TWGC Topic #11 Part C - 1984 June and November (plus talking points)

[@cityandsuburb]

As a citizen of the country involved in sending an officer of the Hereford Mob to advise the disgusting premier later killed, I must state that the VAST MAJORITY of my fellow countrymen would NEVER have sanctioned such action against our Sikh brothers and sisters..... I sit here ashamed & deeply moved by this news... This information is a total revelation to me, so a thousand thanks for uploading this document... Saying that, I do have a particular Sikh friend here in Britain, who's Father was present during the actions at Amritsar, he very seldom mentions the details, but has told me that his Father is here in hiding - because he was involved in organising the latter justice handed out by certain of her bodyguards. Now I can understand just how serious his secrecy is. I had to stop the programme & come back to it later - due to the details being so painful to hear.... If possible, please at least read of my genuine love & respect for my Sikh brothers and sisters, these are not hollow words... Gus, England.

[@sd8c]

Jagraj is a true revolutionary!

[@S.S.D200]

The last discussion reminds me about what bhai jeevan singh said once at a Khalistan rally, "Khalistan mangan valeo, pehlai Khalsa bano!"

[@cityandsuburb]

With respect, please translate Satpaul....

[@harmansingh3653]

G ELGAR. “You people that ask for Khalistan first become a Khalsa!”

[@awesomestevie27]

I think about taking Amrit I honestly do, but at the same time was Ranjit Singh not the Maharaja of Khalistan in the 1800s did he take Amrit ? No and he still managed the richest more peaceful empire making it peaceful by making it the strongest military power in the world

[@jkvlondon]

Veer ji , we don't want Khalistan , we want one Khalsa , panthic unity under one Father ...serving the need for justice for the oppressed throughout the globe . That is the goal , firstly by Gursikhs bringing their gian to the table ...Nihungs , babbar khalsa their shastar vidhiya , AKJ, Taksalis Naam Sewa ...Sant Mat , Nanaksar nimrata and daya ....then we will will have missls providing the training of a pooran purush i.e. Khalsa

[@Neklank]

The GOI had plenty of chances to arrest Sant Ji prior to the attack in the 80's but chose not to. The purpose of attacking the nucleus of Sikhi and from what I gather 52 other Gurdwarey simultaneously was to break the spirit of the Sikhs and their power. This worked in India but re-ignited sleeping Sikhs in the West. The statement that it was difficult to find 5 Sikhs to prepare Amrit prior to the attack in the West is true in the early 60-70's but not 80's. For Sikhs to be in charge of a bank, we need trustworthy individuals. Sikh leaders at present are not a shining example, they are corrupt as they come - top down. There is no reason why we cannot have a Bank. Even the Vatican has one, but even that has been embroiled in controversy a path we cannot afford to go down. Enemies of the Sikhs will always try and destroy chardikala of Sikhi and going forward we need to be wise to this. I was fortunate that my father was heavily involved in the ISYF back in the day so 84-mid 90's we always talked about the sickening events in India. But the ISYF was easily infiltrated as were the groups in India. The snake like GOI was many steps ahead of the Sikhs and had spies everywhere. They also employed Hindus to dress and look like Sikhs to murder their own kind just to discredit the then Khalistan movement. More damage was caused to Sikhs during the 90's than at any other time, through false encounters, torture and murder of up to 50 Sikhs mainly men per day but this included women and children. I hope you cover this era as well.

[@cityandsuburb]

I'm very surprised to hear your assessment of Sikh corruption levels Mr Singh, all my Sikh chums are honest, hard working chaps... The speaker is correct in stating that Sikh children are raised to be farmers, soldiers or construction workers....!! (I am a heating engineer...)

[@siddave549]

Wait so Indian government used to dress up Hindus as Sikhs and have them killed? really you believe that?

[@Neklank]

@@siddave549 💯

[@TheTurbanatore]

KHALISTAN ZINDABAD!!!

[@musk2494]

I got disheartened but you’re right! God first world will be put in place by Gurbani through us if it pleases Waheguru.

[@kamal2046]

Paaji how can you talk about all these stuff i had to pause the video and take some rest

[@cityandsuburb]

So did I Mr Singh......

[@babloo1666]

Subheg Singh is also the descendant of Bhai Mehtab Singh, who along with Bhai Sukha Singh took masa rangar's head

[@babloo1666]

***** yea i know, but General Subheg Singh is a biological descendent of Bhai Mehtab Singh

[@cityandsuburb]

Good-grief Babloo1666, Sikh genealogy is more complex than Greek mythology.....!!

