IDLES talk Credibility, Authenticity and Opportunity - BIMM Masterclass

[@Daubentonia88]

Are any of the musicians you interview ever studied at BIMM?

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

Yes often! But for IDLES specifically, Jon studied with us in Bristol, and Lee worked with us BIMM Bristol as a Guitar Lecturer.

[@Joe-ol5bq]

As a music industry student I can confidently say these guys are hitting all the marks. They know their business really well. It's phenomenal and inspiring. Much love IDLES!

[@islandgroovies1444]

I didn't know Music Industry as an actual thing you can study academical

[@Joe-ol5bq]

@@islandgroovies1444 Yeah! not many schools offer a program in it

[@johnr8820]

Don't ever say that first part of that sentence ever again

[@marshall0814]

I just took a screen shot of that comment about being a music industry student. That is the best worst thing I've read on the internet ever. It indeed hits all the marks.

[@dpclerks09]

While you're not wrong, just remember, "Music is Life, and Life is NOT a Business". Just in case you need a reminder kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHunpKSXmdB8nKs

[@jensen_chuah]

I had no clue who IDLES were, but as a musician listening to their advice taught me so much. We should be passionate!! This is what we sacrifice so much for, so happy I clicked on this video :)

[@bikesbeersbeats]

I listened to IDLES while sitting at my desk with headphones on. I totally was not into them and didn't really "get it" then I had a friend drag me to their live show and they blew my mind! Haven't stopped singing the lyrics in my car since.

[@hectorsanabria7984]

Me too! Jajaja

[@Jammyman998]

Love that comment about the Foo Fighters.

[@richardeckersley28]

This is amazing, you must listen to this, great attitude..............Dont be cool!

[@jacklandon9739]

These fellas are one of the last original Punk Bands in the world. From their sound their look their attitude and so much more!

[@DelayedJet]

I could listen to Joe talk all day. He's a brilliant speaker.

[@MrPandypan]

love how SMART THIS DUDES ARE... Also the passion they have is something you can feel.

[@ohthefuture7618]

I didn't expect a whole lot of insight initially but I'm so glad I finally watched this. Great stuff from one of today's best bands.

[@lazylion420]

"don't play cool because no one cares... there's millions of people playing it cool right now"

[@tpsjonny]

No doubt Foo Fighters will be your support act.....

[@americanpancakelive]

Totally respect what they are saying and it applies to all things, all career paths especially when people don't even talk in a physical space anymore

[@scotturwin1387]

Honesty, passion and wisdom. These lads embody everything I love about punk rock. Can’t wait to see them in January!

[@olbeef250]

They couldn't be more conformist. Hipster, preachy posers.

[@DelayedJet]

@@olbeef250 Most people are comformists, really. But the thing that separates these guys from hipsters is that hipsters care about what others think of them, whereas IDLES clearly don't.

[@olbeef250]

@@DelayedJet These guys are repeating the exact same narrative they hear in media. Sprouting non-issues constantly. They could not be more conformist. They dress and talk exactly the same as every hipster in every trendy part of town.

[@andreasprokscha6357]

Thank you very much for your tipps and support!

[@nicbongo]

My favorite new band at the moment. Love em xx

[@davidavery1584]

Proper agree with fashionable people become unfashionable quickly. Great band, even greater messages behind them.

[@The1stMrJohn]

Can't wait to see IDLES live. and no connection but Also, would love to see SUNN O))) live, for the weird things their sonics do to your body!?!

[@Turbotonthefly]

Total class.

[@michaelhemmings8989]

Love idles, they play for the people, and have a great time doing it. X

[@russelltyler9363]

Some amazing advice from only a couple of examples. I went to ACM in Guildford, my friends and I that went there have a little saying.. "Shouldv'e gone to BIMM."

[@getmedjr]

Refreshing to see a punk band that genuinely doesn't give a fuck, as in they don't give a fuck about being perceived as uncool, if they want to do something they'll do it. As opposed to desperately wanting to be perceived as not giving a fuck to their own detriment.

