Tyler Perry on the "poetic justice" of building new studio on former Confederate Army base

"CBS This Morning" co-host Gayle King went behind the scenes at Tyler Perry’s historic 330-acre movie studio complex in Atlanta. The site features a dozen soundstages named after black icons in Hollywood. Perry is the creative force behind 22 movies, 20 plays and eight TV shows. The 50-year-old writer, director and actor told King what inspires him to think big.
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[@Bayoubelle83]

When they don’t let you in their lane and you create your own!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙌🏾

[@tangiblemammal5273]

Who wouldn't let him in their lane, who try to stop him while wearing a dress?

[@Bayoubelle83]

Tangible Mammal As he’s stated, Hollywood ignores him or did you not watch the interview? You can play Ray Charles if you want to but, don’t come under my comment w/the mess. I said what I said!

[@tangiblemammal5273]

@@Bayoubelle83 Hollywood ingonre alot of people, he doesn't have one classic movie. Playing a loud, ratchet, violent old women who smokes weed and brags about her gun did what for the black race?

[@Bayoubelle83]

Tangible Mammal It entertained us! Anything else?

[@tangiblemammal5273]

@@Bayoubelle83 like Martin, eddy, wayne brothers, kevin heart, wesley snipes, and the list goes on with wearing a dress. Now what race do you see dating the same sex the most? 18 transgender killed this year, 17 of them were black. What ever tho, ain't no hope. Soon every city with be like the atl....filled with aids

[@telldem1]

This man is a role model for all of us!

[@accountclosed8569]

Not me

[@godmadesam]

I know what you mean! Am I going to put on a dress and make movies, NO, however, his dream fulfillment and obtainment is something to emulate in our own way!

[@bobby12348]

@@accountclosed8569 Sometime u have to go through life doing stupid things in your life to find your true place in life.😊✌🏿

[@3ball260]

@@accountclosed8569 *"not me"* then why are you here. I bots like you in every video that talks about politics, race just about anything. You have too much time on your hands.

[@0rionsaint]

Exactly. I admire someone who came from nothing and worked worked hard to make something of themselves. I don't admire trust fund babies.

[@castolano]

The man said “nobody had ever talked to me like a human being as a child” . As a 39 year old Blackman I can super relate

[@KimyonZari]

31membami painful

[@roverthaon7446]

I am sorry. Keep it up...greetings from Europe.

[@brittneyhuggins9541]

I’m so sorry you had to go through that. I hope you are having better days

[@sungodjrspot]

brotha as a 55year old man i experienced the samething.I lived in a place with my mother AND father,4 sisters and a baby brother and i was literally ALONE! No one talked to me,i still do things like a kid because after learning in school to do things NO one EVER showed me how to do these things the right way.yeah i feel him and you one those levels.This is why i talk sooo much,im a motivational speaker in my spare time,i blog,write,have a published ebook etc...I wish we could talk too each other as black males but we have been taught not to so it continues the cycle. Break that damn cycle.

[@AfricanGirl]

same here. n I'm a 28 year old African woman

[@cathycook2905]

When he talked about his child being his healer....that got me. I was molested and raped. When I had my daughters and I got them from childhood to adulthood without being touched or raped......it healed me. My sons became beautiful, loving men. Getting them childhood to adulthood without gangs, jail, drugs......healed me. I did it!! Mostly by myself too. My children know they are my heart.

[@bobby12348]

What a beautiful story my heart fill with joy u made it.😊God continue to bless you and your family.✌🏿😊

[@edwimliberal2562]

Cathy Cook keep pushing to whoever you is 🙏🏾

[@ceferrill]

So proud of you mama ❤️🥰

[@Lady1234bug]

Thanks for sharing. Beautiful. Bravo Cathy!!! Job well done!!!👍🏿😁😍💪🏾

[@asanta2023]

Cathy Cook your comment touched my heart Cathy. You sound similar to me, was in similar situations and now have a 17 yr old who is an awesome human being. He has never been in gangs, done drugs, no jail and I thank My Lord every single day. Wishing you and your loved ones the best!

