Leatherman Wave + vs Leatherman FREE P4

[@txtoolcrib]

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[@chrisnelson1935]

Worst leatherman ever, beats the OHT by a mile at that. Tools of the wingman/sidekick, with the price of a charge AL, with a 420hc instead of 154cm blade. If you use TUF GLYDE you can make your wave/charge open and close one handed

[@MrMramirez23]

Tool Crib I have a couple questions for you. Do you know if the wingman package opener will work in the wave. I recently purchased one and am looking to customize it

[@txtoolcrib]

It doesn’t work very well because the catch mechanisms are different, so it will not lock in place properly.

[@MrMramirez23]

@@txtoolcrib thank you for the feed back. I did stumble upon you surge videos explaining this

[@Adelaide-audits.]

Get yaself a micro Leatherman (i think that's it? ) it has a tweezer tool fold out. For ya keyring...., it's got ya perfect nail cleaner 👌 , best ever!!!

[@1lupus]

I think when they had the design meetings, Marketing spoke a lot louder than Engineering. The Wave has a much better toolset.

[@txtoolcrib]

I think you’re right on all points.

[@Iliek]

There's a video on Blade HQ (cringe HQ) where they interview the product manager Jeremy and watching that he definitely came off more of a salesman to me than anything.

[@valentinflores7117]

The only thing i could add to the wave its an awl, the rest is just perfect

[@Adelaide-audits.]

Spot on!

[@kod4062]

The waves more powerful but I find the free more useful tbh.. There's enough times where it's a one hand only situation and the wave would of been useless for me so I get why tht guy said it was better at everything. The wave is og tho and idk why they made the saw shorter

[@blueknight028]

This is hands-down the best review and comparison since the release of the Free Series. Job well done and thank you!

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you, I appreciate that very much.

[@noway05guinness61]

I'll concur. Easy to listen to. Very fair. Put the information out there clear and concise with real world testing. Great video.

[@uiopuiop3472]

where is it free

[@NatureBetsLast]

Really lol he was using the can opener the wrong way on the p4 in the video.😂😂😂

[@codpieceofjustice4595]

Finally got to fiddle with a P4 yesterday. The magnetised open /close was cool. If I could get the Wave tools with the P4 gimmick I'd be happy.

[@bilakos1987]

From everything I have seen regarding the Free tools, it seems that they rushed to release them. They focused too much on how nice they look and how fun they are to fidget with, but they forgot to test them as tools, and see how the design translates to function. They would have caught a lot of issues users are coming across. The Free P4 is nowhere near the Wave. One-handed access to everything is nice, but it means nothing when the vast majority of tools are so inferior to the Wave's. Sure, we fidget with our multi-tools, but that should not be the main selling point.

[@txtoolcrib]

I agree. I think this new line of tools sacrifices ease and speed of use for performance and functionality. Fundamentally, I believe it is wrong approach.

[@dc76384]

As a Millwright I would rather use the Wave. Not that a multi tool is going to be used in the type of work that I do, however when I'm not at work, and want something that could potentially get me out of a jam. The Wave is a better bet. In my opinion. The free p4 is a good looking MT, but I think it's more suited to those who dont use hand tools very often in daily life. It would be good to keep in a road side emergency kit, or a household tool set.

[@baszt]

Still, we don't have to forget that is a multitool. You have to remove or to insert a screw? you have a Philips drive and a flat one. You want to cut some wood? you have a saw. You want to open a can or a bottle? you have the tools there and so on. Don't know what you expect from a multitool. Of course you can't go to build a house with it but it does the light job for what it's actually meant. So much fuss about the wave's bit driver and comparisons...

[@Average_D]

This is certainly an in depth review and although I agree that the wave + has advantages over the free p4...I think the free has equal advantages over the wave. I’ve owned a wave plus that unfortunately fell out of my pack on a 3 day hike in the Catskills. Chalked it up as a sad loss. When I got home I figured I’d give the free p4 a shot. I couldn’t be happier with it! The only thing I miss is the etched in ruler on the liners. I don’t miss the bit driver because I always lost the bits anyway and I definitely don’t miss needing to open the handles for the tool access. The free was designed to be and easier more practical multi tool over the wave. I haven’t had and issues regarding the pliers either. The hinge is much looser than the locking tabs that keep the handles from folding over. Mine is comparable to a butterfly knife in function. I have used it just about every day for work for over 6 months and have been happy. I also like the newly designed locking mechanism for the tools over the wave along with the magnetic pull to seat them down. There I days I miss my wave but I certainly don’t regret my purchase of the free. At the end of the day it’s a different tool that suits different needs.

[@tomgarcia9200]

Thanks for illuminating the differences in functionality so well.On the surface the p4 would appear to be the next big thing, but upon further inspection I think I'll stick with my wave and rebar for my purposes. Excellent video!

[@txtoolcrib]

You’re quite welcome sir.

[@abelcross2445]

your a smart fella careful though you pick up a surge and the wave feels like a toy

[@benningsniper9516]

@@abelcross2445 absolutely

[@Butchthebugman]

I think this might be the best review I've seen on KZbin. Subject matter aside, the format, clarity, thoroughness, and skill of presentation are top notch. Really made it a pleasure to watch. Well done! Side note: I agree with your conclusion on the tools and the other guy's analogy. The Free might be a little more style and comfort, but the Wave is WAY more truck.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you very much for that statement. I have had quite a few people that have really liked this format. I believe I will adopt it going forward on future reviews as well. Thank you for watching.

