See Printing In Linux Is Awesome! - Part 3 of Reacting to Linus Tech Tips Linux Challenge

[@ShiroKage009]

People keep misunderstanding Linus's comments. "Accommodation" isn't the same as "do things the same way." A small tutorial upon installation or hints or something like that is accommodation. Doesn't have to work the same way.

[@Matthew-sp5kv]

searching snipping tool and having the correct linux program come up is a perfect example of this.

[@psiah9889]

Yeah... We don't necessarily want it to work exactly like windows... Windows can be jank AF. We just want it to *work*, and to be able to do it without doing a dissertation's worth of research into the platform. It's okay, awesome even, to have the advanced things long term users are used to. That just... Needs to not be the only way.

[@fiddledotgoth]

@@psiah9889 The LTT Linux challenge has been great for bringing a lot of this stuff to light; I've always viewed Linux as a sort of game (like tomb raider or something) where you are rewarded with functionality when you figure out the cryptic and patchy instructions scattered around the internet...

[@justsomeperson5110]

7:45 When Windows when you copy a large file, it just doesn't show up at the destination until it is done. Likewise, when you copy (or compress or uncompress or whatever) a large file or collection of files you get a progress bar. It has become a very informative progress bar that includes the current file it is working on, the transfer rates when operating over a network, etc. And you can just work over the progress bar, or minimize the progress bar, or whatever. It disappears when it is done. So that you know when it is done. It's great! Every effort is made to avoid confusion. (Unlike many many other aspects of Windows ... like trying to change settings, which can get ridiculously confusing.)

[@bar10005]

It both does and doesn't show up - normally it won't show up, as explorer waits with refresh until the operation is over, but if you reenter the location or manually refresh the file will be there, will even list full size, but anything other than explorer won't be able to see the file.

[@AlanDike]

Windows has multithreaded unzipping... winzip is MUCH faster on windows than using gunzip on archives that have a bunch of files vs. 1 large file...

[@dextrodemon]

yeah but when you download things it has a temporary file, so it's not some like foreign concept. most things in windows, 7zip for example, also unzips to a temporary file and then moves it to the directory. so that file is somewhere, just not in the directory you're looking at.

[@garlottos]

Using unzip or p7zip on Linux gives me progress in the terminal, still not for cp though

[@Jasruler]

I didn't realize this until around 40 minutes in and the subject came up, but you did EXACTLY what an excellent ambassador for the Linux community should do: when something in the LTT video wasn't right, you took the time to show/explain how to do it. You didn't make fun, you didn't say "HE SHULD GOOGLZ IT!111!" You gave helpful level-headed advice. Subscribed. You didn't a great job with this video, and the work you did with your discord scenes really paid off. Now you're all set to get into doing K-Pop reactions and rack up 100k views a week! :D

[@knife1406]

Also I want to point out, since plasma had "snip" as an alias for his native tool, in Cinnamon it has almost all the usual windows keywords bring up its native alternatives so if I type "microsoft" it brings up the libre office suite, if I type "word" it brings up librewriter, if I type task manager it brings up system monitor and if I type "paint" it brings up drawing and gimp. This is such such suchhhh a nice feature for people like me who have recently switched that I can't thank them enough. It lets me both be able to quickly find what I'm looking for and learn the names of the foss alternatives. Such a great feature that when a DE doesnt have it, it just feels off lol, it was one of the big reasons I decided to choose cinnamon as my DE when I was testing out a few different ones.

[@galactustales]

Its the tag system on the .desktop files.. The search utility should parse the tag

[@maoschanz4665]

As the developer of Drawing i'm happy to read this, since it's 100% intentional, although i initially did it for appcenters' users searching for a clone of paint to install

[@galactustales]

@@maoschanz4665 Drawing is amazing.. My cousin has only one issue, there is no win7 ms-paint layout clone. My sister has difficulty following her textbook's guides.. (Textbook teaches ms-paint) Will it be possible to add windows 7 paint layout?

[@Goldtoise]

Unfortunately on Mint 20.2 it doesn't seem to have the "snipping tool" tag for the screenshot utility.

[@experimental0000]

"Do a search is not valid" I agree to disagree to a certain degree. There have been quite a few times where I've looked up a person's question verbatim in a Google search and found the answer immediately. This means that yes, telling them to do a google search does actually help. Granted it's a YMMV type of thing, but basic questions will more than likely have dozens of results for answers in a search. I've also found that in some cases pointing someone to an article with the answer (giving them the link) was still considered unhelpful, toxic, and "gatekeeping" because the person didn't want to have to read through it and just wanted an answer pasted into a reply comment instead. The "toxicity" goes both ways as sometimes it's the person asking the question/needing help can be just as condescending as some of those "answering". Basically, everyone needs to be nicer to one another on both sides of the coin and those needing help need to take charge of their situation and at least make some effort either to find the solution or to just admit that they've no idea where to start checking (it happens).

[@thingsiplay]

Congratz. (no irony) You are the first reactor who noticed the file didn't copy fully and that it would not work, before he even attempted to watch the video. (First challenge)

[@Montisaquadeis]

7-zip on Windows has the same extract to subfolder function and I use it constantly myself personally. It will even allow you to extract multiple archives to their own subfolders based on the names of their archives which is nice

[@kit_race]

When transferring large files on Windows between folders/desktop/drives, it'll pop up a moderately sized window displaying the percentage of the file that has transfer and the time it'll take to transfer fully. I think the problem for Linus here is that since he's more than likely used to seeing that transfer window, since it didn't pop up in his immediate view, he thought that it had already completed.

[@jurassisart]

Yeah - same goes with zipping the files I guess. Either with board tools or WinRAR, there is a pop up with a progression bar in the center of the screen, so you can barely miss it ^^

[@Longplay_Games]

Yes - and I really hate that certain DEs somewhat recently switched to a nearly invisible file copy icon (thingamajig). I really prefer when an OS makes a nice way to tell how far along processes like that are.

