot warrior and dh and druids timing 16 , while prot paladin reach 18 , does that mean other tanks are bad ?

[@jdeenas]

@@sharkstaint1373 @ bro, I have all the tanks, I was tanking thirteens in my war 4 weeks ago, and then it got nerfed in dmg, and it was noticeable. I started tanking on my pally and have passed him in IO in no time. My pally shits out dmg, not even a caomparison. I can immune boss abilities and mechanics, I would call them cheesing a little bit, and I can give other people immunities. Save them from dying/rez them and cure poinson’s/make them inmune from them. So you are telling me that they can’t make warrior class fantasy, who is a battle field commander. You think that battlefield leaders can’t rally troops and make them fight through pain or make them do things they thought they never could. You are just arguing in bad faith. In fact if we want to go back into lore the first paladins were taught by Lothar himself how to be paladins What I am proposing is that it should be similar. They could give warriors lust. They could give them an immunity from abilities like BoP because they have a shield and can throw it to allies. They have rally so whatever, it’s not bad, but rally could also have a cleanse affect…I know that all soldiers as in real life should be battle field medic trained to an extent. I am sure that wouldn’t break lore. Again, not all of these should be implemented, but one that should be mandatory, as you have argued in bad faith was warriors can scream and silence mobs or just interrupt which they have, it should have a reverb affect not a silence of school of magic. These casters in current mythic plus do curses/poison/physical. DH’s have sigils so not needed. I think giving every tank that ability will help with pugging. Again you are arguing in bad faith as I said in my first comment that organized groups/pushing your own key doesn’t matter. Those guys push high with anything, but best pugging tanks are those that have the most utility to help the group.

[@jdeenas]

@@sharkstaint1373man you like to argue in bad faith I see. All soldiers are battle field medics. You are telling me a War, who is supposed to be a battle field commander can patch people up in battle or after? Common man, argue in good faith. Since you want to bring in Lore, Lothar himself taught the first Paladins to be paladins. Again, if you can’t think outside the box of how a war can have similar utility to paladin then it’s not even worth having a discourse with you. But I will say, they could just give war lust. I am sure that would do tons for utility. Second wind should have been rez too.

[@sharkstaint1373]

@@jdeenas im not arguing about anything , im stating how the game is , warriors were never supposed to use the light to heal people , the whole concept of warriors are being a frontline sturdy characters , if lothar taught warriors how to be paladins good , but , lothar was not a religious man , the whole concept of paladin healing is the holy light , the light gives them that power , so i suppose you need to fact check before typing this , also yes being a medic holding a shield and a sword in battle screaming at your enemies , what alternative power do you want them to have to heal ? throwing med kits at your allies ? warriors will be warriors , i respect your opinion keep it that way , but wow since vanilla had the same warriors concept , i would agree , warriors need bloodlust 100% , they also have battleshout , lets not talk about warriors now. how in the world do you think now "other tanks" can have offheals too ? dh ? like how lol , the whole fel related story doesn't make 0 sense , they sacrificed their identity for that fel energy , so no self heal , druids can have that , and they already do , its just a bit weak rn , monks can have some chi stuff with offheal , but monk tanks are drunk people not healers , you tell me.

[@jdeenas]

@ I literally said similar not equal. But all tanks should be able to lock down mobs with kicks, not infinitely but how some tanks have it better than others. I am sure that wouldn’t break your class fantasy barrier you keep gate keeping. that right there would make puffing life better for everyone. Again you argue in bad faith, and the one that needs to fact check is you, google would clear your confusion up really fast.

[@crazylazyfaster6123]

Any tank can do +15 right now

[@SkrimpKing]

Yea, in groups where the healer is slacking I run out of mana wayyyy more than them lol.

[@bierdeckelHeinz]

Doesnt matter if the healer is able to keep up or not. Paladin rotation is busted because it wants you to use word of glory but doesnt reduce or remove word of glory's mana cost.

[@Vvladd_]

Then you don't know your class. I jave never ever ran out of mana as prot pally and barely need a healer to heal me. Your rotation is the problem

[@solemvow6281]

Can we just give tanks their tankiness back? Please, I am a 3.1k io tank as a main and all other 5 tanks are at 2500. It feels terrible. They took away our healing, our damage, our tankiness and subsequently ohr threat generation while at the same time making content extra harder and healers heal a lot less.... fine take away my damage but leave the 1 thing I'm good at in a good place.... or at the very least nerf mob damage its ridiculous

[@bierdeckelHeinz]

Currently tanks are actually just "the guy that uses stops, stuns and interrupts a lot."

[@jeremiahbrunkala]

I'm always top interruptor in the group without trying.

[@balazskovacs5753]

I died at 4:47 lol

[@jimmy8080]

I always play prot paladin even when its the worst tank. I just think its fun 🙂

[@txdmsk]

The first few months of ppal this season was NOT fun at all.

[@jimmy8080]

@txdmsk i did still play and loved it in the start, tho im not a high key player so maybe thats why ^^

[@neptune7426]

Meanwhile everyone is flaming tanks in m+ for bad groups

[@txdmsk]

To be fair, almost all tank players are garbage.

[@neptune7426]

@ it’s because tanking properly above +7 takes major dungeon knowledge as opposed to dpsing, which takes maybe less than half of knowledge requirements

[@Trucador15]

I want tanks to be tanks, I don't want them to do high dps. This new focus on making tanks and healers do dps is just not fun for me.