[@RanjitSingh-cb8kn]

Khalsa ji very good true speech

[@babloo1666]

towards the end, i've heard this before, but where did you hear that the spirits of martyred freedom fighters are being born again??

[@cityandsuburb]

Fantastic....!!

[@dipindersingh1215]

Paaven oh jinne marzi Sikh mar Len lekin sikhi nahi mar sakde Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!

[@simpu_smart]

Sikh@pls nt misunderstand this video nt for klasitan or etc This VIDEO ABT TRUTH WHICH SHOULD B HEAR N PROUD TO B SIKH

[@skjindal63]

When the body and jot was one, in the times of sikh gurus things were perfect in the panth. Now the situation is bit different, they are separated, the body is khalsa and the jot is sriguru granth sahib. Thats where the difficulty in running the affairs of panth comes in being.

[@shivashankar28]

I am ashamed to be born in India ! WTF ! Why is India such a BS !!! Horrifying sadly, I wasn't born at that time :(

[@GurcharanDhillon]

Brother you don't need to be ashamed. Humanity is above everything. Thanks for standing with us. One thing I'll to share that even Gautma Sidhthartha Budhha ji was forced to run away from Bharat's (India) land. The reason is that orthodox brahmins doesn't want to share Bharat's land/environment with any other ideology.

[@trueperson6870]

@@GurcharanDhillon ਭਾਜੀ ਏ ਸਬ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਨਾ ਕਰੋ। ਕਿਸੇ ਵੀ ਬਰਾਮਨ ਤੇ ਮਹੰਤ ਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਬੋਲਿ ਠੀਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ। ਏ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਕਰਕੇ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਨਫ਼ਰਤ ਭੜਾ ਰੇ ਨੇ । ਇਸ ਚੀਜ਼ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਪ੍ਰੂਫ਼ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਕੋਲ। ਬੁੱਧਾ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣ ਵਾਦ ਏ ਝੂਠੀਆਂ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਨਾ ਕਰੋ। ਸਾਨੂੰ ਏ ਸਬ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਿਖਾਇਆ । ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ 🙏

[@siddave549]

@@GurcharanDhillon LOL buddha died in uttar pradesh. What are you talking about? And it was actually Buddhist brahmins who took Buddhism out of India to east asia...

[@gaganb1159]

raj bina nahi dharam chalai hai,dharam bina sab dalai malai hai

[@jsksingh88]

I can debate a lot of points !!! Here !! I am a great fan of Jagrowat Singh though and his reasoning. In this case, I think there is too much simplification of events. My Dad was there and he saw the whole thing. The best ppl to talk about this are those who lived in punjab before 1984.

[@awesomestevie27]

Similar thing happened in Gujrat under modi in 2002 Similar thing is happened in manipur this year India was never a democracy

[@tvaccount6896]

1:10:00 Vaheguru

[@gaganb1159]

sir please tell me if jews can have their land why we cant, israel is just 20000 km area

[@babloo1666]

Because the Indian govt and it's supporters need someone to bash around from time to time, someone they can scapegoat and take their anger out on

[@cityandsuburb]

Good question Gagan Deep, why indeed....?

[@skjindal63]

Partition of punjab is the biggest mistake

[@Tircasso]

Based Kamal Nath and Jagdish

[@Diljeetdosanj]

Why every year Sikh population decrease in india

[@jasrandhawa4794]

MANPREET HUNDAL migration to canada

[@cityandsuburb]

Come to Britain please.....??

[@atheistatheist5851]

Every week thousand people going to western.crazy punjabi..

[@munny0051]

Sikhs Must have their own independent nation...there is nothing wrong in Sikh their own independent country..in most of the part of this video i am agree but at the end part of this video iam not agree and it does't make any sense..some of the points u raise earlier related to 'before 1947 Punjab' if Sikhs got their own nation wth democracy where Sikhs got 20% of all independent Punjab population with majority of Muslims and Sikhs would minority in their own country.. most of the time it is not population who give rights or liberty to ppl but its the constitution/laws of that nation who gives the liberty or freedom of expression to the ppl of nation but indian constitution is not in favour of Sikhs its against Sikhs it does't believe Sikhs as a Sikh..in Sikhs own country it does't too much matter if Sikhs r minority or not its the constitution who gives the = rights,justice..see present condition Sikhs r 1.6% in ind and they r still somehow surviving..Muslims got 13% and they have heavy vote bank and can change the game..if Sikhs had 20% of population is't it batter then 1.6%...the problem is ppl did't know anything about Sikhs nation..Sikhs r still confuse where to go..Sikhs should be clear on their own independent nation without any question..its the only way...

