Two Handed Bowling Tips: Staying Behind The Ball

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[@NicholasTuck]

Frank - I watched this last night. Tried a few things at home, then hit the lanes with the goal of really trying this out. HUGE SUCCESS. (had the front 10 in practice today, and a 9 bagger in a later game, with two different balls). A year+ ago I actually switched my off hand to go from the left side, to the top of the ball, which was a big shift to get use to. Today I tried moving my hand even further further right, experiment, way right, even with right hand etc. I found going far right really allowed me to keep my elbow in, and had a hell of a practice day today. Will need some more days of practice to make it second nature and get the timing down. I highly recommend people try to push those boundaries and see how things go. I would randomly with having a crap release from time to time, with just no rotation, and it always felt so random, maybe 10% of the time I'd have a bad throw and couldn't figure out why, wondered if it was lack of focus. Today, 9 games of practice, I only had 1 or 2 throws of bad rotation which were obvious what I did wrong. This helps keep me so much more consistent. More practice and I'll get it second nature so that the speed will be consistent with it too; I think this will be big for me. Thank you for sharing your changes as well as referencing Via and Slone's releases.

[@BigSkyBowler]

To avoid confusion here, what you're doing is actually causing your hand to be more to the inside of the ball in the back swing and causing more axis rotation and tilt at the release point. That is what brings your ball track further away from your fingers and causes the ball to flare more. Staying more up the back of the ball will cause less axis tilt and less axis rotation, resulting in a ball track that flares over the finger holes. Not a bad change, but you need to completely understand what is actually happening to your hand at the release.

[@UhKimboze]

Ay big sky is here, glad to see your input. Interesting, I did not know some of these things you mentioned here. Hope you've been well! 💜

[@BigSkyBowler]

@@UhKimboze good thanks, just super busy - not a ton of time for KZbin unfortunately.

[@UhKimboze]

I also found something that worked for me a lot too. Sometimes even with this hand position thing I still managed to get my hand way around the ball. I started to force the weight of the ball to lean more towards my thumb almost like I'm going to back it up. That really helped me even being able to get 10 degrees of axis rotation or less on my spare shots. Just feeling the weight of the ball in that spot the whole way through the swing.

[@UhKimboze]

Yessss 🙏 the video I needed!!!!! Thank you man. This is fire.

[@batl_born702]

I’ve never had any problems staying behind the ball so I’ve never given it much thought. My left hand is in the same spot, more to the right side of the ball from my view. Good job taking the time to figure that out.

[@gabrielhurtado4116]

The best video by far on explaining how to get a better throw for a 2 handed

[@nanoch4nxd638]

I do a similar thing aswell, but i actually bend my wrist to the left and actually use abit of my arm to cup the ball. It helps to stay behind the ball a lot. Its like how Tom Daugherty holds the ball but 2 hands haha. My left hand stays the same like yours. Great video and keep up the effort Frank!

[@vBlaine]

Nice video. I started doing this some short time ago to help maintain a consistent hand position and noticed I also noticed my rev rate increased and was more consistent since I was putting my hand in the same place everytime and also paying attention to my right hand finger position in relation to axis rotation. Manipulating axis rotation is useful for picking up spares, bowling on dry lanes, and sport patterns.

[@dillonslate5758]

Woohooooo more tank !!!! Love your videos brother

[@joeyreyna6031]

Nice vid Broo helped on my ball that tracked over the holes !

[@Thebowlingreviewguy]

Great video appreciate you pointing this out. This is something I guess I struggle with as well. There has been countless times where I have been on front eight and got kinda lazy due to the amount of effort it takes to release with your hands on the left side I’m definitely gonna make that change. Looking forward to trying it out this weekend.

[@KidzClubBop]

This was a great tip, I had to adjust my hand placement this past Thursday night and saw a big difference in ball movement

[@717YamahaR1]

Bro this was a great breakdown and awesome that you showed the hand position to man that’s what really made it make sense

[@Brianthegreatrapper]

This was such a ground breaking discovery! I’m so thankful for this tip!

