Two problems from the world's happiest country.

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Michael Penn

Michael Penn

Күн бұрын

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@almafater
@almafater Жыл бұрын
And that’s a happy place to Finnish
@nguyentruongphu1383
@nguyentruongphu1383 Жыл бұрын
i see what you did there
@almafater
@almafater Жыл бұрын
@@nguyentruongphu1383 there’s Norway you see it!
@maroonshaded
@maroonshaded Жыл бұрын
@@almafater haha some Sweden innofensive jokes
@GaborRevesz_kittenhuffer
@GaborRevesz_kittenhuffer Жыл бұрын
i scanned the navy and found no be better puns.
@roberttelarket4934
@roberttelarket4934 Жыл бұрын
almafater: Very very very clever!
@AntoshaPushkin
@AntoshaPushkin Жыл бұрын
The first problem isn't rigorous enough. You need to check a few more cases (WLOG a≤b≤c) a=2, b=3,4,5 a=3, b=3,4 a≥4 take minimal c in those cases and show that max is achieved for a=2, b=3, c=7
@karlstrecker6002
@karlstrecker6002 Жыл бұрын
I think Mike‘s proof works: wlog a
@AntoshaPushkin
@AntoshaPushkin Жыл бұрын
@@karlstrecker6002 min a doesn't necessarily lead to optimal a, b, c
@AntoshaPushkin
@AntoshaPushkin Жыл бұрын
@@karlstrecker6002 I have a counterexample for your logic. Assume it works the way you describe it. Then it also works for 4 numbers, 5 numbers, etc. Let's try to use your logic for 5 numbers. We would get min a = 2, bin b = 3, bin c = 7, then min d = 43 and min e = 1001 1/a + 1/b + 1/c +1/d + 1/e ≈ 0.99954... However there is a better solution (a,b,c,d,e) = (2,3,7,61,135) such that 1/a + 1/b + 1/c +1/d + 1/e ≈ 0.99991... So your proof is invalid, and picking minimal a then b, ... is not a valid strategy, as almost always with Diophantine equations
@karlstrecker6002
@karlstrecker6002 Жыл бұрын
@@AntoshaPushkinRight. I am convinced.
@HoSza1
@HoSza1 Жыл бұрын
There is more: if you choose 2, 3, 7, 43 and 1807 then the sum of reciprocals is even more close: 0,999999694 (rounded).
@QuaDue
@QuaDue Жыл бұрын
concerning 5076, well we have already factors 9 and 4 from the filters so we know thta 5076 = 36*141 and that is not a perfect square
@TitanOfClash
@TitanOfClash Жыл бұрын
For the first part, why does the maximum of ths first two numbers mean that the third has to be on top of that? Why couldn't it be a completely different combination of numbers?
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Жыл бұрын
I have the same question. It should require more proof. There’s I reason the maximum combination can’t have a, b that are bigger than 2,3 with a c that is smaller than 7
@adogonasidecar1262
@adogonasidecar1262 Жыл бұрын
@@Happy_Abe Note that the formula is symmetrical in a, b, and c. Also 3/7 is less than 41/42. Therefore at least one of the digits has to be smaller than 7. One way is brute force with numbers from 2 to 7, computing all the combinations. I am pretty sure there is a smarter way.
@hyperpsych6483
@hyperpsych6483 Жыл бұрын
I agree it's really not clear. Just work through it case by case. Prove there must be one 1/2 term: 1/3+1/3+1/3 = 1. 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/4 doesn't reach our maximum. No other options. Prove there must be one 1/3 term: 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/4 = 1. 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/5 doesn't reach our maximum. No other opions. In both cases, we try to make the maximum possible sum without using one of the terms and show it doesn't work out.
