TWICE 96/97 Line: Why ultimately Mina still call Jeongyeon Unnie

[@bluedamancy]

I see that Mina is really respectful to someone older than her and younger than her

[@nANNo999]

Mina such a respectful to Jeongyeon ehehe

[@raiajulliene7968]

mina: *calls jeonyeon, eonnie also mina: YA! jeongyeon eonnie

[@missmfs4424]

🤣 competitive mina wants to win that she slips

[@thebtwc6499]

I love how Mina can say what she feels now. Before she won't say anything but now she is opening up. This is the example, before she does not want to stop calling Jeong unnie but only reasons out it's a habit but now she can honestly say that she wishes to have someone older than her, an unnie. Moreover, Jeong is very understanding, it's like she knows what the members really feel. Uwuuuuu

[@janikozoki]

In the Philippines, we also use the Korean age addressing system where even a day or month older we call them "Ate"(Unnie) no matter what. It is a culture or a habit we developed even strangers we call them Unni regardless of age to insist or express respect towards strangers.

[@MesmerizingMina]

Thanks for sharing, I didn’t know that

[@phaielen3468]

But when we're talking to cousins or relatives some use who's parents are much older some call it "panganay sa dugo" literally translate to "older by blood" that's why some people much older than you can call you 'ate' or 'kuya' if your parent is much more older than them

[@geem3166]

Not all Filipino stick with that, if the age gap between us is big (like 3 years and above, that's where the honorifics starts, but sometimes it depends on the relationship or bond they have,) there are times that even the age gap is 5 years, if you're comfortable with that person and seeing him/her as friend/same age, there's no honorifics involved.. right? Except if it's your siblings.. Now if the age gap is just 2 years and below, i can say only a small percentage of Filipino population uses honorifics woth that age gap.. im talking about modern day btw Especially most filipinos doesn't follow family planning 😝🤣🤣

[@Caspian_Xx]

It's not only Philippines bro it's common in 90% of the Asian countries where older people are addressed with an honorifics.

[@EroneePrasad]

“I want one more senior” Nayeon: 🙄 😂

[@miaoyeon2406]

Simply put, Mina likes to be pampered and cared for as she has always been the youngest of the groups she has been in. MoSa is the same age as her in both Korea and Japan so she cannot be treated as the youngest, Momo has said several times that Mina seems more unnie than her when MoSaMi is together because she is attentive and takes great care of her. momo. The same goes for ChaeDaTzu being the minors she has to take care of them. Jihyo is the same age that she can't be her unnie either. Only Jeongyeon and Nayeon are left to call as Unnie. Mina has always shown the desire to be the maknen in two times when asked which member wants to switch roles, she always chooses tzuyu for being the maknen, even though Nayeon calls her unnie because of the difference, she does not fulfill her wishes why Nayeon She treats her in the same way as MoSaJiDa even though dahyun belongs to the maknen line Dahyun is generally not cared for since ChaTzu are the young ones. It is Jeongyeon who fulfills her wishes to be cared for and pampered, she also fulfills her wish to be treated as the makne within the group so Mina will not stop calling anie Jeongyeon, even though she is the same age as in Korea

[@MesmerizingMina]

That’s a very good summary on Mina desire!! And Jeongyeon always take good care of Mina which makes Mina feels loved. Her ideal type is also someone who can take care of her.

[@miaoyeon2406]

@@MesmerizingMina Thank you very much for understanding my comment, English is not my first language and I sometimes get confused when I write. I highlight that because it is what I have noticed in JeongMi, Mina likes to be taken care of and jeongyeon is the type to take care of people and be empathetic. She also complements herself in what the other lacks. Mina can be a bit childish and playful to subtly show her manly side with jeongyeon. While jeongyeon I can show her joker side of her, cute and feminine of her with Mina. That's what makes the ship charming.

[@MesmerizingMina]

Agreed with what you said. They complement each other well. Hence it’s always fun to watch them together. You get to see things at your least expected.

[@eiojie]

I'm glad I am not the only one who could see Mina's playful boyish side and Jeongyeon's corny feminine side. Thank you for mentioning it @@miaoyeon2406 . This is indeed very evident when JeongMi are together. It really validates that they are comfortable with each other because their true colors are showing all the time. It's funny how they sometimes forget or even do not care that there are cameras everywhere. It's normally the other members that tend to reminds them of it or even cover up the situation for them . . . cute.

[@sophiagallegosyarrow6417]

You just missed that Mosa are older than Mina in Korea 0:16 and also Jeongyeon, she is older than Mina in Korea

[@debishvebishwish4839]

Basically this means Jeongyeon just let Mina call her whatever she want (Jeongyeon just give up on trying)

[@SeikiRikodou]

Goodness this Korean age system is complicated that we need a chart like were analyzing a crime XD. I understand it though it took a while LOL.