[@uncle_ebenezer]

Hi Ben, I’ve viewed many of your videos but have yet to comment. Just wanted to say that the quality of your content is literally second-to-none for a couple reasons: 1. You’re clearly an expert in your profession. The commentary you provide is not just entertaining and informative, but typically educational. I feel I’ve learned a great deal just from viewing your videos. 2. You disseminate your knowledge and expertise in a coherent manner. As a scientist, I fortunately get to interact with experts daily, however, I wish half of them could be as clear in their explanations as you are. Just wanted to acknowledge your fantastic work, looking forward to all future videos on various topics.

[@txtoolcrib]

Matthew, I believe that is the highest compliment I’ve ever received in my entire life. Thank you very much. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos.

[@SilouanWright]

@@txtoolcrib Allow me then to give you the highest insult you've ever received in your life, just to balance it out: ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... just kidding :)

[@Noble_Isaac]

I own both and here's my own breakdown on why the Wave+ is superior: - The Wave has a slightly longer straight blade, serrated blade and saw, with the option of swapping the better S30V blade on the Charge tti - It's more compact in length - Has a functional 8" ruler - Has replaceable bit - Serrated blade is placed on a better side than the one on the P4 - Way better file with diamond coat - Is more moddable - Pocket clip can be placed on either side (you have to remove the hidden lanyard ring) - Option for storing the tweezers (from the Style PS) - Eyeglass screwdriver if you like that feature The only cons I've found on the Wave so far are not one hand operations and inferior scissors. Other than that I personally like it better than the P4.

[@HBSuccess]

I’ve been trying to out-Wave my Wave+ for years...can’t. I own a Surge, an old Wave, a Skeletool, a cpl Gerber’s, an old Schrade (sp?), and a Vic Swisstool. The Wave+ is not perfect but it’s damned good and still the winner IMO.

[@rafterh2181]

As a serious MT user and after a couple weeks of use I find In fact you do want to play with it, in fact it is a more pleasant experience, the scissors are better, the file is much more capable than I thought. The screw drivers and package opener are great. The wave is slightly more capable but not really a huge difference for me. The P4 is so pleasant to use and carry it's almost fun.

[@05generic]

The Free can opener is like a modern Vx version and it is designed to operate in a forward (counter clockwise) direction. You were trying to use in the clockwise direction like the old Leatherman/Wenger style is used. The Vx style opener works well once you get the hang of it and get a rhythm going.

[@Adelaide-audits.]

Right handed winz again! Lol

[@KinuGrove]

clearly Leatherman needs to have you test all there prototypes in the future :)

[@MichaelSeneschal]

One thing I noticed with my Wave Plus was the cap lifter wasn't good at all. But I realized that I was using the cap lifter with the handles closed (same as you were in the video). If you use the cap lifter with the handles open, then it works great. When you close the handles they get in the way of most bottles... opening the handles just gets them out of the way. :) Great video.

[@justmatt2020]

Thank you for taking the time to shoot, record, and edit this content. It saved me time and potential buyer's remorse.

[@Motorcyclewindtherapy]

A year later and I'm still super glad I stuck with my Wave. I think the magnet idea is fun, bit not durable. Time will tell, but I know my Wave has years of experience and I've had zero issues. Heck, my PSTii is just about 25 years old and has had zero issues! (It rides in my tacklebox now since I got my Wage years ago.) It's a few ounces heavier than my Skeletool (5 oz. compared to 8.5 oz) in my pocket....so the Wave is in a belt sheath with a bit kit and extender. I tend to throw the Wave/Sheath combo in my bag, briefcase, or glovebox or saddlebag. Not a wave +, just a plain old Wave...skill going strong. I think the Free series will fade.

[@donaldkennelly8765]

So I've just purchased the Rev last week and I purchased it for all the reasons that you find fault in. I have a few Super Tools that I've owned for decades and the idea of a much smaller tool at a $25 price point was very appealing. I like the clip and find that it works best in my left pocket because the slim side flows with my pocket and doesn't create a bulge. I've never liked the spring loaded pliers and find they are more burdensome than useful especially when I lay them down. I want them to stay there, not to spring open. The last item is the package opener; I just used it all afternoon for cutting weather sealing tape. You hook it on the tape and being as sharp as it is, cuts it clean and smooth. Without closing it I can clip it on my pocket and not have a very sharp, pointed knife out. It also works well with twine and hay bales. I have used it on the pesky plastic container packages and it works well as designed. I do find the clip a touch loose but not a bother and I do have to question the blade hole. All in all I find that it is a fine tool and exactly what I was looking for. I've never found a good reason to have the saw and I don't want scissors on my multi-tool. Nice review, I just find it a bit off the mark.

[@txtoolcrib]

If you can find them cheap, then they are worth it. Most of the places I have seen the Rev the prices have just been too high to consider it a viable option.