[@ramonalejano671]

Just felt natural. Made my hand, wrist, elbow and shoulder aligned to the target/line. Thanks! Liked and subscribed.

[@gixxergarry]

great video but you are still on the side even on you slow-mo...530 is the most you should be on the release. You'll pick up speed the more your behind it

[@DatBoiRRoBB]

Thank you for this video. I tried it today and was instantly amazed on how much easier it was to keep the my right hand behind the ball.

[@Omeyy.Gaming]

Thank you so much! My release improved a lot with this hand position. 🙏🏼

[@michaelcarrasquillo7830]

Terrific video. I have seen this issue w my son's bowling and just forwarded this video to him. Thanks for sharing. Def will work it into our practices...

[@Drumma700Bowls]

Thank you so freaking much bro I bowled my second 300 today!! First one was one this one two and I’ve only been two hand 5 days now!!🔥🔥💯💯🤞

[@lonestarpatriot876]

You do a really good job of slowing your ball speed when playing from the left. Nice and controlled.

[@ianmondy]

I was having a rough practice session, towards my last game, I remembered your tip in this video and dang, it just clicked! I would have wanted to get another game in to make sure but the lane was already closing up.

[@mantid83]

I put the pointing finger on my right hand in between the pointing finger and the middle finger on my left hand. I think it's similar to what you changed yours to in this video.

[@baseball22heat]

Just tried this yesterday and it really help me

[@Sokolov-Sergei]

Самый подробный разбор из всех что я видел👍 Спасибо! 🤝

[@stefanjo300]

Thanks for the video. It helps me and my friend😊

[@avoidmysnipes7541]

This is amazing, thank you so so much for making this video

[@OliverEjercito]

man you're genius I tried this little change and I had 223 on my 2nd game the first game was getting used to it 155 - and the third game was 195 and I only average 140

[@stevenpommenville2563]

Bro for real thats the problem i been doing too lmao doing the exact same problem thanks so much for that tip needed this it kept constantly to going over the middle finger hole and didnt know that me getting around it like this is the cause man thanks for this tip def subscribed

[@mbschleicher0]

New PAP measurement time!

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

Exactly my thoughts

[@LiamMorrill-s5j]

Just got my new highest of 211 yesterday

[@RedGalaxyFishbone]

Love the vids man! Explaining really well :) The music isn`t really needed! You telling is fun and interesting enough, might be more annoying than it adding something :) Keep it up!

[@mattstoremangolf4]

I came to the same exact revelation last week watching Chris Via bowl. Now I feel like I can really hit it at the bottom and be aggressive. When my ball starts skidding and skidding and leaving dumb stuff like 2,8,10s it is typically because I'm getting too far up the side of the ball, not sure if that happens to you as well.

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

Yeah it used to happen to me. I’d get to far up the side of the ball and the ball would end up flaring over the holes and just go to the 3,6,10

[@mattstoremangolf4]

this may be dumb, but for some reason it happens way more often with my pitch black more than any other ball. Maybe its the urethane surface but I'm not quite sure.@@FrankTheTankBowling

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

⁠@@mattstoremangolf4I can tell you that because of the way urethane is designed to roll down the lane, the issue is your hand being up the side of the ball at release. look at 7:06, you see how my ball has multiple lines? that means the ball is flaring. the pitch black and pretty much any other urethane ball does not flare like this, it rolls on one part of the ball which is why you see one big ring of oil around your pitch black, which is normal. Now all you gotta do is improve that release

[@261982brandon]

Also leaning forward at your release will cause you to come around the ball

[@Wspre_]

Did this and bowled a 256 my first game trying it.. 😅other than the score my hand was way farther behind the ball and closer to my leg, my speed and revs looked higher too!