[@MsDisneylandlover]

he needs a movie about his own life

[@CTFlagVid]

I'm sure it's coming

[@MsDisneylandlover]

@@CTFlagVid and plz follow my youtube channel

[@smokeymayrand4757]

I'd be first in line

[@5822huron]

Not yet! Hes still rising. Lol

[@tynishabattle2725]

I believe he already made it it’s called Good deeds I only believe it I made not be true but I believe

[@ProxyMinePro]

I admit I am not a fan of the "Medea" movies, but I respect Perry's hustle and drive. He gets even more of my respect for converting that base.

[@lovenevadawms9562]

I can tell bc it's spelled Madea😄😄

[@cocobenji6123]

he has some great movies. A lot of those madea movies were low budget because he was building. Check out If loving you is wrong. Its great.

[@keen7323]

*madea

[@eugenewells2065]

You actually hating, you sound like a racist. Just hold the L.

[@mattstryker2886]

Madea is funny af

[@spiritrualityjourney3282]

Don't have to like him or be a fan of his to be proud of his success and admire his accomplishments. Great Job Mr. Perry!

[@vanessasalinas4064]

👏👍❤

[@3220sunshine]

FACTSSSS!!! GREAT JOB MR PERRY!!!!

[@MJM8715]

Yes!! Great job!!👏🏾👏🏾

[@iflick7235]

@Mascara I don't think they're "jealous and broke" They're exploited and ridiculed. Tyler Perry has found a way to make an incredible amount of money on depicting Black people as layabouts and buffoons. A black man in drag behaving like Enchamima isn't funny.

[@JRenee-Sings]

@Mascara Why do they have to be black people ?? Man !! With all the racist, jealous, evil People in the world, you single out black people. Unbelievable

[@latifalaurel5903]

Wow from being homeless living in your car to Madea stage plays and now the only black man to own his studio productions center that's phenomenal!! God chose the right man because Tyler Perry is a selfless and giving man!!

[@0rionsaint]

Exactly. I admire someone who came from nothing and worked worked hard to make something of themselves. I don't admire trust fund babies.

[@DrixMaloneDFS]

@@0rionsaint This is SELF MADE!! Not Kylie...

[@nuwoman1828]

He really is.

[@nicoleharris8]

Those dislikes is the REASON HE GONE KEEP ON DOING HIS DAMN THING 🤣🤣🤣 Go TYLER!! You got them mad 😂

[@dertythegrower]

uh nah.. he is a veiled racist who makes racial movies only... for one type of person. And no, hollywood is jewish rich money, not white money

[@carolyncordova5522]

When he talked about his son, he made me cry 😢 I love this man! So proud of him

[@Ilovedogzzz76]

I felt when he said a person never talked to me as a human being when he was a child....

[@gloriah1449]

Omg. When he said his son is his healer. Wow!! Lord I hope Tyler knows how much he ministers to people. I have a 2 year old and I just realized my son is my healer. Wow! I couldnt pin point out and now I know. Wow. Praise God! My dream is to meet this man..

[@chrisno6669]

I would love to meet him too. I don't care much for celebrities. But Tyler is different bc he is genuine and selfless. I once heard him say that he takes care of his dad financially even though his dad doesn't want nothing to do with him. Wow, thats admirable. Thats my brother through Jesus Christ.

[@jenniferbeckford6951]

Q

[@lerayshaaen]

If someone would have told my ancestors that a black man would own 330 acres of land !!! Omg when God is involved God shows out!!!

[@missgangsmashers737]

GOD? Really...Tyler Perry sold his soul to Lucifer. 330? The 33 is Masonic for 33rd Degree Free Mason. Let's wake up people PLEASE!

[@lerayshaaen]

@Jasmine. יסמן פארוא Peace amen

[@3220sunshine]

YES INDEED!!!!!

[@mstiffany]

Just to be clear black folks do own land in all parts of the world as for America the US owes us a debt which includes land

[@the4thtribe709]

Deuteronomy 22 verse five A woman must not wear men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing, for whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD your God.. God would not put him in a dress and have him dress up like a woman to make him rich and powerful. So I really don’t think God made him rich I do think God allowed him to be rich but I don’t think God put a dress on him to get him to where he’s at

[@1964ser1]

That's what I'm talking about.... BLACK MAN MAGIC !!!

