TWICE (트와이스) - 1, 3, 2 (JY, MN, TY) [Chorus Invertion And Comparison]

[@DDP121]

the invertion in songs, is a method to know if some vocals or instruments are different or the same, between two tracks respectively. if between both (with the invertion apply) some instruments or voices are removed (cancelled), that means are the same in both tracks, if is still there that means are different. in this case, i use that technique in both choruses from 1, 3, 2, some syllables are cancelled, that means those syllables are one member, not two like the full chorus apparent (between JY or Mina, and between JY or TY respectively). other example is Love Foolish chorus, in live is marked are two members in different times, but if is apply this method, the full chorus is cancelled, that means is only one member and for that is marked like only Chaeyoung in studio version.

[@corneiz_bp_tw8240]

You only know it's one voice. Pero cómo sabes que es Chaeyoung y no Dahyun...

[@DDP121]

@@corneiz_bp_tw8240simplemente me suena más a Chae que a Dahyun, especialmente en el “hate you”, aparte de las 4 mitades que el monitor marca, es marcado como Chae en 3 de 4, nunca se sabrá certeramente, imo a los que dicen que es Dahyun siempre me he preguntado lo mismo, como saben que es Dahyun y no Chae? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

@@corneiz_bp_tw8240 y sigues con el mismo debate 😭😭😭 empezando por el hecho que en la primera presentación en el fanmeet de halloween, Chaeyoung cantó todos los coros

[@corneiz_bp_tw8240]

@@Oliver-uz1fs 1. No recuerdo haber dicho algo de Love Foolish, antes en este canal 2. En lo de Halloween las dos hacen lip sync, pero Dahyun baja su micrófono a media línea porque Chaeyoung está más al centro 3. Bro literalmente solo hice una pregunta

[@pablo3679]

​@@DDP121creo que dicen que es dahyun por los videos de la gira donde ella canta esa parte y otra cuando confirmaron que chaeyoung, jeonyeong y dahyun cantan en el coro en el showcase de feel special, idk

[@jiusomnia_]

While this is very true but this is certainly not new in the industry, the reason why producers usually did this is because of pitch correcting, as well as reconstructing (A little touch up) of the song to make it sound or to flow better overall. That's why nobody actually thought that it's been inverted because it just sounds like the original members singing since it's meant to be flawless not flawed. Adding on that, it's not just TWICE but older groups back in Gen2 used to have alot of such reconstructions as well, even more than the current Gen actually. ITZY's producers does that too, nobody would've known in Wannabe the "I" part in Lia's 1st post chorus is actually Yeji's unless they fully invert that part out

[@Sogotistics1]

That is so crazy to found three years later Good to know at least 😭

[@awayowayo]

the "minus" adlib being jeongyeon too, lol

[@peruball2589]

Thats why jeongyeon chorus always sounds like tzuyu for me 😮

[@minguinmyoi97]

It’s crazy how their voices are so similar, that no one notice until over 3 years later.

[@DDP121]

when i do FOL voice combination more than one year i notice that, but i don’t say anything bc i don’t believe that, but after see the same case in Wannabe by ITZY, i remember this again

[@minguinmyoi97]

@ Ohh ok

[@michealhoupe9673]

I remember when I first listened to this song, I misheard Jeongyeon’s 2nd chorus as Tzuyu and was confused as to why I heard Tzuyu do 2 lines in a row, now I know they actually added bits of Tzuyu on Jeongyeon’s line, lol.

[@sam_0w0.r4]

Fr! That was my first thought too when I heard the song for the first time

[@whatsopanime]

Jeongyeon still sang most of the chorus tho 😭

[@saayyreal]

I'm amazed with the producers of this song. I don't have that kind of patience adding for example Mina's voice in between Jeongyeon's part and vice versa lol. That'll be a lot of work. 😭

[@DDP121]

i know this is weird, but happens! i just hope none solo stan or biased get offended every time is discovered something new 😅

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

I'm ready to ban them lol, don't worry

[@zuleta333]

Could you explain what this means?

