Tying Strategy to Eco-Management [Age of Empires 2] [ES SUBS]

[@martinlocurcio]

The advice given in this video is pretty much free coaching for everyone. I really aprecciate this kind of content.

[@Rxon012]

Really great video, not many creators make this kind of content, you are the very first creator that explains the game itself, and not just build orders or strategies

[@davidgood840]

Exactly, not that I'm good enough to even think like this yet 🤣

[@FacundoTupac]

This has to be one of the best AoE videos ever made. That chart at the very start with the strategy is spectacular, would love to see more of those plus your explanations

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I've been thinking of instead of build orders, I could release strategies that use a build order, but give instructions for how to adapt depending on the game. I would use a flow chart like this.

[@FacundoTupac]

@@SurvivalistAoE Please, please do, will be really looking forward to that!

[@2drunk2f]

Why Survivalist is my favorite? He has at least two great gifts: he is able to share his knowledge with others a very clear way. And dont forget about the piano pieces which makes me happy anytime I listenning him... Great content, which gives us some hope to be a better player on one day. Thanks a lot.

[@ubellubo]

This channel deserves to be one of the biggest AOE2 channels.

[@LightGreenCorona]

You described exactly the flaws of my game: Floating too much ressources and not having the ressources when they are needed. My take away message from this is to actually redirect villagers to another ressource, learning the numbers for this "modular gameplay" (e.g. 2 on Wood, 4 on Gold for constant Archer from 1 Archery Range) and to be "ahead of the game" (e.g. planning what to do with a building, such as Blacksmith or Unversity, and preparing for that, probably with redirecting villagers.

[@navataru]

This video is a literal gold mine, relic, maxed out farm production, and infinite woodline; all in one. Please make more of these. Your explanations make a lot of sense and breaking it down into resources per minute and number of resources and pool setup required to fund the strategy is genius! It's simpler to follow and makes mathematical sense. Not to mention way more easy to adapt.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I built the heroku app (in the description) so you can figure out the number of villagers you need on each resource for constant production of any unit with any upgrades.

[@franciscogomez8122]

This channel is everything I need, really. I am sick of lessons that really are gameplays and not leassons

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Yup, there's too much wasted time when just talking over games. I try to differentiate scripted videos (higher quality) from stream clips.

[@franciscogomez8122]

@@SurvivalistAoE awesome dude. Me and my friends watch your videos, thanks!

[@NickBrown79]

Holy smokes!!! This is genius. I've memorized a build order only to find I don't know what to do once it's done. This is soooo helpful!

[@ar1sm70]

This is exactly my problem! I mean I don't complain, I went from finding it impossible to beat the Hard AI to finding it impossible to lose to the Hard AI. I just feel memorizing a build order has taken me as far as I can go.

[@kimkwangseokfan]

Dude you definitely deserve more subs. This is top stuff for new, but serious players

[@johnbaker4246]

You deserve way more subscribers than you currently have.

[@stevehuang4863]

the example of the transfer from archers to long swordsman handling eagles is quite impressive. thank u man. really helpful!

[@benw1046]

Man this stuff is gold. Been spam watching like a Byzantine on trash. So helpful to be walked through the theory behind BOs rather than being on autopilot (which is what I was doing)

[@BoloBouncer]

The big lesson I've learned is that maintaining a moderate-to-good build order throughout the game is preferable over sweating out an ideal "perfect" build order. Like you said, if the general strategy is sound, then a little deviation from the path isn't bad and can actually be good for adaptability. I mean, we've all seen enough games where someone turned around a series of bad choices with one inspired decision - so that we know this is way more an art than a science.

[@KERLER_007]

as the writers before I woud like to mention that I appreciate this kind of coaching. I just left my subscription. well done!

[@jupiteroptimus3519]

Thanks you so much man. This is especially the thing i needed!