[@mihailchehlarov2720]

I work as a set dresser/props in a movie industry. I've been using Leatherman and Victorinox for more than 15 years and I always prefer Leatherman. I had and use mostly Wave and Surge. You will appreciate Free P4 only when you hanging up on a step letter and losing your drive bit or need some tool but you have only one hand available. Free series came right on time for me. Surge was perfect for me but too heavy and bulky, wave was in the sweet spot with all the compromises, P4 is exactly what I need. One last thing, if you want to get the job done in a proper way- get the dedicated tool. Leatherman and all the rest of the multitools are made for emergencies and light work which doesn't require special skills or tools.

[@craigdeming8391]

Looks like my Wave is good for another generation! Glad to hear that, I thought i was missing out! Now I plan to have them bury me with it strapped to my waist! It appears to me that it's not that the P4 is a bad tool but that the Wave is a better tool & hard act to follow. Perhaps they decided to cut things down a bit to get a more modular appearance and single handed access for the sub tool set of the P4. I've loved my Wave forever. I bought the first generation that didn't have the locking tool set option. I gave that to my son years ago and he still has it among his stuff. It's in great condition and the tool was bought in 1998!

[@txtoolcrib]

I think the Wave is still one of the best multi tools made.

[@FR0MUNDA]

So I finally pulled the trigger and bought a Free P4. After using the T4 for years, I got its big brother and looking at the tools you can notice a slight difference between what was on the T4 when it was released and the P4 now. The awl tip became finer and the scissors river tighter, but the can opener is dull, which likely was the case in this video. Overall I don’t know why Leatherman compared the Free P4 to the Wave + when I think the wave, charge, and surge fit more of a tradesman purposes whereas the Free series fits the casual user.

[@andriusduksta5744]

This is awesome and fair comparison, rare to find such no-nonsense and honest videos regarding these things.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

[@radikewl70]

Great video, I was thinking about buying my first "Leatherman" ( I own a couple of Gerber multi-tools due to price but I think it's time to upgrade) and the wave + was the one I've been looking at. I completely agree with your comparison between these two. Thanks for posting.

[@txtoolcrib]

You’re welcome, thanks for watching.

[@Ersk88]

Even though this review is 3 years old..it’s extremely helpful..I’ve had a gen 2 wave for over 6 years..I have a couple other leatherman but keep coming back to the wave..thought about trying a p series..but after this review I’m sticking with the wave 👌🏼💯

[@mattgrommesh4125]

I've been looking for a multitool because its a pain to carry my tools everywhere. This told me everything I needed to know. I figured the saws blades would be a side thought but then I saw how easily you cut through the wood. Thanks for taking the time to do this!

[@txtoolcrib]

You’re very welcome. I started carrying a multi tool over 20 years ago. Hardly a day goes by that I don’t have one with me.

[@roadtoad1216]

Wave was a revolution when it first arrived on the market , and still is best all round choice imo . I just gave one to an old mate for a gift , he seemed pretty happy with it .

[@walterrademeyer9507]

Ben I'd just like to thank you for the time and effort you put into these reviews. Great work keep it up.

[@chrisc.4517]

Same here

[@ryansimpson3074]

I bought the Wave in 2020. Since then, I have beat the living daylights out of it. Still works like a charm. I never go anywhere without it and don't feel complete apart from it. Save the holster or sheath or whatever it's called, the pocket clip works fine for me and keeps my money clip in my pocket from shifting around. Leatherman makes quality products that pretty much last a lifetime. The Waves hidden feature in the form of a lanyard keeps my spare keys out of my pocket thus freeing up space and giving me piece of mind.

[@livefree1030]

I love my Free P4. For my line of work it's one-,handed easy to access tooling has worked out great for me. But I don't have Wave+ to compare it too. I own 5 other mult-tools and the Free P4 is my new EDC.

[@txtoolcrib]

There is no doubt that the one-handed accessibility is a huge selling point for some. I just wished they hadn’t sacrificed the level of tool quality we have come to expect from Leatherman’s higher end models.

[@azzajohno6228]

Absolutely brilliant break down on both knives features. Just purchased my first Leatherman, it's a WAVE+ and after watching your video, I have learned a lot about it. Will still utilize the Awl on the Victorinox Swiss Tool but cannot wait to get stuck in using the WAVE+ Thanks mate for a top notch video 👍

[@txtoolcrib]

Glad to help!

[@rosswingo8714]

Considering both are 140, I would take my Charge+ over the P4 any day of the week. Form over function in some cases. For me the major selling points are the bit driver, and that sweet 154CM blade steel. I have a habit of flipping it out balisong style lately glad to see that at the end of the video lmao

[@txtoolcrib]

I love the Charge +, I’m hopeful for the day that Leatherman makes an upgraded Surge to match. Bit driver is a big advantage for me as well. Blade steel also. I also like the overall feel of the Charge +. I thought it would be fun to throw that in at the end.

[@jeffreystern5886]

At $140... why not just get the Surge and be done with it?

[@andyhsong]

I agree! I think I’ll stick with my old charge tti and victorinox swisstool. Glad I found this video

[@thomassmith8314]

I've been watching gear reviews for years and this is, by far, the most comprehensive, thorough and informative review/comparison I've ever seen. I've been painstakingly researching leatherman MTs for the past couple days and I narrowed it down to the Wave+ and P4, which led me to this video. After watching this review, I'm confident in my final decision. Thank you!

[@txtoolcrib]

Well thank you, I appreciate that very much. Which one did you decide on?