[@cityandsuburb]

The Sikhs have Southall, or at least they must be the largest property owning, wealthiest & most powerful demographic there...?

[@awesomestevie27]

Yea I mean the Sikh empire Sikhs were only 10-12% of the population Sikh laws and Sikh based gov are what are important What did Bandha Singh Bahadur do ? Create Khalistan And once Ranjit Singh Made the Army the strongest in the world and even a lil before that Khalistan became the safest and richest place on earth

[@professormyst3736]

Where was the UN

[@sukhmanjot823]

Total media blackout and emergency was called

[@TaranBKAUR]

1:22:53 🙏🏽❤

[@aperture0]

I'm ashamed as an Indian.

[@50ssb82]

Then help Sikhs get justice…

[@mujikonly4tanu]

The Gandhi family has parsi heritage, not muslim.

[@guruword8378]

very nice but kamal nath and amitabh bachan were only accused but rest were involved and during the riots most Sikhs didn't respond but there were some so called khalistanis that did kill hindus after the riots and you say they should be called khans but that is false Feroze Gandhi was parsi not a muslim while Nehru was a kashmiri pandit

[@kingfugazi]

It's a model. If I may suggest, identify social groups (in my mind Africans in the US, Celtics in "UK", paralleled with Astralians, contrasted with Afrikaans). There is a fundemental psychological formula. You find it referenced in Titus Livius', "The History of Rome", Book 1. Likewise in "The Prince", Machiavelli. I would say most tragically, & fantastically, if you can discover how Jews & Celts reflect it, similarly to the massive South American "Catholic" strongholds, (almost "midterm" status), you can have a better grasp. The most important lesson to learn: the weapon of conquest, most devastating, is The Republic (i.e. Fascism). Without an active "purpose", cowards don't exist. To beguile you: if Sikhism, plebiscitally (kids too), declared Nuclear Tech a religious evil, all the culprits of this being included by default, & every other major world religion: Sikhism will either be crushed by the common folk the world over, or..... turned to for help from the helpless (Marshall Islanders, Scottish, Japanese, Americans, etc.). If it's a war, as you depict it, what would it take to win? What risk obstructs victory? Or will Sikhs become just another "assimilated" (conquered) relic?

[@siddave549]

So basically in his reasoning, Mr Bhindranwale was actually defending the temple because he learned that Indian army was going to attack and the plans were made in 1982. Yeah thanks, that is so believable... I think people need to realize and look at history not from the lends they want to with all of their biases but from what was happening. He is attributing the most noble and righteous causes to Bhindranwale and his thugs and making it look like that Indian army was the aggressor. If Bhindranwale and his gang would not have fortified the temple, then no such thing would have happened. Want a similar example? there was another thug called Rampal in Haryana who had fortified his ashram. Now the army was not needed there but the police did enter the ashram forcefully and people did die. Don't take the law in your hands and nothing would happen...

[@tanishpalsingh6902]

Your thoughts on 1955 attack on HARMANDIR SAHIB?

[@siddave549]

@@tanishpalsingh6902 We can say it was wrong and the government should have tried something else. But what is your thoughts on fortifying a religious place of worship with guns? Do you think that is okay? What do you think Canadian and US government will do if confronted with such a situation?

[@tanishpalsingh6902]

@@siddave549 as a sikh I truly support it the WEAPONS and all kharkus were in akal takht, it is place where WEAPONS are kept above GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI MAHARAJ , our GURUS ordered us to be ready upon ready , and us and Canada, will never face this issue atleast they are not trying to press sikhs and hurt their religious believe .

[@tanishpalsingh6902]

@@siddave549 you just say that is was wrong tell me the reason for it?

[@siddave549]

@@tanishpalsingh6902 look obviously for any religious place to be surrounded by an army is not a good idea and people’s feelings would be hurt but even more offensive than that is hiding in a temple , using it as a playground for illegal activities and arming your supporters there. That is also very very wrong…

[@ieeTube]

Hindus and Sikhs are brothers. Sikhs have always defended and fought for Hindus in history.

[@saintsolider3359]

This is not a Sikh-Hindu issue. This is about the Indian goverment oppressing and try to kill off Sikhi.

[@GurcharanDhillon]

You mean Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and all others are not Hindu's brother?? In my opinion Humanity is above all. All religions are respectful.

[@helloeveryone4834]

Hindu did nothing to stop the riots

[@ਪ੍ਰੀਤਸਿੱਧੂ]

@@helloeveryone4834 actually some did in Delhi. They laid in front of Sikh shops and homes to save mob from burning them. They even gave shelter to Sikhs.