[@thestuffmikedoes2309]

David Strutt they don’t give a fuck about being perceived as cool...which is why he had to go on a whole diatribe about how the band “doesn’t listen to and would NEVER listen to” the big commercial act bringing them on tour

[@hodfranko8027]

@@thestuffmikedoes2309 Exactly. Completely contradicts himself :/

[@mrgreen9388]

The hard work's paid off !!! Well done dev.

[@nic98piwo]

2:14 so you say you can't BURN BRIDGES?

[@rzvncj]

A bit harsh on the Foo Fighters there, I would bet that Dave Grohl would have chosen the Idles because he's a massive punk fan (he wrote Ian MacKaye of Fugazi a fan letter as a teenager even). The puzzle probably didn't hurt, but I doubt it's why they were chosen.

[@toomuchdingding4557]

Lemmy and IDLES in the same room. Nuclear LOVE.

[@Crazy3189]

I would love to see more of this. Does anyone know if they're is anymore?

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

We're afraid not. We're not able to upload the full Masterclasses as they are something we offer exclusively for our students. Also we often only ever have the rights from the bands/artists to share select sections of the talks as well...

[@jeffk4608]

Idles , much better then the foo fighters by faaaaaaaar!

[@derektrotter4287]

I don’t like olives... oh yeah nobody gives a £uck 👍

[@jeffk4608]

Derek Trotter - cough cough , troll

[@derektrotter4287]

Mr. White troll ? Because I don’t agree with your opinion? Do you understand music is subjective all I’m saying is wether you like it or not. It’s the internet and nobody cares if you like it or not. My point is idles we’re making out as if they were unsure about supporting foo fighters then send them a jigsaw it just a bit of a contradiction. I love there music just think there trying to hard to be controversial and I can see through it.

[@jeffk4608]

Derek Trotter - cough cough, triggered

[@jeffk4608]

Derek Trotter - haha, your pretty funny for being a Brit.

[@jordan3119]

Truly amazing advice. These are the passionate people who make things so unapologetically enjoyable. Fuck this trendy silent judgement too cool for school bullshit. I want head screaming geeked out passion. Fuck cool. I want love and truth and dancing and sweat and blood and fun. Yeah!

[@4.budiyanto608]

Mereka angkat tangan loh pas mau ngomong. Keren sik..

[@biasbasabasi]

bahasa inggris mas : ) salam, sesama penggemar Idles : )

[@AndrewSmith-qw5kt]

Mary Berry loves Reggae

[@danjohnson7742]

Good stuff in here

[@mutlucangurbuz1573]

I feel like Joe is dominating these interviews that they do together as a band. I love their music, Joe and I are likeminded people too when it comes to politics, but pass the fucking mic mate. I wanna hear what the other guys have got to say.

[@thestuffmikedoes2309]

“We opened for a HUGE band but I need to hang on to my indie cred so I need to REALLY hammer the point that I WOULD NEVER listen to said band.” I know I know: you disagree with me. Let me be the first to say I don’t care if you disagree and I’m still a fan of this band and so are you so hey, we have that in common.

[@Misfits822]

The Stuff Mike Does. it is weird, foos are a great band. Yeah their last two albums are pretty bad but their early stuff is really good, probably the best live band and alot of their songs are rooted in punk. Does feel a bit "we're indie so we dont like big bands". Music is subjective at the ned of the day, so i dont really care who they like or not.

[@hodfranko8027]

As much as I like the band and a lot of their messages, I also feel that was pretty disrespectful and weirdly apologetic.

[@wickedlee664]

Hod Franko “disrespectful”.... hmm.... interesting.

[@hodfranko8027]

@@wickedlee664 What?

[@studieslessonstheoryetc141]

The Stuff Mike Does this was at BIMM. He’s talking to other musicians and making an honest point about the results they got from not being “too cool” to open for someone they weren’t into incase someone in the audience faces the same situation in the future.

[@jonunderscore]

Can we see the whole talk?

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

Unfortunately, this isn't something we are able to share.

[@tonymanero9814]

@@BIMMMusicInstitute why?

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

​@@tonymanero9814 Full masterclasses are currently something just reserved for our students, but we also only ever have permission from the artists to share specific sections of these masterclasses online.

[@nymbauten]

What a GREAT interview ! But why only 8 minutes ?

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

Hi there, these masterclasses are for our students, so we can only show some highlights here!