@adogonasidecar1262
@adogonasidecar1262 Жыл бұрын
@@hyperpsych6483 yep, need to go through cases
@Happy_Abe
@Happy_Abe Жыл бұрын
@@hyperpsych6483 yes that’s sufficient but video’s proof doesn’t have this and I think it’s lacking because of it
@warmpianist
@warmpianist Жыл бұрын
For the first problem, do we need to show that there are no more tuples of (a,b,c) where a >= 3 that makes the sum more than 41/42? This seems like a greedy algorithm where you can't be sure that smaller a will surely give a largest sum.
@hyperboloidofonesheet1036
@hyperboloidofonesheet1036 Жыл бұрын
a, b, and c are interchangeable, so you can always impose a ≥ b ≥ c without loss of generality (and then permute the tuples at the end). With that, you know that a < 4 because otherwise the sum could not exceed 3/4 (=1/4+1/4+1/4), which is certainly less than 41/42. This means you only need to check cases where a=3. Starting with b=3, c must be greater than 3 or the sum will be too large. With c=4 the sum is 1/3+1/3+1/4 = 11/12 which is less than 41/42. Any larger value of c results in a smaller sum. If b = 4 then c ≥ 4, which results in a sum of not more than 10/12 (=1/3+1/4+1/4). Any larger value of b will result in a smaller sum.
@monzurrahman8307
@monzurrahman8307 Жыл бұрын
@@hyperboloidofonesheet1036 this is the missing part from the proof. Unless I'm missing something, there doesn't seem to be an obvious guarantee that 1/a + 1/b + 1/c achieves its max where 1/a + 1/b does, given the constraint in the problem.
@kappasphere
@kappasphere Жыл бұрын
​@@hyperboloidofonesheet1036I think you meant to write a
@Bodyknock
@Bodyknock Жыл бұрын
@@monzurrahman8307 I agree, this was an important oversight in Michael's solution. It's quite possible at the stage he left it on the board that, for example, there was some a and b that weren't 2 and 3 respectively where 4/6 < 1/a + 1/b < 5/6 in which case you could possibly have that adding 1/6 to that total was between 41/42 and 1.
@lgooch
@lgooch Жыл бұрын
You do, Michael’s solution would not yield full points.
@哀恩欸芙屁
@哀恩欸芙屁 Жыл бұрын
Amazing solutions for the 2nd problem!! But, if we were sitting in the contest: 1. How exactly did we get to the step of multiplying "2001n + 2" by "2001n - 2" at 5:38 to create a difference of squares at the LHS of the equation? 2. And how could we prime factorize 8008006 completely and correctly (just like at 8:43) within the time limit?? 🤔🤔🤔
@williamperez-hernandez3968
@williamperez-hernandez3968 Жыл бұрын
For the filter of perfect squares, as with 00, should have been 25, since a number ending in 5 has a square that always ends in 25.
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 Жыл бұрын
Also, if a square is divisible by 3, then it is divisible by 9. That would not have killed 5076, which is divisible by 9. However, dividing by 9, then by 4, yields 141, which is not a square.
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Жыл бұрын
17:02 Happy, happy, happy 🇫🇮
@seanbastian4614
@seanbastian4614 Жыл бұрын
For the first problem, I feel part of the proof needs to include if a pair of a,b, or c are equal and see why 41/42 is still a max in that case. In the problem, it didn't explicitly say that a,b, and c can't be equal to one or another.
@topquark22
@topquark22 Жыл бұрын
Good point. We want a, b, c to be as small as possible. The (only?) next case is say a=b=3. Then 1 - 1/a - 1/b = 1/3, the distance we have to make up. But c=3 already doesn't work. And if c=4 then 1/a + 1/b + 1/c = 11/12 which is not as good as 41/42
@GaborRevesz_kittenhuffer
@GaborRevesz_kittenhuffer Жыл бұрын
apparently this works in general! "sylvester's sequence" a(n) given by a(1) = 2 and a(n+1) = 1 + a(1)·...·a(n) has the property that if b(n) are positive integers with S:= 1/b(1) + ... + 1/b(n) < 1, then S is maximized exactly when {b(1), ..., b(n)} = {a(1), ..., a(n)}. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester%27s_sequence ...pretty cool.