[@adielg]

Thank you very much dear Survivalist... For the new generations this is gold in minutes of reproduction. In my case, given my family and work obligations, I play little (although I love the game extremely), my lack of skills (and time) conflict with my reasoning and decision-making (which I consider superior, perhaps due to my academic training and experience). Tremendous dichotomy! Please, never stop having those good intentions and dedication. Infinitely grateful!

[@Pai-Vinay]

Fantastic video, one stop shop to understand all about ECO Management . have been looking for something like this for a long time! Thanks.

[@LDProductionsClass]

I am an old AOE2 player who played this game a ton as a kid and have been getting back into it (and into MP) now with the amazing new updates. As I've been getting into build orders, it occurred to me that it would be better to understand why the build orders work so we can adapt them on the fly. For example, don't tell me to put 6 on food at the start; tell me it takes X vills on sheep to keep the TC going, Y for Britons, and why it's important to get to that stage of sustainability first. Then I'll know I better get 6 on Sheep right away without a build order. And if you tell me boars gather as fast, and that they're easiest to get under the TC, I'll know what to do next on my own. Food for vills, wood for houses, food for age up, wood for buildings. Boom, I reverse engineered the typical dark age build order. I've been trying to find content that goes into that depth, rather than simply giving build orders. It's frustrating because the pros clearly think this way, so why not make that kind of content? I saw on Reddit that you were supposed to be a content creator who goes into this kind of depth, and this is the first vid I've landed on, but so far I really like what I see. Thank you for awesome content!

[@flowdugie399]

I am planning on learning aoe2 this year, so these vids are heaven-sent!

[@smaruh_4854]

Awesome Video, especially the chart with how many villagers you need per building was super helpful! 11:17

[@SurvivalistAoE]

If you check out my heroku app, you can see the numbers for every unit: aoe2-de-tools.herokuapp.com

[@soulsfang]

Wow. I've always been a very casual player (BF noob stomping AI post imp with a casual 30-50 vils on every res before making military) and only recently started delving into build orders. Still not confident enough with any particular build/civ to want to try ranked yet, but I love videos like this that really deep dive into the math behind eco vs military. This is easily the most clear video I've seen on how to adapt your eco based on any given situation, and I've played around the app a little bit to get a better idea of how many vils should go where. The app is incredible, though I do have a suggestion/request: add in buildings to see how much res to float before investing in a specific military unit. I'll probably end up making a spreadsheet just so that I can wrap my head around the math, and if/when I do, I'd be happy to share if it would save some work adding it into the app (which I now have bookmarked). Kudos and many thanks for the excellent video, gonna subscribe and go check out more of your channel now! Cheers!

[@SurvivalistAoE]

The app is more for maintaining production, so it doesn't really help with one-time purchases (like buildings or upgrades). Generally if you're adding a new production building, you should try to have most of the economy required to support it before it's finished constructing.

[@shashwatgupta2461]

This probably is the best AoE2 improvement video we all need, at almost all levels. Really appreciate the content and a million thanks for helping out everyone from noobs to semi-pros improve at the game we love!

[@ar1sm70]

I remember that you need 6 on Food to keep 1TC producing, but I struggle to remember that analogy for every single unit.. This means I tend to play it by ear and usually misspend some resources.. Seems like I need more experience playing. Fantastic video, thank you!

[@rairochi]

Great Video. This knowledge pretty much applies to every stage/skill level of the game. Could be read as a master build imo. 👍

[@theblackknight6405]

One of the best Aoe2 tutorials i've ever seen. Keep it up man, you rock!

[@david_oliveira71]

Again very deep-dive and comprehensive. Deeply appreciated!

[@diegocabrera6065]

i love this videos, you say things that may sound obvious, but when it is said, the player thinking changes for good. Can't wait to apply this new content in my games.

