Two Rapture Passages Pretribbers Can't Answer THE RAPTURE & ENDURANCE OF THE SAINTS

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[@shachahministry]

You handled it with kindness and grace. Thank you for sharing such solid teaching.

[@IGuess...]

Joel you WANT Christians to go through the tribulation and that's why you've CHOSEN to interpret scripture like this. You made up your mind than then went looking for how to convince people you're right. And that says a lot about you and your view of God.

[@jefftowell6139]

This argument requires that Paul is definitely referring to Matt 24:29-31. However the very point that Paul says is "by the word of the Lord" (i.e. that the dead in Christ precede those who are living) does NOT occur in Matt 24 anywhere. [1Th 4:15 NKJV] 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive [and] remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. The fact that there are some similar components between the rapture and the 2nd coming (i.e Jesus and angels and clouds are involved) is not sufficient to prove this is the same event. Without this proof the argument falls apart.

[@BobsClique]

Matthew 24 is a composite of numerous events that would occur at various points in time. You can't draw conclusions based simply on one verse. Even within the passage you highlighted, there are several events and timelines to consider rather than just one.

[@JB-dt9ef]

Oh, really? Where does the Bible say that?

[@Abacab965]

​@@JB-dt9efDon't be lazy ! Study for yourself .

[@TheRyno525]

@@Abacab965 He isn't being lazy he is asking a legitimate question, It is the pre trib belief that doesn't study, Pre tribbers pluck random verses and then say they imply something that isn't there.

[@lightspeedhorse8964]

@@TheRyno525he’s leaving key facts out: 1. “Every eye sees” means it’s at the end & the bride is coming with Him according to revelations & gathering those that believed during the tribulation 2. “After the tribulation” means Gid didn’t keep His word of protecting His people, just that anyone that suggests this is making God a liar. You have to ignore a lot of scripture for this

[@Timbo_tango]

@@TheRyno525 Youve never asked your self why the angles had to go throughout "heaven" and not earth to collect the saint have you?

[@populargsquad9449]

I must not understand something here…If we look at the next chapter, which is related, we read that just as peace and safety are said, then comes sudden destruction, Also, it says we are not appointed to wrath. If these are as it says, then the rapture cannot be after the tribulation, because why would God want to remove His elect after the horror and destruction, and tribulation has occurred…what would be the point?

[@RexusOutfitters]

We are not appointed to wrath, but trouble and tribulation is not the same as the final wrath. There have been many, many martyrs in Church history. The point of the Church going through the Tribulation is to give us the opportunity to be martyrs and rise to a better resurrection to rule on earth with Christ 1,000 years.

[@revelationminister1910]

The Wrath of the Lamb is not in the Tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31 mirrors Revelation 6:12-14 which is the 6th seal. Matthew 24:29 tells us the 6th seal (Wrath of the Lamb) does not open until after the Tribulation. I believe the 7th seal plays out as a rendition inside the 6th seal. What we don't see written in the 6th seal is described in the 7th seal writings. This tell me that the Wrath of the Lamb is not part of the Tribulation. Revelation 19:17 demonstrates the angel's shout as the angel is standing in the sun; and this shout is written as a loud cry out to all the birds to gather them together. We know that Zechariah 9:14 and Matthew 24:31 are the second coming, God blows His trumpet in these passages.

[@shaunclarkson7131]

and tribulation has occurred…what would be the point? The point is that on the day of the lord, (pre-wrath, or whatever) there are tons of old testament prophesies that divide people into groups. Joel 2 2-11 The army. I personally believe this is both Angels, the raised dead in Christ, and the "Raptured" who return with Christ moments after being "caught up" The other obvious group from this description, those on whom the wrath falls. Those that Survive and prosper in the land with the lord. Vs 17+ of those to "Call on the name of the lord Vs 23 Then we have a thousand years of "that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled". So another group of those that survive from other nations than Israel that finally recognize that Jesus is lord.

[@Michael_Chua]

Luke 21:36 kjv, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[@rustynut1967]

Yes, endure to the end.

[@scott596]

Question is Escape How ? Many ways of Escaping !

[@scott596]

Escaping Many Flee into the Wilderness Mountains ! Escape !

[@scott596]

He Who Endures to the End the Same Shall be Saved !

[@DaltonGrayMusic]

Escape like everyone else in the bible. 1. Prepare 2. Run to the wilderness or float in the storm (all of these scenarios are on earth)

[@mikecattermole2979]

Thank you Joel...I appreciate your attempt to try and explain these verses...though it's a good theory...you weren't able to convince me...I'm still pre trib...I've studied pre trib..mid trib and post trib for many years...and I've listened to various takes on all the variations...the only thing I can justify is pre trib...blessings on your teachings...we will see each other in heaven and that's ultimately what's most important Have you come to a place where you realize you're a sinner...accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and are living for the Lord...thats what's important

[@ettykoster]

You should study pre-wrath. That convinced me. Shalom! Etty

[@Hotel_Chuck]

I don’t think the coming of the Lord can be like a thief during the tribulation. But maybe. I’m with you. I learn toward the rapture, but more than anything I stay in the word and praying. Blessings.

[@dewalphneal2811]

@@Hotel_Chuck and you are right, the thief does not announce his arrival, but a great king does he cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him. His feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives. When he comes to gather his bride he remains in the clouds and we are caught up to him…and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[@Timbo_tango]

@@dewalphneal2811 Exactly two separate events. Why can’t the post tribs see it??

[@dewalphneal2811]

@@Timbo_tango I guess Jesus didn’t suffer enough for them. He did say “it is finished”

[@boomer1964]

My whole pre-trib belief is if you think about a true marriage would you not want to protect your bride to be from any harm? Why would Jesus treat us any different. Yes Jesus can protect his people from any and all danger, but why would he let us be beat up and then say I am here come to the marriage supper. This belief makes no sense to me. Harpazo and Rapturo are both in the original text which both are referencing the rapture. We are saved by Jesus Grace nothing else.

[@sloaneandres5291]

Philippines 1:9 For it has been appointed unto you to not only believe in Him but to suffer for his name sake. The line about "beating up his bride" is a modern phrase that is completely opposite what the Bible says. Believers have suffered for 2000 years. The Christians thrown to the lions in the first century were Jesus's bride too.

[@thomasstaples]

Plip1:29

[@candyhenderson8432]

2 Tim 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted John 15:20 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. Rev 2:10 10 Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown. Matt 5: 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

[@catwithacowboyhat]

This is actually the reason why pre-trib belief is dangerous. Joel pointed this out in one of his video; if (supposedly) that post-trib is correct, will pre-trib believers lose faith in God because “why would God beat up his wife”? Will they fall away because He did not meet our expectations/understanding? No matter what, just prepare for post. Love you brother

[@Stepwel4two]

I am not a theologian, but can understand we are to go through the tribulation, which is Satans (anti-Christ) persecution of the church, towards the end of this tribulation those who are still alive, will be Raptured. Why would it say, In Matthew, 24 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

[@dewalphneal2811]

If then when the night comes no man can work, he would just be in the way. The Church was not here for the first 69 weeks of years of Daniels Prophecy which culminated with the death of Christ, it will not be here during the seventieth week. Rapture BeReady! Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. WHO ARE DANIELS PEOPLE??? Would it be JACOB? Jesus has done these things for those who believe. Do you believe? 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

[@joyalways1179]

Let the Lord prepare you for anything, pre, post, mid. Many brothers and sister died in the pandemic. I believe the tribulation will be similar. Some will go, some will stay and get thru. But know this friends, it’s going to be awesome following our King no matter what happens! I played basketball in high school, the worst part was sitting the bench waiting for my turn as starting point guard. But, we finished it all as state champions. Jesus is our goal, even if our heads roll. We are winners because of His blood. Champions for Messiah!

[@badgergarage]

The sad part of being a pre-tribber is that when the tribulation starts and the rapture didn't happen, I'm affraid a lot of these folks are going to feel severly cheated, betrayed and let down to the point of falling away from Christ.

[@Scott767300]

Absolutely not true. Also, “falling away” is impossible.

[@MichaelKPerry]

Agree…they will be a part of the Apostasy…

[@user-os9in9pe1p]

Not Gonna Happen. I’m The Bride If Christ And Absolutely Will Not Be Here For Gods Wrath😊 Believe Whatever The Hell You Want! We Don’t Care One Bit About Your Doctrines if Demins😅😅

[@DaltonGrayMusic]

Yes. The devils plan is to starve them into the mark. He will succeed with many! It is unfortunate. But their hope was not in Jesus. It was in comfort!

[@Scott767300]

@@DaltonGrayMusic If their hope is not in Jesus then it is reasonable to question the status of their “Christianity”. The only people going in the rapture, whenever that may be, are real Christians. If you are a real Christian per 1 COR 15:1-4 who adds nothing of their own righteousness to the “credit column” you are going in the rapture. Period. Whenever it happens if you are still alive. A Christian’s “credit column” only has one line item entry-“the righteousness of Jesus”. Its imputed to them. The Christian’s debit column doesn’t exist any more….its been moved to Jesus’s debit column. No matter what one’s position on the rapture is, if your account looks like the above you are going to meet Jesus in the clouds one day if you are alive when it happens. In my opinion the only logical location of a rapture of the church is prior to Daniel’s 70th week….I believe REV 4’s beginning gives a clear picture of that. Jesus Himself says He won’t lose a single sheep. Do you believe Him? If we are here when the mark is implemented, Jesus will not allow a Christian to take it. Allowing it, results in Jesus having told a lie. Christians are sealed until the day of redemption, are one spirit with Jesus RIGHT NOW, are sons of God RIGHT NOW, are brothers of Jesus RIGHT NOW, are seated in heavenly places RIGHT NOW! What did God do to Moses when Moses struck “The Rock” instead of speaking to it? The Rock is a picture of Jesus. There were serious consequences. Moses is in Heaven however. We as Christians are ONE in spirit with Jesus right now! Brothers and sons of God right now! Is God going to allow Jesus to be struck again during the tribulation of Daniel’s 70th week? No! God Himself set the precedent with Moses! The pretrib position is scripturally sound and with solid precedent. If you are not a real Christian, why are you waiting…..