[@STLUCIANIDOL91]

Without the cultural context, it looks funny seeing Jeongyeon announcing that she’s finally friends with Mina. 😁 I’m a relatively new fan of Twice, and I was introduced to Korean honourifics through SNSD. Since everyone in SNSD is technically Korean, the honourifics are straight forward for the most part. With Twice, we’re dealing with members of multiple ethnicities/nationalities so it’s fascinating to see how they navigate around that. I think your video does a good job explaining this. 👍🏽

[@Haruhi-chan]

I believe at first it was really just for formality. But over time, I think it became some sort of endearment. Mina couldn't just take out the "unnie" anymore because I think it has become the very way she sweetly and comfortably say and call Jeongyeon's name.

[@onlytheflowerknow]

"anyone who takes care of you is unni" 🥺🥺🥺 stop I can't do this this is too soft

[@LeggoKaylaSamps]

Thanks for breaking it down I love this video

[@tamnamina7488]

Ah youtube recommendation is so great, i have been wondering for this for about 3 year already, finally i found the answer 😂 Thx u ❤️

[@MesmerizingMina]

Glad it cleared your doubts 😆

[@jeremywest5677]

happy birthday jihyo 😍

[@richardrichard4029]

I didnt know this was a thing but its fascinating as are all things twice related. I kinda got confused with the venn diagram of ages and names but then it all made sense. Awesome vid.

[@nANNo999]

In other words, Mina like Jeongyeon 🤭 #JeongMi

[@sheinaguirre6427]

hahahaha... seems legit!

[@pithekjawa]

Couldn't agree more haha

[@fantasyfan6037]

Thank you for making this and explaining it so well!

[@panpanjeong]

You should've give me a warning before the very end... I had my volume increased since Mina's talking soooo softly but suddenly yA JEONGYEON UNNIE 😂😂😂

[@MesmerizingMina]

Hahaha it’s a good surprise 😝

[@engrpoks]

I think Mina calling Jeongyeon an unnie now is like an endearment/force of habit because they're close/'friends' enough for JY to let MN call her 'yah' (a very informal term for friends of the same age/close friends), while Nayeon doesn't let Momo do the same (birthday vlive) even though those two are really close, friendship-wise.

[@hellenan3066]

Which vlive was this? I want to know

[@engrpoks]

@@hellenan3066 I don't remember the title but it was Mina's birthday vlive in 2017. Momo said "yah" and Nayeon acted offended. Key word: acted. 😂

[@eiojie]

At the end of the day, it all boils down to "respect" plus force of habit. Mina's actions and intentions are deeply rooted from her care, love, affection and administration for Jeongyeon. May it be platonic or romantic, we will never know. It may even be a cross-over of both which is just as complicated as the 96 & 97 line situation. Anyway, Love is indeed very complicated, so let's stop trying to give clarity to it. What's important is that we can feel and see it present in the two of them since the start. 😉

[@akabane_P]

In Korean, 'Friend' also means 'be the same age' Like, "Are you 20 yrs old? Me too! So we're friends!"(even if it's the first time they've ever met!) If the age is not same, no matter how friendly they are to each other, we don't count this relation as "friends" But nowadays, people in different ages can also be thought as friends but it rarely happens

[@MesmerizingMina]

But do people talk informally to their “friends” who are older than them??

[@akabane_P]

@@MesmerizingMina we can talk informally to older hyung, oppa, nuna, unnie But to call the relationship "friends", the elder one must admit it first because "friend" implies the meaning of "same age" so strongly e.g) A "Oh, you guys are really close and friendly to each other, you must be friends." B "You know, we're not friends, we're just hyung-dongsaeng(elder male-younger male) relationship. We're not the same age."(but in the greater common context, they're friends. Only in Korean doesn't it make sense.) or B "Yes, we're friends beyond the wall of ages."

[@akabane_P]

To understand it easy, think about the relationships of Twice. Maknaes talk informally to unnies, and they are really intimate friends to each other. They're friends without doubt in every country but in Korea it doesn't work. Dahyun would not think Jihyo as a friend, vice versa, but Jihyo would think Jeongyeon as a friend, only because of the age, no matter how close they are. It's quite complicated lol

[@akabane_P]

So, the concept of 'friends' does exist, indeed. But 친구(chingu, literally means friends) is used especially in the relationship where they are the same age.

[@MesmerizingMina]

Wow thanks for the explanation! So does this means it’s quite exceptional that jeongyeon initiate that she wants Mina to be her chingu?

[@yohi_xx]

this is a really good video

[@MesmerizingMina]

Thank you :)

[@hamira94]

Understood now. Thanks bro :)

[@Ckamaya]

I think South Korea is the ONLY country that sticks with their historical age system whereas everywhere else is using an International age. That's why.