[@HuesoAmarilloAfricana]

That has a GREAT ring to it! ❤️

[@glxjchaos7775]

Ser Dee *power

[@crissyalice4825]

I pray black Americans hold him up and never stop being his silent partners.

[@miriameclipse7953]

crissy alice we were never silent especially when it comes to him. We are his biggest investors

[@ladybethisrael0792]

Tyler is THE man!! Congrats to him!! God is Great!!

[@vanityebony3666]

Awwwww Tyler this interview touched my heart especially hearing about his son. God continue to bless you and your family ❤️❤️

[@HedgeKnight170]

He starts talkin about his son and all I can do is think about mine. So true. Tearin up at work... Would love to see the studio one day.

[@cakianflemmings4602]

This brought tears to my eyes especially when he talked about his son being his healer. May God continue to bless and keep you Tyler Perry. I'm truly inspired. All the best and continue making history. We love and appreciate you.

[@LindaMitchell]

Me, too!

[@Bentleygirl7]

The irony of the locale is especially delightful🤣 Tyler is a living testament to GOD'S favor. His life is an inspiration to all of us on so many levels.. Sooooooooooo happy for him! Congrats, Tyler Perry! #BLESSED 🙌

[@pooh4025]

This story is one of the best inspirational stories of the week.

[@angeliaimeanttoloveyouharr8404]

Kiia bath & body it really is👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@gloriousjohnson1807]

Millennium!

[@NSoutherland_WellnessMD]

Amen

[@AnalystAyi]

I am sooooo INspired...I already have a wonderful career here in ATL but now I'm inspired to do more..push more...TIme to get this real estate License...Time TO CREATE AND BUILD!!!!

[@Beetwate305]

Are you single? Let’s do it together!!!!

[@Beetwate305]

My son isn’t invited to Tyler Perry’s studio!!!!! Shoot him if he comes to the gate

[@HH-bz6me]

Go get em girl! #blackgirlmagic

[@gokaren420]

I am rooting for you girl...

[@audiovisualproof5407]

GO GET IT, GO GETTER!

[@tekishiachambers3077]

I love this. Tyler brought tears to my eyes.

[@gentillygirl545]

Yeah! Building his media empire over a former Confederate stronghold! The majestic symbolism of it all. Go Tyler!!

[@Sponsorship4u2]

*Indeed*

[@khemistrycreators4845]

Another Fact: Some Southern Blacks aided the confederacy. Most of those Blacks were "forced" to accompany their masters or were forced to toil behind the lines. Black men were not legally allowed to serve as combat soldiers in the Confederate Army (this is not to say that no black man ever fired a gun for the confederacy), they were cooks, teamsters, and manuel laborers. There were no black Confederate combat units in service during the war and no documentation whatsoever exists for any black man being paid or pensioned as a Confederate soldier, although some did receive pensions for their work as laborers. Nevertheless, the black servants and the confederate soldiers formed bonds in the shared crucible of conflict, and many servants later attended regimental reunions with their wartime comrades.

[@DoctorSpicy]

There’s a Tyler Perry in all of us.

[@JloveLamar]

@THE GENERAL You know you'd let him inside of you when the lights go out!

[@accountclosed8569]

Nope not me...!

[@Jennymule1]

I guess this comment went over a lot of people head and that's why they will continue to be stagnant💁🏽‍♀️

[@rosemarie8580]

@@Jennymule1 MY MOM AND DAD ARE THE BEST

[@Sponsorship4u2]

So true

[@Ahsao]

I know exactly how he feels as a child not being talked to like a person instead of just having commands barked all day.

[@KrisTheCodeManDude]

Ahsao that’s how they treat us.

[@nyanzarojas8776]

Lol that apart of the territory of being a child. I think he was about verbal abuse more so than being told what to do.

[@ddcapri6209]

This is so amazing, CONGRATULATIONS Tyler Perry, our BLACK SUPERMAN

[@nigeljohn6676]

The tortured, the murdered, the denied, the separated slaves of old rejoice in Tyler's achievements

[@3220sunshine]

YES YES AND YESSSS!!!! I FELT THAT!!!