[@arliegage1380]

Most Important..make Sure you are Saved!!🎉

[@scott596]

And do as instructed Pray for the Greater Gift's of Dream's and Visions and the Greatest Gift of Prophecy ! Make Sure you are Empowered By the Power of the Holy Spirit ! As Jesus Christ Commanded His Apostle's and Believer's to be One with Each other and One with God and Jesus Christ Even as God is One through the Power of the Holy Spirit. And Remember Jesus Christ Said In the End of Day's I will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh and your son's and Daughter's will have Visions and your Old men will have Dream's and your young men will Prophecy ! Pray and you will Receive the Promise of God and Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit !

[@scott596]

What is the Promise of God and Jesus Christ ? By Faith We are the Seed of Abraham and the Promise of God and Jesus Christ !

[@sherrihall7102]

AMEN!!!!! and AMEN!!!!! He's coming soon!!!! Believers in Christ Jesus are NOT appointed to wrath>>>>>see all you guys in Heaven before the anti-christ is revealed!!!!!

[@stevenmoore9114]

Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. We will be with the LORD in the sky, and "those who dwell on the earth will be tribulation saints, the remnant WE FLY SOON

[@user-ov5sx6dt2i]

Jesus was speaking to ONE CHURCH in that passage... One out of SEVEN CHURCHES! And you AUTOMATICALLY assume you're a part of that church?????

[@RexusOutfitters]

"Hour of testing" could refer to Revelation 15:1, the final wrath in which humankind "still did not repent." Jesus said we'd go through persecutions at the End, so he couldn't have meant we'd be kept from ALL testing, just the final "hour of testing."

[@williambillycraig1057]

@@user-ov5sx6dt2i Good point, but the bigger point is that there is the one Chuch that is taken out. God bless

[@user-ov5sx6dt2i]

@@RexusOutfitters 👀💯

[@AshtonSWilson]

The word “keep” comes from the Greek τηρεω, which can also be translated “keep watch over, guard” or “preserve, hold on to so as to not lose it.” It does not necessarily denote God’s rapturing of the Church, just His protection of them. That could mean a pretrib rapture or a divine sheltering during the tribulation (as it was during the Plagues in Egypt), but it doesn’t necessitate the former.

[@willem790527]

“Because you have kept the word of My endurance [My command to persevere], I will keep you [safe] from the hour of trial, that hour which is about to come on the whole [inhabited] world, to test those who live on the earth.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬ ‭AMP‬‬

[@721075763]

you cannnot insert words or meanings when interpreting scripture, it does not mention rapture, clouds, air or angels here but history is cyclic, so perheps a group is sequestered like Noah or even Hebrew children during the plagues

[@mccabeianenator]

Just an observation- Unfortunately Christians may be slaughtered at the closing years of the age, as they were slaughtered at the starting years of the Church age. Yes, we are promised that if we keep his word to persevere, we will be kept from the hour of trial....and we are also told to pray that we may escape what is coming upon the earth....and yes, there may be a `Goshan` for us, as there was for the children of Israel during the 10 plagues against Pharaoh. Just a (theological) observation

[@BIG_r.]

Revelation 3:10 kjv Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. There are 7 churches that are mentioned in Revelation and one of them is the church in Philadelphia rev. 3:7-13. This verse speaks of their time in the first century AD the churches were suffering persecution from the Roman empire during their time 2,000 years ago. Jesus is very specific that these words are for the Church in Philadelphia located in Turkey (not located somewhere in Chicago or Detroit) in which the church is no longer an active that people used to gather and pray.. first of, no historical records that any of them were harpazo. 2nd --> if you believe that it's a future event then you must also believe what is saith to the chuch of Smyrna rev. 2:8-10 why don't talk about this verse? Revelation 2:10 kjv Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life

[@kennedybutiko7651]

Indeed He will keep us safe not away from..

[@williambillycraig1057]

@@kennedybutiko7651 Thank you for posting, but the promise is out from, not safe in. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. "keep you from the hour" From = "indicating the point in space or time at which a journey, process, or action starts." (1) (1) Catherine Soanes and Angus Stevenson, eds., Concise Oxford English Dictionary (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2004). Thank you and God bless.

[@MvK-Delta]

What seals the deal for me is Matthew 24 & revelation 6. There is literally no room for pre trib when you connect these verses & no pre trib believer has ever refuted this nor can. Notice in matthew 24 Jesus says then there will be great tribulation…. Then immediately AFTER the tribulation the sun goes black, moon turns blood, stars fall from heaven & great earthquake then Jesus appears. So just note: the sun,moon,star & earthquake signs appear after the tribulation. The tribulation occurs then these sun,moon,star,earthquake signs occur it’s what finishes the tribulation off. But in revelation 6:12-17 the opening of the sixth seal (Gods wrath) begins with the sun going black, moon turning blood, stars falling from heaven & a great earthquake.:….. which means the wrath of God begins AFTER those sun,moon,star signs in revelation which then means the great tribulation cannot be Gods wrath. Using the signs (sun, moon, star, earthquake) you can see a clear distinction of time frame from tribulation and wrath of God. These signs occur post tribulation but pre wrath which means we will all be here for the great tribulation, then the sun moon star earthquake sign appears then the wrath of God begins immediately. This is where we would be raptured. Pre trib believers have been duked hard

[@brendac4283]

Totally agree! Also, I have found that the following passages add to this truth as they also align with Matthew 24 & Rev 6. They too include the stars, sun, moon, heavens being rolled up, earth being shaken, etc. all before the wrath of God. Isaiah 13:10-13 “The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light. I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the Lord Almighty, in the day of his burning anger.” ‭ Isaiah 34:1-4 “Come near, you nations, and listen; pay attention, you peoples! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, the world, and all that comes out of it! The Lord is angry with all nations; his wrath is on all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter. Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will stink; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.” ‭‭ Joel 2:10-11 “Before them the earth shakes, the heavens tremble, the sun and moon are darkened, and the stars no longer shine. The Lord thunders at the head of his army; his forces are beyond number, and mighty is the army that obeys his command. The day of the Lord is great; it is dreadful. Who can endure it?” ‭‭ Joel 3:14-16 “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon will be darkened, and the stars no longer shine. The Lord will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; the earth and the heavens will tremble. But the Lord will be a refuge for his people, a stronghold for the people of Israel.”

[@MvK-Delta]

@@brendac4283 thank you for sharing 😊

[@melissaward1812]

Todd Adkins also has this viewpoint as well (that the wrath starts at the 6th seal). I find it interesting.

[@shaunclarkson7131]

Don't forget all the Old Testament passages that also Refer to the Sun and Moon going dark, and the day of the Lord. Joel 2 10 and then 31

[@kowindsurf1590]

tribulation is the judgement and wrath of God. he treads the winepress. we are not appointed to wrath.

[@RexusOutfitters]

A great army of Believers, in Revelation, come out of the tribulation. The final wrath starting in Revelation 15:1 is for pagans remaining after the rapture.

[@dewalphneal2811]

Some of you guys remind me of Peter “Lord I will die for you.” But in the dreaded shadow of the cross he folded. May it never be so! The night cometh when no man can work.

[@Glory.To.God.In.The.Highest]

An excellent excerpt from an article taken from: Why a Pretribulational Rapture? Richard Mayhue - Volume 10, Number 2 At the rapture, Christ comes in the air and returns to heaven (1 4:17), but at the final event of the second coming, Christ comes to the earth to dwell and reign (Matt. 25:31-32). At the rapture, Christ gathers His own (1 4:16-17), but at the final event of the second coming, angels gather the elect (Matt. 24:31). At the rapture, Christ comes to reward (1 4:17), but at the final event of the second coming, Christ comes to judge (Matt. 25:31-46). At the rapture, resurrection is prominent (1 4:15-16), but at the final event of the second coming, resurrection is not mentioned. At the rapture, believers depart the earth (1 4:15-17), but at the final event of the second coming, unbelievers are taken away from the earth (Matt. 24:37-41). At the rapture, unbelievers remain on earth, but at the final event of the second coming, believers remain on earth (M 25:34). At the rapture, there is no mention of establishing Christ’s Kingdom on earth, but at the final event of the second coming, Christ has come to set up His Kingdom on earth (Matt. 25:31, 34). At the rapture, believers will receive glorified bodies (cf. 1 15:51-57), but at the final event of the second coming, no one will receive glorified bodies.

[@myheart4jesus]

We will not fall away from Christ if we aren't raptured. We know that Jesus says we must not lose faith . Keep our eyes on him . Remember -ie promises and endure til the end. We know there is a fight. We are fighters.

[@DaltonGrayMusic]

Many will

[@scott596]

He Who Endures to the End the Same Shall be Saved

[@jeannabug94]

Many will indeed fall away!