[@EwanMarshall]

there is a notification in plasma too, it is just in the notifications bottom right... He missed it many times.

[@jurassisart]

@@EwanMarshall Well, tbh.. if you don't notice it and don't know about it.. could be handled better or at least have the option to display it front and center. jmo tho

[@ChrisRLowery]

@@jurassisart Agreed. I think it should default to front-and-center to avoid these sorts of issues with maybe a checkbox to minimize it to the tray/notification/whatever. I think this would have thrown me off for a bit as well; it's not exactly intuitive in its current state.

[@jemsterr]

12:45 - I'm with Linus on that. That's how I've done it in WinRAR, before that in WinZip, and once Windows actually got their .zip file game together, in Windows Explorer. It was a pain in the default archive manager in Mint MATE. Now that I've moved to Manjaro/XFCE, it (Engrampa) acts just like I was used to on Windows. Even drag/dropping onto a folder puts it into the folder - the exact way that Linus was expecting.

[@brlin]

In fact what Linus experiences shouldn't really happen in the first place as what this video has demonstrated dragging files from archive to folder do work in Ark+Dolphin. If it isn't then it's likely a bug.

[@chrisgeorge3345]

As some who has worked in IT for 7 years and supported a company transition from Mac to windows and the other way. People will always expect the new OS to be like what they are used to. Linus is right there are more people going from windows to Linux or Mac and there is no harm in Mac or Linux accommodating these people.

[@michael_tunnell]

Accommodation is fair but they should not expect the same thing. My point was more about how macOS is very different and gets comments about how innovative it is not disappointment with how its not Windows

[@65Drums]

I love your level headed breakdown of this series

[@marcus6226]

Thank you Michael for your calm and informative reaction videos. A most pleasurable viewing experience.

[@unixtreme]

7:45 regarding files, what actually happens is that the file is created in the filesystem and sometimes the writes may even just be cached but not flushed yet. This is especially noticeable if instead of sync writes the mount is doing async, meaning that it will acknowledge the transfer as done as the Kernel gets the write request and it's cached in memory, instead of when it's actually committed to storage. If at this point you remove the device you will basically have a corrupt file in it. This is different than in windows in that case windows will just show a progress bar more in your face and write the filesystem record at the end. But I work in the storage industry and encountered similar problems with windows as well.

[@michael_tunnell]

Interesting, thanks for sharing that. TIL

[@stickersamurai2272]

here's my two cents, i was born and raised in America and used windows and mac all my life . no need for me to use or even try linux, but i went to the Philippines (at the third world country parts.) many Students and businesses here use Linux not by choice but because of survival. old broken computers are not thrown here, they're restored. they're grateful for Linux for resurrecting the computers other countries just throw out.

[@knife1406]

great video man, your humor is really great, when you said you were going back into dolphin but was jus kidding, idk I don't think I've laughed at a youtube video in a while. def subbed

[@hughj776]

Hi Michael. New subscriber. Also a very new Linux user here. I really enjoy your reactions to the Linux Tech tips challenge. These are probably the mot useful videos I’ve watched on Linux to date. (And I’ve watched a lot of them over the last month or so). You addressed it a few times in two of your videos, but could you please do a video explaining package managers (Discover, Panak, etc), packages and repositories? I find it confusing from a choice perspective (which is better, can/should I use more than one, can I switch on the fly between them to access all apps I might want?). I am a novice user so not expecting to go too far into detail. But I’d like to know from a best practices point of view. Locating the best app or solution for a particular need is a bit confusing. For example, recently I was looking for a Media (HD) archiving tool. I installed several from my native package manger (Discover) but nothing worked as expected (either broken or features were inadequate). So where do I proceed from here? You don't need to address that app specifically, just in general. And more importantly where can I go wrong looking for a solution? Are there ways to spot a sketchy app vs a solid choice. Does the distro play a role in what app will work or where I should look for it? And what are the real world differences between flatpak, aur or snap (or other) packages? Again from a novice point of view. I don’t need a deep dive into the details as I likely won’t be able to understand it anyway. I also tried several distros trying to find one (unsuccessfully) that allowed me to use three monitors simultaneously. I notice in the second Linus Tech Tips video (3:15) you can see that Luke has a dark (third) screen. This was my experience. I was never able to get three monitors to work at the same time. I have since solved that problem by switching to a single (43”) screen. But I’d love to hear how that can be resolved. I did try installing various drivers and cards, but with no success. Almost made me bail on the OS install. But I liked the idea of the 43" so I resolved the problem by buying my way out. Cheers.

[@derekmcroberts1380]

I appreciate your level headed commentary on the commentary of Linux. I've been across many distro's, BSD, MAC OS, every Windows release since 3.11. You clearly prefer Linux, but you're not a zealot. You accept that there are shortcomings and poor support and that it's a barrier for many people. I'm getting back into Linux because support for Win 7 is dying and the lack of control in Windows 8, 10, 11, is a non-starter.

[@michael_tunnell]

Thank you very much for the kind words! I do try to approach commentary with a level headed attitude because nothing is perfect and pretending it is doesn't help anyone. I agree with your points about the Windows experience these days. I became a full time Linux user during the transition between Vista and Windows 7. Different reasons but ultimately because I was not happy with Microsoft's direction.

[@roadogsc]

13:24 7-zip (my personal favorite extractor as a windows user) also has that feature and IDK if Dolphin has it, but if you select multiple archives, even of different types, it will give each of them a sub folder so you don't have to do it individually.