[@thomassmith8314]

@@txtoolcrib ...The Wave+, of course. And I also ordered the accessory package. This will be my first real multi-tool...and hopefully, my last. Or at least, for a while :-)

[@txtoolcrib]

An excellent choice!

[@HBSuccess]

@..Thomas Smith 10 months later I’m predicting by now you own at least 5 and have kept buying at least a couple of them a secret from your better half. Am I close 😂?

[@1stfloorguy59]

I work in dirt doing gas main. I use my charge Tti a lot more than most and it’s abused. There is a lot of modified around me I can tell you the magnets in the free series pick up every single piece of small metal dust which sucks. It’s hard enough cleaning the tool up without the magnets holding metal dust. My charge stays on my belt and has rust spots from working in the rain. My p4 rusted faster and more working in the rain. Most users would cry if they saw how dirty and abused my tool is....

[@txtoolcrib]

I anticipated that the P series was not going to work at all for us blue collar guys. I don’t think people have a real understanding of just how much ferrous dust we will encounter on a daily basis. It was a bad idea from the start.

[@DesmondSG]

8:01 Nice excuse to have 2 cold ones. Great vid!

[@Hollywoodsuxs]

I have no finger nails so I can't use a regular mutitool. Sooooo! Happy they came out with the free. I use it every day all day at work and minus the finger smashing its awsome!

[@titanite77]

Totally agree with your assessment. The bit interchangeability is a show stopper for me on giving up my wave. I'd like the better scissors and get rid of the eye glass screw driver and replace with an "awl" and the wave would be the perfect tool.

[@txtoolcrib]

Couldn't agree more.

[@BizStyle87]

Good review! Even the design of the Wave (in my eyes) is more streamline and modern - the Leatherman Free is in my eyes a lil' bit "standard". The price isn't accurate for this one..

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you. I think the Wave is far better overall than the new FREE series.

[@richardalexander5758]

The diamond file alone has me firmly in the Wave camp.

[@txtoolcrib]

I'm a bid diamond file fan as well.

[@hellsing56666]

Yeah diamond file are soo good.

[@richardalexander5758]

@@hellsing56666 Yep, I've used them on hardened steel a regular file won't touch.

[@cherylkite1869]

Bought my hubby the wave + he loves it for fishing

[@txtoolcrib]

A great tool and a great gift. I bet he is really enjoying it.

[@rsafree1139]

One thing you didn’t touch on is the pocket clips. The wave is the clear winner in my book as it offers deep ride and a black coated option. I much prefer a low profile, less noticeable carry for office and formal occasions, and the P4 doesn’t offer that. Granted you could paint the P4 clip but the top of the tool would still stick out, plus paint doesn’t hold up long.

[@TaigaXZ]

I know this review was done a couple years ago but I thought I'd put my 2 cents in. I have both the Free P4 and the Wave (albeit not the Plus). I do agree with you that the Free P4 does have an issue with the handles popping loose when opening after applying load on the pliers. However I've had mine for a couple years now and that issue does go away when the pliers get used and worn in, but I definitely agree that it is annoying for the first few months of use. Although I do like the Free P4 I always find myself gravitating to the Charge TTi I purchased back in high school. Whether its from sentimental value or because I just prefer it more I can't tell hahaha. I do really wish it had an Awl though, I've been thinking of swapping the flat head driver on my charge to the awl from my rebar but I don't want to start Frankensteining tools together. Anyhow, great video as always, hope you are doing well.

[@murman50]

Well done...this is one of the best side by side comparisons that is on KZbin. Very honest on straight forward and no BS.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you sir, I appreciate that.

[@Pharto_Stinkus]

I bought into the hype, bought a Free a few days after it came out, carried it daily (as I used to do with my Wave) for about 15 days, then sold it. Several of the tools bent on me with hard use, and I found I just couldn't live without my bit driver function, plus I got tired of bruising the back of my thumb/hand flipping the damn thing open. I had the EXACT same issue with the pliers in hard use, in fact, that was probably the deciding factor in whether or not to sell the tool, or keep it. I DO agree on the serrated blade on the Free being an improvement, I also really liked the chisel tip. The Free is not an IMPROVEMENT on the Wave, it's just DIFFERENT, and it absolutely isn't "better in every way"... I just cant see the extra cost, I don't think it's there. As a side note, I can open my Wave one-handed, it broke in very nicely after a couple years use, and the claw on the wave works well as a make-shift awl.

[@DHEAD_EYE]

nice

[@bradstrong3338]

Thanks for the video, you just confirmed what I was thinking anyway. Had to return a FREE product because the blade wouldn't stay locked.

[@FiddlersGreen667]

Marketing will tell me what is great about any given product, what I want to know is what is wrong with it and how much it matters. For that emphasis in your review sir, I salute you.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you for that. I try to look at everything as objectively as I can. I am like you, I want to know where the faults lie or the areas of concern before I make a purchase.

[@BlueGearReviews]

Function over Flash! ...completely agree. Keep these awesome vids coming.

[@txtoolcrib]

Just calling them like I see them. Thanks for watching.

[@erickmo1188]

The Wave (or wave +) is a timeless, functional, one and done multi-tool option. It’s the most proven platform which is why they’ve built the reputation that they have, and have created the upgraded charge series based on the same tool set. The Supertool 300 is also an incredible option as is the surge. But they’re heavy and the ST300 stays in my truck. The wave rides in my pocket daily. I have a few waves now, mainly to cycle out when I inevitably damage one from pushing it’s uses and have to send it back for a quick repair. I recently sent one in and had it back to me in less than 2 weeks. With service like that-I didn’t mind buying several to guarantee I’m never without one.