@aromeran
@aromeran Жыл бұрын
Still, choosing 1 is not allowed, repeating 2 either and 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/4 = 11/12 < 41/42, i firmly believe the solution is still optimal given any a b and c integers but ill leave it as a proof for the reader as to debunk or proof
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 Жыл бұрын
The second problem was already covered on this channel on Nov. 17, 2022.
@Magnus-727
@Magnus-727 Жыл бұрын
I know my squares by heart. 5076 is between 5041 (71^2) and 5184 (72^2). I also recognized the 4,004,001. Notice 21^2 = 441, 201^2 = 40,401, 2001^2 = 4,004,001 etc. Just add one more zero to each 0 block each time.
@keedt
@keedt Жыл бұрын
numerical experimentation shows that the smallest modulo filter that works is that of modulo 13, which says that perfect squares belong to the eq. classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 9, 10, 12} mod 13. and 5076 = 6 (mod 13). This is clearly more work than noticing that as 70^2=4900; 71^2=70^2+141=5041 < 5076 < 72^2= 71^2+143=5184, so 5076 is bounded by two consecutive perfect squares.
@Bodyknock
@Bodyknock Жыл бұрын
7:07 Shouldn't C = 2001, not 2001² ? In other words multiply 2001n + 2 by 2001 to get 2001²n² + 2*2001 = (n² + 2)C. (Michael wrote 2*2001² here) I don't get how he managed to get the right answer after this step since it really seems like the way he did it would have used 2*2001 instead of 2*2001² at this step. 😵
@blue_sand6854
@blue_sand6854 Жыл бұрын
This is my question, too (or, it is nor n^2).
@dneary
@dneary Жыл бұрын
For 5076, you only need to know that 70^2 = 4900, and (10x+4)^2 = 10y+6 - so the smallest possible number that could square to 5076 is 74 - but 74^2 = 5476.
@pdpgrgn
@pdpgrgn Жыл бұрын
For the 2nd problem, just like we used that fact that a perfect square ending in 0 has to end in 00, we could have used the fact that a perfect square ending in 5 has to end in 25.
@davidblauyoutube
@davidblauyoutube Жыл бұрын
5076 = 4*1269 = 4*9*141 and 141 is not a square because it is divisible by 3 but not 9.
@LeviATallaksen
@LeviATallaksen Жыл бұрын
Calculating products of every combination of {2, 19, 83, 2539} and subtracting 2 from each of them is fine, but taking square root at the end of each calculation is too much work??? I agree that reducing how many combinations you have to check is a good idea, but it feels like you're working through each combination anyway. I might do some of the modular arithmetic before doing the multiplication, but it's not "obviously better" (since if we can't eliminate a lot of combinations, we'll end up doing more multiplications that way; the extra ones are very simple though): 2 === 2 (mod 4) 19 === 3 (mod 4) 83 === 3 (mod 4) 2539 === 3 (mod 4) So we can eliminate every combination of two factors congruent to 3 mod 4, since 3^2-2 = 7 is not 0 or 1 mod 4. 2 === 2 (mod 3) 19 === 0 (mod 3) 83 === 2 (mod 3) 2539 === 0 (mod 3) So we can eliminate 2*83, since 2^2-2 is not 0 or 1 mod 3. The mod 10 check feels like it's not worth doing this way, since we're getting less overlap. And we can't check for 00.
@rohkofantti8673
@rohkofantti8673 Жыл бұрын
Interesting mathematics task from my country from the USA. Thank you again for an excellent video lecture, Dr. Michael Penn! 😊
@QuaDue
@QuaDue Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or is the first proof incomplete, e.g. one needs to prove that 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/6 =1 or am I missing something here?