[@bont3]

definetly a great video! I'll probably have to rewatch it a couple of times. Lot of number crunching going on so I feel like I lost half the information. If it's possible, could you ever do a live video on this? Where you just go mostly through the eco, for me that doesn't mean the exact amount of villagers but just the general idea. That would help me a lot. I know you already say it out loud during streams, like: I need more on food. But this video made me realise there's more than just saying I need more on food.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

A lot of the thinking has to be done before you even get in game. Try to memorize how many villagers you need to maintain knights if you're planning to go knights. If you do this for each new strategy that you want to learn, you'll eventually remember the resource balance for each unit. You also have to take into account the resources that you already have when deciding to get farms or production facilities. If you're floating a lot of resources, you can get production up sooner, and then get farms after. It depends on how many extra villagers chopping wood as well. It's pretty complex.

[@bont3]

@@SurvivalistAoE I'll stick with that for now and I think if I pay more attention to my eco thinking about all that it will come to me with experience. Just never thought about it that deep :) Thanks again, also for the quick reply!

[@justxavier9999]

bont3 and use Survivalist’s AOE II Heroku App to understand the eco you need for constant production ~~

[@vanhelsingh1]

Subbed. This is great content. This channel will blow up 🚀

[@alejandroromero6464]

I'm gonna look for this playlist. Looking forward for more. Awesome teaching.

[@rickychardzz]

Been playing since 2017 and it is something i never really learned or understood the importance to prioritize the eco before de military production..... i mastered the build orders but not the reaction..... Alot of times i go 2 stables knights and create extra tc but i don’t have the eco to produce non stop(still is effective at 1100 elo) it is definitely the next step i need to master

[@SurvivalistAoE]

The biggest tip I can give you is that for 3 tcs you need 16 farmers + wheelbarrow to keep them all running. If you have 3 tcs in castle age, make sure you always have at least 16 farms.

[@John11747]

This is definitive suuplement to generic build order videos.....👍❤️

[@nerdfooda]

Amazing vid, super detailed. My only thought is to detail your fantastic heroku app a bit bc if I hadn't already familiarized myself with it I can imagine this kind of content would be a little confusing/overwhelming. Love the style though, really engaging!

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Totally. The UI of the heroku app could use a rework.

[@janpiet1530]

I needed this. I learned only one build order, and stick to it. Then I wonder why I have no wood, because I do not adapt my economy by pumping out archers when I get to castle age.. Thanks!

[@WillyMacShow]

Legend video

[@keerthanshagrithaya303]

This is amazing content. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!

[@brix_aoe3173]

banger of a video, really strong!

[@Pyroptere]

Awesome video! And cool heroku app! Keep up the great work :)

[@dirkauditore8413]

Excellent content, keep it up bro love the vids

[@nathanieldoyle6652]

Great video! I found you while trying to find someone who plays Byzantines, unfortunately not many others like the civ

[@mattice9083]

Highly underated stuff my dude

[@danielperkins9347]

This is incredible. I have a looot to learn.

[@CirrowProductions]

What this video says in the beginning about adaptation is why TheViper is the best player at the game. The talents he was born with apply perfectly to the game. If you watch him carefully, now and then he will, while somehow managing who knows how many things in his head, sit back and come to essentially an entirely new strategy adapted entirely to the situation. So, it is not that he is a strategist which is why he is so good, strategists cannot be on Viper's level, it is that TheViper is a technical problem solver. No person unless they have TheViper's skillset can be as good as him. Hera is too fast and competetive. Other players just memorize build orders and offshoots mid-game from their memory. Only TheViper totally re-makes his entire attitude towards the game situation mid-game. What was descirbed in the beginning of this video is what TheViper was made to do. He just by happenstance plays a game that tests this very ability. MrYo was able to start beating him by distracting him so much with pressure, similar to Haong's style, that Viper has no time to sit back and come to a magical solution that no one else can come to to win, the perfect strategy. He throw so many balls into Viper's hands while he's already juggling a dozen, and TheViper can't take his focus off the juggling and go within and come to an inspiration on how to handle a situation. Hera does something similar, but Hera is too brute force. He harasses more, and more intensely than Yo, but Viper still comes out on top over him for some reason. This nature Viper possesses is why I believe he is the best aoe2 player in history, even though Yo has been beating him sometimes lately. The only person who could replace TheViper is someone who has a similar talent set at him, specifically being a very organized mind paired with a strong memory, an aptitude for mechanical thinking, NOT strategical thinking, and a strong intuition, which will provide the path forward at every challenge the game offers. Hera, TheMax, MBL, all these players have talents that can make them good at different thing, but TheViper reigns as king in this specific video game.

