What is ita and why does it matter LWLN 08 07 2023

[@karo4919]

I definitely agree with you that the lolita community maintaining a level of quality is important, I honestly think its something that should be more valued by all fashion communities. Lolitas dont buy new pieces on a whim, they put though and effort into acquiring their clothing, and they treasure and maintain the pieces so they last for a long time. in a better world all consumers would treat their clothing this way, but with the current trend that is fast fashion the idea of treasuring and caring for your wardrobe seems to have completely disappeared

[@violetbitch9492]

Kinda hard to spread this ideology when capitalism and consumerism is so widespread and brainwashes people into following a new trend every 3 days

[@biguattipoptropica]

For Angelic Pretty: A lot of brands have tried to increase their output (in more subtle ways) to keep up with fast fashion and ultra fast fashion. That means designs are faster and simplified, and no one has time for the quality checks you need at each step of the process to make sure it looks good. EDIT: Also, clothing companies are scared of raising prices so they’re applying shrinkflation (that is, lower quality) to clothing.

[@FrillyDisaster]

This is a pretty shitty excuse for why angelic pretty’s quality has gone down. Almost everything AP makes sells out so it’s not like they should be afraid to mark up the price, I’m sure angelic pretty has seen how much there 2009 dresses have sold for simply because of being made of burberry and having a cute design. Angelic pretty is just moving to styles more popular in japan right now and marking down the price to keep up with more popular brands in Japan.

[@pettybetty9723]

I don't understand why so many people are "hey I find lolita and love that it's high quality dresses and I get that they are pricey....so I want to buy cheap Amazon crap and I want everyone to accept that" Wear what you want just don't call it something it's not. Also pushing fast fashion low quality options directly hurts the lolita community and we've already seen brands closing

[@nyaamix138]

At this point in my life of wearing lolita for almost 25 years the whole ita thing does not bother me very much anymore. I feel like the majority of people buying things that would be considered ita are very young, with little experience or money and that it's kind of a right of passage. Everyone starts somewhere, learns to coord better and curate their own personal style. Of course giving advice and sharing resources is always helpful for new lolitas but when you're just starting out it's understandable to be excited and not get how these particular clothes are not up to standard. if someone really cares about lolita and wants to continue with it for the long term, ita is just a stage.

[@rawvegankid]

In terms of fashion, style, etc, wear whatever you want, no one cares. In terms of participating in a community, i.e. Lolita, you need to follow standards of quality and standards that maintain the integrity of the community. Being a Lolita means being part of something larger than yourself, which requires respecting other people.

[@tamahoshio]

Dude that rufflechat thread hurt my brain, why did so many people like that thing 😭

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

It honestly looks like a Milanoo dress.

[@TheDivineMsM245]

Hmm, you’d be surprised by the lack of taste people have who are willing to display it in public. 😂😂😂

[@tamahoshio]

@@TheDivineMsM245 honestly I have seen so much and yet i remain mystified by the lack of embarrassment

[@yumeironeko]

All they saw was a picture. If you don't look closely, on the surface it is a design that appeals to people who admire elements of historical styles in theory but not practice. For instance, I bet that dress would be amazing illustrated in a manga. I can see a character in Black Butler wearing something like that and looking fabulous. I don't know if it has to do with "good taste," which is subjective, so much as practicality. That type of froufrou over-the-top costumey stuff is exactly to my "taste" but I would never wear it as an actual outfit. A photoshoot, yes, absolutely.

[@tamahoshio]

@@yumeironeko fair enough, it is definitely a design that'd fit in much better with some gothy 2000s manga art, and with the right editing could possibly look right as cosplay of said art. However given the context of lolita fashion, it is absolutely not it.

[@catherineleslie-faye4302]

I'm over 62 an not yet in a nursing home... I would rather pick up old sheets at a thrift store and make gowns from them then buy a dress made with tacky fabrics even if it is AP and not ita.

[@ChyocoLaytte]

You are such an icon, will think about this comment DAILY from now on 😂❤

[@catherineleslie-faye4302]

@@ChyocoLaytte I'm not sure how I got icon status... but I will take it as a compliment. I simply find nice pieces at the thrift store and don't want them to go to waste!