[@scott596]

@@jeannabug94 He Who Endures to the End the Same Shall be Saved

[@scott596]

@@jeannabug94 The Saint's Believer's are Purified By the Fires of the Tribulations

[@Beencouraged777]

I looked at both the scripture references. Thessalonians concerns the rapture. The Matthew scripture reference concerns the Second Coming, not the Rapture. We must understand the Rapture and II Coming are two separate events. With that understanding there should be no confusion. Just because a trumpet is blown in both scriptures or a gathering and catching away occurs , it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the same event. You can’t assume it is. You can however, safely assume it is Not because God instructed Israel to blow trumpets on various occasions at different times of the year. The Apostle Paul clearly reminded the church in Thessalonians “we are not appointed to wrath.” The context concerns the Tribulation. So, how can anyone believe we will go through the Tribulation. It is a time When God turns his attention back towards the nation of Israel and the pouring out of his wrath on the wicked. There is a time and season for all things. The church will be removed before the wrath of God is poured out because it’s just time, our season and the purpose for which we existed will be up. The church is God’s representative on earth for a purpose, time and a season. What will be the purposes of us going being a part of the wrath of God? a chariot took Elijah to heaven because it was his time, his assignment and purpose was completed. The Spirit snatched the Evangelist Phillip from one location and set him in another location, his assignment was up in the previous location got the moment. God moves his troops in and out at the time and location as he deems necessary. Besides two different terms are used - “gather” and “caught up,” they have different meaning in the Greek. Caught up is to “seize” or “snatch’ out, suggesting a quick removal for safety reasons, to “gather” does not carry the same tone. The gathering is to separate; the scripture says, God will send his angels to separate the sheep from the Goat. Again, the scripture is clear, God has not appointed us to wrath (I Thessalonians 1:10). Those being “gathered” in Matthew Ch 24 will have been those who were left behind and during the tribulation came to faith in Christ, including some Jews. God will then gather or separate them from the goat nations. It does not say they will be “caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Revelation is strictly about the wrath of God, Millennial reign of Christ, etc., The saints (church) is with him when he comes to earth, the angels will gather the tribulation saints to Christ at his second coming to earth, not in the air. In the Rapture he does not come down from the sky to earth, that is reserved for his second coming. Yvette Causey

[@shaunclarkson7131]

Do a study on the old and new testament references to the sun and moon going dark as part of the day of the lord. It will be an eye opening experience, if you let it.

[@larryelliott6321]

Great simple straightforward teaching! In Bible School I learned "If the common sense makes sense, seek no other sense." I've come to a pre-wrath position on the rapture of the dead and the living. This is the great sealed up mystery we learn about in the context of Revelation 10 &11. There is only one "Coming of the Lord." ⚡☁ מרנאתא‎

[@cathyhouser8745]

Even if we are wrong about the pretrib rapture, that is the only hope we have. Why would you want to take that away from us? Just seems mean. We will be here or we won’t. It’s up to God.

[@jeannemaxwell3173]

That's not mean. As a teacher he's called to teach the truth and he will be accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ for what he teaches. The only hope any of us have is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and He will see us through any and all tribulation that comes our way.

[@stevenmoore9114]

I didnt see anyone explain our Blessed hope, "comfort each other with these words. what comfort is, dont worry your gonna be starved, over vaccinated, poisoned, and beheaded, be comforted. What are we also waiting and watching for, IF he does not come get us to meet him in the sky??

[@RexusOutfitters]

Theories of the rapture are a minor theological quibble in the big picture. If you're not interested in the debate, then love the Lord with all your heart no matter what and don't sweat it the rapture debate.

[@suzannakoizumi8605]

Thoughts: the early Church fathers had no rapture. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches have no rapture. That really should settle it.

[@JohnHH59]

Excellent teaching, Brother Joel. Your teaching is doctrinally solid and you are respectful to all the Brethren who do not yet see what you have.

[@JoelRichardson]

The survivors. Of both the Jews who get saved after He returns, as well as the survivors from among the nations. Read Zechariah 14 at the end.

[@radardog88]

@@JoelRichardson Exactly! That's who's being gathered in Matt 24:31 and Matt 25:32. In Matt 24:31, the “elect” are gathered. In Matt 25:32, the “nations” are gathered. Who are the “elect” in Matt 24:31? The elect are the “brothers and sisters of Mine” in Matt 25:40: “And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it for one of the least of these brothers or sisters of Mine, you did it for Me.’” 24:31 is not the rapture.

[@TMF-WARRIORS]

So years ago I read the book by Marvin Rosenthal The pre wrath rapture of the church. I do believe it could go either way. I have a struggle understanding however that if a marriage supper last 7 days then representing seven years then wouldn't it make sense that we could possibly be in heaven celebrating with Christ during that period of the tribulation?

[@shaunclarkson7131]

That assumes that the marriage supper happens instantly. Joel 2 however has the order of "Day of the lord, and the large battle", 2-11, followed by the restoration of Israel using again he symbolism of marriage. 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

[@willem790527]

“But understand this: If the head of the house had known what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore, you [who follow Me] must also be ready; because the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭43‬-‭44‬ ‭AMP‬‬ The bible says 7 years after the temple is build and a peace treaty with the Antichrist then the second coming will happen but a rapture sounds like an hour when you do not expect Him?

[@shaunclarkson7131]

Those that walk in darkness are blind, but we do not walk in darkness. "As in the days of Noah" Well guess what, Noah knew what was coming, and was not surprised. The only range of ignorance that is clearly given is 48hrs. (No man knows the Day and hour). We have also been told to "look up, and lift up your heads;" Luke 21 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Note: Again, the signs of the sun and moon are what we should expect to see BEFORE our redemption draws nigh.

[@cherylhubert2713]

Thank you. I’m asking the Holy Spirit to guide me in truth. Have a good week everyone. Maranatha🙏🏼❤️

[@Beencouraged777]

Consider the following: I looked at both the scripture references. Thessalonians concerns the rapture. The Matthew scripture reference concerns the Second Coming, not the Rapture. We must understand the Rapture and II Coming are two separate events. With that understanding there should be no confusion. Just because a trumpet is blown in both scriptures or a gathering and catching away occurs , it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the same event. You can’t assume it is. You can however, safely assume it is Not because God instructed Israel to blow trumpets on various occasions at different times of the year. The Apostle Paul clearly reminded the church in Thessalonians “we are not appointed to wrath.” The context concerns the Tribulation. So, how can anyone believe we will go through the Tribulation. It is a time When God turns his attention back towards the nation of Israel and the pouring out of his wrath on the wicked. There is a time and season for all things. The church will be removed before the wrath of God is poured out because it’s just time, our season and the purpose for which we existed will be up. The church is God’s representative on earth for a purpose, time and a season. What will be the purposes of us going being a part of the wrath of God? a chariot took Elijah to heaven because it was his time, his assignment and purpose was completed. The Spirit snatched the Evangelist Phillip from one location and set him in another location, his assignment was up in the previous location got the moment. God moves his troops in and out at the time and location as he deems necessary.

[@Rixster53]

⁠@@Beencouraged777I believe you are rightly “dividing” the word of truth my sister!🥰 I agree with you! And there are many other scriptures that confirm your (and Paul’s) point

[@stevenmoore9114]

…16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.…

[@radardog88]

One question, Joel. Are you saying that Matt 24:31 Is the rapture? If so, how does that effect your "pre wrath" view? Seems to me that you would have to abandon that position and adopt a post-trib rapture view.

[@tony.biondi]

Excellent! Thank you.

[@brendac4283]

Amen! This is very logical and clear. I also think it is interesting that the original 1611 KJV Bible has 1 Thes 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:52 as sidenote references next to Matthew 24:31. That means the resurrection/rapture occurring *AFTER* the tribulation at the sound of the last trumpet was believed and taught by this very trusted bible translation over 400 years ago.

[@JSGenesisDesigns]

One mistake people make is they always separate jew gentile or church Israel. The only separation is this. Two houses. Ephraim lost children northern house and Judah the southern house....

[@scott596]

Who is Israel ? Daniel 9 Say's your People and your City named after the Lord, ( Israel). Jesus Christ is the Lord Israel, and the Tribe's of Israel are the Natural Branches and Christians are the Wild Branches Both Grafted into Israel Jesus Christ so there is Neither Jew nor Gentile All One in Israel Jesus Christ !

[@deannahoffmann402]

Can You post this more extensive chart perhaps on your website please, for I would appreciate a copy of this ! Thank you and God Bless your teachings! I listened to 3 or4 of your videos last Sunday Afternoon! I have never been pre trib, for when. I came to The Lord 53 years ago, I asked The Lord to give me the same hunger for His Word that I saw some teenagers had! H3tookme in a trip through Scriptures Isaiah 26, 1 Corinthians 15: 51 and following Matthew 24, 4 & 5, and in Revelation of Jesus, where twice it says this calls for the patience and endurance if the saints! Ephesians # where it talks about 1 new man, Jew and Gentile brought together in Christ! Plus so many more! Th@nk you for posting these on You Tube!

[@timfinch7857]

Even though I lean towards a mid-week post trib/pre-wrath position, I have great respect for brother Joel and his teachings. I certainly am open to a end of week post-trib/post-wrath position. Just working things out in my mind and heart.