[@LightGreenCorona]

Although this a very nice narrative, I don't go completely along with it. Viper is the best player, no Daut about that. But not just because of some magical talent. He is super fast in clicking and executing, just like Hera, maybe a little less. And Hera is not just brute force. He knows how to adapt as well, almost on Vipers level. Furthermore, many things, especially in a complex game, come down to experience. And this is the only very exclusive trait of Viper in my opinion: He still learns from experience. By playing non-Meta, civ wise and strategy wise. So, basically, he has seen so much of AoE2 that he has seen a solution for almost everything. Your opinion seems a lot like the Guardiola-Klopp-rivalry in football: One is cold calculation, the magician, the philosopher. The other is pure passion, heavy metal football, brute physicality. In fact, their teams have so much more in common.

[@serotonin_dopamine]

@@LightGreenCorona I think both you and Kozy are right in this and we see very similar things across other competitions. I honestly believe a similar comparison to Viper and AOE2 is Magnus Carlson and Chess. It is very well known in the chess community that with the advancement of computers that deep memorization of the lines has occurred. It is not uncommon for perfect lines to be executed through the 20-30 turn range in today's play, especially in longer time controls. Magnus is able to do this himself with exceptional ability and so is many of his competition. Where Magnus was able to particularly separate himself was past the lines and the late end game. He was able to grind down the opponents and make them uncomfortable in messier games. He has such knowledge of the game and the mechanics of the game that he can simply see moves his opponents cannot. He is willing to not play the perfect line in an attempt to make his opponent uncomfortable. There are a lot of similarities here to what Viper does in AOE2. Viper is able to play with the best when they want to play meta or very well explored strategies of the game. His mechanical skill is very top-notch, probably not the best anymore, but he is no slouch. Where Viper is able to separate himself is when things get abnormal and things drift from meta. His deep and intuitive understanding of the game is still what separates him from others. He might, and does, lose some straight meta matches as players have been able to narrow, and surpass, his brute mechanical skill, but I think Viper stands alone at the deepest intuitive understanding of the game. I see this same with Magnus who has had some close matches and has even takes a loss or two here and there, yet remains at the top. Viper has had a down 2020 comparatively to his previous greatness, but he is still very solidly in the top 4 objectively and subjectively at number 1 for me.

[@CirrowProductions]

@@serotonin_dopamine It is not understanding of the game that causes him to have his intuitions, it is that theViper can think intuitively while managing his army and economy. For someone else to do this, they'd have to take their hand off the mouse, pause, calm their mind, and meditate. Viper can do this while playing. As a result, he has the best counter moves of any player in the game. This is why he is a defensive player.

[@gonzalocarreras1379]

This kind of videos are amazing, congratulations and thank you

[@MrGuamedo]

Congrats for the vid! 10/10 quality

[@YuraNebov]

Man, thank you for this video.

[@giamarvel1736]

such great informative content. It's like going to aoe school, great teacher! We need this!

[@ThatGuanfranco]

Great video. I feel 100 elo stronger already.

[@gersonfilho898]

Glad to discover this channel. The awesome content made click subscribe straight away.

[@atulgangwar7455]

This is a beautiful video. Viper should learn from this and not just say "it depeeendddsss"

[@SurvivalistAoE]

It's so much easier to just say "it depends" though 11

[@Kreege]

Just because someone is incredibly accomplished in their craft doesn't necessarily mean they will be a good teacher of that craft. Performing and teaching are two completely separate skillsets. For example, Wayne Gretzky was a notoriously terrible coach.