[@ChyocoLaytte]

@@catherineleslie-faye4302 its 100% a complement! I really like your idea!

[@imjustdandy9799]

As a cartoonist, Comic Toys is a good idea with poor execution, and its a shame. The low contrast, the small panel size, disappointing.

[@coletteb.8889]

Right?? It could have been so cute if only you could see it without zooming all the way in! Also if the torso wasn't literally a rectangle. It's going to look so wrinkly on a human body that's naturally not a rectangle

[@tsunaida]

Even just making the colors brighter would have improved it immensely for me

[@thebingus7243]

I think another important factor of why being an ita is bad is also to look out for the ita themself. since these pieces are so cheap but yet often expensive, they can leave a bad taste in the wearer's eyes. lolita can be expensive especially for a begginer who has to start building a wardribe from scratch, and saving up all that just for it to be bad quality sucks. i do think its ultimately a rite of passage, we all buy low quality stuff at some point due to our lack of knowledge (mine were awful amazon shoes). but i do think these warnings are important for begginers so they actually get value out of their pieces.

[@valentinevintel9814]

Mine was a second-hand mass produced dress I bought for almost $50 😂 I ended up wearing it as pyjamas...

[@courtneycherry5582]

I bought a full Alice in wonderland costume and wore that before I found Tyler 😂 lolita boot camp saved me.

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

This year's AP Halloween print is so going in my closet. Last year's I was iffy on until I actually had it in my hands, but this year, it's a need. But yeah, people like to get indignant whenever we pick their outfits apart and offer advice and then scream at us for gatekeeping, but gatekeeping and critique is what keeps this fashion true to what it is and not some watered-down corporate bullshit like goth and punk have become. These dresses are works of art and we should at least make them look good.

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

I agree with you but "we pick their outfits apart" sounds way more dramatic than it is irl. The online comm is pretty gentle these days, every group has clear rules about concrit so people who wish to avoid it can avoid it unless someone breaks the rules or visits them on their private social media and gives unsolicited concrit there. Both are increasingly rare. A lot of people who do ask for concrit rarely get it. Some groups have turned into hugboxes and died because of it. Some groups are slowly turning into hugboxes and the group culture is already making it awkward to give concrit when the poster asks. I would not mind if we turned back the clock a little and concrit became default in all spaces again, people can still opt out by saying they don't want any. I think this would slow down or prevent the hugboxification of some spaces. And we definitely need to gatekeep more. Too many creeps (people in our spaces for the wrong reasons) these days and moderators are more hesitant to moderate their groups because of growing concerns of how that will look, and what if they're wrong (some fictional scenario where the guy who looks like a fetishist predator actually isn't), possible consequences if the fictional scenario comes to pass. Also the surge of people who get their info from tiktok, then want to get into more regulated lolita spaces but come in with a "lolita fashion is whatever I think it is" attitude, and demand to be spoonfed on the spot and even giving a link to a guide isn't good enough anymore. Give me a time machine, I'm going back to the LJ days.

[@SLYKM]

​@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118it does sound bad to accidentally assume someone is being a fetishist instead of trans, tho I'm sure there are ways to ban people once they become fetish-y, no? Like that's why certain rules would exist.

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

​@@SLYKM if a non f3tishist was assumed to be one it would be bad for all parties involved, it would be a scandal and the whole english speaking online lolita community would hear about it. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. What we've seen up to now is that some moderators want to give the benefit of the doubt and let the duck in, because they fear that if they are wrong it will be bad for all parties. What we've seen happen though is that after we let the duck in they will either do something seggs/k1nk related without trying to hide it because they think lolita spaces are k1nk friendly or they simply couldn't contain themselves, or they kind of play the long game trying to hide the fact that they are a duck and do things here and there where they think it will not be noticed. For example in private/dms/irl conversations do and say inappropriate things that can be dismissed (by someone who doesn't want to see the bad in them) as misunderstandings, socially awkward behavior or mixed signals/mixed messages. Most of the time though the duck will have a profile or content elsewhere on the web where they are an open and proud duck, saying "I'm a duck and I'm into duck things". Or, and this is not uncommon, they will have been kicked out of another lolita space for doing duck things. Because this is so common it's not actually a huge scandal and doesn't always reach other comms. The thing is though, I do not think we should wait until the ducks in our comms do duck things in order to kick them out. Because then the damage is already done. Easy solution; if there is any doubt a duck is actually a duck search for the applying duck's other profiles and content online. Look at what other groups the duck is in, it's usually a group related to doing duck things. Then refuse them entry. No more of this "benefit of the doubt" nonsense, it only has ever ended badly one way or another.