[@boredbear19999]

Not only korea .. My country is same as this 🇱🇰

[@bluebee29]

That's not true. Many Asian cultures (not just East Asia btw, also South Asia and Southeast Asia) use honorifics when talking to people older than them (international age ofc), not only South Korea. It is a sign of respect. It is up to the older person if they want to be called informally usually. But imho it's stricter in Korea and Japan.

[@ohkhinme]

@@bluebee29 true I'm from myanmar and one of my classmates happened to be a year older than me but she wants me to call her by her name and we became friends but my cousin who is one month younger than me addresses me as her older sister even before we know what it means(bc of asian parents) so like it's become a habit and she can't seem to call me by my name now

[@sr_echo]

This is a cool talk about addressing someone by age (honorifics, I guess) You wouldn’t even know they could call each other friends like this, bc it made sense that Mina was already the youngest having to call jeongyeon “unnie.” Either way, it’s an interesting look into twice!

[@sergiovasquez8154]

So, I can be friend of 96 line and jihyo (Argentina starts school in march too). Nayeon will be my noona and I will be oppa for rest of group. Your video helps to understand seniority, thanks.

[@andreaoak]

I like your system better, just che everyone.

[@thebtwc6499]

3:30 Mina still likes to call Jeong unnie but too shy to say it

[@ateezmingi2867]

Like seriously jeo can be unnie and friend to Mina ... I miss them together

[@tommyo2450]

Bottom line is they are all true friends and sisters to each other regardless of age (of which there is minimal difference really) or culture etc...They are just that close..

[@rdc.jy_piece]

#Mina is Respect #Jeongyeon because she taking care as a mother so, She express her gratitude to her as Unnie 💚 #Jeongyeon is a Guardian Angel of #TWICE

[@Remarkable269]

Every once needs to watch this video to understand! I finally got it cause i was wondering my self

[@ChloeSharika]

Also in my country if someone is 1 year older than you, you guys can decide if you want the other to call u sister or just be friends. Other than that once you know someone is older than you u need to call them sister in my country too.

[@minari1637]

Because jeongyeon is mina’s sister in Korea. 😊

미나: 챙겨주는 사람은 다 언니에요. ㅎㅎㅎ

[@user-fe6jj1io7c]

in conclusion: we all are friends with jihyo 🥰🥰

[@bluedamancy]

I wonder about, Mina should in Unnie line or Maknae line? Since she is same age with Jihyo, but Jihyo is friend with Jeongyeon, but Mina is too respectful to call Jeongyeon than Jeongyeon unnie. And Jeongyeon wants Mina call her without unnie. Mina is friend with MoSa (in Japan) and Jihyo (same year born and Ji just older than her 1 month) and still older than DaChaeTzu...

[@MesmerizingMina]

Mina always prefer herself to be in maknae line, because she is the 4th youngest.

[@hawwinhudaya]

@@MesmerizingMina I remember that likey showcase where she wants to be in maknae line

[@hawwinhudaya]

*what is love

[@thebtwc6499]

This is good because a lot are still confused who are the middle kids line or if Mina is included in the maknae line.

[@SerenaConte]

And she continues to call her Unnie even now

[@izfun]

I didnt knew that korean and japan started their school education abit late meanwhile my country started as early as possible (jan) so each of student belong to the years thy are born

[@twicejjang8815]

My Classmate is born on December 2006 and I'm January 2007 she is just one month old to me so I Don't use honorifics to her like jihyo did.

[@k.m.5243]

It's really that complicated 😅🙌🏻

[@jmanig76]

Those baby pictures tho

[@abudujannah7646]

Momo and Sana also address Jeongyeon as unnie at early.

[@MesmerizingMina]

I can't remember, but could had happened

[@mbapp3935]

jeongyeon is like the most serious xd

[@YHelloThereOldSport]

Because Jeongyeon is older than Mina by birth, irregardless of school years

[@MesmerizingMina]

Yes but because there’s jihyo who’s the same birth year as Mina but doesn’t call Jeongyeon unnie 😂

[@Minasi347]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@tharntypesdaughter]

I guess Jihyo is 1 year older than Mina in Korean age system because Jihyo is Korean and Mina isn't so Mina becomes same age as Dahyun in Korean age systen ❤️

[@MesmerizingMina]

Mina is still older than Dahyun. 1997 and 1998

[@once924]

Imagine Chaeyoung was born on March(no more Unnie lol).

[@abdaf8706]

It's not actually that complicated. Just Mina made it complicated.

[@farrahannah9687]

Tzuyu👀👀

[@nminxs2446]

lol it’s nothing about her on here

[@tasfianafi6578]

Wait....so...I actually share birthday with Momo???😶😶

[@rrlaude5639]

Wow unnie lahat sila jn?jeongyeon yea me lang sya jud ... l actually share

[@معكامتشايونقشخصيااياستفسار]

Momoring Satang🥺.