[@seasquawker]

I think that there must be some amount of time inbetween the rapture and the 2nd coming. We see the 5th Trumpet lasts for 5 months, meaning there must be at least this amount of time inbetween the events in Revelation 6:12-17 with the signs in the sun, moon, and stars (which match Matthew 24:29-31) and the 2nd coming in Revelation 19. Therefore, Matthew 24 is not describing Revelation 19 as many think, it is describing Revelation 6. Note that Jesus is seen by the people of earth in Revelation 6:16 when they cry, "hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb." This matches the "mourning" that we read about in Matthew 24:30 when the sign of the Son of Man is seen in the heavens. The gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31 and the innumerable multitude suddenly found in heaven in Revelation 7 is the rapture. Then God's wrath commences with the trumpet and Bowl judgments... again, these judgments lasting at least 5 months according to the 5th Trumpet in Revelation 9, but more likely much longer than this. Maybe even a couple years? We know the gathering of the elect occurs after the abomination of desolation according to Matthew 24:15-31, but how far into that 2nd 3.5 years does it occur? We do not know? The Day is unknown as we are told in Matthew 24:36. But the signs in the sun, moon, and stars is the last sign we will see before we are told to lift up our heads and look up for our redemption. Luke 21:25-28.

[@rachelprovenza1942]

This is beautifully said. I was a pre-trib believer for 40 years, until I started studying the seals/trumpets/bowls on my own 10+ years ago. There’s no reason to become so angry and mean because scripture study leads to a different belief. I would much rather still believe in pre-trib, if I had felt it was true. But there’s just too many hurdles to overcome with the pre-trib mindset. Whatever your studies lead you to, please remain humble and willing to seek answers.

[@RexusOutfitters]

Same. Trying to piece it together, more as a hobby than anything else. The important thing is faith expressing itself through love and being a new creation - no matter how it all goes down. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

[@JesusChristKing]

Joel, foremost the Lord bless your ministry abundantly, and give you exceedingly great wisdom. The Rapture doctrine was not first revealed unto Paul; Jesus spoke of it first in John 14, not Matthew 24: “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.” - John 14:2-3 Jesus’ detailed explanation of Matthew 24 speaks solely of His Second Coming. Here’s why, notice the wording in verse 30: “And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” Will ALL the tribes of the earth mourn at Christ’s sudden appearance at the Rapture? No, of course not-we as believers who are alive and remain will absolutely rejoice as we are caught up to be with the Lord forever. We can Scripturally correlate Matthew 24:30 with Zechariah 12:10- “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” Also keep in mind that Jesus fulfilled the first four Spring feasts during His first coming to Israel, and so will fulfill the remaining three Fall feasts at His Second Coming. There are multiple trumpets (being blown) throughout Revelation alone, but understand that the trumpet to be sounded in Matthew 24:31 is not associated with the Rapture because it will be the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) when King Jesus returns to Mount Zion and commands His holy angels to gather the elect-commencing the “Sheep and Goats” Judgment. Lastly, we must understand the purpose of the Rapture. The reason why there will be a sudden snatching away/seizing of all Christians to the sky by the power of Lord Jesus is not a spectacle-it’s to immediately remove all believers from impending destruction that will flood planet earth with fire. The Rapture is the escape of all believers in Jesus Christ from the soon Tribulation, just as Lot and his family escaped from Sodom and Gomorrah at the last second from total annihilation. The Lord Jesus Christ commands us to watch and be ready at all times for His return, which implies the imminence of His appearance. With all of this said and understood, I will close with two simple Bible verses from Revelation which confirm the imminence of the Rapture: “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” - Revelation 5:9-10 Thus, all tribes of the earth who are believers of Jesus will rejoice in exceeding glory at the Rapture, but all tribes of the world will mourn with unbearable fear and sorrow at Christ’s Second Coming.

[@TheWhiteMokona]

also pre-tribber thank you for that verse in rev 5, I never caught that -- as you know there are many, so that is another. I'm just worried about the amillenials tbh and that is a good one to share.

[@nathanieljones5966]

Well spoken brother brother

[@brendac4283]

Believers are not among those who mourn. Believers marvel at his 2nd coming. “God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might ON THE DAY he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be **MARVELED AT AMONG ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BELIEVED** . This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.” ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1‬:‭5‬-‭10

[@woewoewoe2262]

THIS IS A SALVATION ISSUE. The Apostle Paul warned us that there would be believers with itching ears who will not follow sound doctrine but instead, they will seek out teachings that their itching ears want to hear. In this case, some believers want to believe in a pre-trib rapture because they don’t want to go through persecution. In the Book of Revelation, the promised blessings to the seven churches are only promised to the overcomers. Being taken out of the world before the persecution and tribulation starts is not being an overcomer. The salvation of believers in the pre-trib rapture camp is in danger because when the pre-trib rapture doesn’t happen, will they have the spiritual fortitude to remain strong in their faith amidst what is coming? Many will not and will fall away in their faith. And according to Matthew 24:13, only those who survive until the end (not before the end) will be saved.

[@RexusOutfitters]

Opinions on the rapture are minor theological quibbles and are NOT a salvation issue.

[@woewoewoe2262]

@@RexusOutfitters The body of Christ should be in boot camp, bracing and strengthening themselves in Jesus, preparing for all-out war, the war of all wars. But instead, through this doctrine of demons known as the pre-tribulation rapture theory, the sheep have been misled into thinking that they won’t be here during the tribulation period. They think the call for patience and faithfulness in the Book of Revelation is not for them. How wrong they are! Is the present day church ready for martyrdom? No, they are not! Many of the sheep are waiting to be raptured out of here and, like the teachers who have misled them, they are oblivious to the sounds of war in the heavenlies. And if they remain in that state-oblivious to the gathering armies in the heavens-and do not prepare themselves for what is about to happen, then soon when all hell literally breaks loose upon the earth, they will be sitting ducks for the hordes of hell to take out, they will be trampled underfoot by the enemy, they will be cannon fodder for the Devil and his forces. And yes, this is a salvation issue, for Jesus said only those who survive until the end will be saved (MATT 24:13). Those who believe in this doctrine of demons are in danger of getting taken out prematurely and losing their salvation. So for those of you who believe in a pre-trib rapture, if you expect to survive until the end-whether the end for you is martyrdom or the Second Coming-then cut out this nonsense of thinking you won’t be here during the tribulation period and run, not walk, but run for cover in the shadow of the wings of the Most High (PSALM 91)! Strengthen yourself in the LORD now while you still can lest you falter and fall away because of the persecution that is coming!

[@shaunclarkson7131]

It might be a "future" salvation issue. As in, the "Falling away" being triggered by the appearance of the Islamic Prophet pretending to be Jesus, and since so many Christians will see the "false prophet" perform miracles (calling down fire from heaven etc). Now add in the recent liberal, anti bible, cessationist teachings and not following the spirt trend in many churches and its not hard to see how the majority of the church being horribly wrong on the Pre-Trib rapture point of view. That could easily trigger a massive "falling away" and I then I could easily see the potential fulfillment of Matt 24 : 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Immediately after the start of the tribulation/arrival of the false prophet. So not directly a salvation issue, but certainly a potential massive stumbling block.

[@lephaisekokotla8433]

Paul consistently used the pronoun "we" in 1Thes.4. He is simply affirming the position held by all the apostles concerning the coming of the Lord. There is no room for a personal revelation in the text.

[@scott596]

The position of the Harpazo Rapture Gathering Up Together with the Dead in Christ when Jesus Christ Said Immediately After the Tribulations of those Day's

[@jadabengston5454]

Im interested in the Rev.14 harvest and the dead in Christ in rev. 20. Is this the same description of the rapture? No time frame is mentioned.

[@ignatswinston5460]

Clear and consice explanation, and 👍 on your grace with purpose toward those who cling tenaciously to Pretrib. Quite frankly, without the comparison of the two passages, simply a brief contemplarion of who we are as followers of Christ should tell us that Christ is brilluantly revealed to the lost through suffering/persecuted Believers. A glance through history should be sufficient to illustrate that truth. Thank you for putting together this short video.

[@scott596]

Absolutely Right

[@vickieadams6648]

Great point. The American church doesn't want to go through the Tribulation. It's terrifying according to that description. Most of the others in the world are accustomed to hardships of persecution (we aren't) and are hoping it will go away 😂.

[@scott596]

@@vickieadams6648 True

[@scott596]

@@vickieadams6648 Saint's Believer's Purified By Fires of the Tribulations

[@Beencouraged777]

I looked at both the scripture references. Thessalonians concerns the rapture. The Matthew scripture reference concerns the Second Coming, not the Rapture. We must understand the Rapture and II Coming are two separate events. With that understanding there should be no confusion. Just because a trumpet is blown in both scriptures or a gathering and catching away occurs , it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the same event. You can’t assume it is. You can however, safely assume it is Not because God instructed Israel to blow trumpets on various occasions at different times of the year. The Apostle Paul clearly reminded the church in Thessalonians “we are not appointed to wrath.” The context concerns the Tribulation. So, how can anyone believe we will go through the Tribulation. It is a time When God turns his attention back towards the nation of Israel and the pouring out of his wrath on the wicked. There is a time and season for all things. The church will be removed before the wrath of God is poured out because it’s just time, our season and the purpose for which we existed will be up. The church is God’s representative on earth for a purpose, time and a season. What will be the purposes of us going being a part of the wrath of God? a chariot took Elijah to heaven because it was his time, his assignment and purpose was completed. The Spirit snatched the Evangelist Phillip from one location and set him in another location, his assignment was up in the previous location got the moment. God moves his troops in and out at the time and location as he deems necessary.

[@gregbaugh7640]

Praise Jesus however it plays out …

[@thomasfholland]

I am always thankful when it’s Joel making the study of the scriptures. You might disagree with Joel on certain aspects but when has completed his analyzation on this specific topic being the focus - you will come to the realization that everything Joel has said is correct. So listen and of course be critical regarding Joel’s own conclusions. You will find out that in the end Joel will be found correct regarding the his understanding of the Holy Scriptures.