[@thestuffmikedoes2309]

I really like this band. Been listening to Brutalism for the past week now. But the whole “I never would choose to listen” to the Foo Fighters thing was so arrogant. And also the “changing our own narrative” for their decision to open for the Foo Fighters is literally the only reason any smaller band supports a bigger band: to reach a bigger audience. It’s arrogant to frame it to be something more special than it is

[@taylorpope823]

Was it arrogant or was it honesty that we never see with bands in this position?

[@thestuffmikedoes2309]

Taylor Pope I’m not saying it wasn’t honest. In fact, I’d say it IS honest. So let’s say it’s both-they’re not mutually exclusive by any means.

[@morgancockram9833]

I don’t see it as arrogance at all. I think Foo Fighters themselves are fully aware of how they’re perceived by smaller bands in the industry and know that the best thing they can do is give a bigger platform to lesser known talented bands. I think they were just being transparent and honest in how the experience was beneficial for them.

[@thestuffmikedoes2309]

M. HLC we’ll agree that it’s honest. We’ll disagree that it’s not arrogant to make it a point to stress that he would never listen to the band that is essentially handing him exposure and opportunity on a platter. While I understand why he would do this, I don’t see a need for it other than to hold on to some “indie cred”. Lame move-to me. Doesn’t take away from my enjoyment for this band, so hey, that’s good I guess. 👍

[@callumsutherland2954]

I'm not sure why people think that any concern for authenticity, any concern over whether they support the band they would be supporting, is either arrogance or pretentiousness -- why is it so outlandish to imagine that IDLES were having a genuine conversation about authenticity and the necessity of admiration in the relationship between headliners and support acts?

[@redbucket2]

I really like this band but if ur a big shot Ozzy Osborne, Metallica, Take That etc ur gonna think twice b4 letting IDLES support u after hearing this.

[@dj-mn4sc]

They are Uber SJW hipsters. Of course they don't listen to Foo Fighters, lol. Great band though.

[@DarknessOverflow]

I doubt it. You think the Foo's are daft? They know they're not hip. They can see the ocean of graying hair in front of them every night they play. If anything, you want a fresh band like IDLES to step up to the plate and bring a younger demographic back in.

[@Tomidsch]

Why aren't you able to share the full talk? This is a very interesting insight to a band on the rise who speaks their mind about what can be such a lucrative industry - yet you withhold the full talk? So much valuable information could be taken from this for young, more grassroots projects and bands, (and also for people who have been in the industry for longer) this yet you only share 8 minutes? How do we expect people to progress when honest knowledge and advice isn't shared?

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

Hey there. You make a great point about the value of these and it is a shame we can't share them in full, especially this one in particular as the IDLES guys are so great. The main reason is that these masterclasses are something we offer exclusively for our students (most of whom are part of these grassroots projects and bands), but we also only ever have the rights from the bands/artists to share select sections of the talks too. So sharing the full videos is very rarely an option unfortunately... However, for longer form content for all we also have a podcast which we'll be releasing some great new episodes of soon. Hopefully some of the IDLES guys will join on that in the not too distant future! ;)

[@southapedia3471]

make money out of poverty its the biggest usp sing about the poor and enjoy your holiday in cambodia

[@TheJames3652]

I. Fucking. Love idelesxxx

[@memetotheextreme6775]

Fucking awesome

[@d_walsh]

Dave Grohl had to stand side stage and say. Oh damn these guys are smokin us. Good. Ffffff the fooooo

[@-joe90]

bourgeois bohème

[@horrorfreaklondon3037]

Never ever be cool........tick

[@dontaskwhatkindofmusic]

did he say "we fucked kudos off?"

[@BIMMMusicInstitute]

indeed ;)

[@dontaskwhatkindofmusic]

BIMM dope

[@dazdavison1]

Joe chats bollocks tho, he said at rock city gig that there not a punk band.....erm!! So what is the sound that you have ?? I would say it was punk , unless they’ve created a whole new style that no ones ever heard of .