[@다랑이-b6q]

The plier handle break over issue can be solved "temporarily". Just fold P4 then you can see Two of "T" shaped Long nose plier ankle area. Grab P4 and hit the T shaped area hard on the wood or something. Then it can help releasing stuck plier to original position. But if you use it again, it will stuck again. So this is big issue for sure.

[@txtoolcrib]

I wonder if they have been able to correct this issue. Mine is one of the early models.

[@simonh2011]

I'd love to see who signed off on the ruler and file on the P4 and said "yeah this is better than what we have already". 2 very useful tools that are basically unusable for so many people! Was looking at the P4 purely for design but I'm going to go update my Rebar with the Wave. Cheers buddy

[@txtoolcrib]

I feel ya!

[@AlergicToSnow]

Hahaha. Love the way you’re pointing out leatherman features with a Swiss army tool.

[@txtoolcrib]

Two of my favorite manufacturers.

[@gunner9010]

Sticking with my Wave +. Thank you for the very thorough review!

[@txtoolcrib]

You’re welcome, thanks for watching.

[@johnjames218]

I have had my wave for years and it has never let me down, I am not retiring it and letting it down.

[@Scottiedowawa]

Recently purchased a Free P4, no issues with the pliers and handle that you pointed out. Maybe Leatherman sorted it out and did a running change? Otherwise, good review.

[@name5949]

been going through your videos I'm getting a new wave+ this weekend so I'm a very happy guy and your videos are awesome👍

[@johnblackwell7717]

Totally agree, I have a Charge TTi with a custom titanium awl, I will wait for the next evolution of the Free series And see if there are any improvements - OUTSTANDING review 👍👍👍

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you sir, and thank you very much for taking the time to watch my video. I hope you’ll find some of my other videos as informative.

[@signbusa]

the malfuunction at 20:12 is the biggest deal breaker. Give that thing more time and use and it will get worse.

[@joelsadowsky3436]

Ben, great review! If it wasn’t for the fact that I’m a leatherman collector I would have returned my new Free P-4. If it sticks like you showed it’s going back to leatherman in a heartbeat! I agree with you 100% on your review. Thanks!

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you sir, I appreciate you taking the time to watch my video. I am going to be returning my P4 soon, hopefully the plier issue will be corrected quickly by Leatherman.

[@lukasbittner3013]

Very very big thanks for your comparison. It is very useful for me. IMHO your view is very serious and practice. You help me in my decision. Thanks. Have great time.

[@txtoolcrib]

You are very welcome sir. I’m glad my video helped you to make your decision.

[@SmoothbassmanStudios]

I have been using my free P4 as a daily driver for 3 weeks now. I have to say I really like the easy access of the tools on the outside of the device. I think that's truley innovative. I think with a few design tweaks from user feedback the P42 could be a solid device. They have to figure out how to get that bit exchanger in there on the next version. That opens up space for the rebar package opener a great awl. I don't know how they are going to fix the file issue. They took that slot and added the sissors which are really nice. Directionally insiring, but they missed the mark just a little bit.

[@txtoolcrib]

I too hope that user feedback as well as reviews will help point Leatherman in the right direction to fix the issues on the new designs. They have some innovative engineering built in, they just don’t work as a package. The ideas are on the right track I think, but they need to approach it differently. Thanks for watching.

[@mbnall]

Far and away the best comparison of these two I’ve ever seen. Good work!

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you sir, I appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time to watch.

[@dukeeod1650]

Great video, I enjoyed and learned something new. I have carried a version of the Leatherman since 1990 and the wave is by far my favorite. Too bad Leatherman doesn't sell a wave/surge/rebar frame and one can add tools as they want them. If the can opener on the rebar is better than the wave just add it, if the serrated blade on the Free is great just add it. A fully customizable Leatherman and the user just chooses the options. Just my two cents.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you. I too have been a long time Leatherman user. The Wave was on my hip for over seven years. It has a special place in my heart, got me out of countless jambs. Hopefully one day we will get the ability to customize our own tools, that would be awesome. I want to thank you for watching and for commenting.

[@warwick0111]

Hello there TX Tool Crib. I think you did a very good review on the two tools. I will say that new one P4, probably was up talked lol. (Marketing And all that) I’m a Generation 2 wave carrier (since 2003 or in the first or second year it came out. I have the locking backs), and I have to agree with you in the sense of practicality. The multi Head replacement with the bit extender I have will beat that “up class Multi tool” for 90% of the jobs I do. And if I don’t have my bit extender Plus extra bits, maybe 75% of the time my Wave will get it done. I do think all the hype was about the fact that out of the box it can do an one hand open. Which isn’t really Noteworthy. Unless you’re one of those New kids on the block. Meanwhile anybody with the wave who has broken it in could One hand open it as well. I don’t see myself “upgrading” to this any time soon. Even after breaking generation 1 and 2 once each. (I broke my generation one prying something open and I accidentally welded my generation two pliers together working on a car.) Just in case anybody is interested in what I do, I do landscaping (trees, dirt, concrete, Grass, stonework, Stones, maintenance on the machines and more. Along with working a part-time job at the Home Depot.) The Leatherman wave (generation two) Will stay by my side for years to come. Thank you for your honest review!

