TUTORIAL/HOW TO remove and check rocker arms KTM 690 /

[@Xterror15]

Thank you. I realized the flat with hole after it was removed and your the only one to make note of this.

[@PatrickNolan001]

Excellent video. Clarified so much on the 690 rocker arm issue. Thanks for doing this!

[@paul1e]

Gotta check my 690 smc r rocker arms, i'll soon hit 7000km. Great video and thanks for sharing!

[@finophile]

wonderful ... I'm now more confident on this process. Thanks

[@ricecakeFTW]

Very knowledgeable and helpful. I now have confidence to do this myself. Thank you.

[@690ADV]

Really good video, very informative. keep them coming more 690 work

[@DigitalProphet_]

You are a Saint. Thanks for the videos!

[@dznnf7]

Thanks for the great video! I have a '16 701 and find these really interesting.

[@the690shed]

Best year for the 701s if you ask me. Don't let people tell you that these suck. Any Euro III engine (63 or 67 bhp) with the Evo II camshaft and a good tune eats 701s for dinner. All of them. Believe me. ;)

[@skrzatRG]

@@the690shed and why is that ? what is better in first and the only one 701 with "old" engine ?

[@the690shed]

Hey boys and girls, I just forgot to tell you about one thing! Make sure to check that the pins that hold the rollers are correctly secured at both end! Take a screwdriver for exemple and try to push the axle out on on both sides. They tried to make these parts more reliable by making the pins a bit lighter and changed the pining method and the design of the arm (the edge around the pin) but at the end it didn't work quiet well resulting in the pin beeing not correctly secured in. And they become loose with time, and fall in the engine, ending in terrible damages.

[@memeemeen]

Might be a stupid question but can you tig weld the pin and arm to prevent it from coming out. Well i guess the problem is solved now with new set of rocker arm?

[@paul1e]

My 2015 690 smcr has now 15 000km and rocker amrs were in good shape, propably they changed their design 😄👌👍

[@maxmoo4412]

Very helpful, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@weixlbrown6884]

Great video, thanks!

[@roasthunter]

Do you still have the bike? My exhaust one has failed with radial play it’s a 2012 bike and I’ve done over 33k miles on it, it got really hard to start. The intake is not so bad but the bearing is failing and catches a little bit. I’m hoping the replacements last the remainder the life of the bike.

[@Britishshooter]

ALWAYS replace any pre 2015 rocker arms on any 690 no matter what they look like. The pre 2015 rockers fail because the needle rollers move out of the arm because of a fault in the design which was meant to assist preening the rocker around the roller cage ends but they took away too much material. You can see that in this video if you look hard.The 2015 onwards look different if you inspect them, they do not have a deep rebate around the ends of the needle cages and should be stamped 15, or 16 or 17 etc. NEVER risk blowing your engine up for the sake of putting in a £150 set of upgraded rockers. Mine went at 8000 miles on a brand new 2014 ER.

[@the690shed]

100% true

[@felipesalgado8837]

new reference is 75036061144 ?

[@accorsistudios]

YES! I was just going to say this... I always noticed a bit of a noisy clapping sound out of my '09. Not until a valve check did I notice they are loose, a lot of scoring everywhere. It's just not good to have them in there. Such a shame as they are not cheap. But what can we do. Always do things the right way on a bike.

[@richardsimpson3792]

Rockers are £123 EACH for the upgraded slightly less unreliable part!

[@АртемБурнаев]

Please tell me why SAS is being removed? What are the advantages without SAS?

[@ricardopinto1765]

This is a very expensive job to do on a ktm service garage? With no much experience can I do it at home? How much would it cost? Great tutorial

[@deividasvisockas]

Hi, how many kilometers were on the odo when you had to replace rocker arms?

[@itiswhatitis4821]

Hi, thanks for the video. I own a 690R from 2012 and Im afraid my rocker arm system is the 'old' one. I heard there is an improved rocker arm system which doesnt give many problems. Do you now the part number please? Thanks a lot

[@itiswhatitis4821]

75036061144 and 75036060144 I believe

[@MikSane]

The flat should always be up? Never knew that...maybe that is why i have an intermittent clicking when the bike is on the side stand. Can you check my video and let me know what you think it could be???

[@thelist1372]

Awesome video man. English is perfectly understandable. You know of any aftermarket upgraded rockers for these engines? Can't find any here in u.s.

[@the690shed]

Thanks mate, I appreciate, this pushes me to do more videos with me speaking over, it's less time consuming than making comments... There aren't any company making aftermarket rockers (as we speak) for those engines, reason is quiete simple: they are cheap and if you follow the rule to replace them every ~20'000 km / 12'000 miles you are not supposed to have any issues with them. On top of that I would advise people to check them once per year. That's what I do. It only takes an hour with a couple of beers, no big deal...

[@thelist1372]

@@the690shed Right on,just hit 12k and was making sure there wasn't improved version that I could replace with. Though I did hear the design was slightly tweaked in 2015 to improve reliability. Forgot exact details why. Keep the videos coming! Btw that clear clutch cover is beautiful, I'd buy one from you if you ever started to sell them. I thought it was an off shelf piece until I found your Facebook! I love these motors. Absolutely astonishing the power extracted from a 700cc single. More hp that 1700cc Harley vtwin!! Haha

[@gkanai1400]

Do you know if the 701 has fixed the problem with the 2015 and earlier KTM?