[@atulgangwar7455]

@@Kreege stop blabbering.

[@Kreege]

@@atulgangwar7455 no

[@atulgangwar7455]

@@Kreege Understandable. Have a nice day.

[@Mystprism]

Thank you! Excellent as always.

[@lemiwings100]

This is gold! Amazing tips

[@colmduffy2272]

this is really good. The Devil really is in the detail, a cheat sheet would be excellent (Maybe there is already?). As in 6 farmers for constant vill production, 4 archer production, 2 for long swords...

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Yeah, I should make a poster or something. Visual design is not really my thing, but all of the information is available in my heroku app (the villagers required page)

[@colmduffy2272]

@@SurvivalistAoE your app is great!

[@colmduffy2272]

@@SurvivalistAoE also, I agree with you re build orders. They are good, but then, for new players, they can be bad. It teaches you inflexibility.... Your plan is the build order, and you can adapt if it goes wrong. So a mere drush can lose you the game. It's taken me a long time to show them. Don't get me wrong, they are useful, but they can't be the foundation. Your resources are a valuable tool in dealing with that inflexibility.

[@seotutseitut1078]

Definitely the best AoE video I've ever seen. But what's up with the game at around the 15 min mark. Army of xbows in Feudal? Is it a custom scenario? (joking, it does illustrate a great point)

[@julianherbold7931]

Best tutorials out there on yt, can you give a deep dive into hotkeys? I am currently using more and more but its starting to get a bid messy will all the options

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I go over my hotkeys briefly here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXiVZmiieNmBmq8

[@dcanerkurt]

Thank you for sharing these great tips!

[@gruntgg]

Excellent video. Thank you very much!

[@peterpan2990]

Glad to see this.

[@melissabury5702]

this is SO USEFUL. Thanks man :)

[@mariobeastable]

Awesome content!

[@crabcrab7695]

Comment for the algo, Survivalist is tha bomb!

[@Chriiichriii]

Underated video ! Thx

[@sethzimmerman6114]

Awesome vid!!

[@Seranuelian]

Amazing Video. Could you upload the visualisations you used for how many Villagers Harvesting what resource for which unit? That'd be an amazing resource to have.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I built this app for this: aoe2-de-tools.herokuapp.com/villagers-required.html You can figure these numbers out for all units and a few buildings where it's somewhat relevant.

[@GrimmLewis]

@@SurvivalistAoE Thanks so much for this.

[@dirkauditore8413]

@@GrimmLewis This is top notch stuff, and its for free, did it help u improve? I found the fact that 550 wood is needed for 2 tcs upon reaching castle age, really useful for my BF games after i go for an fc build. Tho its useful for when i play 1v1 Arabia too.

[@GrimmLewis]

@@dirkauditore8413 Helped me a lot when I'm trying to switch tech and need to know how much res is needed for it. Really time and brain cell saving.

[@dirkauditore8413]

@@GrimmLewis For sure, though it can still be tricky when you factor in civ bonuses that affect collection rate of res. My big question though, is how many on gold for 2 monastery monk production + 1 siege workshop mangonels 111

[@diogovalente6613]

would you be able to put out a sheet with that general information compacted in an image? i.e. the number of workers necessary on each resource so the military building doesnt go idle and other relevant information talked about in the video. It doesnt have to be exact, just a ballpark based without techs and then i could estimate slightly better timings with techs. The purpose is to be able to look at what i need to allocate before going into different stratagies in a single image.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

All of that information can be seen on my heroku app here: aoe2-de-tools.herokuapp.com/villagers-required.html You can select any unit with any bonus.

[@FernandoMartinez-zh6jz]

So... Much... Info... I've just started to play the campaign xd 11:38 I'll try to remember that first lol. Thanks

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Those numbers don't include the decimals so it's different when you're building from multiple facilities. I took all the numbers from my heroku app here: aoe2-de-tools.herokuapp.com

[@GF12813]

min 8:38 24,6x2,66=57, in my calculation 24,6x2,66=65, what am I missing?