[@txtoolcrib]

You're welcome. I actually think the Gen 2 Wave is the best of the group myself. I don't see the need for replaceable cutters on that small of pliers.

[@green7449]

I feel like Leatherman intended this to be the "Gentlemans" Multi-tool. Sleek, elegant, yet still gets the job done. If you want a work horse, this is not meant to be it. I feel like they tried to make a multi-tool that non tradesman (like myself) could EDC without anything extra, while still having everything that they would need. I agree that it would be awesome if this had the interchangeable bit system, but I don't think Leatherman intended it to be used to that level, especially since they used multiple magnets.

[@txtoolcrib]

I think that is a good description for the intended target market of this tool. Well stated.

[@Critical-Defense]

Agreed. I have the Surge, Charge+ TTi, Free P4 with Customized Laser Etching on both sides of the blade, and a Free T4. My Surge is the all black version and is clearly well used. My Charge+ TTi still looks new and has a belt clip and Answorth leather holster but does get used occasionally, and my FREE P4 looks brand new and is rarely used for anything other than the pliers and knife even though I do carry it often. In my opinion, multi tools are meant for emergencies or to prevent from having to walk 100 yards to grab the right tool. The exception is the Surge which functions just as well as a full size tool and is a real workhorse. If I could only keep one multi tool it would be the Surge.

[@miguelpi8831]

I had the same falfunction of the closing handle on my Surge. Instead of sending it to Leatherman to fix it, i searched it on the internet and its fixable just by hitting the outter side of the tool with a little hammer. Its very common problem and very very easy to solve

[@txtoolcrib]

Thanks for sharing that tip. I actually wasn’t aware of that.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

The problem with the plier head becoming stiff after hard squeezes seems to apply to ALL leatherman models. For example the same thing happens with my Wave+ and it takes a few minutes of intentional working to get it loose again.

[@grasvard]

the point on the wave is better for emergency cuts, clothes and seat belts. The p4s tip will be a hazard in those circumstances

[@txtoolcrib]

I assume that you are referring to the serrated blade.

[@grasvard]

@@txtoolcrib yep

[@Spanky8402]

I was just watching old videos, just to pass the time and it occurred to me, the Wave Clones provide U shaped shims with the wire cutters. Do you think the cutters are creating way to much drag, when they are pressed hard to close? If so, a very thin bronze washer or a few should create enough gap to eliminate that drag. I don't know if anyone will see this comment on a old video, but I figured it might help someone fix they're multitool. I was watching when you were moving the pliers out slowly and it broke free, once the cutters weren't touching. Basically it's creating a lock jaw. Removing the cutters should definitely point that flaw out, if it is the cutters. I don't know if anyone tried any of this.

[@bobgox]

the best honest fully thought-out hands-on review by a true tool user i have seen period ...no fluff, simply real-world based usable information. frankly Leatherman (and other companies) should hire you to truly test their tools. i will hold off on the P-series until Leatherman resolves those issues, for now will be happily keeping my Wave +, Rebar, Super 300 and Skeletool, and trusty Juice KF4 . A+++ Review Ben, Bravo.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you very much, I appreciate you watching.

[@philwalter1655]

Yes mate I have 8 leathermen tools Going back to rhe origional Tim Leatherman just sent me the freep4 I switch between the Wave The supertool 300 and the wave or surge The p4 is just for the knowing i have a good tool in mt pocket when i go out with the family for dinner All the rest ride in a 4 pouch carrier on my edc bag Tha kyou for the video very interesting Cheers phil

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you sir, and thank you very much for watching my videos.

[@MacTX]

I guess this explains why they made the Wave+ rather than just leaving that series alone. The P4 has some interesting ideas but there's just way too many compromises to get the FREE mechanism in there and the $140 retail seems a bit much but I guess they have to pay back that R&D expenditures. The FREE mechanism solves a problem I never had. For some people, that FREE mechanism is probably something they had wanted and needed, I'm just not one of those people.

[@txtoolcrib]

I couldn’t have said it better myself, I’m in total agreement.

[@LAUPAHOYCOWBOY]

The wave plier cutter also sticks and get stuck with different wire materials the wave needs to be broken in for about a year or two before opening like a butterfly knife 😎but being an out doorsmen mechanic and rancher the P4 takes the cake! 🤙🏽 Thanks leatherman for making it smooth to open finally! Good review tho…

[@You-know-it-I-know-it]

Mr Ben, I have been really enjoying your videos on multitools and pocket knives. Thanks for taking the time to make them: you're very knowledgeable regarding tools and their uses, and I can tell you have a fascination for them, which I do too. God bless you sir!

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you, glad you’re enjoying the content.

[@bigneek714]

There are two major wins with the free series: All outside accessible tools that open easily without nail nicks Hollow grind blade The plain edge (P4), combo edge blade (P2)) is the absolute best blade Leatherman has put on a multi-tool. Geometry is better and the hollow grind provided tremendous sharpening life without thickening up as you sharpen up the blade. The plain edge blade on the Wave/Surge/Charge are waaay too thick behind the edge. I honestly thought the Free series was a great step for Leatherman then they started stripping down tools for the sake of making new models.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

I wanted to like the P4 so much. I just can't get over how much better the actual tools are on the wave+. The P4 is super slick, easy to use, etc, but with a crap tool set.