[@DDP121]

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[@zuleta333]

@@DDP121 thnx🖤

[@DahyunRockedMinaShocked]

It’s kind of sad Jeongyeon was the only 3mix member to not get first in their respective line distribution…she fits it the most tbh, instead I would have rather liked is the sub units go like this: 3mix Rap line Visual line

[@Nobody_kpop]

IDK why the producers did this, it's very random lol

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

Probably just preferred those recordings nuances, or something related to jeongyeon because it happens to her in hell in heaven too and both happened during her hiatus

[@whatsopanime]

@@GabrielAlves-ig6wh wait where in hell in heaven? is there even a video? 😭

[@0BV1OUS_LILY]

​@@whatsopanime In Jeongyeon's last chorus in Hell In Heaven, "to your paradise" sounds like Jihyo in her first chorus. I just noticed that T_T

[@TheCottonCandy707]

Daisy said producers sometimes mix voices if they think it sounds better or something

[@timara721]

This is actually interesting and it explains why even after years of listening to them there are still moments when we get confused about their voices They probably do this way more often that we expect and blend the members voices together I won't be surprised if it turns out that they do it with adlibs too and have both of nahyo record it or something hence why we struggle sometimes to differentiate between them

[@murilo6233]

following this discoveries, should we count the whole chorus as jeongyeon or give this cuts to mina and tzuyu? 'cause jeongyeon sang this part, but it was later cut on studio and replaced for mitzu's vocals. in theory, these part belongs to jeongyeon, she sang it live and it's marked as her. but not in studio

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

@@murilo6233 imo it shouldn't because otherwise we should count love foolish chorus to Dahyun

[@Kpoplover2338]

They’re still Mina and Tzuyu’s parts, they just blended their voices or something? I remember when ex momoland member Daisy said the producers would do that sometimes.

[@SoCool7987]

​@Kpoplover2338 Lmao no, remember Jeong was in hiatus so obviously it won't sounds the best when she record her lines they just throw Mina and Tzuyu cut parts to the one that suits better within her lines, which means that it's still belongs to her

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

Honestly, it would be hard to count it because it's something very hard to notice lol, I wouldn't just so I wouldn't need to search in other songs lol

[@whatsopanime]

@Kpoplover2338 Eh, this will just complicate line distributions. Also a lot of the time who people think sang what is (to me) a subjective topic. We unfortunately did not get to be in the studio with the girls so nobody is ever truly right. 😂 ( I’m mostly referring to the ambiguous stuff ) Though for me, I’ve always seen their live performances as the most reliable way to credit a member for any given line they sing. But I have noticed this way of doing things shift to solely relying on filtered studio vocals 😭

[@tybaker_x7565]

oh tzuyu sounds so good here just wanna say

[@whatsopanime]

I've done and edited vocal covers for fun before, and when it comes to merging different takes which is called vocal comping. Typically the vocal's will sound choppy. For a seamless transition the two takes are most of the time crossfaded. Giving the possibility of the 2 vocals overlapping. So if it is more than one members that voice is being comped together, there could just be a possibility that their vocals overlap. That is if we can all agree that the girls sang the whole chorus when the recorded it at the studio.

[@dearmoonlyrics]

i must be deaf because i swear i always heard the members in their respective choruses and i have not thought one bit that the producers spliced certain parts from the members' choruses together. they blend too well in the studio that it's almost impossible to hear it unless you listen really closely

[@DDP121]

what takes do you think the producers use? i’m sure are Mina and Tzuyu takes respectively, specially in Tzuyu, is so notorious

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

Creo que el coro de JeongMi tienen varios takes de cada una, escuchando bien, altas partes del coro de Mina suenan a Jeongyeon igualmente

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

It's confusing lol, the only ones I'm sure are the "chwo" being mina in the 1st half, and "tchu" being tzuyu, "eotba" belt and "bare ma" falsetto sound soo ambiguous. Also, the "three" in "1, 3, 2" sounds perfectly aligned with eachother tho it didn't cancel, I think it has a chance of also being the same

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

For me "eotba" sounds nothing like Mina tbh, I think it goes JY-MN-TY-TY

[@Oliver-uz1fs]

@@GabrielAlves-ig6wh I agree

[@DDP121]

@@Oliver-uz1fscreo que tienes razón, la primera cancelación creo es Jeong, si se escucha el coro de Mina sin filtrar suena un cambio a comparación del de Jeong, pero la 2da cancelación creo definitivamente es Mina, entonces puede ser JY-MN-TY-TY

[@DDP121]

0:39 1:17

[@matmic0326]

0:45 So, here is Mina and in 0:49 is normally Tzuyu. 1:22 So, here is normally Mina and in 1:27 is Tzuyu.