[@lukebrockman4183]

they play punk rock i guess but probably don't really consider themselves "punk" ya know? people love to argue about what is and isn't punk and they'd probably just rather avoid that label

[@dazdavison1]

Luke Brockman sorry but if Eminem said he wasn’t rap and didn’t want to be classed as a rap star then , I would say ok create your own genre and we will remove any link to you being a rap star i.e. on the front of rap magazines winning rap accolades , removing his name in rap artist sections at music shops on iTunes etc.. see how far he would get then. Punk can be music fashion cooking a way of thinking anything.....

[@carywhitt]

He just doesn't want IDLES labeled so narrowly.

[@RickyPTstop]

He actually said that they play "heavy post punk"

[@titoaldunate]

Punk in the 70s split into two fronts: you were either a give no fucks, destroy society Pistols type of guy, or the more socially conscious side with The Clash. Punk is more associated by people with the first type, so maybe these guys wanted to distance themselves from that

[@georgdreck3202]

Don't tell me what to do.

[@olbeef250]

No kudos in liking foo fighters. That says it all

[@derektrotter4287]

Shall we do this?? Send a jigsaw? All a bit of a contradiction . I starting to think they think there too cool for school.

[@thestuffmikedoes2309]

Derek Trotter lol yeah. I get that sense too, although I am a fan of the music.

[@derektrotter4287]

Yeah music brilliant. Just they talk lots of crap!

[@wickedlee664]

Derek Trotter they need to know their place eh? That’s why all you “fans” hate hipsters isn’t it? They are just to uppity.

[@derektrotter4287]

Chad Allen what you talking about hate hipsters! ? I couldn’t give a fuck about hipsters! Just think there trying to hard to be controversial and cool

[@derektrotter4287]

Chad Allen hipsters is that a sub culture?

[@peterproleet8141]

It is people like this Joe that scare me the most. Yes, i was part of it but i didn't mean it. I wouldn't last a day in this band with priest as a frontman. The way they all agree all of the time is telling. Childeren i know you have to form your identity but just don't let a band do it for ya. interact with the world and find out for yourselves.

[@michaeldaly7658]

Damn I like idles but hearing them talk like this is soooo off putting. "Not a cool move" ughhhh the only thing that that not cool is that kind of mindset.

[@h.j.w2783]

3:38 - This guy tries way too hard

[@jimsy5530]

Which is why they're getting places.

[@elipena2920]

Don't play it cool. No one cares.

[@notekno1]

He's drunk.

[@truthhurts3479]

I like this band,but if the kids think it’s cool to bash on the band who let you open up for them . How lucky can you be to play for a crowd that will be open minded. To you’re music. Think about the first foo fighters album . It’s one of the best albums of the l late 90’s . David ghrol has paid his Indy dues . Until this band has a few great albums under their belt they should stfu .about what they think of the foo fighters . Or that you were not paid enough for how many people were there.. Don’t get me wrong I think the idles are great .. the lead singer claims to be a socialist . Maybe all bands should be paid the same no matter how many units they sale .

[@django3422]

He's not bashing on the band, he's being honest with the youngsters about how they shouldn't let their personal tastes get in the way of them grasping opportunities while also making it clear that they should manage expectations in regards to how well certain opportunities might pay. Personal opinions and politics aside, those sound like good lessons to be giving youngsters about to get into the music industry.

[@truthhurts3479]

@@django3422 i was in a band i had connections from Seattle through management! I cant express how cool some of the most popular bands at the time where to my band! I got to open up for one that changed my life! The idols will find it very hard just like RATM to hold their values and try to be socialist too

[@django3422]

@@truthhurts3479 He isn't talking about personal values, just personal taste.

[@truthhurts3479]

@@django3422 im sure they know how hard it is to make it in the business ! People where upset when Lou Reed did an American express commercial ! What im trying to tell you is. The idols will never get more exposure for their band then they got with the foo fighters ever! You have a message you want more people to hear ? You want a movement? What i want you to understand in this world you need people to do anything ! I might not like some of my friends music thats personal taste! I met Dave a few times , and he is one of the nicest. Dudes you will ever meet. Can you imagine. Prince covering your song? As a musician not one idol comes close! Think about what Dave was apart of ! I know you think im missing the point ! Are the idols still a band? No really

[@django3422]

@@truthhurts3479 I think you are missing the point because that's basically what Joe is saying in this video. And are they a band? ... yes.