[@carollewis1356]

N jpq1 gy

[@peaceseeker9927]

"Nobody had ever talked to me like a person as a child" - Tyler Perry From an abused little boy to a living hero for so many, what an awesome story.

[@samanthasithole8847]

I cried when he spoke about his son. I am a mom now and I completely get it. We love you Tyler. ❤

[@brianthomas3249]

So funny to see everyone supporting him now. There were ton of haters in hollywood and the general public. I said that to say Tyler is the example of a person focus on building something out of life and having everyone saying it will not work. look at him now.

[@BmoreAkuma]

Well this is America. You're only "respected" once you demostrate a form of power.

[@feyiplus4500]

@@BmoreAkuma It's the same all over the world. People won't give homeless people anything, but will send nice things to people that already have enough. So weird.

[@AA-ek5kz]

Tyler is a beautiful soul, I really respect him. The way he talks about his son is so beautiful and humane.

[@JJune815]

When he spoke about his son and got all choked up, that is so incredibly heart wrenching and inspiring. He loves his child sooo much and is healing through him. Oh my goodness that is touching.

[@autumnneube7791]

I'm in tears. I'm so grateful to see Black people doing great things!! This should be inspiration for everyone!

[@Tailored_Talk]

Beautiful story from a beautiful man! May God continue to bless you Tyler (I need a tour)!!

[@avacaza7851]

When he spoke about healing as he spoke to his son. 😭❤️ That is the TRUTH!! When you decide that abuse stops at YOU. You heal with either your children or any children in your life. It's such a profound feeling.

[@zionsong4470]

I was in tears when he talked about his son. Very touching. He's a very hard worker. Success follows hard work. He is successful! Happy for him.

[@rashidmaganvevo1337]

HOLLYWOOD has left the chat😳😳😳😳

[@rosemarie8580]

HE STILL DO AS THEY SAY ,, DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

[@creativeculturez6492]

Rose Marie no, he wont. Did you watch the interview? They already don’t accept him in hollywood, he hasnt been “doing as the say” since.

[@robbetmartin3182]

@@creativeculturez6492 l.p.

[@missabyssinia2293]

Aww that broke my heart when he started talking about his childhood and his son being a healer 😭😭😭. May God bless you more!!

[@Bushwick2678]

Mr. Perry inspires us all ❤️❤️❤️ May God continue to bless and use him 🙌🏾

[@Adetokunbo03]

63 Dislikes what in this story would make you dislike a man that pulled himself up by his boot straps ...

[@michelleapple1214]

Hateful, jealous and maybe some racist folks who have nothing going on in their own lives. Miserable people feel good about themselves when they do stupid mess. He's still rich so they can keep their thumbs down...

[@janiqueunique8361]

Jealousy simple

[@humblebrown8864]

Man I’m balling listening to him speak about his son 💓

[@carolkitteral9737]

You Go Tyler Perry, So Proud Of You, And How Proud Of How Far We Have Come, Because Of You.😤

[@alexiamorrow7710]

I'm so so Happy for him!! Got me crying! Love

[@IamLibby]

Absolutely greatness the real G.O.A.T

[@ProudMommy_]

I love this man. and love all his movies and show. May God continue to bless him

[@luyandadube33]

Black excellence, love from South Africa. Thank you Sir. ✊🏾🇿🇦

[@sungodis22]

How amazing that Oprah’s Legend Ball in 2005 inspired Tyler!🤩💗💴👍🏽💰🌹💳

[@MsHotcook]

So proud of Tyler Perry a wonderful black man ,who is also giving back

[@bttv2345]

I instantly thought about his sound bite from Oprah’s Legends Ball before even knowing they included it In this segment! This is Black Excellence! I’m inspired to dream bigger!

[@asanta2023]

Mr. Perry, if you ever read my comment, I think you’re fantastic! Would love to have the honor of meeting you and have my 17 yr old son meet you. You’re such an inspiration! God bless you and your loved ones!!

[@Jules-6022]

Such a kind-hearted, humble, and blessed man you are, Mr. Tyler Perry. Hope to meet you one day and also visit your studio!