[@ScottyThompson-lt7wl]

Cool video talk tech bowling frank the tank

[@brigham2250]

Basically, the style you're showing here is cranking the ball in the set up. I have tried this and will try it again, but I prefer to hold the ball comfortably without cranking it. What I do at the end of my arm swing, at the release, is what really matters. And what I do at this point is to imagine that the inside of my right palm (I'm a righty) is facing outward (to be clear, facing to the lane to my right). Now, literally, it isn't really fully facing that way as that is unnatural and uncomfortable. But by turning the inside of my palm outward (as much as I can) at the release and imagining that it is fully facing the lane to my right, it helps me stay behind the ball. I just find it easier to manipulate my palm position at the release point than to hold it that way from beginning to end and cranking my arms/hands. But in the end, whatever is comfortable and works for you.

[@hectordehesa2118]

I found my arms are too short to bring my hand is that position, I feel my torso is too rotated and my back would hurt after a few games. I found for my staying more upright is better for me as well.

[@AndresCuervoArt]

How do you manage to unbend the arm at the downswing ?

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

I’ll make a video on it. I’m looking to make series out of these 2 handed tips seeing as people are liking it.

[@AndresCuervoArt]

@@FrankTheTankBowlingthank you so much that’s what is killing my speed my arm is cupped at release

[@canefan17]

I'll have to play around with this again. I remember trying it once but the ball kept falling off my hand and my ball speed dropped.

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

Same here. Speed took a hit, and my hand wasn’t use to being behind the ball at release and I’d drop it. but I knew i wasn’t gunna learn this and get the feel for it immediately. I just needed to keep at it and eventually I’d get the hang of it.

[@canefan17]

@@FrankTheTankBowlingplayed around with it today and really liked it. Frank, have you ever had pain in your traps/neck from bowling? For the life of me I can’t figure out why I’ve been getting this lately. Just curious.

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

@@canefan17 pain in my neck no. Pain in my traps yes but only if I bowl an insane amount of games. I’m talking like more than 8 games.

[@canefan17]

@@FrankTheTankBowling appreciate it 🤘

[@mystro89]

thankyou , i did this a couple of months ago, works well for me in some balls, but cant for the life of me get away from middle on my trouble maker hybrid, any idea why??

[@RealFlankenBerry]

I did until belmo gave me a simple piece of advice. That night I shot 750 😂 Though as you get better behind the ball your PAP will change and layouts drastically can change. My PIN to PAP distance increased by almost 3inches.

[@Joshuaperalta8]

What advice

[@scottstottsgaming]

Just to jump in with BigSkyBowler's comment which is great: technically the placement of the pin above the bridge doesn't ACTUALLY mean anything without knowing a bowler's PAP. If someone's PAP was particularly close to center of grip, like 3in over, the pin would be in a very different spot for that person than for you. Pin placement in a vacuum does NOT indicate ball motion. You need to relate pin placement to the bowler's PAP to understand where the rotating moments will be (and thus axis migration through flare.) I hear this a lot from people who see a pin on someone's ball, see the ball roll great for that guy, and want their PSO to do the same thing. That's BAD. My PAP is 6 and 1/8" over and 1/2in down (2H). Someone who is a 1H with a 4in over and 2in up PAP is going to have a VERY different experience if they put the pin in the same place as I do.

[@peternguyen7205]

Does your ball still feel secure having your left hand there?

[@Croonina]

Damn, if this works for me, you might have saved me from quit bowling. Having the problem with going around the ball and having the flare over the finger holes.

[@twins.f82]

Where’s the league videos !!!!

[@jasonsmith3537]

Side of ball kills your speed and your revs... I started my swing slightly earlier and it took even more stress off my throw and I jumped from about 15.7mph on avg and still hitting high....to 17mph and hitting pocket on the same pattern same game (2-hnded). Staying behind the ball is all you need.

[@canefan17]

Have you stuck with this new hand placement?

[@FrankTheTankBowling]

I have. But I’m not gunna lie, the thought that I can take this hand position and improve it even more did come about since this video was posted, I’ve tried experimenting with dozens of different ways but this particular hand position is that one that truly worked for me.

[@mayaboylan5414]

I keep my hand Left hand On top of the ball But I also two handed Have no backswing In new jersey You don't need more hooker And I am still underneath the ball