[@TonyEngen]

I wouldn't say Joel is 100% correct 100% of the time, because Joel is not Jesus, and Jesus is the only person who ever lived that can make that claim. But I will say, Joel is far more right when it comes to eschatological issues than just about anyone else I've ever heard, namely because brother does his homework.

[@mkl2237]

PreTrib Rapture sure strains to support itself and yet… folks cling to it more tightly than almost any other topic aside from maybe the “Once Saved Always Saved” slogan.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Both camps are filled with people that know they'll only follow Christ as long as there's no cost.

[@jwil6234]

Just ask the Christians in the Middle East

[@tomasz8310]

becouse its demonic teaching.. biblie says that when the pre trib wont come they will get angry and betray others brothers and sisters i was pre trib, when i holly ghost opened my eyes a was sick for two weeks.. like addict

[@Beencouraged777]

Consider this: I looked at both the scripture references. Thessalonians concerns the rapture. The Matthew scripture reference concerns the Second Coming, not the Rapture. We must understand the Rapture and II Coming are two separate events. With that understanding there should be no confusion. Just because a trumpet is blown in both scriptures or a gathering and catching away occurs , it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the same event. You can’t assume it is. You can however, safely assume it is Not because God instructed Israel to blow trumpets on various occasions at different times of the year. The Apostle Paul clearly reminded the church in Thessalonians “we are not appointed to wrath.” The context concerns the Tribulation. So, how can anyone believe we will go through the Tribulation. It is a time When God turns his attention back towards the nation of Israel and the pouring out of his wrath on the wicked. There is a time and season for all things. The church will be removed before the wrath of God is poured out because it’s just time, our season and the purpose for which we existed will be up. The church is God’s representative on earth for a purpose, time and a season. What will be the purposes of us going being a part of the wrath of God? a chariot took Elijah to heaven because it was his time, his assignment and purpose was completed. The Spirit snatched the Evangelist Phillip from one location and set him in another location, his assignment was up in the previous location got the moment. God moves his troops in and out at the time and location as he deems necessary.

[@mkl2237]

@@Beencouraged777 if you’re right, bonus for me. But… If you’re wrong… and many great expositors show that you’re wrong, then ouch… you’re in for a difficult surprise, and some won’t be ready. Thx for the reply but you haven’t proved anything

[@mytwocents777]

Please also see the 7-minute video entitled, "The Pre-tribulation Rapture: Disproven by Scripture".

[@carstenoelke3507]

This is exactly, what I am talking about everytime, when it comes to a discussion or an argue about wheather there it is a pretrib or a posttrib rapture. Additional and according to these passages we can read in the Book of Revelation 20, 4-6 about the souls of those, who were beheaded because of their whitness of Jesus and for the sake of the word of god, those who didn't worship the beast and didn't take the mark of the beast. These are those, who came out of the great tribulation, according to Revelation 7, 14 - 17, who cleansed their clothes and brightened their clothes in the blood of the lamb. They will participate in the first ressurrection. The entire bible is teaching only about two ressurrections in the day of the Lord. The first ressurrection before the thousand years reign of Christ, the second ressurrection after the thousand years reign of Christ. "Blessed are those, who participate in the first ressurrection. The second death has no power over these." Paul clearly taught, that there will be the ressurrection of the dead in Christ before the rapture. So the many believers, who will die in the great tribulation are also included in this ressurrection. Therefore the rapture cannot be before the great tribulation. It's impossible, to keep that false pretrib teachings alive, if we be honest with and to the word of god.^^

[@sergiolima444]

Correct. Once Jesus himself says AFTER the tribulation...he will gather his elect, that should settle it. And yet, here we are in 2023 still having to repeat the obvious.

[@jeannemaxwell3173]

Yes AMEN! Finally someone interprets Revelation 20 like I was led several years ago. Blessings

[@JD-fd1rl]

Isn't the second resurrection to also include unbelievers as well so they may partake of the final judgement?

[@carstenoelke3507]

@@JD-fd1rl Yes, in the second ressurrection all unbelievers and wicked will arise for the final judgement. Also those "christians", who always believed, they are christians, but never were reborn in the spirit. In this final judgement the people will be judged by their deeds; and those, whose names aren't written in the book of life, will be cast into the lake of fire. I understand this, that their is a chance for those, who participate in the second ressurrection, to get eternal life, too. If their names are written in the book of life from the beginning. The point is, that there is no report in the entire bible, where anyones name gets written into the book of life. There are only reports and warnings, that names will be canceled out of the book of life. That brings me to the conclusion, that every human's name is written in the book of life, but many names will be canceled at one point in their lifes because of their bad deeds and repentless hearts. But all, who participate in the first ressurrection, are saved forever. They cannot be condemned anymore.

[@Cpnpd922]

Who will populate the earth during the 1000 years if all the believers are raptured and resurrected when Jesus returns to set up his kingdom?

[@chriskelly4751]

Being as respectful as possible, James 3:1 applies to this teaching. Be careful of deception, Matt 24:4

[@lt5456]

Joel, why are you talking about pre-trib and pre-wrath as if they are the same things? The Scripture teaches that we are saved from God's wrath (orge), so the rapture clearly reffers to pre-wrath time. Tribulation in Greek is "thlipsis" which we have to go through, not "orge".

[@castromarcio]

Furthermore, these verses shatter any perception of a pre-tribulation. 2Ths 1:7-10: "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."

[@Cpnpd922]

How does a description of the second coming shatter a perception of pre-trib position? I may very well be missing something here. I'm slow sometimes.

[@jackiemirza8068]

Mathew 24:29-31.... this verse is when Jesus comes and touches down on the mount of olives at the END of the Tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 4-15-28 This is when Jesus comes before the great 7yr. Great Tribulation in the clouds. He will catch up all who are dead in Christ (in graves) first, then all Believers that still remain alive will be caught up after to. These are two totally different times. God Bless All..... ✝️💗

[@spitfire5451]

For, let it be according to your faith. I for one, know that I will be one of those coming back with the Lord Jesus, following Him on a white horse with a multitude of believers on white horses. When Jesus comes in His second coming, we will be with Him. We will conquer the devil and the Antichrist, and they will be put in bondage for a thousand years. The seven years preceding that return, will find us in heaven at the Supper of the Groom. See, I have a white horse to meet and become accustomed too. God Bless you all.🥰😍🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🕛

[@whitehorserider19.11]

Amen! Even so come, Lord Jesus, come!

[@rachelgarcia4301]

I respect Richardson, but I wish he'd tell us who populates the millennial kingdom if all saints are glorified at the 2nd coming.

[@badgergarage]

There is a Jewish remnant who survives on the earth after Armageddon and Jesus returns to Jerusalem. They are newly converted Christians who will repopulate and rebuild and again be deceived by Satan towards the end of the millennium.

[@michaelhaller784]

The simple answer is that not everyone is glorified at the return of Jesus. There are some stories in the Bible that hint people under the age of twenty will not be glorified: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego passed alive through the fiery furnace...they were probably between the ages of 13 to 20. See Daniel 3:26. God said that nobody over the age of 20 would enter into the Promised Land alive. See Numbers 14:29. Also, the Apostle Paul said that an believing wife sanctified her children and unbelieving husband, perhaps a believing spouse can save an unbelieving spouse and children from being judged when Jesus returns. See 1st Corinthians 7:14.

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

All that's needed is for there to be a sufficient population of unbelievers who didn't receive the mark of the beast. Note that Revelation does not say these will _all_ have been killed. Their number could include so-called Christians who weren't true Christians (cf. Matthew 24:42-51) yet refused to take the mark, followers of other religions who refused to take the mark, and children too young to take the mark.

[@user-ur5kr7bd3j]

Good question

[@scott596]

That's a Very Simple Question My Friend ! The Nation's of People who didn't get Changed Transformed into Eternal Physical Body of Flesh Bone and Spirit Forever and Gathered Up Together with the Dead in Christ. Those left behind for the Wrath of Jesus Christ when he returns in the Cloud's of Heaven with all his Saint's Not some of His Saint's All His Saint's for the Wrath of Jesus Christ and to Rule and Reign with Him for a Thousand Year's over the Nation's of People with a Iron Rod from Jerusalem Israel. And for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb Jesus Christ. Those people will live under the Rule and Reign of Jesus Christ and the Saint's for a Thousand years and Then Satan Allah will be Released again from the Pit to Lead astray a Third of the population to make War One Last time against the Son of God Jesus Christ and the Saint's, ! Then Satan Allah Death and Hell an All Who chose to follow him will be Cast Alive into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone Forever and Ever Without End and Cast into Outer Darkness Forever and Ever Without End.

[@willem790527]

“For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark,” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭37‬-‭38‬ ‭AMP‬‬ Will people Marry and drink and feast in the great Tribulation when decease and war and famine roams the earth with earthquakes and billions of death and beheadings and peace is taken from the earth and food prices will be a day’s wages for one person?

[@christinekeefe3553]

Thank you Joel. I agree it must be Post Trib. Two questions: why do you refer in your video to Post-Tribbers and Pre-Wrathers together as though they are the same? If the Rapture is Post Trib then it is after the wrath. Isn't the wrath the last 3 1/2 years of the 7 year trib? Second question: where do you see John 14: 1-5 coming in to play? If the rapture is essentially the same thing as the second coming then all believers will be here on earth with Christ who reigns for 1000 years until the new Jerusalem is established here on Earth. Thank you for your response.

[@RexusOutfitters]

Good questions. I wonder the same.