[@lmao4982]

You should do a video laying out what a distro is and its parts if you haven't already. As a beginner, I feel like most of my problems stem from not understanding how the distro is glued together. If new people got an overview of which parts were responsible for what and how they interface with each other, I think linux would be a lot less opaque. It would also help make a meaningful decision as to which distro to pick. Take desktop environments for example. My understanding is that they usually bundle window managers, display servers, default apps, a bunch of functionality like system menus and the glue that makes it all work well together. That gives me some understanding of why certain issues may occur or which parts might be easy to replace. Say I wanted to replace Dolphin with Nautilus in KDE - As a beginner I can't really predict how well that would work. My best guess is that some of the "glue" in KDE Plasma includes strong integration between Plasma, Dolphin and the other default apps, and I would lose that swapping to Nautilus. But it could also be the case that file managers are built on some well defined interface such that they can be replaced completely without a hitch. Or maybe it's up to the file manager developers to make it work well with every supported DE. I just don't know, and I have this insecurity around a large portion of what I want to do on Linux. I think an outline of how the different parts interface with each other would be very helpful to most beginners.

[@michael_tunnell]

That is a very interesting idea. I will add it to my to do list

[@thundreturtle]

Michael The OpenSorcerrer! The animations you added are DOPE! And the video is DOPE!

[@northof-62]

My Linux systems find my printers (HP Laser & Canon Inkjet) more easily that WIndows, but any kind of special formatting or paper choices are not available. I guess this may vary depending on your hardware.

[@armorgeddon]

Depends on hardware and driver. You can always check if there is another driver made available by the distro and/or the hardware manufacturer instead of the automatically choosen one.

[@FBI_Master]

did you do a part 4 reaction

[@michael_tunnell]

I did not do the part 4. I didn't have the time to do it and then it just seemed out of date too much to do it

[@SebHighDef]

15:41 love the overdub to replace "ass" with "butt" :P

[@michael_tunnell]

Thanks lol he said butt the second time so I figured why not use it that lol. You might be the only one to notice that 😃

[@Galka_DK]

Great respond video, loved that you showed how it could be done (when they missed it). And hope to see you do that alot more in other responds videos ^^ Keep up the good work.

[@zxuiji]

28:14, I use cinnamon on manjaro and I've never noticed any lag, tried running Dragon Quest Builders 2 just now and moved a window about just to test, no lag whatsoever, perhaps it's because linux mint is an ubuntu derivative?

[@abyssalreclass]

As someone who owns a Dell 3000CN, I can relate with Linus on finding old printer drivers for Windows.

[@wassim-akkari]

I didn't know your reactions are this good. :)

[@michael_tunnell]

I didn't know that either until these LTT videos came out. 😃 A lot have suggested I should do more reaction videos and I plan to do more 😃

[@krisjaniskurpnieks5486]

As far copying, compressing (and similiar activities) files are considered - Windows usually have small progress boxes that pop up showing how far that thing is done. And once that process is 100% finished the box goes away. So in that regard windows is more transparent. Sure there are linux DEs that do this as well, but not all of are that "in your face" and obvious about it.

[@CarlDraper]

Which is why KDE does it better than Gnome

[@TurtleKwitty]

Linux does have that too, it's just integrated so if you font need to see the details they dont get put in your face for nothing. What is different is the fact that windows uses the hidden flag on a file in progress but most linux things dont bother with that

[@michael_tunnell]

Linux does the progress bar thing too but inb Linus case his monitor is so huge he didn't notice it in the corner since he was expecting it to pop up in the middle like windows

[@krisjaniskurpnieks5486]

@@michael_tunnell yes, thats why i say that not all DE's are that "in your face" about progress of these actions

[@merlin-ju6fu]

@@michael_tunnell I am a Zorin 16 user. Could you do a once-a-month video on doing stuff in Zorin like getting Office 365 running or application of the month?

[@radswfiihq]

30:33 you can just apt install plasma-desktop-full and change your login manager to sddm when prompted

[@michael_tunnell]

KDE Plasma is not supported in Mint at all so while you can do this, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone new to Linux, I would just tell them to use Kubuntu.

[@praus]

Funnily enough, I think coming from Mac OS, made Linux a lot easier. The structure of the directories, the way zipping files works, moving files, making links, etc. all very similar. Even using cups to print was the same.

[@michael_tunnell]

MacOS is based on Unix which is very similar to Linux in a lot of ways, the two systems are kind of like cousins. They are rather different but also very similar too. 😎👍

[@ChrispyNut]

E2FA: Good response/react video. My feedback: Interesting, your Dolphin's set up differently to my default Garuda setup. When I tested Ark - Dolphin interaction, within a second of dragging the contents onto a folder, it opened the folder, so I could drop in there or continue through directory tree. N.B. I have Double-Click setup, not single click for opening files/folders. E2A: RootActions-Servicemenu resolves the lack of Root access in Dolphin. Some Distros include it by default, some don't but the fact it exists means you CAN "have your computer do what you want" ...... provided you know it's a package to install (web search should have early results for this provided a good search term is used).

[@zamundaaa776]

Dolphin root access (technically speaking, KIO root access) has been in (slow) progress for literal years but it's pretty close to be finished. Cool thing about it is that all other KDE apps can make use of that functionality as well then - without having to actually run as root, similar to how Kate already does it now.

[@armorgeddon]

Great to hear there's a well thought out solution coming.

[@jgarbo3541]

Over 25 yrs of Linux use install it - free - for anyone who asks - if - they accept it'll be different and better - once they get used it. So far no complaints or returns to MS.

[@hifismiffy]

Yup, I've been running Linux Mint on my MacBook Pro for years. Tweaked to my liking and doing all I ask of it. Never had any trouble printing - Canon hardware works just fine.

[@worldhello1234]

@6:35 As long as you distinguish preference from necessity. Even the pros don't use more than 70% of what Photoshop can do. If you don't want to adapt, that is fine but it means you aren't willing to make compromises out of convenience.

[@zxuiji]

paused at 17:52, my question is why is a TEMPORARY archive being given hex for it's temporary extension? should been *.zip~, the ~ character at the end of a file name/extension has always meant temporary, it would've been perfect for this situation.