[@wilfang]

Obviously you never tank or heal. This is the reason why there's no tanks or healers in the game and you asking to nerf their damage?.

[@sebastiangomezbotero7765]

I know balancing is a detrimental part of the game but man I wish my FPS didn't drop as hard, this expa I'm playing on a "top spec" PC and is worse than playing on my microwave type pc back in BFA

[@bierdeckelHeinz]

That means your settings are too high. Shadows, effects and DLSS are the settings to knock down first just to see if it can be fixed without especially changing the game's appearance. A microwave can play the game on austerity mode, sure. But that doesnt have a lot to do with how the game behaves at the top end where layers and layers of effects are added on that your old PC never had to even consider.

[@sebastiangomezbotero7765]

@bierdeckelHeinz you are spot on! But tbh it's a payed subscription and I am a bit frustrated that my expensive machine can't run the game properly at max settings like other games.

[@bierdeckelHeinz]

@@sebastiangomezbotero7765 Yeah I have a powerful machine that I only play the game on like a modified level 7 on. I have a feeling a lot of this has to do with the spaghetti code and ancient engine, even though they constantly update both, they're trying to build a modern looking game on the foundation that was built at a time when polygon count was still a thing. Trying to optimize the new stuff while staying compatible with everything that came before cant be the easiest. But yeah I hope they can get the optimization down as well. I feel for them with the difficult parameters but as a consumer its not our responsibility to feel bad for corporate mistakes.

[@willypete5506]

Tesla cyber fox 😎

[@pumpis100]

you guys find a way to complain about everything :D i dont think paladin should be nerfed since people want to push high end content, all rest of the thanks should be buffed up to paladin lvls. same as healers. as you said and wich i agree with groups dps should be the gate keeper for advancing in content. i play dps and also tank as an alt, never have i ever ben flamed for failing key as an dps. tank/healer are always getting all the heat. it should change. its gotten to the point where i dont even do other people keys with my alt tank i only do my keys and i would guess same goes for many players. responsibility for success of the key should fall eaqualy on all party members

[@michamaszkiewicz5696]

I don't understand that buffing of tanks... We talk about mytik +x... Not normal dungeons. That have to be a challange... Ppl now thinking about m+10 like that is normal mode. I saw lot of tanks that solo boss after rest of team died xddd

[@thomasschopflin6317]

I just lol'd HARD at the Ludacris reference 😂

[@usaid1234]

is this after the nerf to their damage or before

[@MarcelianOnline]

Nerf didn't change anything

[@ericsmith2692]

You shut your face on prot paladin being good!! Leave us alone!!

[@3literdieselengine264]

On the way of buffing every other tank. Please also take a look at the healers and buff them. Please make the Holy priests levitate persist through damage and provide a movement bonus, we nearly have no movement ability and we have next to no group healing potential, our renew HoT's heal tanks with around 7mil HP for 140k hp over 15 seconds ffs. Please instead of nerfing every other healer, buff every healer too so they can actually go toe to toe with a Resto shaman

[@No-Name0013]

It should be it, magic warrior that specialises in combat and healing powers, with access to light *cough* magic! *cough*, warrior is just a guy, monk just a guy, death knight okay but they died loser... and demon hunter is actually pretty cool so they can come second but this should always be the case, a warrior should absolutely have to work harder to beat a paladin because you picked a normal warrior not a magical one unlucky, absolutely sick of balance in games like this, I should be able to kick a gnome or goblin over a building as a tauren! 3% difference between a 9ft humonoid bull and a 2ft tech midget is crazy!

[@AB.90]

do you know what's the problem the game it's tell you what's they want you to play not what you want to play and i heat that

[@infernomaster2702]

prot paladin is good IF YOU HAVE a good team, if shit team, it falls over like a wet noodle

[@Vvladd_]

😂😂

[@ct4335]

I’m a 2600 brew main, and it’s ridiculous. If I’m not running my own keys it’s hard to get groups. 10’s aren’t even that hard, it’s nowhere near the highest end of the game, but people look at the leaderboards and won’t invite anything but the OP class… it doesn’t matter that you say things like “it only matters for highest content being played” people are elitist in wow and think their +10 makes them an MDI players, so they can only take the top classes.

[@ondamixtape]

You cried for pal tank buff on several videos then you cry now to nerf it. Never happy wow player. Sadge! Just make it easier (less CD) and buff other tanks. Personaly I did all keys +11 (2 chests) and now I stop wow. Yeah the gap is too big to push keys and that is a real problem. Same for Mythic raid. Very End content is too hard for average players or not enough progressive.

[@stevenm22]

The class has 3 super 4 strong defensive, can out heal the healer on alot of pulls and out dps the dps.....great job blizzard.

[@sharkstaint1373]

out damage the dps ? you proly playing with some handicapped dps players.

[@murrloc1859]

Sorry you lost me here , you want people to comeback or new players to try a nerf game? This is why people quit , instead of using your position to help the less popular you decide to aim the nerf into the popular and fun class

[@Deadneck]

Shame that tanking is to toxic 🥲

[@shakes268]

How so? Because people in groups complain and hate you?

[@Deadneck]

@shakes268 Pretty much this

[@VainEldritch]

04:42 - LOL