[@dalepederson8159]

The written Word of the Lord . The Torah, Prophet,and Writings, it's all in there. The catching away for the coronation of the KING AND His wedding.

[@jamesfranksontettey2677]

Please Lord Jesus if you don't teach them by your Spirit the Four Churches of Salvation in redemptive history as you taught me after I met you at the Throne when I died on admission at the hospital, they won't understand the Word of God. Everyone is wrong and until I preach nobody will understand.

[@hisgroup3870]

The Lord appeared to Believers after His Resurection. At His appearing, Jesus only references the dead in Christ and us who are alive At His coming the whole world sees Him and mourns. We are to comfort one another with these words. There is no comfort for the world at His coming.

[@eleeshachapman15]

The pre tribbers I've shared your teachings with, Joel have listened and then consciously, intentionally and decidedly chose to remain pre trib. Then not long after, totally forget these clear arguments that prove the pre trib doctrine to be totally flawed. It is a spirit of deception at work. I'm convinced of it. And many pre tribbers will say, "Well, it doesn't really matter. We can all disagree on this and have our own opinion. The bible isn't clear." But that's not true. The bible is clear. We should agree on the doctrine of the Second Coming and prepare one another for the events surrounding it. The unclear things such as the exact day and hour, who the Antichrist will be, and other obscure things that scripture isn't clear on, we can disagree and have 'opinions.' But I believe any deception over written Scripture is dangerous and should be refuted in gentleness and love and with clear, irrefutable explanation. And if that causes divisions, it may be for the better. As Paul said, divisions are sometimes necessary. Not that we seek to divide the body of Christ, but Truth, like a sword can and does divide. And I anticipate this subject to bring a sword of separation in the days ahead unfortunately but many will also see that a post trib understanding is the correct one. Not because we want it to be necessarily, but because the apostles and prophets and Messiah Himself, wrote it that way by the Spirit!

[@mrlukenukem88]

Hmm I think there is a difference between the trumpets, trump of god is feast of trumpets(gathering together) the trumpet of the angel is the last trumpet in rev.

[@eleeshachapman15]

@@mrlukenukem88 You know, as a 18 year old (many years a go) I never would of even thought of that. I simply read Matthew 24 and the other Scriptures and concluded there was one Second Coming, at the last Trump. Then I read Revelations, and saw there were 7 trumps, and at the last trump the 'kingdoms become Christ's' and the mystery of God is complete. It all lines up. Every Second Coming Scripture has the same theme, same events surrounding it and if you don't infer any other ideas into the Scripture like a 'feast of trump' then you will be certain of one Second Coming at the last of the 7 trumps. The post trip position is the most comprehensive, clearest, scripturally consistent and sound. It also makes us stronger in our faith, compelling us to prepare to endure to the end. Two different last trumps is confusing. It doesn't help to ground me or prepare me and it is a confusing message to preach to those outside, let alone inside the church. But if I just preach the Word as it's written, and give people the references, they will see there is a 'last trump' and a glorious return of the King. Only when listening to teachers who infer other ideas, do we come up with alternative views. Blessings.

[@eleeshachapman15]

@@Rileyed Wholeheartedly agree. Just speak what's written. 🙏

[@RexusOutfitters]

Opinions on the rapture are minor theological quibbles and not worth getting bent out of shape over. Keeping the faith and living as a new creation are what matter.

[@Gracie40]

I feel like many people in the post tribulation camp are so full of hate and discontent against their pre-tribulation brethren that I must judge them by their fruits which appear to be rotten to me. In the parable of the virgins we see that we must keep our lamps full of oil and constantly be on the lookout for our Bridegroom’s return. By telling people that the rapture happens after the tribulation then there is concern is that people will lose hope and put down their lamps and not be ready for his return.

[@radardog88]

Here’s another one for the post tribbers: John 14:1-3: “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many rooms; if that were not so, I would have told you, because I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I AM COMING AGAIN AND WILL TAKE YOU TO MYSELF, SO THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU ALSO WILL BE.” Question: When does this happen? When does the church go to the Father’s house to be with Jesus? Think it through……

[@wjdyr6261]

Immediately after the tribulation of those days and not before

[@radardog88]

@@wjdyr6261 That means the church does not go to be with Jesus in His Father's house until AFTER the 1000 reign of Christ.

[@wjdyr6261]

@@radardog88 No. Where does it say that? Jesus clearly stated that the 1st resurrection and rapture is immediately after the tribulation of those days and not before. The 2d resurrection is after the millennial era

[@radardog88]

@@wjdyr6261 Really? It says the word rapture? Where? It doesn't say rapture - you're reading into the text. But my point is this: If the rapture happens AFTER the tribulation (as you say), then the church cannot go to the place that Jesus prepared for the church until AFTER the 1000 years is over. Why? Because, AFTER the rapture, church will be wherever Jesus is (SO THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YOU ALSO WILL BE). Jesus will establish His throne on earth and the church will reign with Him for 1000 years, on earth. If the church is on earth with Jesus for 1000 year, the church cannot go to the Father's house until the 1000 years is complete. Do you agree?

[@wjdyr6261]

@radardog88 No, I don't agree. The word harpazo is from the Latin Vulgate and translated to rapturo. They simply translated the word to the long form "caught away" The OT and NT dead in Christ are raised, and the living in Christ are raptured up at the 1st resurrection. After the millennial reign, God makes all things new. The New Jerusalem comes down from heaven.

[@willem790527]

“Listen very carefully, I tell you a mystery [a secret truth decreed by God and previously hidden, but now revealed]; we will not all sleep [in death], but we will all be [completely] changed [wondrously transformed], in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at [the sound of] the last trumpet call. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [who believed in Christ] will be raised imperishable, and we will be [completely] changed [wondrously transformed].” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭51‬-‭52‬ ‭AMP‬‬ Why is the Second Coming a mystery , the pre-trip rapture can be a mystery?

[@gerritdutoit4833]

100%!!!

[@larrypotts1575]

Not feeling it in my spirit brother Joel.

[@EndTimeMagi]

Before I take seriously any video concerning scripture, I search that channel’s video library for the word ‘rapture’. This is a great tool given us to avoiding being fooled, for they expose themselves as they spread false doctrine.

[@timnorth8121]

well ime a pretrib guy for a few reasons and ime ok with that but in the end we will find out but are we all covered by the blood lets make sure of that amen

[@badgergarage]

After watching this, tell us the exact reason that you still are. What is your reason?

[@DaltonGrayMusic]

Covered in the blood is great. But what happens when your entire deceived family is starving to death and they have a mark to get you into the new system and get some food? If you don't prepare, you'll end up seeing many completely fall away. Pretrib is Satan's trick

[@scott596]

​@@DaltonGrayMusicremember Jesus Christ Said In the End of Day's I will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh ! And when the Mark of the Beast is Revealed Jesus Christ Sends His Angel's to Share the Everlasting Gospel throughout the Entire World to Every Nation Tribe and Tongue and People's No One will Not have Heard the Everlasting Gospel from the Holy Spirit and the Holy Angels ! And they will Reject the Testimony of the Holy Spirit and Reject the Testimony of the Holy Angels and they will Choose to Worship the Beast and His Image and Take His Mark in their Foreheads or Right Hand or Wrist a Unforgivable Sin, those who take the Mark will Burn Alive Forever in the Presence of the Holy Angels and in the Presence of the Lamb Jesus Christ Forever without Rest Day Nor Night Forever and Ever ! A Simple Choice Everyone Will Make to Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and against the Holy Angels !

[@stevenmoore9114]

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

[@RexusOutfitters]

This could also easily apply to a rapture at the end of the Tribulation but before the wrath of Revelation 15:1 on non-Believers left behind.

[@Timbo_tango]

@@RexusOutfitters Nope. Who is going to be woring in a field and milling at the end of the tribulation?? The earth will be in very poor shape to do anything normal.

[@RexusOutfitters]

@@Timbo_tango That's a good point. I hear ya. However, people still need to eat. Even during WW2, when the world was in chaos, people still needed to work in fields and, yes, people still got married.

[@Timbo_tango]

@@RexusOutfitters Well I just cant see the world being that normal after 6 or s Years of tribulation

[@RexusOutfitters]

@@Timbo_tango Human beings die after 3 or 4 days without water and a month without food, so some kind of life sustaining stuff needs to be available. True?

[@RobinBurgett-yy9np]

When God Judged Jesus on The Cross Jesus Went Through horrible things I can't even understand or comprehend but He Jesus did this For me so I would not go through it myself Judgement so we as Christians would not be judged so going through tribulation means judgment God does not lie Jesus suffered it all for us so like Joel said I am not going to argue about The Lords Word But I am very happy I as a Sister In Christ Jesus and His daughter and I am Righteousness with my spirit so there will be no judgment, for if I would go to hell or Heaven. when I will have judgment it will be good I have done in my time on earth not any punishment what so ever so be comforted if you are a child Of The Most High God Your Father ABBA And His Beloved Son Jesus and The Beautiful Holy Spirit Is seated At The Right Hand Of The Father waiting for this time and it is near The Lord Says LOOK UP YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWS NEAR PRAISE GOD AND THANK CHRIST JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT For the love they have for us The Lords Children

[@kennedybutiko7651]

1 Thessalonians 4:15 When paul says by the word of the Lord... He is clearly saying by the words spoken by Jesus and is refering to Matthew 24....just like Jesus in the same 24 says about abomination of desolation "spoken by proohet Daniel" All are linked

[@samkim7892]

Hey Joel, I have a question regarding Mideast Beast. In chapter 2, you argue that specific people will be judged on the day of the LORD: Edom and Moab among otherse. Yet, in chapter 3, you refer to Daniel 11 to say that not all nations come under the authority of the Antichrist because it says, "but these shall be delivered out of his hand: Edom and Moab and the main part of the Ammonites." So how can it be that the LORD will judge Edom and Moab, but they also do not come under the authority of the Antichrist?