[@brunoais]

Or would be *.zip.creating

[@zamundaaa776]

Libzip had that a bit weird. The reason was to prevent file name clashes - but the file just should be hidden or named with something like \*.hash.part. A KDE Developer changed that behavior in libzip now though :)

[@brunoais]

@@zamundaaa776 Oh! How does it work now? Is it with the ".part"?

[@zamundaaa776]

@@brunoais yes, it uses .part now like everything else, and will thus show a temporary icon and shows a clear error message when you try to open it

[@zxuiji]

@@brunoais I suppose that would work but what developer is gonna use 8 characters or some translation of those 8 characters when they can just use 1 simple character that anyone who's spent at least a month using directories would understand regardless of language? *Edit:* Just realised I forgot to count the dot in those 8 characters, make that 9 characters

[@RedVRCC]

3:17 I've never had issues printing on windows... I have a brother printer connected over wifi and every time I've needed to print something out, regardless of whether it's in a browser or a different program, it just works. But maybe I got lucky, idk. 12:37 he's probably used to winrar where you can just drag them out. The use case for this is sometimes selecting a few specific files from an archive and dragging them out and eventually it becomes muscle memory and you end up doing it for all the files in the archive sometimes too.

[@michael_tunnell]

I had tons of issues with printing on Windows and it’s probably a lot to do with which printer is being used so that is great to hear that you have had a good experience. 👍 For the archiving, that makes sense and it has been a very very long time since I’ve used Windows so I don’t remember anything specific about winrar just that I used it. Anyway, I think the issue here is that he was using it expecting it to work just like Windows even though it is a completely different operating system. This is a very common thing for people to do but I would expect a technical person to consider that more than he did. I mean it’s not like he would use a Mac and expect it to work like Windows so he shouldn’t do that for Linux either imo

[@call_me_stan5887]

What I like about your "reaction videos" is that they are not actually reaction videos :) They are comments to the videos - you call out obvious mistakes when necessary but usually just greatly expand on as to why something behaves the way it does, how is it useful and/or how is it annoying and how a Windows user could approach things to make encounter with Linux a better experience.

[@guilherme5094]

Nice video Michael.

[@joaojotta64]

It's VERY OLD but the way you sign a document on macOS is SO-MUCH-BETTER!!! You just sign a paper, point it to te camera, it detects the handwritting and it lets you put it on the document wherever you want it (you can also use the trackpad to draw). That should be a thing in Okular as well.

[@michael_tunnell]

The trackpad thing would be cool for okular but the photo thing requires an interesting bit of programming. I have used various things to accomplish the same but not as smoothly as macOS for sure. That sounds very nice. I wonder if there is a signing solution elsewhere. I guess you could do it with a mouse in Xournal++

[@joaojotta64]

@@michael_tunnell Ask someone with macOS to try it out. One the Preview app, go to nothtaking and you'll see a signature button. It's amazing! You should use a thicker than normal pen, though, for better results.

[@johnwestervelt1525]

I love the blue lighting in your "broadcast studio." Maybe, for 2022, you could start writing some parts for your sidekick, Mr Stool. I miss him in the forefront. Personifying him (or however Mr Stool self-identifies) provides a lot of opportunities for creative scripting.

[@joaojotta64]

41:47 Also, thanks to the most used search engine, all results are different to everyone so what one finds another may not find.

[@Controvi]

37:00 I don't really agree with how you interpreted the statement from Linus. I don't think he means to say that Linux should do stuff like windows does to make it easier to transition. I think it is more about the mentality of some community members that start being condescending because someone asks a noob question. If someone from windows comes in with a question, the answer shouldn't be "this is linux, deal with it" but "i understand and you can do it but in a different way like, ....."

[@Amaqse]

1st, since windows 7 printing is extremely straightforward. You connect your printer then click check for updates and it will download driver for it. For network printers, they are automatically searched for after establishing or re-establishing lan connection then populated on the available device list. . . all you have to do is click giant 1 inch square "plus" button to add it. No installation of any sort required as entirety of printing is made through a protocol. Software installation is useful only if u need either some non-standard special option or setting. . or you would like to be nagged constantly by driver app about your ink being refurbished thus costing less than silver per unit of weight. 2. Windows shows window in the center of the screen, with beautiful progress bar and extra options like pausing the copy process, its physically impossible to miss. 3. Speaking of your pride in linux drivers . . . all they had to do is add a task called "change mouse DPI to 3200" and it would be game over.

[@kendarr]

I might give dolphin a try, never tried it, my system came with nautilus and when moving to arch I just installed it out of habit I guess?

[@buca117]

24:00 Good correction, but I'll point out that he would have no reason at all to try this, as in Windows left click dragging a file has one function and one function only: move. His brain, as a skilled computer user, could never possibly lead him to attempt that shortcut. As a skilled Windows user myself, I understand the move behavior well enough that I can anticipate whether a file will take a long time to 'move' based on where I have my Desktop folder stored vs. where I'm getting the file from (Windows just updates the location info of a file if moving on a single partition - almost certainly the same on Linux but I don't know for sure). EDIT: After finishing the video, when you go back and talk about how Linus had issues with Windows, I'm reminded of my experience with Windows 11. I've personally had a Microsoft account as my default mail service for almost my entire time using computers. As such, having Windows be tied to that account has actually been really nice. OneDrive became built in about a decade after I created my account, so now I pay the $2 a month for expanded storage and I don't ever need to fuss about transferring files when I reinstall (I'm on the top end of 'know enough to be dangerous'). My Windows licenses are tied to my account as well, so I no longer need to keep a card handy and put it in every time I reinstall. However, I recently went to set up a laptop for my grandma, and found that I literally could not create a local, not Microsoft account on first boot, and I was not allowed to disconnect from the network in order to try a workaround (that I later found out literally got patched). I would love to switch to Linux, but my entire setup is geared around gaming. Not being able to play some games or take advantage of some services (like Xbox Game Pass for PC) is a hard deal breaker. No amount of workarounds could make me subject myself to that.