[@Teddy.Terrible]

@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 Oh are you talking about the guy on r/lolita who posts his coords and isn't banned despite being openly a sissy kinkster on the same profile? He's primarily why I do not use r/lolita.

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

@@Teddy.Terrible Definitely about that guy and multiple guys who are similar to him on r/lolita, and also about guys like him in the fb and discord groups. I hate the r/lolita rule that considers "searching someone's post history in other subs in order to vilify them." harassment because of the way it has been implemented by one or more mods. People have submitted reports to r/lolita mods saying "this guy posts his outfits to these f3tish subreddits, he shouldn't be in r/lolita" and they've been banned by the mods for getting their evidence from the guy's post history. One (or more) of the r/lolita mods obviously don't mind having f3tishists in the subreddit. There's been talk for a few years that the mods are sissy f3tishists themselves. The more people I hear who are banned from the subreddit for simply wanting it to be a space free from f3tishists, the more I become convinced that the rumors are true.

[@Joohorn]

Hi Tyler, please say something akin to "wheelchair user" rather than "wheelchair bound". While wheelchair is a mobility aid that gives people more freedom and independence, saying "wheelchair bound" makes it sound like a bad thing and like the wheelchair itself is a problem, and overall sounds a lot more negative. No hard feelings, it's a common mistake often done without any malice. I hope my explanation was sufficient

[@pussydestroyer-wm2tn]

i never knew this, thank you!

[@soulcstudios]

+1

[@WitchKat]

You better believe im going to wear all the tacky Halloween prints now GIVE ME-!

[@lilyofthevaIIey]

Tyler, lovingly, you can just say fuck. It's OK. I support you. 💖

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

KZbin won't allow it.

[@laerwen]

Unfortunately, the algorithm will not :(

[@Ayum8PigeonAnal]

I miss old KZbin :(

[@TheDevilChrno]

>implying a sweet lolita would even want to get the one up on a gothic one. We gothic ones are out there protecting our sweet and classic sibs. 😊 Gotta put those chunky boot stomping skills to use.

[@vcutler4735]

You don't have to stop making jokes about Classic lolitas being grandmas because I am an old lady in this comm (30s) and you are right I love classic and VM.

[@AmazingRoni]

as an 18 year old who has been interested in the fashion for 6 years and only recently started actively participating in my local comm - you most certainly are not an old lady. HOWEVER, if you give off grandma vibes i'd assume that the younger lolitas probably just flock to you because you make them feel comfortable in an unfamiliar environment. i know i would lol

[@vcutler4735]

@@AmazingRoni Oh I am not actually ancient but there's a lot of young folks in the hobby. And I certainly hope that the youngins see the grandma couch and go "ah yeah that's gotta be nice if nothing else she probs has those strawberry candies"

[@StrawberryMad6]

Heehee yes achievement unlocked, "frilly grandmother" (although very childless)

[@vcutler4735]

@@StrawberryMad6 cats count as grandkids in my book. Or usakumiyas

[@StrawberryMad6]

@@vcutler4735 aw yes, dogs children, cats grandchildren, plants pets, how could I have forgotten 😁🐕🐈‍⬛🪴

[@ninjakiwigames5418]

9:43 When you first brought up this dress I was confused since I find it really pretty, but now I understand that this isn't just about how the dress looks, but more about the quality. Also the more I look at it I can see how low quality it is. Anyhow I still love the design, just maybe differently made with different materials?

[@greatjob_barbara]

you get that 90's sweater bear dress!