@viktorsmets29
@viktorsmets29 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the first proof is not complete, but you should actually check for 1/2+1/4+1/5 and also for 1/3+1/3+1/4
@scragar
@scragar Жыл бұрын
That's obvious though, because 1/4
@viktorsmets29
@viktorsmets29 Жыл бұрын
The point is to be rigourous, so also explaining the simple steps
@Zack-xz1ph
@Zack-xz1ph Жыл бұрын
1 - 5/6 = 1/6, so the third fraction must be less than 1/6
@nixlarfs1002
@nixlarfs1002 Жыл бұрын
For the first problem, you can assume wlog that a
@l.h.308
@l.h.308 Жыл бұрын
42 = 2 * 3 * 7 and we need to have small denominators. Check these and there is the answer - in 10 seconds. (6 permutations of a, b and c)
@awesomechannel7713
@awesomechannel7713 Жыл бұрын
Solution of problem 1 doesn't seem rigorous at all. Why we are maximizing the 1/c given maximized 1/a+1/b? Why cannot 1/a+1/b+1/c be greater if 1/a+1/b+1/c was less? I.e 1/3+1/3+1/3 = 1 is larger. Yes, it doesn't satisfy the conditions but nothing in the solution even implicitly ruled that out.
@pierreabbat6157
@pierreabbat6157 Жыл бұрын
The Sylvester sequence is relevant. The Tweety Bird sequence is not! Wikipedia has a red link to Vardi's constant, which is the number that, when raised to power-of-2 powers, yields numbers close to the Sylvester sequence. Who's Vardi?
@johns.8246
@johns.8246 Жыл бұрын
At 7:07, why is C equal to 2001^2 instead of 2001n ? I'm lost.
@barutjeh
@barutjeh Жыл бұрын
It doesn't follow from the first equation. He's just using the fact that 2001² n² + 2001² ×2 is what you get if you work out 2001²(n²+2) (and is therefore a multiple of (n²+2) as well).
@peterhall6656
@peterhall6656 Жыл бұрын
This is typical of his delivery. He will an inordinate amount of time on eye glazing banal arithmetic and then he will make a jump and not explain with the same level of detail somethng that is much less trivial. It is his signature move! @barutjeh explains the move.
@restcure
@restcure Жыл бұрын
I've had my "no, it CAN'T 'easily be seen that'!'" moments in many math classes I've taken.
@adogonasidecar1262
@adogonasidecar1262 Жыл бұрын
@@peterhall6656 Absolutely, I have noticed that many times, where I get bored in the slow delivery of basic calculations, and then have to pause or rewind the video for one significant leap that comes out of nowhere and is not sufficiently explained or justified. Drives me nuts :) ALso, the sloppy mathematical writing... Argh Still, great and varied problems, so it's entirely worth it.
@59de44955ebd
@59de44955ebd Жыл бұрын
Concerning how to find out quickly if 5076 is a perfect square, I don't know about a filter, but I think it's obvious that 4900 is 70^2 and that 5076 is 4900 + 176. So if 5076 is a square, then (by binomial theorem) there must be some k that solves 176 = k * (2 * 70 + k). And it's obvious that there is no solution, since k=1 is not a solution and for k=2 the right side is already bigger than 176.
@martinnimczick839
@martinnimczick839 Жыл бұрын
In the first task... Why a=2 and b=3 ist the only case to check? Why is a=3, b=3 and any other an appropriate c less than 41/42? Or a=2 and b=4 and so on?
@Zack-xz1ph
@Zack-xz1ph Жыл бұрын
I believe the numbers have to be different
@wolfmanjacksaid
@wolfmanjacksaid Жыл бұрын
5076 is between 71^2 and 72^2, so it can't be a perfect square. ✓
@danjwheatley
@danjwheatley Жыл бұрын
how do you (quickly!) find the prime factors of that huge number in the 2nd problem?