[@brunoais]

> as in Windows left click dragging a file has one function and one function only: move. ... Or copy (depending on context) The rest I agree. However, I'm in the opinion of heavily disliking how Microsoft does things. I actually do play many games on Linux. Many of them through proton. It just happens most games I play are not real time games and the ones I like playing are already some years old, so they just run with Lutris.

[@buca117]

@@brunoais The only time I'm aware of that Windows copies a file is when you drag it to the folder its already in. And I'm not arguing that its better, just that, for someone familiar with Windows, its not something we'd ever think to try.

[@brunoais]

@@buca117 1st: You can try 2nd: I agree

[@Carstein666]

@@buca117 "The only time I'm aware of that Windows copies a file is when you drag it to the folder its already in. " It depends on the destination. If you left-click drag the file to a new place on the same drive then Windows will move it. If you drag the file to a place on a different drive then Windows will copy it.

[@buca117]

@@Carstein666 True. I guess I was thinking in terms of dragging to the desktop, which is usually stored on the C: drive, and thus a move operation for anything else stored on the C: drive.

[@TuxPeng]

Most distributions plasma setups do have easy right-click option to open dolphin as root

[@michael_tunnell]

the only one I know of is openSUSE, I have not seen it on any other distro after it was removed for the technical issue

[@mahadevannaii8742]

Nice to learn more on Linux.

[@justsomeperson5110]

LOL Love it! Found this channel thanks to this video and I hope to see more. I like the common sense approach to reality. Not gonna lie ... when I first saw this was a Linux reaction, kind of scared. It's not that there are a "lot" of toxic Linux users, just that, well, the squeaky wheel gets the ... engineer to bash it with a spanner. LOL And on The Interwebs, well, lots of toxicity to be found. I'm very extremely eminently profoundly glad this was the total opposite of that. Yay! Because I want to love Linux. I really do. I just wish all Linux users making themselves heard wanted people to love Linux too.

[@kendarr]

For signing stuff I took a tablet I had and signed my name on Gimp, exported as .png with transparency, now if I need to sign something I just drop the png file.

[@bentels5340]

Good reaction, learned some things from you (and L&L). Regarding the signing challenge: following part 3 I spent some time trying it myself; there is no way on God's green Earth that the idea of the challenge was a cryptographic signature like Linus tried -- that's not a beginner's challenge and even on Windows you don't set that up easily. I think the idea was to do what Luke did and the challenge was badly worded and pushed Linus in the wrong direction.

[@Theckonestroh]

Windows Office I was an instructor back in community college. Most ppl are unaware of Microsoft Word, you can create a signature file that can be used by default to sign any document. Real world we generally just print the document, sign it and take a photo, send it via IM or SMS.

[@Henrik_Holst]

Well to be honest it was not Linus that decided to go that route, it was Okular that complained that it needed a signing cert in order to do what Luke did.

[@bentels5340]

@@Henrik_Holst Yes, but that's correct -- Okular feels that "sign digitally" means "sign the document cryptographically", which makes sense. Just editing the PDF to add a picture has no real value at all as a signature. So I can't complain about that. No, I feel strongly that it's sloppy wording that's the problem here.

[@bentels5340]

@@Theckonestroh But I assume that's an image file with a written signature in it, right? That's still not a digital signature; setting that up requires cryptographic key material, even in Windows.

[@EwanMarshall]

@@Henrik_Holst Sejda probably did that the keys being on Sejda's servers.

[@mathewboyd903]

I love these videos keep them up :)

[@dextrodemon]

windows has the same behaviors for dragging with ctrl, shift and ctrl+shift btw

[@pantallahueso]

Someone said that the reason Windows was acting as buggy as it was at the beginning of this series was because Linus had a game controller connected to his computer, and Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, decided that game controllers should control the Windows Desktop Environment. He likely had his controller sitting face-down somewhere.

[@devilmanscott]

It's not a terrible reason, Steam does the same with it's big picture mode, remember Microsoft tries to accomodate most users and some maybe interact with their OS from a sofa and mostly using it for games, so you want to navigate it with a controller.

[@esaleirivaara7315]

Great approach again, 10/10.

[@breadmoth6443]

you missed an important detail, Linus was being Linus, and did not realize he was trying to archive another REALLY BIG file, so he did not realize it was still archiving - if you look back at the footage, and look closely at the temporary file the system created (KDE I should say) - the size of the file was still increasing.

[@imzesok]

heh, Linux kinda nailed printing in the late 90s, i'm not surprised they had such an easy time with that. 24:44 oh, fun fact, all those copy/move/shortcut creation keypresses are exactly the same as in windows. Actually, come to think of it, like 99% of the file management shortcuts are the same across both platforms. they should just sort of know them already seeing as they're "windows power users", IMO. on the other hand Linus didn't know ctrl+shift+esc opens task manager and it has been a thing since Windows VIsta at least. IDK, maybe I just expect too much of him sometimes 🤷.

[@glaubhafieber]

I remember configuring cups and sane for printing and scanning lol

[@TheFhqwhgadsLimit]

On the shortcut thing - from Linus' Windows experience, he would have expected dragging and dropping a file to just move the actual file instead of asking him what he wanted to do with it after releasing the mouse button. Not saying one way is better than the other, but that's why he didn't try to do that

[@michael_tunnell]

He didn't try to do a regular drag and drop, he used the right mouse button only. If he did a this drag and drop he would have seen the options but instead he assumed since what he tried didnt work it must be harder to do it in Linux.

[@Monoxide64]

@@michael_tunnell what would prompt a user to try left click + drag if all of their experience (coming from windows) would tell them that would just move the file? A short optional "tutorial" on common shortcuts on install I think would be a solution to better help new users acclimate.