[@Vichencio23]

Bruh istg producers make the most random things ever lmao like what's the reason for this? They all sound so similar and great in live performances...

[@jiusomnia_]

While it may sound absurd as it turned out be. They make this only for the studio version to reconstruct certain areas & mainly they just use it for pitch correcting purposes but technically the whole thing is still considered as the member part. This has been ongoing since the start of kpop not just in TWICE btw, it's just back then older gen line distribution content creators did not dive in until so deep into that extend because back then their resource were also very limited

[@Gabe-cs4fw]

Entonces combinan sus voces, lo seguiran haciendo en canciones recientes? Pq creo que lo hacian más cuando jeongyeon estaba en hiatus

[@thespeedassasingxx7592]

So then that's why i hear tzuyu in the start of sana's new new chorus?? 😭😭

[@snsdgivemetwice]

𝗬𝗲𝗮𝗵 😂 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁'𝘀 𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝗼 𝘀𝗶𝗺𝗶𝗹𝗮𝗿

[@Rishi-zi4zh]

I heard the same thing also,I thought Tzuyu sang it

[@singingwhale977]

I don't think that's how it works, Tzuyu did not have a chorus in New New only Sana and Momo did. Unless Tzuyu has a unreleased chorus out there they can't cancel each other. The only thing that we can try to cancel is Momo and Sana's chorus.

[@josuerivera6917]

DDP respondeme por favor que paso con PINK LEMONADE y el album de SUMMER NIGHTS ?????

[@Ak_creation801]

We want misamo plz make their line distribution

[@LovePFZ]

Still Mina song❤

[@Bluesky-y6w]

@@LovePFZ yessss!!!!

[@sugarsplays4734]

Ok simplemente no entiendo esto de el invert y eso 😭

[@RajendraSingh-ot2bo]

Wait what's going on I'm so confused

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

They cut the members recordings of the choruses and put it between another members' recordings, like a member singing a full line but then it cuts to another one singing a syllable, and then going back to the 1st member singing the line. This happens because the producers preferred those takes or nuances for those syllables lol, it's weird but happens, daisy from momoland already talked about it in different wordings when asked about members who get little lines in songs

[@RajendraSingh-ot2bo]

@GabrielAlves-ig6wh so will it change the line distribution of the song?

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

@@RajendraSingh-ot2bo definitely not, depending on whose take it is it will basically subtract something around 4 sec maybe less from a member (probably jeongyeon since she's the only one who sung both parts and is likely to be the one who ended up with her lines cut). Tho, it could make a difference in the album total distribution, but unlikely, it's debatable if it should even be accountable either way so no worries

[@DDP121]

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[@LovePFZ]

@@RajendraSingh-ot2bo no this still Mina dong

[@timara721]

To be honest when I heard the song for the very first time the chorus sounded a bit weird to me Jeongyeon's second chorus sounded like tzuyu and Mina's voice in her chorus sounded more powerful than usual so it makes sense But what's the point of all of this lol i feel like it could have sounded more natural if they used their actual voices But regardless of anything it's a good song and their voices really blend well together

[@Gidlestan12345]

Can you analyse hell in heaven chorus ? I heard that Jihyo sings in one of Jeong choruses

[@zacharyace2041]

Would you make the line distribution with this or just as it is before since Kom26 said they personally wont count this 😅

[@DDP121]

@@zacharyace2041 honestly i got the same opinion, for me shouldn’t be counted, bc are only some syllables (not a full line), and will be hard found this things in other songs we’re only a part is purely once in the full song

[@zacharyace2041]

@DDP121 ah alright 👍🏻

[@Kpoplover2338]

Did they blend their voices or something??? I’m sooo confused😭😭

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

Kinda, they used some of the members syllables in another one's chorus lol

[@DDP121]

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[@DahyunRockedMinaShocked]

FOL next? Or is this for Naii twice?

[@DDP121]

for Naii twice, i see some comments not understanding how this work, is for help that ^^

[@Rishi-zi4zh]

​@@DDP121 love that you and everyone are giving respect to naii twice🙂 Btw.....is naii twice another channel of yours?