[@txtoolcrib]

I think quite a few people harbor a similar opinion, I included myself in that group as well.

[@HelenoPaiva]

Yeah… for me in need a decent scissor first, a good plier, and I need single hand operation… the rest is just gimmicks. The p4 is always on my pocket and a trust it…

[@alantheloneranger]

There's a guy on youtube called Joshua Driggs, he has transformed his Free P4 so he can use interchangeable bits. He removed the pry bar and Philips screwdriver, and replaced it with his own designed interchangeable bit holder. Huge improvement. This is what Leatherman should have done originally. Check it out

[@txtoolcrib]

I had a chance to see that video, very interesting.

[@watchncarry9593]

Great, honest, in-depth comparison. Thanks for posting. For me, im able to deploy most of the tools on my Surge one-handed (including the pliers). So while having all tools deployable and returnable is a great design for the Free, the cost and compromise on other tools just cant sell me. That being said, im hoping to try one soon to judge for myself

[@txtoolcrib]

I think you said it best, it’s a compromise. It’s too large of a compromise for end users to have to accept though, especially considering the price.

[@watchncarry9593]

@@txtoolcrib true. I think the biggest compromise was what you had mentioned in the video: the bit exchanger. In an ideal world, it would be great to have a multi-tool that has fully-modular/interchangeable parts. But that's unlikely, and not cost-efficient I would assume from a business-model point of view. But having some modular parts like the bit exchanger really opens up the capability and flexibility of a Leatherman. Hopefully reviews and comments from the community will have some influence on their R&D in future designs.

[@Everything_Multi-tool]

I have a similar tightening plier issue with my surge and rebar. As I squeeze hard on the pliers they become sticky. But since their handle tension is good they won’t bent upon reopening. I can loosen the plier again by twisting the handles. I guess there’s a design problem or QC problem with plier heads. My wave doesn’t have the same problem.

[@CO-kd6sd]

It's hard to understand how a company like Leatherman messed this up. I have yet to see a real review that praises the Free tools in an honest way. Most of the ones that say it's amazing are usually pushing those affiliate links real hard or it's a symptom of "OH, SHINY!" whenever a new product comes out. They push the marketing talk from the site and little else. This is a fantastic comparison that is what I was looking for before I got my Wave+. They're either going after a slightly different demographic or were just unaware that longtime users expect more than just magnets.

[@txtoolcrib]

I couldn’t have said it any better, and I am 100% in agreement with your thinking. It is actually the whole reason I decided to start doing reviews, I was so tired of listening to marketing instead of real honest reviews. I think the new FREE series can be made right, by the way, I hate that product name. They have to rethink their implementation and improve the tool set for sure though. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching.

[@BladeWalker77]

Ciao from Italy. Very nice review. What do you think about juice series? I have an XE6 and I like it, almost perfect for my daily routine, camping, fishing, little works at home, food prep ( cooking is a man stuff in my country and with a longer blade it should be better)....I'm sorry they discontinue their products so quickly, maybe they should be more patient and give the people understand that a product is good. In my opinion the best marketing is to make good products, don't you think so?.

[@txtoolcrib]

Thank you sir. I have all of the second generation Juice series. I think they are great EDC multi tools, with one exception. Because they are on the smaller side, I would prefer that they would be spring loaded. I find it a bit cumbersome working with the pliers. I would also prefer to have seen a pocket clip on the smaller S2. It is a shame they are discontinuing them, hopefully they have plans to replace them with something better. I absolutely agree with your last statement. Make good products, and they will sell themselves.

[@Welther47]

20:38 Looks like the P4 needs a locking mechanism once it's open. It might make it a little bit slower to close - or rather demand a "thumb-flick", but if it's solves the problem. Then we have the P5 :) I agree with this video completely.

[@007Entropy]

Have my P4 in my hands watching this. Mine does not have that problem with the pliers. That said I agree with most of your points. My wire cutters on my P4 are way better than my charge, but I think they redesigned the cutting blades

[@txtoolcrib]

It could have been a problem with the first batch that went out, however, I have seen many people with the same problem concerning the pliers. The cutters are definitely sharper than other Leatherman models. They also have a bit more relief behind the cutters than other models, which allows them to cut cleaner. It will be interesting to see if replacement cutters will have the same profile moving forward.

[@kahuphipps6365]

Great videos and info What would be your go multi tool you would recommend for a building and maintenance trade thanks

[@txtoolcrib]

That’s an interesting question. My three top choices would be the Surge, SwissTool, and SuperTool 300. I also think the Crunch could be very valuable in certain situations as well. I think for maintenance, you’ll want to lean towards the more robust models. If you haven’t used a multi tool on the job before now, they will save you multiple trips back to the toolbox for those small jobs.

[@JosephTyson]

I'll consider purchasing a Free P4 when they upgrade the steel of the blades. For the amount of $$$ they are charging for it, that's the least they could do!

[@txtoolcrib]

I agree.

[@M21assult]

Mod the free series with after market bit driver, changes the Philips and pry bar out for it. I have the free p2 so I'm changing scissors for a full serrated too. Also, I can't recreate that plier problem on my free p2. My initial thought is it may be your wire cutters catching each other. When the needlepoint flexes

[@ianlees452]

Exceptionally informative video comparing the two Leatherman products. Methodical in looking at each tool and good camera work. Perfect pace. Was able to decide which Leatherman to purchase. Job done. Thanking you sir.