[@michael_tunnell]

That is not a common thing to do, for example this is the first I have ever seen a right click drag for a shortcut. I don't think it's a well known thing. Also I think showing a tutorial for something like that would be a ton of tutorials and would get in the way of users but just differently. A lot of the time people dismiss those kinds of help prompts.

[@SlugSage]

Subbed because you call yourself "The Open Sorcerer"

[@michael_tunnell]

Lol I like that reason 👍

[@Magic__7]

these rections have been very good you get what the proble they are having is and dont just say "well you shound do it like that" you explin why that dont work

[@michael_tunnell]

Thank you for the feedback! I'm glad my intentions were clear. I try to think about my first experience with Linux and try to help people with theirs. 😎👍

[@taxaction1]

Awesome reaction vid. I learnt a few more things about KDE Plasma. Prop's for showing how to create a refresh button 👍.

[@Marcelg13]

3:18 it always depends on the printer. I owned 3 Printers and it all worked painlessly on Windows and linux without having to search for Drivers. One time i had to loan a Printer from a friend and it was a pain in the ass because i had to search and download multiple Drivers to get this thing going.

[@Rotceev]

The beauty of Linux is that it does introduce a brilliant, more efficient, often more creative solutions and ways of doing stuff, and accomodating a typical windows user would make linux act exactly like windows and thus kill all those features that make linux superior (and there are linux windows clones out there if you need one). I am gonna be frank, that would be stupid. Just as much stupid would be to charge your electric car on a station instead in your own house/garage, just because people were used to that. Linux is great for NEWBIES, just not WINDOWS Users with their Windows Assumptions. I should know, I was one for years and I missed out on so much features just because of my assumptions, Though Linux Distros could make tutorial videos/animations showing those awesome features on a first few bootups.

[@HaddaClu]

Its this Linux Challenge and all of these reaction vid's that got me to give Linux another shot recently. This last weekend I created a partition on my laptop's second (empty) drive and installed Kubuntu for dual booting and getting my feet wet. So far I'm liking it far more than Pop_os which is what I tried about a year ago. I'll keep my gaming on the window's side of things on the laptop, but I'm trying to do as much as possible productivity wise on the Kubuntu side. It honestly surprises me how snappy my dell 7567 can be with an alternative OS, but that being said with it being a dell I know from research that its all but impossible to take control of the fans easily in linux and hwinfo64 is windows only - I'm not comfortable with futzing about with the terminal.

[@AceOfBased]

Yeah, because that's how "good" Linux is that you have to run dualboot with Windows, because deep down you know it won't work out good.

[@michael_tunnell]

I haven't used Windows on any of my computers in 14 years. So no, you don't *have to* dual boot. 😎

[@HaddaClu]

@@AceOfBased As I said I kept windows around solely for gaming purposes, and that's because of Dell's locking the fan curve behind an arbitrary wall that is absolutely infuriating to try and get around. My game library plays mostly just fine on Linux - up until the system starts to slow to a crawl from cooking itself due to the fans only running at the bare minimum. I have looked around and this is specifically a Dell laptop / Linux issue.

[@AceOfBased]

@@HaddaClu It IS a Linux issue if you don't have the same problem on Windows.

[@HaddaClu]

@@AceOfBased Dell locks fan control to a separate "fan control chip" on the mb. I have to use HWINFO64 to control them on windows but nothing so easy works in Linux, and like a lot of threads out there - the suggested solutions didn't work for me at all.

[@pip5528]

As a fan of both Linux and classical MMORPGs, I definitely agree that there is an unfortunate degree of toxicity and elitism in both but I have also had lots of good experiences with both and met a lot of awesome people from both. Some of my closest internet friends come from those communities.

[@michael_tunnell]

I agree. I have very close friends met from Linux. I think every community has toxicity but some just have louder than others lol

[@felix_xb]

Mac gets praised for not working like windows and linux gets bashed because people when talking about linux talk about "how this and this is buggy or was hard to setup" while on mac they just mean "this thing that was annoying on windows, works on mac with out a hassle". In other words, it's a case of apples and oranges ("less hassle" vs "severe problems"). I'm sure (and I know) people have problems with things on mac and how they work, but its usually not anything as severe or usability damaged as it tends to be on linux (where like in the previous video linus bricked his entire OS). And for the record people do praise linux too, like for servers, web dev, containers, etc; it's just those things don't matter for "average joe"

[@ShiroKage009]

HP printing is actually easy enough and what people are familiar with. But in general, it's a pain in the ass.

[@panjo40]

I always have problems with Brother all in one printers to install inti linux

[@michael_tunnell]

Brother printers are hit or miss, vs HP that just all seem to work fine out of the box

[@brunoais]

24:43 You can also do like Linus tried on xubuntu or linux mint XFCE (probably also in cinnamon desktop; I didn't try) and you get the menu. If you only drag, it's, by default, move if same mount point and copy if different drive (basically copied windows). This is one of the things I think windows did right. It's just that it doesn't work on Manjaro, for some reason. Probably dolphin. Personally, I prefer when left mouse button does defaults (preferably, configurable) and right mouse button asks what I want.

[@AJ-po6up]

As always great react video, I know they take more time but I liked the parts where you show us your desktop and how you do things, is good for us noobs, anyways keep it up! cheers.

[@Controvi]

right off the bat XD 3:17 "there is no such thing as pain free printing on windows" I know I don't speak for every windows user out there cause I know it can be a pain in the but. BUT I have never really had any issues. Especially with my wireless printers that are all recognized by windows without me even having to add them. Just so you know, there is indeed a pain free experience with printing possible on windows ;)

[@caltagos]

Same here, altough that's only after Windows 7 when they added that find network printer setting. Sometimes I do have to install software for added settings.

[@RetroEcoChicken]

printing on windows is very easy if you have a good cheap printer. mine was litterly just connect cable or download the software and it instatly connects worked.