[@ilovebacon0302]

what about Nayeon??

[@MesmerizingMina]

Still their unnie regardless. She’s at least a year older than them

[@nashitazahin9402]

Yes, she’s everyone’s unnie.

[@anara8287]

I have a question for ONCES. Does jihyo call jeong sana and momo unnies??

[@GraceDA324]

On many public occasions or shows, no. Jihyo calls JeongMoSa with their names. Nayeon is the only one Jihyo calls "unnie".

[@GraceDA324]

Also, in formal situation, without calling "unnie", usually Jihyo address everyone (except Nayeon) by adding "-ssi" after their names: Momo-ssi, Sana-ssi, Mina-ssi, Dahyun-ssi, Chaeyoung-ssi, Tzuyu-ssi. The prefix -ssi is neutral and used in formal situation, and can be used for strangers who seem the same age for you or below your age. While for Nayeon, Jihyo still calls her Nayeon-unnie, whether in formal or informal situations.

[@deliara4419]

Why when Mina called JY "Unnie" in protest. Meanwhile, JY called Nayeon "Unnie" too but no one protested. It's weird in my opinion. Is there a problem if we call older people "unnie"? Is it just a protest that each does not like the call. In my opinion, 1 member is only 1 year apart, it's still normal to be friends. Being called brother will look awkward and that's what makes sometimes the members can't give each other's opinion. And only the old can argue, I don't think that's good, The point is that maturity cannot be measured by age. I think the younger TWICE members are more mature in their minds than the older ones I think it's only natural. The essence of the members is the cohesiveness of a team.

[@MesmerizingMina]

It's a korean culture that you call someone older than you by unnie, older as in by year. Nayeon is born in 1995, 2nd oldest Jeongyeon is born in 1996, so naturally everyone has to call Nayeon unnie too. Nothing to do with being mature or not. They still treat each other like friends by not speaking formally.

[@blackpinkandbtsworlddomina6988]

Can this go for blackpink as well like for example Jennie doesn’t have to call jisoo since she is a early line of 96 and rosé and Lisa doesn’t have to call Jennie unnie because they’re both early liners of 97

[@MesmerizingMina]

Could be. But from what I had research, jisoo is early 95, Jennie early 96, rose early 97, Lisa semi early 97. So actually Jennie would still need to call jisoo unnie since jisoo are friends with 94. And Lisa and rose would have to call Jennie unnie too since jennie are friends with 95. It’s quite complex as most of them are early born but I guess they just agree among themselves on whether to address as unnie.

[@blackpinkandbtsworlddomina6988]

@@MesmerizingMina oh ok thanks

[@blackpinkandbtsworlddomina6988]

@@MesmerizingMina wait this is random but does jihyo (Twice) have to call Jennie ( Blackpink) unnie since Jennie is a early 96liner and jihyo is a early 97liner

[@MesmerizingMina]

@@blackpinkandbtsworlddomina6988 Wow that's a tough question, I won't be able to answer it haha as I'm not sure how the dynamic works for blackpink. By right if an early 96 liner are friends with 95 liner, then yes, an early 97 liner who are friends with 96 liners still have to call the early 96 liner unnie. I think it depends on how they want it to be, it could get complicated haha.

[@blackpinkandbtsworlddomina6988]

@@MesmerizingMina oh ok thanks 😊, I ask cause there’s a video where jihyo was calling Jennie’s name and she didn’t address her as unnie

[@Darkangelike]

I think, deep down it is because of all these things: 1) Mina is Japanese. Honorifics are very important there. It is no wonder why, when people get close in Japan, it is very embarrassing that they start addressing each other without honorifics or a title. You can easily see this in anime/manga too. 2) Korea also uses some kinds of honorifics/titles to address people out of respect. 3) Mina is a very respectful person, thus she tries to always be mindful of her manners (She embodies elegance duh!) so she respects as much as she can, laws and rules in general. (Think of when she has to act... she always stays true to the character she is given). Given that she is a foreigner, she does even more efforts to respect Korea's culture. 4) Jeongyeon is the one person she HAS to address as unnie if she had to follow the Korean respect rules. Naturally, Mina started calling her unnie. And thus, as she stated in the video, it is too difficult after that to change her way to address Jeongyeon. Basically, Mina is an anime/manga character who is still way too embarrassed 😳

[@brlylvr]

this is too complicated

[@MesmerizingMina]

😂😂 hope you managed to understand it

[@sheinaguirre6427]

I'm with you. what does it mean if you are "friends"?

[@lerinorthcott]

@@sheinaguirre6427 means you are the same age. no hierarchy between you two.