[@teeynggod2168]

This is God. He's always been in the front in Tyler's life and thats how he has remained a success.

[@cainsavage2618]

This is DETERMINATION not god. God gave him LIFE... he's solely responsible for the rest.

[@honestperson6280]

Cain Savage You're right, my friend!

[@rrogers5077]

"I went into a shell at 28..." NO MORE SOCIAL MEDIA! I really don't engage in in like most. But, you UNDERSTAND what I mean!!!!! Time to go HARDER!!!!!!!

[@Mpfumo]

On God!👍👍👍

[@srpatterson10]

Wow!!! He's overcome so much! 🙏🏾❤

[@spirituallifecoachinginsti7207]

TYLER PERRY....IS A GENIUS......GOD BLESSES HIM DAILY......LOVE HIS MADEA CHARACTER.....MOVIES PERIOD.....HE SACRIFICED SO MUCH......HE DESERVES ALL HE HAS DONE.....!!!

[@ThePeetes]

ICONIC! LEGENDARY!

[@joestrickland5153]

Congratulations God bless you!!! Thank you for your milestone and the milestone for our people!!!

[@c0l0jar0]

I really didn't know much about him before today but he is so honest and sincere talking about his feelings about his kid and his own experiences. I almost cried and I really like this guy

[@keylor512]

Wow he made me Cry. Even when not acting. I can Feel Your Pain.❤️

[@stachellesilverthorne7128]

His humility is even more mesmerizing! You go Tyler Perry! You inspire so many people to do better! 👐

[@rachf9695]

Incredible man! ♥️Tyler ♥️Hotlanta!

[@sedzidickson]

Tyler, I am watching this show in Accra- Ghana feeling so proud of you. This pride will be a driving force in my life to work hard, believe, work hard again as I try to make this part of the world a better place. Shalom.

[@AJsMOM4782]

😭 him talking about his son and disciplining him.... it was probably the most beautiful thing I’ve heard!! #healing

[@donjuanseville3039]

VERY HAPPY FOR HIM. A LEGEND.

[@2enchant]

Thumbs up if you had to hold back the tears.

[@bugsbunny7235]

I wanna cry!! Tyler Perry is extraordinary human being!! HE came from nothing!! made something!! that powerful!!

[@codorabanks]

I am so happy for Tyler for God shining that bright light on him well deserved.

[@Neftegna]

I love seeing ADOS being successful! One love from Ethiopia to all ADOS brothers and sisters 😊

[@ikexbankai]

A Rot you don’t know his family history. how do you know he’s ADOS? because he doesn’t speak with an accent? He could have just been born here. He could be first or second generation. And that’s the problem with this ADOS stuff it discounts the struggles ALL Black people have in America. Not to mention African slaves was brought all over North and South America. Actually more slaves were brought to South America than was brought to North America.

[@QueenP1974]

@@ikexbankai wow you sound bothered by A.D.O.S listen to what you said its not that confusing if your grand parents or great grands are from another country you are not A.D.O.S you act like its a problem if he is A.D.O.S no matter if you or your parents were born here

[@4194Lyfe]

selam new

[@BellaBaileyVito]

I'm so impressed by Tyler right now. This is incredible.

[@avismcgriff3465]

Tyler Perry is a phenomenal storyteller! He's a brilliantly innovative artist. I remember crying the first time (really every time) I had to reprimand my son. God also gave me a some "healers"...my nephew, niece, & son. Each of them has spiritually & lovingly enriched my life! Blessings to you, Mr. Perry!

[@cherokeeconcrete1986]

I was in YDC..Sylvania,Ga Wilderness Camp and we saw this Man bring Excitement and Church to us on Stage with the Big Wig...Respect Respect Tyler Perry

[@MANNSOUL1000]

Just an amazing human being foremost, continued blessing Tyler

[@indevibe]

This is GOOD - THIS IS REALLY GOOD.

[@chucklana161]

He's an amazing man. A history of being KIND. He makes Atlanta PROUD to have him here.

[@makiyn9375]

Hats off to that man! He deserves every bit of it!

[@esesoke]

Great person great actor his words always gives me chills

[@ravenmartinez2256]

I love love love Tyler Perry He sounds like such an amazing father!