[@TurtleKwitty]

For the windows file thing, windows uses a filesystem flag to hide it, if you have your explorer settings to see hidden it's there but semi transparent cause hidden, linux stuff just doesnt bother with doing that with initial dot, but it would be a good idea to do

[@ThatLinuxDude]

You technically don't even need the . strategy - .hidden is a viable strategy that exists as well.

[@jeffsadowski]

As often as I can I try to correct the bad eggs.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

Hahahahaha!! I am a Plasma/KDE freak, and it's all there, and way more, You just have to go into the settings and unleash the beast that dolphin is (More of a super shark)! It can do more than most file managers, once you tell it to!

[@bjorn7696]

Yes, do as I say 😉

[@ultraprincesskenny6790]

Windows it says "copying files" with a progress bar

[@michael_tunnell]

Plasma has a progress too just not in the center of the screen

[@EwanMarshall]

Plasma/KDE devs have worked on that drop on folder since the LTT video dropped, so you might have a more upto date version of dolphin running.

[@Henrik_Holst]

No other people wrote that it worked for them aswell in comments to the original LTT video so the common idea is that Linus simply wasn't hitting the folder icon

[@AJ-po6up]

@@Henrik_Holst Lol that makes sense.

[@michael_tunnell]

Software in Linux is updated fast but not that fast 😃 But I did narrow it down, seems like its an issue with the "list view" specifically

[@florianfelix8295]

The way that Linus likes to flaunt his plasma background I think he is actually ok

[@deonoosthuizen42]

Again a great video. Thanx for the work you put in. Probably the biggest issue for new users is finding help. How to you talk to if your have an issue. I moved my personal PC over to Linux more than a year back. I have worked with Unix, BSD and Linus server and desktop for work over many years. I run into issues where I could get steam to work or a windows app I need via wine, but not both. Now after distro hopping 1 time, I got the windows app to work, but not steam, more particularly Mafia 3. Some time over the last couple of months, that game stated working, but now the windows app fails. No idea what changes. Not getting error messages that is helpful. Doing the searching this is not working as it is to generic and the software to obscure for most to know it. So how do I talk to? Most of the time you get your should move to X distro or just go read forms. I have done that, but its not like the software is word that 90% of PC users know about. Yes I could setup a VM, I know how to do it, but that looks like work. I'm in IT, developer / devops / what ever needs to be done. Sometimes you just need a different perspective on this issue. Check this log or set this wine property and try it. But for that, users needs access to safe / friendly group of people to take the couple of minuets to assist or point in the correct direction. Even skilled IT staff needs some direction from time to time. Nobody knows it all. Don't say move to my distro, say I don't know exactly what is the issue, but may try this. Definitely dint say go Google it.

[@JM-sn5eb]

This is something I don't understand. (I understand how it works but I i don't understand why it wasn't changed) In Windows they made progress bar. And its there until the copying is finished. In windows I never do "safe remove/unmount" for my usb And never had a problem. In linux that's a complete different story. I usually copy files with rsync and after that just to be sure I do sync and after that I unmount drives

[@SabreXT]

You should have got a mention in the shout outs they did. As for your point about why Mac gets praise for being different but Linux gets complaints, I think it might be because Linux users hype the similarity to windows as a selling point and created a false expectation. Years ago I was told that Mint was exactly like using windows, but I found it wasn't. Meanwhile, Mac users bragged about not having right click.

[@oscs4556]

Mac does have a right click it’s using two fingers on the touchpad

[@zerodni6635]

Most powerful tool in kde is show alternatives. show desktop can be set to minimize in two clicks.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

Get them penguins a dancing! I can't put a number on how many times I got shit and pissed on in Windows related forums including by Microsoft employees trying to push the blame on other software vendors, only for it to turn out Microsoft's (assholes) fault after all, and never to get an actual fix for a problem until some update months later, whereas in Linux they may piss on you, but someone always comes through, and you get the solution within hours, you can implement right then and there! Yep, many happy friendly penguins dancing!!! penguin party every day!!! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

[@dumbllama8495]

Dolphin is really the best FM, definitely better than windows explorer. It's just different than they are used to, also Linus is a busy guy, he might not have enough time to spend on his personal computer so he's not comfortable with it yet.

[@tomclark1213]

When I go to a forum for help, I usually state in a short sentence or paragraph what I am trying to accomplish. Then below that I post all the searches that I have done and what or what didn't work. When I've been active on a forum I try to provide the answer and then suggest the method of inquiry above as helpful in solving issues. But first I post what I think may resolve the issue. But yeah, people that don't answer the question need to STFU. I've been dogpiled for pointing out the rude behavior of forum veterans.

[@pantallahueso]

It’s especially annoying when people try to tell you that you *shouldn’t* want to do what you’re trying to do. Never ask a JavaScript question on Stack Overflow - you will be dogpiled by people who insist you should only ever use jQuery.

[@marcelh7864]

@@pantallahueso The "You shouldn't want that" answer most of the time is missing a qualifier. Normally that there is a better way of getting the thing done you want to do. I'm Java developer and there's also certain things that "you shouldn't want" but that mostly a cop out because the answer is mostly too lengthy or requires understanding of some other concepts. And some people are just plain rude.

[@devilmanscott]

@@pantallahueso When is the last time you did JavaScript, if anyone in the last 8 years tells you to use JQuery, ignore them and move on with your day.

[@pantallahueso]

@@devilmanscott Well, that's what I did, I walked away -- it was just an incredibly unproductive conversation considering the entire purpose of the project was to learn JavaScript, and I learned nothing other than that I was wrong for not using jQuery.

[@Xdgvy]

Linus: "Dolphin, you suck!" 50% of all Linux youtuber's I've watched react to this: "Yeah, pretty much." The other 50% (and a dev): "I mean... not really, but whatever Linus."

[@DonaldWyman]

I think the reason the drag things out of a zip file didn't work for Linus, and it did for you, was he was using ark, and you were using the built-in dolphin tool. Also, the part about root and dolphin out of the box may be true, but there are plugins for dolphin to give you root privileges.