@khoozu7802
@khoozu7802 Жыл бұрын
Small mistake: 166-2=164=/=163 However, 164 is not perfect square mod 3
@xwtek3505
@xwtek3505 Жыл бұрын
There is another filter. The principle used is: if n | k and k > 0, then k >= n, and n | k - n Note that 2001n+2 > 0, so 2001n+2 - n^2+2 = n(2001-n)>=0 If n=0 or n=2001, we found a solution, so ignoring those two solution n(2001-n)>0 If n is not a multiple of 3, n^2+2 is a multiple of 3, but n(2001-n) is not a multiple of 3. So n has to be a multiple of 3. Additionally GCD(n^2+2, n)= 2 if n is even, or 1 if n odd. So, we split cases for n: If n = 6k, k > 0: 36k^2+2|6k(2001-6k) 18k^2+1|667-2k Note that 667-2k >0. So, we get: 667-2k >= 18k^2+1 But 18k^2+2k-666=9k^2+k-333 does not have an integer solution as the value of the polynomial at k=6 is smaller than zero, but the value of the polynomial at k=7 is larger than 0. This also means k 18k^2+1 18k^2+1|667-2k-18k^2+1 18k^2+1|666-2k-18k^2 18k^2+1|333-k-9k^2 333-k-9k^2>=18k^2+1 27k^2+k-332
@呂永志-x7o
@呂永志-x7o Жыл бұрын
8:33 Factoring is not so easy for us.
@Zack-xz1ph
@Zack-xz1ph Жыл бұрын
do a, b and c have to be different numbers? on the first problem
@fgp693
@fgp693 Жыл бұрын
They will always be happy with the two problems. They say, no problem, because they are Finnish.
@hazalouldi7130
@hazalouldi7130 Жыл бұрын
anyway there is an error in the7 th minute around 2001 squared
@egillandersson1780
@egillandersson1780 Жыл бұрын
Even if this is the correct result, the first demonstration is not rigorous enough, I think. In fact, why not achieve a max for 1/a + 1/b + 1/c WITHOUT achieve the max for 1/a + 1/b ? It may be impossible but not prooven here, is it ?
@Blabla0124
@Blabla0124 Жыл бұрын
I don't find the first proof convincing ...
@cycklist
@cycklist Жыл бұрын
The map on the thumbnail is wrong. The shaded part is the EU, but the UK left the EU some time ago.
@eldanchy3782
@eldanchy3782 Жыл бұрын
And Norway is missing in the map
@birdbeakbeardneck3617
@birdbeakbeardneck3617 Жыл бұрын
From the happiest country to the happiest community*
@pojuantsalo3475
@pojuantsalo3475 Жыл бұрын
The World's happiest country has only two problems?
@pederolsen3084
@pederolsen3084 Жыл бұрын
That's why it's so happy
@Zaxx70
@Zaxx70 Жыл бұрын
Your voice was barely audible on this vid :(
@vke6077
@vke6077 Жыл бұрын
Suomi mainittu :D
@JoopWilkens
@JoopWilkens Жыл бұрын
Your "second equation" involving c, in the second problem, seems to come out of thin air. On a problem solving contest, this would get you a 0 on 10 :) Very poor explanation, way below your level.
@minwithoutintroduction
@minwithoutintroduction Жыл бұрын
7:36
@ikarienator
@ikarienator Жыл бұрын
Sir your volume is too low.
@tamasdhgebrq5968
@tamasdhgebrq5968 Жыл бұрын
You can also start from the fact that 42=2*3*7, and 2*3=6, 2*7=14 and 3*7=21. However, 6+14+21 = 41.
@advaykumar9726
@advaykumar9726 Жыл бұрын
S U P E R C E L L
@GaborRevesz_kittenhuffer
@GaborRevesz_kittenhuffer Жыл бұрын
i somehow find the explanation of problem 1 not fully satisfying. also, it apparently generalizes in the most straightforward way! "sylvester's sequence" a(n), given by a(1) = 2 and a(n+1) = 1 + a(1)·...·a(n), has the property that if b(n) are positive integers with S:= 1/b(1) + ... + 1/b(n) < 1, then S is maximized exactly when {b(1), ..., b(n)} = {a(1), ..., a(n)}. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester%27s_sequence ...pretty cool.
a very cool problem with perfect squares.
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