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I must've been factoring in walking/bumping, but I didn't really say that in the video. Also, writing an improper equation without even clarifying it was a mistake. I probably wrote the calculation, and then used the real time test as the solution or something.

[@GF12813]

@@SurvivalistAoE thanks, makes sense

[@brandonriordan2837]

ive only recently discovered how important this is.

[@danielperkins9347]

Earned a sub. I’ll be watching some other vids for sure.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I recommend checking out the videos in the "knowledge" playlist. kzbin.info/aero/PLQ8BgSJQQkY3XiYdhsAp1tcPAAJob9CJb

[@danielperkins9347]

@@SurvivalistAoE will do. Knowing what is needed on a resource to maintain production is something I hadn’t thought about much. Biggest takeaway here is that feudal is about spending wood. That will change my whole perspective.

[@abhishekjain3148]

I don't think anyone has explained eco management by showing 11:35 how many villagets u need to keep a building running.👍🏼👍🏼 I'll share this as much as I can. This is almost something over which twitch pros earn money from.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I even wrote an app (the heroku app link is in the description) which gives you the numbers for every unit.

[@abhishekjain3148]

@@SurvivalistAoE 0_o

[@benjamindonnot3902]

Thanks à lot! Very useful 😊

[@Afzal_EightySix]

Superb!!!

[@TBPetitP]

15:05 "The eagles are coming!"

[@vinconssier4224]

Epic content I love this game lol

[@MrPaffy123]

great job !!! It helps al lot :)

[@KANTTT]

what a great vid

[@david_oliveira71]

@Survivalist - Will you ever be making a video with Spirit of The Law (SOTL)?

[@SurvivalistAoE]

I've never been in contact with him, but maybe at some point.

[@ottomann4846]

These videos should go into an art of war type thing in the game itself imo

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Waiting for my Microsoft sponsorship 11

[@ottomann4846]

@@SurvivalistAoE no 11! Your voice even sounds a bit like the art of war tutorial voice!

[@zorkos30]

Great video ! Someone know where i can find the exact number of villager needed on each ressources for every unit of the game ? You give a couple of example in the video but wonder about the rest.

[@SurvivalistAoE]

If you click on the heroku app in the description and the click on the top option in the page it loads, you'll be able to see all of them. I also did a video explaining how to use the tool here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4bPoYRmmpylmMk&ab_channel=Survivalist The video is a bit outdated, but it still should get you started.

[@zorkos30]

@@SurvivalistAoE great stuff thanks !

[@alejandroromero6464]

@@zorkos30 You can calculate it by making a rule of three involving the rate of production of your unit and the rate of the gathering of the resources needed.

[@Felix_EN]

Spirit of the law but actually useful

[@dirkauditore8413]

Lmaoo

[@tag180rotax]

I love the helpful videos and hope my opponents never see them 11

[@beratertas7019]

Uhm i play casually i cant digest these in a year but my math is ok. I have trouble with multitasking. When to make army, When to make economy, Should i attack or defend, gamescore reading about enemy armies and stuff is hard for me. 900 elo...

[@SurvivalistAoE]

All comes down to experience. You learn these things as you play more and think about how to do things better when you make mistakes.

[@beratertas7019]

@@SurvivalistAoE i am 990 now i will update my elo.

[@beratertas7019]

1056

[@spicytranslations9604]

Less villagers or fewer villagers🧐

[@SurvivalistAoE]

Amount of villagers or number of villagers 🧐

[@Omni0404]

My build order when getting archered in feudal: crap, crap, ummmm 2 archery range skirm skirm skirm skirm

[@victor6010]

8:16 does pros actually calculate all that stuff? Ok I'll never be a pro

[@wadallat2]

There is 1 dislike... must be the one who played as the Japanese

[@atulgangwar7455]

It's Viper

[@vitormonteiro3715]

play britonssss :)))

[@justxavier9999]

2nd

[@DjFiveCore]

1st