[@bryanrichey6840]

Totally agree and reached the same conclusion. I have the original Wave and the Surge that are both in need of some warranty work and those have been my EDC at work. Also have a Juice S2 and Skeletool which were my EDC when not at work, the Skeletool being the primary in that role. Looking for something to fill the work role while warranty work is being done and was considering the Free P4 until I actually looked at the toolset within, and am now leaning more toward the Charge TTI. Overall better toolset and better blade steel at a close price point to the P4.

[@txtoolcrib]

I think the Wave is better than the FREE P4, you can imagine how much better I think either one of the Charge series outclasses it. Lol. Good choice.

[@bryanrichey6840]

TX Tool Crib it’s hard to beat the ROI on the Wave....even the 1st gen original Wave I had. It’s difficult to improve on that toolset and quality at that pricepoint. On mine, one needlenose tip broke off early on and had to be corrected with a belt sander, and the pivot joint has become very loose and worn over time. The serrated blade stop broke off, allowing the blade to hyperextend during use. I contacted Leatherman in 2012 about a warranty claim, and then promptly bought a Surge and just threw the Wave in a drawer without sending it for repair. The return spring on the scissors failed a couple of years ago on the Surge and I’ve ignored it. Sent them an email today to get both of them sent in for repair. We’ll see how this goes.

[@txtoolcrib]

Leatherman warranty service is usually pretty great. Hope they get you fixed up.

[@haskellthompson6310]

I like some of leatherman’s products but I’ll stick my Gerber for multi tools. Good review

[@brianbrian4317]

I like the bit exchange and extender but is that something else you need to carry with the tool?

[@thomasc5817]

Great review. My p4 pliers don't open like your's when opening the pliers up. It looks like your catch is weak. I would send it back for sure. Something is off there.

[@resistor888omega]

Spot on review. Same here, i got the surge, wave & free p4 but i'd rather carry the wave.

[@gaffle-411]

Re-title this: "Leatherman Wave + vs Leatherman FAIL P4"

[@txtoolcrib]

You think that might upset some people? Lol.

[@gaffle-411]

TX Tool Crib well why revamp a defacto CLASSIC only to put out a new one with so many shortcomings?

[@Warzac83]

I do a lot of things one handed, or holding something while digging for a tool. The pocket clip and ease of use were key in my decision to get the p4. Coming from the sidekick and wingman; I’m happy with the overall functionality of the p4.

[@benningsniper9516]

It's a fit for some, but i think you're in the minority. The real NEED for a 1 handed opening multi tool is not prevalent

[@lettersdoingtricks8780]

@@benningsniper9516 I disagree with you there. I’m a tradesman so 99% of the time I’m using my real tools and the only real time I use my leather man is when I’m in the middle of something and don’t have a specific tool on me, so the one handed accessibility is exactly what made me choose the p4.

[@300001111]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Leatherman people really "inspired" themselves a lot from the Victorinox Swisstools when it comes to the new Free? The fact that all tools are now accessible from the outside is something that is very Victorinox-ish and Leatherman never had (traditionally, on the older Leatherman tools, you had to fold it open to access all the tools in the handles, because they were on the inside). With the Wave they moved some of the tools (the longer ones) to the outside and the blades even got a one hand mechanism. This is very cool I think and something Victorinox hasn't. But on the Free I see a lot of Victorinox "Spirit" 😉 (lol a play on words) Edit: also the way how they implemented the flat head screwdrivers on the Free, very Swisstool-ish!

[@txtoolcrib]

It does seem to mimic Victorinox to a small degree.

[@Joker-yb6ks]

If edc i use p4, camping use charge tti, at home and work i use surge, all i like, thanks review

[@DeadRingerMachine]

I think the wave won here because you’re SO familiar with it and been using it so long. Spend some time with the P4 as your only tool and I think you’ll figure out how to use it better.

[@txtoolcrib]

I think you’re trying to justify a purchase because it’s newer and shinier. We are all entitled to our opinions. I give opinions based on experience. If you have a different opinion, that’s perfectly fine. Use what works best for you. That being said, the Free P4 simply does not hold up against the Wave, it really is that simple.

[@ucitymetalhead]

For that price point and tool size it shouldn't have wingman tools.

[@txtoolcrib]

I agree with that.

[@DennisHicks78749]

Are the blades interchangeable? If I was willing to swap my Wave tools into a P4 will they fit and work? Thanks for a great review. I was ready to sell my Wave and get a P4 because my old man’s nails can’t pull all the Wave tools out anymore…. : (

[@TheAzurinBoyz2012]

If Leatherman Free P4 did a price drop from $140 to $100. I'll buy it for sure.

[@250rapid]

Agree 100% with this video. Thanks for your comparison!.. At a $140 price tag, I rather purchase the Charge+ but in the mean time, I will definitely stick with my Wave+ which, by the way, it does exactly the same after using it everyday at work 25:25 👍🙂

[@txtoolcrib]

You're welcome. I think the Wave+ is definitely the more capable of the two from a purely functionality standpoint. I do see the appeal of the FREE P4 as well though, it's just not for me.