Tying the Hunter's Bend (or Rigger's Bend)

Demonstration of a method for tying the Hunter's Bend, AKA Rigger's Bend, ABOK 1425A.
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[@carolrochfort7929]

I have only just found your knot tying videos and I'm blown away by them. You are so brilliant at explaining the differences between knots and their uses. Thank you so much

[@jrbtc]

@@carolrochfort7929 I appreciate your comment and support. I do my best. Cheers

[@paulcrave3112]

Always good to review this.

[@jrbtc]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@bradbishop-atfulldraw7491]

I love this knot like so many other you present , thank you !

[@paulcrave3112]

Good demonstration. Thanks John.

[@gosnelljames]

The ability to use the two eyes as leverage to untie yet the hunters bend also takes load, makes this a very great knot.

[@Simon-80]

First i dont like the hunters bend, because it was tricky to tie but now where i do it this way it is my favourite bend because t get it simply untied and the bend seems very strong. and it is not neccesary to add a safety on it. A Bend good to expect and with nice symmetrical look. Thanks John!

[@jrbtc]

Excellent. I agree on all points. When I first researched the Hunter's Bend, I assumed I would NOT like it and would prefer Zeppelin bend. Zeppelin is supposed to be stronger, easier to untie. Hunter's is supposed to get jammed under load. But under normal loads that we experience in low slack climbing, Hunter's is perfectly easy to untie, whereby Zeppelin lacks stability and can actually become unstable or untied when it is slack and subjected to jostling and handling in transport. If it's a bit stronger, that's great, but I don't know how we can generate the forces necessary to require that strength in low slack climbing.

[@greyhawk-111]

As usual, great demonstration.

[@jeffwshann]

Thanks for this and your other videos. I really like this knot and definitely easier to untie and adjust than a double fisherman’s bend. I was curious about using an Alpine Butterfly Bend on a Prusik loop, mainly because it’s a lot easier for me to tie and seems to be a lot easier to untie as well. Probably not quite as secure as a hunter’s bend but seems awfully close. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks again.

[@jrbtc]

First, thanks for your comments and support. Now as for the Alpine Butterfly Bend vs the Hunters Bend, I am not aware of any formal testing which has compared them side by side. I do plan to do some myself. In the meantime, my guess is that they would be close and comparable in strength, complexity and jam characteristics. Double Fisherman's would beat em both in strength but not the others. And so, that's your go-to Bend, I have no issues with using it. And you accept the responsibility to tie it in the any risk associated with it. Cheers

[@oddjob66]

John, if it’s not as strong as a double fisherman, could you add to the tag end length and tie stopper knots on the tags and still untie the hunters bend after loading?

[@jrbtc]

It's a good question. I am going to give a convoluted answer but bear with me. For limited slack life safety applications, it's my opinion that Hunter's Bend meets all the necessary requirements. It might not be as strong as double fisherman's knot, but in my own testing, I am unable to need that strength difference. Watch the video that I am linking below. The friction hitches were the subject of the test, but the Hunter's Bend was also tested. And they were rock solid. If i did need higher strength for some kind of rigging application, I might consider the Zeppelin Bend. It's stronger, same complexity and easier to untie. I don't use it for my climbing applications any more because I find it less STABLE than Hunter's... more easily loosened while slack. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2iQh2ONrJ2Mrrc

[@joeschopf9197]

Can I use this knot instead of the double fisherman’s when making prusik loops? I find the fisherman’s far too bulky and cumbersome when tying friction hitches.

[@jrbtc]

Ultimately, that decision is yours. I do use the hunters Bend in my system for friction hitches. I accept that it's not as strong as other bends, because i am a no slack climber with backups for everything except my rope. Amazingly, there's no resource I am available which will give us strength and efficiency numbers for this and the other secure bends. I believe it is not as strong as the double fisherman's knot nor the Zeppelin bend. I find Zeppelin unstable and more prone to coming loose. Amd DF is impossible to untie. I plan to do some future testing on a load scale. I will publish here on the channel.

[@gsatiucla5139]

Hi, is this knot safe to use for webbing? Thanks.

[@jrbtc]

Use a Water Knot for webbing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5PNq2l7f6qcndEsi=3dugBIOLINpTLt2B

[@seanbarrett657]

What if any is the benefit over the zepplin bend? Never used the hunters bend but I've used the zepplin bend for years and sounds the same in function yet easier to tie.

[@jrbtc]

Great question. I also used Zeppelin before Hunters. Bottom line is that I like HB for non slack climbing life applications because it is more stable than ZB. Especially with stiffer cords and ropes, Zeppelin can come apart when wiggled and jiggled which is normal for our friction hitches when in transport. I like ZB for rigging applications like tying two ropes together when pulling on a tree during felling cuz its easier to untie, even after heavy loading. This video goes over both of them. kzbin.info/www/bejne/laHUfJalZpaFe6csi=wi-aeliymzwBell5

[@chuckwhite8365]

How long do you usually leave the tag ends on the hunters bend knot?

[@jrbtc]

A minimum of approximately 10x the cord diameter is what i learned. So a 6mm cord has 60mm tails, which is over 2 inches. For a climbing application, i generally error on the side of making them longer, because it's always possible I might want that rigging just a little bit longer in the future, and I can leverage the ease of untying the Hunters Bend to do so quickly.

[@IRONHQ]

Good knot to hunt off of?

[@jrbtc]

It's a secure Bend. I use it to join the ends of my friction hitch ends and I have been climbing on it for many years.

[@samharris5263]

Can I use this knot to tie 8mm cord to paracord?

[@jrbtc]

You can. I wouldn't recommend it though. If you're doing this as a temporary tie to put a rope in a tree, use 2 Bull Hitches in series. I can tie it in the dark and that's not the case with a Hunter's Bend. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKbEk4aKormgebcsi=0gj37hNnEL1_NdkL

[@samharris5263]

My goal is to remove a carabiner when remotely releasing the running jrb hitch. I probably should have started my comment with that. Do you still recommend the bull hitches?

[@jrbtc]

@samharris5263 i didn't completely understand your question. Please watch the 2 videos on the Maverick Hitch. I prefer it over the Running JRB Hitch.

[@MartinRivera-zp7lr]

Nice!!!!

[@jamesgillies3710]

great knot that breaks after loading.