[@michael_tunnell]

I was using Ark. Ark is the built-in tool for Dolphin, they are fully integrated with each other. Upon further investigation is seems like the issue is with Manjaro specifically. Fedora & openSUSE can perform the action just fine but for some reason Manjaro can't. So Linus is right that Manjaro's Dolphin can't but is wrong in saying that Dolphin itself can't. That is a new bug for me but just another example to confirm my statement from the last video that the distros do in fact matter unlike claims from other youtubers. :)

[@DonaldWyman]

@@michael_tunnell I stand corrected, and I tried it just now, you are right. For some reason I thought it ark was separate from dolphin, but maybe I am thinking of a different file manager/archive manager. Anyway great video.

[@Zendariel87]

I saw another comment on another video that Linus probably just missed the folder, they were zoomed into small icons and there was no transparency on the files being moved. I think this is a likely explanation.

[@zamundaaa776]

@@michael_tunnell it's not an issue with Manjaro, it's that Dolphin was in details view. Details view has a long standing issue where only the actual folder icon is regarded as a click (& in this case, drag) target, so if you drop the file onto the row but not exactly the folder icon then you get the problem that Linus had. There has been a merge request to fix that in progress for 2 months so that's soon to be fixed :)

[@YvanDaSilva]

Concerning the "loving silent minority". I do agree they need to speak up, but please stop using instant messaging as a way for helping others. Instant messaging, isn't searchable, it's often closed being walls (specific application, account creation, etc.) Open Forums, stackoverflow (yeah, yeah, I hear you...), blogs, Reddit, Twitter, even FB, but all those medium that can be read online without any walls are a just so much better at addressing the "entry" questions that a new user could have. IMHO, this is why the arch community likes arch that much. The arch wiki is PHENOMENAL (even for other distro users), not perfect but nothing is, but it does it's job and it does it well. Voilà :) Great show btw !

[@bonzupippinpaddleopsicopol8094]

Subscribed cause of CRUX joke

[@michael_tunnell]

Lol thank you! 😃

[@SamuelRaynor79]

More scenes!

[@curtvaughan2836]

As a retired techie - 69 years old - I've been using Linux on my laptops and Raspberry Pi's the last 13 years. I'm fine with it, actually enjoy using various distros on my laptops and Pi's. I haven't used Windows since I retired, and am grateful that Linux exists as an option for PC hardware. I also have a Mac desktop (iMac) that I share with my wife. I particularly like it that MacOS is BSD based, so when I put up a terminal, it is definitely "unix-like". So, I guess I'm one of those few old "grandpa" types that is just fine with Linux. Carry on, Mr. Tunnell. And P.S., I miss the old Rocko days.

[@florianfelix8295]

I think many techie grandpas are actually fine, but many young ppl grow up with those proprietary defaults.

[@dracula5752]

i think if people change operating system and expect it gonna work the same....

[@hifismiffy]

That's the trouble. Linux involves some learning and you need to realise that before jumping from Windows or Mac OS.

[@0Synergy]

I am an off and on Linux user (Currently on) My last foray into Linux ended when Win11 decided Kubuntu needed to die and it killed that entire install. Recently I have been using Reborn with Plasma as my DE and have been playing games with friends with 0 issues but man I miss so many windows features. From Adrenalin with its OC, tuning, Relive, RSR, fan control, system monitoring graphs, to even Light shot which is way more light and simple that the current screenshot tool on my PC. Linux isn't an objectively better or worse experience but a completely different one where you trade stupid shit for stupid shit. Idk I might just be an absolute idiot.

[@breadmoth6443]

adobe made PDF an open format in the late '00s , but what pisses me off is that there is still not a real way to just modify or sign a PDF. Even in an office suite like LibreOffice, you can export to PDF , but you can't modify a PDF if you wanted to - so how a PDF is some how an "open" format now is beyond me, when the tools are still proprietary and worse paid tools, just to modify a PDF itself.

[@ChrisRLowery]

Just to add on to your point around 42 minutes about searching for something and finding people responding to questions telling them to go search for it...SOOOO much hate for that. Especially when the top several hits for it, sometimes the only ones that actually feel like they're an actual match to your question, have nothing but people saying to go look it up yourself. I mean...if that's going to be your response, do yourself and everyone else a favor and just don't bother responding at all, because it's a waste of everyone's time, including yours to post the nastiness. Just...don't.

[@JamesJones-zt2yx]

Linus: deletes his windowing environment out from under himself because he had the option of overriding the warning. Also Linus: dolphin should let s Windows gamer and Linux noobie override file permissions and potentially destroy his system.

[@michael_tunnell]

lol okay that’s funny

[@arimcbrown]

I think you're a bit of at 37:00, it's not the expectation that it works as expected. It's the treatment of "you're doing it wrong and you're an idiot" behavior that he's trying to address. Anyway, I do see both points, but I just think you chose a wrong example here.

[@breadmoth6443]

In windows , when you move or copy a file from one drive to another, it shows a file there also - but you still have the progress window of the transfer - but unlike linux, windows is also updating or flushing the buffers as it goes, unlike linux - which you have the sync command - either way, Linus was at fault here, he should have known a 3+GB file will never transfer instantly, no matter what OS you use.

[@katanasteel]

Minor nitpick cinnamon was forked from GNOME2 not v3 Edit: my bad... I was thinking of MATE

[@ThatLinuxDude]

um, no, Cinnamon started off as an Extension for GNOME *3.*

[@katanasteel]

@@ThatLinuxDude sorry, yeah I was conflating cinnamon with MATE, both coming from the displeasure with gnome3 and gnome shell.

[@mikael19790]

how about live performance from Nightwish - Ghost Love Score in Wacken 2013 reaction?

[@Henrik_Holst]

Nightwish Army, that came out of left field :)