[@themilioxperience2427]

Full support for Tyler Perry I appreciate how tranquil and humble yet bold and confident he is! Powerful! Love the story about his son and the realization that nobody spoke to him like a person as a child! Power in words bro! Heartfelt❤️

[@sianihayman2602]

when Tyler started to cry it broke me so much 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[@GodsDaughter137]

This is so awesome and inspirational and makes me want to dream again

[@djovaynoallen2124]

Good work Tyler Perry 👍💪😭😭😭

[@karebear9827]

When a child is already full of candor and then subjected to such hardships the Very same since of loving, caring, nuturing, intuative...do-right-by-others, its this very same sense of attitude tht seems to prevail within the person which is an awesome form of integral character.

[@zappah101]

Gotta say what Tyler said about how he handled his son misbehaving was awesome. I hope he has continued success, he deserves it.

[@tomshady1252]

"If you build it they will come"

[@DoiTBiG911]

Thank you Tyler for being #BlackExcellence and MY and many others inspirations❤️✊🏾

[@azemazigilles6230]

I cried too on the 59th minute 😢.. That was so touchy

[@roseianalm5462]

Tyler Perry's journey to success is The most inspiring truly bcoz with all the obstacles he faced he did not get defeated and the fighter the hard worker in him stayed throughout and he is such a humble spirit and a role model and coach for dreamers like myself. It would be the greatest career achievement to work in one of his projects bcoz Mr Tyler Perry doesn't just take you and make profit but he helps you grow as an actor or actress and mostly he understands what it's like to try to enter doors that don't open for you regardless of how hard you work. God bless him for opening his doors for new talents and helping folks put bread on the table.

[@jeanlobelobe6419]

This just made me get up and go out to continue pushing towards my dreams. Tyler Perry 💪🏾

[@auspiciousj]

Our ancestors are truly proud!! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿❤❤❤

[@rosemarie8580]

DO U REALLY THINK JESUS, HARRIET TUBMAN , OR MALCOM X CARE ABOUT A STUDIO.

[@auspiciousj]

@@rosemarie8580 It's always one that won't understand and thats fine. This statement is intended for those who know where I'm coming from.

[@rosemarie8580]

@@auspiciousj baby girl i know where u coming from .. I'll ancestors were murdered for just living. Stop living in a fairytale.

[@winthermcdonald2721]

This Interview was BEAUTIFUL!! I actually started to cry!!!! How amazing! ♥️

[@djflexxy]

Every disappointed is blessing . This is a cornerstone story . Amazing story

[@anthonyreid2864]

When he said, no one ever talked to him as a person, that just open them onions, man, cooking with onions are no easy😪😪

[@nicolebrit33]

I want to see more BLACK everything!

[@lotto5742]

No. We need to see more luxurious beautiful white women.

[@nicolebrit33]

We have a black network ( OWN) and black studios 🤗

[@minivanlinda1762]

@@nicolebrit33 We want more sexy white women.

[@dertythegrower]

Exactly.. veiled racists want to see more veiled racist... i bet you are so shallow of a thinker in that sense you have also fallen for the veiled ways of Al Sharpton and his new way to make money by selling black books, literally

[@AfricanGirl]

wow, I gotta give this man respect God bless him! I now have understand him n his works

[@matchingbirthdays4happiness]

Key to success “Work like you’re broke, but it helps if you’re actually broke” Tyler & Matt. I can relate and I’m still broke. 😂But I love Tyler’s story. 😀💕💕

[@JP-lm3ru]

😎 God bless you Tyler Perry❤ thanks for all the good laughs and joy you brought me❤💯🔥 Keep going higher Brother👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾✊🏾

[@gokaren420]

BLESSED AND HIGHLY FAVORED

[@jjjtanai]

Hollywood May ignore Tyler Perry but this man was apart of my childhood every step of the way and for that I’m forever grateful for all the laughs and amazing moments. Im gonna be a film student in college come July and this motivates me to work under Tyler Perry ❤️

[@jackwritter1302]

And I realized that no one had ever talked to me like a person as a child.. . Preach!!