[@scott596]

Simple My Friend, Joe is Keeping His Promise to Bring Your Replacement's and New Master's into the USA through Hijrah Imagination Refugees and Mass Migration and Breeding Children to take over from Within like the Squad and all the Protesters Coming to a Neighborhood near you for the End of Day's Army of Darkness Carrying Black Flag's with one word Punishment from Every Nation to Invade Israel to Stop the Sacrifices and take over the Temple and to Ki the Two Prophet's of God and Jesus Christ. Easy Pessy Pumpkin Squeezy

[@scott596]

The Antichrist False Prophet Isa Jesus the Man of Sin the Son of Perdition

[@scott596]

Governments are Creating The New World Order Is Lam Ic State Cali ph ate through Hijrah Imagination Refugees and Mass Migration and Breeding Children to take over from Within like all the Protesters

[@mncubemngomezulu7528]

But if Paul was referring to Matthew's Gospel, Matthew was not yet written during Thessalonians letters.

[@sergiolima444]

Friend, get your scriptures right. Matthew was written by himself while Christ was alive. Thessalonians was written by Paul some decades after his death.

[@mncubemngomezulu7528]

@@sergiolima444 The first book to be written in the New Testament is 1 Thessalonians... Do you research... don't assume

[@gerritdutoit4833]

​@@sergiolima444You missed it by far...

[@Beencouraged777]

Proof the Rapture and II Coming are two separate events. Second Thessalonians 2:2 proves the Second Coming and the Rapture are two separate events. In II Thessalonians 2:1-3 Paul is comforting a frazzled church who was worried the “Day of Christ” was at hand.” This could not be the Rapture because that event is a joyous one, and would not create the fear and anxiety they were experiencing and which Paul was addressing. The Day of Christ in this verse, is none other than the II Coming of Christ to take vengeance on the wicked. The Thessalonians thought they had missed the Rapture and was facing the Tribulation / Wrath of God/ II Coming, all of which occurs in the 70th week of Daniel.

[@raymondschlichting6778]

I have really enjoyed two of your debates on the rapture.

[@lesadefrain]

Pretrib still but we are all Christians!

[@Cpeet5]

Our identity is not in our flesh. If someone loses their arm or leg have they lost their identity? “Fear not” is written 365 times in the Word. Further more we are not to fear what can happen to our bodies but rather to fear God and God alone. “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Therefore, there would be no greater honor than to partner with Christ in the tribulation. Furthermore, there would be no greater honor than to be “beheaded in the name of Jesus” on account of my unwavering faith in Jesus as the Son of God. I do not view this as wrath or punishment, rather this would be the most incredible honor to follow in the footsteps of the hero’s of the faith.

[@scottswoodcraft1026]

Love your teaching, agree with most of what you teach. Would be nice to get a few more teachings not dealing with disproving pre-trib. I think you covered it fairly well by now, again. My goodness, it seems like it will be easier to endure the tribulation than the comment section in these posts, lol

[@gail63907]

So what about the 7 years in which is equivalent to 7 days for the wedding feast?

[@scott596]

The Wedding Super of the Lamb Jesus Christ is Revelation 19: the Feast is for the Bird's of the Air to Eat the Flesh of Captains and Chief's ! That's after the Slaughter of the Enemies of God and Jesus Christ By himself ! Here on Earth.

[@gerritdutoit4833]

​@@scott596This is sooo far off...sorry.

[@gerritdutoit4833]

Exactly...not all saved are "bride"... When else will Yeshua's marriage supper take place? Go study the Jewish weddings of that time and understand the "bride" being carried away!

[@scott596]

@@gerritdutoit4833 The Wedding Super of the Lamb In the Plains of Armageddon and even the Bird's get to Eat the Flesh of Captains and Chief's and the Army of Darkness as Revelation 19: says Very Clearly when and where it Happens !

[@scott596]

@@gerritdutoit4833 guess you should actually Read Revelation 19: and see for yourself

[@fonhollohan2908]

I've understood both of these comparisons to mean the exact same thing! also I've always believed that verse 29 gives us the exact time line of when this is going to take place which is immediately after the tribulation of those days. I've been a believer since i've been 22 years old now i'm 62 so I've believe the Post tribe stance for 40 years now. And I've looked at the pre trib stance and I cannot see it being taught throughout scripture there is no secret rapture. That is a lie straight from their own imaginations. They have to insert that into the text to come to that understanding in my view. Therefore Joel as far as i'm concerned I honestly believe your interpretation is spot on. /btw thanks for the short teaching that should help others see what the word of God clearly teaches. God bless Hope your wife and family is doing well God bless. I've been praying for her back God bless

[@TrueBlueYou]

What man would allow his bride to be beaten up before the wedding?

[@bobmerritt7442]

Your logic is refreshing, brother. I offer some thoughts that most of the pretrib proponents overlook: 1) I note that the preponderance of believers seem to move from some early rapture doctrine to some other position over time -- not the converse. That is not compelling in itself, but suggests more illumination gained as time passes. 2) Revelation 12 is a pivotal passage, as it is the only time the harpazo Greek form is used in that book, and is the "caught up" translation in First Thess 4:17. So if the manchild was Jesus, His ascent is not described as being caught up. Also, if the great signs in that chapter are all historical and not applicable to the end times, as many assert, then why was John told that everything from Revelation 4 to the End must take place "after this?" i.e., 90 AD approximately.They wrest the scriptures to make that fit, and not by logic. 3) When John is called to "come up" in Chapter 4, that is somehow a synecdoche such that the whole Church in the end times will likewise be caught up. That is an inductive leap, and since the Church is not mentioned per se thereafter, it must be gone (Argument by Silence). I have more refutations of the common "proofs" of the early rapture, if you want them. You likely have considered most already. So my position on the Rapture is that yes, there will be a harpazo. The only questions are: + When does it occur, and + Who are caught up?

[@scott596]

Two Good Questions ❓

[@scott596]

Church Elect Saint's Believer's All the same thing No Difference between Them !

[@RexusOutfitters]

Seems to me there are also rough parallels in Revelation: 14:14 = Son of Man on white cloud. 14:15 = Angel calling in loud voice. 14:16 = Harvesting, "gathering," the earth, both the “righteous who will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father” and, 14:19, those “who do evil.” (Matt13:37-43). The flaw with this understanding is that in Rev14:1 the Lamb is already standing on Mt. Zion with the 144,000. Anyway, that’s as far as I’ve got in my study; I’d be interested to see if Joel reconciles Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4 with Revelation.

[@ednaboudreaux8333]

Where could I locate a Peregrine laptop/notebook computer?

[@davidwhunt]

Hi Joel. Re a comment you made some time ago about being willing to debate a Pre-tribber if one is willing... Have you approached Andy Woods, John Barnett, or Mark Hitchcock to request a debate? I for one would be interested to hear such a discussion.

[@JoelRichardson]

I've asked Hitchcock to debate several times but he always says he is too busy. Andy Woods normally responds to my e-mails but has not responded to e-mails inviting him to a debate.

[@davidwhunt]

@@JoelRichardson Thanks for your reply. I've had an interest in end time prophecy since in my early 20s. I was raised in a Brethren church where I was familiar with Scofield Reference Bibles & Hal Lindsey. Then I 'rebelled' & started thinking for myself. I read a book George Ladd, & studied the Word, & moved from a pre-trib position, believing mid or post-trib were more valid. I later read Rosenthal's book on the Prewrath rapture & he made some good points. Then in my mid-thirties, after preparing a sermon on Revelation 6, I moved back to the pre-trib position as I couldn't see the church going thru the 6 seals - not because we are immune from tribulation (as we are not), but because Rev 6 appeared more like the wrath of God than run-of-the-mill tribulation. Nowadays I have an open mind. My firm belief is that the critical issue is, 'Is the Lord's return in 1 Thess 4 the same event as his return in Matthew 24?' I believe that if it is, then the whole pre-trib system collapses. Or if it can be shown that Paul was giving new revelation in 1 Thess 4, and that this rapture is a different event from Jesus' return in Matt 24, then the pre-trib case is strong. I am not currently decided either way, as there are strengths & weaknesses of every view. Thanks for your ministry. I've watched some of your videos & interviews with interest. Has Thomas Ice ever accepted an invitation for a debate?

[@JoelRichardson]

@@davidwhunt I debated Ice about the Antichrist.

[@davidwhunt]

@@JoelRichardson Arnold Fruchtenbaum?

[@JoelRichardson]

@@davidwhunt I would love to debate Fruchtenbaum.

[@juliettekauhane7030]

So encouraging!

[@johnleatherwood2591]

Rapture is pre-trib, A reward for the faithful, The most powerful incentive for those left behind. There are no verses we can't handle, The elect being gathered are those who came to faith during the tribulation. You qouted the second coming, not the rapture.