[@sapphireseptember]

Bloody hell I've missed you! I've just laughed all the way through. Not a lolita, more of a Goth, but I've been watching your vids for years, and I love your humour. 🖤

[@aexious]

You should see her in goth fashion

[@sapphireseptember]

@@aexious I have, I've seen Tyler's earlier videos! They were hilarious too! (The phrase 'horizontal disco dancing' is from one of them, and it's stuck with me. 😁 )

[@rose_sylveon5675]

This makes me feel better about my casual coords, at least I don’t look like this (the ita, not you, your coord is rlly pretty)

[@breathedarlingokay]

3:42 i need it. u withholding the name of this upcoming print shall not stop me!!!! 😭😭😭

[@stonersiren]

never watched this channel before but i'm like 1 minute in and loving how savage you are lmao

[@Z.A.M.1359]

That blooper at the end is pure gold! X"D

[@PoisonBear-ms7oq]

i definitely had the ita dress in barney purple satin when i first started out

[@danemeow8]

I actually really love that pistachio and honey color AP dress haha, the combo reminds me of something retro. Maybe 60s-70s? Or possibly 50s.

[@munafruit]

yeah i like that colourway too, agree there's a kind of 60s/70s vibe

[@LucasBurrell]

It does look kinda drab on product photos, but also ap colour accuracy on photos is wack as fuck anyway - photos from models make the colour look gorgeous and definitely a lot less muddy.

[@donotperceiveme6198]

the way I immediately paused and opened a tab to SLEEPYLAND to put a deposit on Starlit Apothecary 😂 I'm frothing over this dress aaaaa

[@nayrainbowsparkle]

You really suit the blond, so nice to see you post 🩷

[@jokerrfox354]

Bruh I JUST bought AP comic toys as my first AP dress I cannot have you do this to me 😭😂

[@Artemiswitchcosplay]

Not the it’s 10am and somebody done fucked up 😂😂

[@Hereloveblooms]

I love all your uploads, they always manage to put a smile on my face in some way!

[@funfettiparty]

AAAA! That sweater pattern dress is sooooo cute!!!

[@smegellimes]

Rozen maiden did have a brand collab with Innocent world to be fair, I actually own a dress said collab

[@Luvly_but_deadly]

Omfg i noticed the lace right away and im only 3 years in to my lolita journey.. 🤦🏼‍♀️ 100% Im starting a punk lolita channel cause if some lolitas think thats ok. It scares me. Like that lace how could u miss that... I even find cheaper taobao that looks amazing but that. 😅 like Id gladly sell a kindey for a AP halloween and worry about not fiting. Then buy that. Ive been cut in armpits cause of arms like that. Just no.

[@danemeow8]

Please start a punk Lolita channel! Come back here and drop the name if you do!

[@Luvly_but_deadly]

@@danemeow8 luvlybutdeadly on most of my socials. But first im making a funny video for the communtiy. Itll take a while but Its what we need more right now. I wanna do it as my introduction to the video community cause they do so much for us.

[@HagiaFantasia]

We're due for a new Tyler Willis wardrobe tour 🌞

[@jabberw0cky13]

i cannot believe AP got me back with Honey Bear's Cafe, re-igniting my desire to get into another blood bath like the one i did for honey cake

[@IceQueen975]

Lolita is not for everyone. I said what I said. Anyone can love it. Anyone can admire it. Anyone has the potential to wear it. But if you cannot keep the silhouette, the high quality? It's not for you.

[@courtneycherry5582]

I like looking at it this way, it's a hobby. Finding the dresses and getting inspiration, working hard for money, getting the dress itself, planning the cord, trail and error unit you have something you're satisfied with and then making improvements and modifications as your style progresses. It's art and the end result is beautiful.

[@PristinePanda]

i love comic toys and i am hoping it DOES go on discount so i can finally buy it lmao

[@Nahsaghara]

That last dress is such a mess omg. I legit went 'oh NO' out loud XD

[@armoredanteater609]

I am in no way fashionable, but I find LWLN really interesting and entertaining

[@SweetestSweden]

Resident MetaStan here, laughing in Your Magic Wand all the way to the edge of the cliff we're all dancing precariously towards- Nah but seriously though, that looks like a baby's Joann's coupon jsk. Given the range of stuff they've been putting out recently, perhaps they just exhausted themselves after their millionth tiered ruffle. It's been mid-tier to hit all spring and summer. They had to swing and miss at some point.