[@DahyunRockedMinaShocked]

@@Rishi-zi4zhno 😭 they’re different accounts

[@May.May0927]

I’m confused, so it’s each of them singing the chorus together?

[@murilo6233]

@@May.May0927 they've cut jeongyeon's chorus and replaced it for mina's and tzuyu's vocals. the same thing happened in hell in heaven for last chorus jeongyeon sings "to your paradise", but "-dise" part was replaced for jihyo's voice, so what we listen to there is not jeongyeon

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

They cut the members recordings of the choruses and put it between another members' recordings, like a member singing a full line but then it cuts to another one singing a syllable, and then going back to the 1st member singing the line. This happens because the producers preferred those takes or nuances for those syllables lol, it's weird but happens, daisy from momoland already talked about it in different wordings when asked about members who get little lines in songs

[@SoCool7987]

​@@murilo6233There are also some Nayeon's voice in the first chorus

[@whatsopanime]

@SoCool7987 yeah and nayeon belted at the last chorus, along with rapping with jeongyeon

[@SandroFernandez-j5i]

So how the Line distribution is now?

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

@@SandroFernandez-j5i the same, maybe album distribution changes but 1, 3, 2 is the same

[@RandomNachoxd]

AaaaaaaaaAAAaaaaA no entiendo nada que alguien me de contexto en español

[@user-oh4rm9zc6w]

"Ellas cortaban las grabaciones de los miembros de los coros y las ponían entre las grabaciones de otro miembro, como un miembro cantando una línea completa pero luego se corta a otro cantando una sílaba, y luego regresa al primer miembro cantando la línea. Esto sucede porque los productores preferían esas tomas o matices para esas sílabas". (Lo he traducido de otro comentario) En otras palabras, los productores editaron las grabaciones de los miembros del coro para crear una versión más perfecta, combinando diferentes tomas y matices para crear un sonido más cohesivo y atractivo.

[@hoon3350]

wait I don't quite understand what this means

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

They cut the members recordings of the choruses and put it between another members' recordings, like a member singing a full line but then it cuts to another one singing a syllable, and then going back to the 1st member singing the line. This happens because the producers preferred those takes or nuances for those syllables lol, it's weird but happens, daisy from momoland already talked about it in different wordings when asked about members who get little lines in songs

[@DDP121]

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[@jayquel1472]

I dont understand, what does this mean?

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

They cut the members recordings of the choruses and put it between another members' recordings, like a member singing a full line but then it cuts to another one singing a syllable, and then going back to the 1st member singing the line. This happens because the producers preferred those takes or nuances for those syllables lol, it's weird but happens, daisy from momoland already talked about it in different wordings when asked about members who get little lines in songs

[@DDP121]

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[@andrecaetano3631]

That's why they sound quite odd on that song, I'll be honest and say it, this is kind stupid? Why not only let they sing lol

[@Gidlestan12345]

Fr like Mina sounds kinda like Jeong and Jeong kinda sounds like Tzuyu like I don't have an idea why they did something like this but it happens the same thing happened in hell in heaven

[@hatchiolindo]

"witereo" in mina chorus is 100% jeongyeon i think

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

There's a difference between recordings, so unless they used a different take from jeongyeon's 1st chorus (which is unlikely since they just recycled the other ones), it's just Mina singing powerfully + with the chance of "eotba" being jeongyeon, it gives the illusion that both belts are the same voice (which is exactly what the producers intended probably lol)

[@hatchiolindo]

@GabrielAlves-ig6wh pode ser, mas a pronuncia e o tom pra mim é 100% da jeongyeon

[@GabrielAlves-ig6wh]

@@hatchiolindo eu também acho bem parecido com ela, que nem eu também acho o "three" em "one three two" sendo a mina também, mas como não cancelou acho difícil ser o caso, mas não impossível

[@hatchiolindo]

@@GabrielAlves-ig6wh acho q tem a jeongyeon no refrao da mina e tem a mina no refrao da jeongyeon, so a tzuyu que ta intacta por algum motivo, esse "three" eu sempre achei estranho, tem uns 3 anos que eu notei essas coisas pq eu fazia a extensão vocal de cada musica delas ent sempre ouvia o acapella em 0,25x e essa palavra sempre me pareceu a mina, mas nn sei mais