[@the690shed]

You mean the 2016 701 with the EURO III engine? The loose pin issue has been fixed yes, but they still wear out, at the pin, resulting in radial play in the roller. 20'000 km max, and check them once per year, my 2cts.

[@JinKazama92]

What year are those rocker arms? I have read that 2015 ones are reliable

[@the690shed]

Yes some people say that, but the fact is that 2015 models also had the same problems, axles/pins (whatever you call them) escaping from the rocker. So I don't know if they had late "14" stamped rocker arms or if 2015 rockers can also be a problem. To be 100% sure, I throw in the bin every rocker arms stamped "14" or "15". As simple as that. fs2.directupload.net/images/150509/b5r2xeaw.jpg www.ktmforums.com/forums/attachments/duke/30042d1429516165-rocker-arms-again-rocker_failure_web.jpg

[@Britishshooter]

Nordikbikes, good point you make. It is essential to check for the new design which is simple to identify just from removing the cam cover. The old design has a rebate around the ends of the rocker cages (see my post above) the new ones do not. Some 2014 rockers (but NEVER actual 2014 bikes) would be OK because engines are stored up to year before assembly. However, to be safe get them stamped 15 onwards, later the better.

[@Britishshooter]

Jim, see my post above and also reply to Nordikbikes .

[@JinKazama92]

so the 2016 rocker is okay? Also have you tried this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnvTi4GCd6-Xp6s Im planning to get a smc but only have 2008 to 2014 around (2008 is cheapest) :'(. If I get brand new i cant eat :(.

[@glenndavis2762]

@@JinKazama92 So, you can stake the old ones as well as the new roller shafts with a center punch to fix the pin from walking sideways?

[@vdwbjorn]

for a top end rebuild. do you have to remove the engine or not ?

[@the690shed]

Yo, I've seen friends + ppl on the internet doing it this way, it's feasible.

[@vdwbjorn]

@@the690shed Ok thx ;)

[@raymanvonmetal8559]

Much appreciated 🤘😎🤘

[@xeeded]

I'm going through throttle wheelie withdrawal. My 2016 ER (18000 km) drove strong on the way to work a couple months ago but at the end of the day it began falling over while I was driving home. I found the roller on my intake rocker looks just like the exhaust rocker at the end of your video. It's sad that these engines can't be trusted and that the valve train sounds like a very loud "sewing machine" :). So I'm about to go hunting for needles and to see if they chewed up my cam - do you think I should tear down the entire engine to be safe with the bearing rollers? The new engine (2019?) has a bit of history now, having been in the Husky 701 since 2017 (I think) - does anyone know if the valve train in the new engine is any better and/or quieter?

[@the690shed]

Hi, what issue did occur? The loose pin issue on the intake rocker arm?

[@xeeded]

@@the690shed I was expecting to have a problem with valve clearances but discovered the intake rocker arm to be flopping around as soon as I pulled the cover. I was so gutted to find the apparently empty bearing race that I walked away from the garage and have left it sitting. I decided to rewatch your (excellent) video - having hoped to never experience such a failure on a 2016 - to inspire me to begin the repair. At this point my concern is with finding all of the shrapnel and potential collateral damage to the camshaft. BTW I think you were struggling to remember the word "shim" where you used "washer".

[@the690shed]

@@xeeded shoot me an email please [e-mail] The KZbin comment section thing is making me crazy this is my 4th attempt, answer got deleted each time.

[@xeeded]

@@the690shed Here's what I found - kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmK2gX6FpL6Wm6c

[@cartaun5276]

Thank you very much

[@stefanie_m466]

on the left shaft, the dot is on the bottom o-o

[@fedeosva]

thank you very much for this video, it is really helpful! One question, does this affect engines up to a certain year? I have a duke 690 MY 2017 and would like to know if it was assembled with the new rocker model ( Exhaust: 75036061144, Intake: 75036060144). Thanks!

[@the690shed]

Hi, All Euro 3 engines are concerned, the problem will never be solved (pin wear ibside the roller).

[@Backhurtsbad]

690 s , including the factory one eat rocker arms like I change my socks lol

[@the690shed]

If you run really little valve play they last a VERY long time.

[@patybitar8604]

Dude can you do me a favour and check the video on my channel to see if it's a rocker arm noise in my ktm duke 690 please?i need your help I've been stuck with the bike for a week and don't know what to do

[@the690shed]

Help yourself by checking them, this is periodic maintenance on these engines, so whether or not you are in doubt, are suspecting faulty rocker arms, or bought it used, you have to check them. This is the purpose of this video btw... Periodic maintenance just like valve clearance, engine oil change, greasing bearings, suspension maintenance etc.

[@mikey7983]

What is wrong with engineers building these ktms. I cant see myself buying one for the reasons of replacing parts after 30000km. Ridiculous.