[@SwimmingInSunlight]

Meta's returning to it's quality lottery self, nature is healing ~❤️

[@SweetestSweden]

@@SwimmingInSunlight LMFAO 😆 It wouldn't be Meta if it didn't backhand your expectations every once in a while!

[@shanicestella2226]

Unpopular Opinion : Sometimes Rufflechat Over-criticallity can be bit too much

[@xilanda]

I really like the eye make-up!

[@VictorianMaid99]

I so love your vidoes !

[@adam-l74]

❤Gorgeous❤

[@daniellerodriguez4079]

Ap is making a comeback i love these prints 😂

[@blackrosebud2331]

The first thought that went through my head when I saw that dress in ruffle chat the black and red one is I could make a better version of that so I might cause like I feel like with good quality material and proper sewing skill it could look really nice Like also it would have to be longer obviously to, but like the shape of it could be nice, am I delusional??

[@reginene]

Blonde hair looks so good on you!

[@cheesecakeprincess9228]

Best end.

[@chickennuggets1384]

I saw a post of some girl combining lolita dresses and fetish gear...and im just, "no, absolutely not. disgusting" people can do whatever they want with their clothes, but if you're gonna wear a lolita dress and combine it with something like FETISH GEAR, then dont fracking call it "lolita fashion" cause at that point you're just promoting a fetish

[@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3]

Why do you think fetishes are bad? This stinks of puritan.

[@-_-0.0-_-]

I love your videos although I'm not very well versed in lolita fashion. Hearing you roast/critique prints is always interesting to me because - I have to admit - I see prints that to me look very similar (pink, froofy, whimsical) and hear that one is obviously inferior to the other. Like with the comic toys print - is it not good just because it's too busy? or is it because nothing breaks up the busyness, like solid panels of colors elsewhere. Or is it the nature of the art itself (the comic book paneling being antithesis to the style/print too washed out looking/characters in comic looking bland). I don't like the neckline of it, but that's all I really noticed. I liked the breakdown of ita since it gave me more insight into why certain things are considered not great in the community.

[@littlehellxo]

fracking

[@carolinarico-juarez7430]

Glomp! :3

[@rickybaumgartner5635]

great

[@tamahoshio]

Also great video btw!

[@Grace-ms7un]

Crimes against my corneas!!!!

[@imisaiahshaver]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@liabowden8526]

To me, the little ruffles on the skirt make me feel like AI designed it.

[@hannastar6378]

Fave new source

[@gurke1272]

Woohoo, LWLN is back! BANZAIIII! 🎉🎉🎉💃💃💃 I'm happy you're continuing this series.❤️ On another note I find bold colourful eye make up works very well with such vibrant outfits. Go big or go home. For such a look you'd usually want to go a bit easier on the eyebrows, less volume and a lighter coloured pencil.

[@StupidPrizesPosterChild]

What is Ita? See Lovely Lor and her rampage of cult followers.

[@_kaleido]

what’s wrong with Lovely lor?

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

@@_kaleido A lot.

[@_kaleido]

@@GirtheAlienGoldfish that doesn't tell me a lot tbh, I thought Lor and Tyler were friends anyway?

[@gabukomitsukiva]

It must be illegal to be this early 😂

[@misariumchan9448]

🎉🎉🎉

[@angrymonkie]

So, "Lolita" doesn't refer to the book that shall not be mentioned, it just means "LOL, it hurts"? It all makes sense now! 😂

[@pinkystores9451]

Lovely Lor is the definition of Ita.

[@adrianapazos276]

Tyler, that blouse and that jsk are frankly too tight on you

[@kas8ia]

I don't know why i got put on this side of youtube but it feels like an alt dimension

[@TheGuroLOLITA]

Bruh you are ita

[@triplehearts914]

Tyler is the opposite of an Ita, Did you see her coording video?? It's okay to not like her but I feel like calling her an Ita is unfair lol

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

Her coords are fine.

[@reginene]

no❤️