[@dewalphneal2811]

The scriptures Joel refers to are totally unrelated. Paul declares behold, I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep….disclosing the Rapture. Who gets Raptured? Faithful believers in Christ. But unbelieving Israel and faithless Christians must pass through the fire. Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. /// You see those in Christ are already saved. Say it “I am saved already.” Good! But if you’re not saved you need to get saved. We are saved by his blood Joel, we acquire it by His tribulation for his glory not ours. We are his body, will God allow this? I think not. This debate will soon be over, 🙏🏾

[@scott596]

Who gets Raised at the First Resurrection of the Dead in Christ ? Ezekiel 37 Dry Bones are Raised from the Dead and the Two Prophet's of God and Jesus Christ in Revelation 11:1-19. Then We which Remain Alive ! Revelation 14: the Harvest. Revelation 20:1-6 the First Resurrection of the Dead in Christ ! Revelation is Concurrent instead of Consecutive, think about it My Friend ! Note How many times is the Rapture illuded to, and how many times is the False Prophet and the Beast from the Bottomless Pit Apollyon Abandon Cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone Forever and Satan Allah is Cast Alive into the Pit for a Thousand Year's ? They are mentioned several times. The Vision is retold in 3 different ways adding further Light and understanding to it !

[@scott596]

All the Prophet's and Believer's and All the Apostle's and Believer's ! Remember those in the Old Testament were Saved By Faith just as We are !

[@dewalphneal2811]

@@scott596 this prophecy is metaphorical in regards to Nation of Israel which indeed came to pass in the year 1948 beginning the last generation which was to be brought back to the land of Israel. This is the generation Jesus said would not pass away till all these things be fulfilled, which include the seven year tribulation which is now at our door. This generation.

[@dewalphneal2811]

@@scott596 the dead in Christ rise first.

[@dewalphneal2811]

@@scott596 umm not really: Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

[@kindnessheals]

Even if Paul was speaking directly from revelation by the Lord, it is clearly the same event Jesus was talking about. I am post trib but can believe it was possible that Paul received this by direct revelation. If these events are fore-ordained by God, He can surely impart this knowledge directly to Paul if He wishes.

[@jaredvikse2096]

Love it brother

[@44spangle]

The seven biblical raptures: ENOCH Gen 5:21, Heb 11:5 ELIJAH 2Kings 2:11 JESUS ASCENSION Acts 1:9-11 BODY OF CHRIST(church age) 1 Thess 4:13-18 TWO WITNESSES MIDDLE OF TRIBULATION Rev 11:3-12 TRIBULATIONAL BELIEVERS Rev 14:14-16 THE DAMNED TO ARMAGEDDON Rev 14:17-20

[@ncmtns57]

Many Jews AND christians have suffered great persecution for many years. For which group was Jesus speaking to in the four gospels?

[@getkraken8064]

Before His angels are sent forth to gather His elect from the four winds, what has already happened to whomever "the tares" are in the parable of the wheat and tares? Jesus Himself said it meant the last days and that the tares are gathered by His angels FIRST and bound up for burning. What does that look like compared to one's version of the rapture?

[@user-rj3ju2hs3m]

Bro. Joel Richardson, from the day that the antichrist will desecrate the temple, one can just count the number of days (3.5 years + 30 days), and know exactly when Christ will return. Is is not? So we can know when Christ will return but not when the antichrist will desecrate the temple. Right?

[@drwho534]

Questions: What about 1 Thess 4:17: where we are 'caught up' (in greek 'Harpazo' to snatch, or take away) to meet Him 'IN THE AIR'..... vs..... the implications of the future prophecy of Zechariah 14: 4-5 when His feet shall STAND on the Mt. of Olives? (at the 2nd coming) and 1 Thess. 3:13 'at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His SAINTS' (when all resurrected believers and the angels RETURN with Him at the 2nd coming). The rapture is a resurrection, angels were not needed to resurrect Jesus nor the dead in Christ (therefore the 'rapture' is not in Matthew 24: 29-31). Matt.13:41-42 at the 2nd coming angels will gather the wicked unbelievers for judgement. Those saved after the rapture will still be in their natural bodies to populate during the millennial reign. Personally whether pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib.... I believe in 'pan-trib' for it will all pan out in the end.

[@brbrbuckeye]

The rapture is literally just meeting him in the clouds and coming back to ewrth together. He will start his 1000 year reign then. We are not meant to go anywhere, the meek shall inherit the earth. We will live on thd new, perfect earth together.

[@Ady-gj4vh]

Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:51 refers to the Rapture as a mystery and he describes how the dead in Christ will be raised incorruptible and the mortal puts on immortality in a twinkling of an eye something Jesus never talked about. In verse 58 he encourages the believers to be steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord knowing that our labor is not in vain and that's the time of dispensation we are right now or the church age. If Paul's revelation of this mystery is not proof that the church won't be around during the tribulation then why did Jesus make a promise in Revelation 3:10 to keep the faithful church of Philadelphia out of tribulation? Was it just for people to be roaming around the earth in their resurrected bodies without meeting Him in the air as Paul predicted in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17? In Genesis 18:23 before the Lord destroyed the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah Abraham questioned God if He was going to destroy the righteous and the wicked together and the Lord was clear if there were 50 righteous people He was going to spare the Cities for their sake. There is nowhere in the bible where the Lord poured out His wrath on the wicked and the righteous combined. He always removes the righteous from the way. Ecclesiastes 1:9 "What has been will be again what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Jesus is going to repeat exactly what He did during the flood of Noah and to the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and that is to save His people before disaster strikes " Isaiah 26:20 "Come, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until His wrath has passed by. For behold, the LORD is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain. Folks compare Isaiah and John 14:1-3. Jesus our blessed Hope promised to come back and receive us to Himself because in His Father's house are many mansions. The tribulation is a time of total chaos and darkness and if those days were not shortened JESUS said no flesh would survive. It's a time Satan will possess the antichrist to terrorize the wicked a period in human history that was not from the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be. During the tribulation, everything that must be shaken will be shaken. Revelation 6:16 people will be running for their lives crying and begging the rocks and mountains to crush them to death so they can hide from the wrath of the Lamb because nobody will be able to stand the great day of His wrath. It's a time of great distress it's gonna be bloody and gory people will be beheaded and no one will buy or sell unless you take the mark, name, or the number of his name (the antichrist). Jesus is encouraging everyone everywhere to watch therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”.(Luke 21:36)

[@childoftheking2214]

I lean pre-trib, but my trust is not in my end times theology, my trust is in the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I know who Jesus is and I know what he did for me. My theology has been developing over the years and I am sure one day I will know what I got right and what I got wrong. Any pre-trib Christian would just continue to serve God even if we were to discover we got the timing of the rapture wrong. Those who would fall away would not be a true born again Christian to start with. God will be with those who put their trust in Jesus to the very end no matter what comes in the future.

[@willem790527]

“For the mystery of lawlessness [rebellion against divine authority and the coming reign of lawlessness] is already at work; [but it is restrained] only until he who now restrains it is taken out of the way.” ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭7‬ ‭AMP‬‬ Is the body of Christ the restrainer that needs to be raptured to be taken out of the way?

[@CraigHamilton-sx1jz]

In Matthew 24- 21 to 31 it says The tribulation of THOSE days.... this could mean any event. It dont mean the 7 year tribulation

[@ivanS128]

@joelrichardson have you ever considered that pre mid and post rapture are all true?

[@goodnewsfromgod729]

God Bless You Joel, and I really enjoy your teachings. As a believer in a Pre Tribulation Rapture I have asked myself the same questions about that view years ago, and as I looked at the entirety of scripture it seems clear to me “A Pretribber” who was considering the Pre-Wrath Position because that’s when “Great Tribulation Begins” that the events that Jesus Christ is talking about take place during the 7 year tribulation and end with the return of Jesus Christ and Church Age Believers. We cannot forget the words of Jesus Christ in Revelation 3:10: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. One thing I can say though is if no one knows the day or the hour if the Church was still here, couldn’t we just add 7 Jewish Years from the signing of the Daniel 9:27 “Covenant with many” or add 3 1/2 Years from the time the Mahdi and Isa kill the 2 witnesses and then know the Day of Jesus Christ’s return??? Just some thoughts I wanted to share. By the way, I love your teachings on the Islamic Antichrist and the location of The “Real” Mount Sinai as well brother. Keep up the great work and my name is Ron by the way. I’m just logged into our Ministry channel that shares the Gospel in Kenya, Pakistan, and india right now. Keep up the great work brother 👍

[@BIG_r.]

There are 7 churches that are mentioned in Revelation and one of them is the church in Philadelphia rev. 3:7-13. This verse speaks of their time in the first century AD the churches were suffering persecution from the Roman empire during their time 2,000 years ago. Jesus is very specific that these words are for the Church in Philadelphia located in Turkey (not located somewhere in Chicago or Detroit) in which the church is no longer an active that people used to gather and pray.. first of, no historical records that any of them were harpazo. 2nd --> if you believe that it's a future event then you must also believe what is saith to the chuch of Smyrna rev. 2:8-10 Revelation 2:10 kjv Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life

[@photoanalyst]

(ENOCH 1:1) The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.

[@joannoikonomia1306]

One of the confusions with this teaching is when, if the church is on earth, do we change from "not doing the law" to going back to doing the law under the kingdom as taught by Jesus. He was born under, he taught the law, he lived it perfectly and died under the law. We presently have atonement Ro 5:10-11; Israel is waiting for their atonement. Its a different doctrine and it takes some time to study this and see the difference; but most won't.

[@hisgroup3870]

When does the "fulness of the Gentiles" end so that the blindness of Isra'EL is removed?

[@nathanseymour4090]

Does Joel think we going through the tribulation?

[@jswhosoever4533]

I found out about your channel because I stumbled upon a pre-trib channel teaching against you. They are seething yet they call us hateful.

[@RexusOutfitters]

Views on the rapture are merely a hobby interest compared to the far more important point of being a new creation and living for Jesus no matter how it shakes out. Nothing to get bent out of shape over.