Types of Army discharges

There are several different types of discharges in the Army that a soldier could receive. In this video ill tell you about these different discharges and give some examples as to how a soldier could get that discharge from the Army.
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[@christopherchaos]

A little bit of clarification based on some questions I’ve received..... an officer can get demoted but that will also follow with them being kicked out of the Army. I just mean you will not have an officer get demoted and still be in talking about how they use to be a higher rank. Also if an officer gets kicked out it is not always a dismissal notice. They can get kicked out and still receive an honorable discharge. Sorry that area was not more specific. Was really just trying to quickly touch on that part but instead it also left some people misunderstanding how it works for officers.

[@dougtheeliminator1077]

I think we had a "self-appointed Army expert" in basic training who told us the story of a Major who received a court martial and was busted down to PFC. Another great tale.

[@stephenbritton9297]

retired at the next rank down, usually. What happens when a 1 star gets caught playing Bill and Monica with his female O-3 adjutant...

[@treycollins9222]

Officers can also resign their commission if memory serves correctly

[@316scout]

Newly appointed Officers from OCD can be knocked back down to their previous enlisted rank if they fail to perform well in their first tour of duty.

[@21Bunney]

What would happen if an officer refused to complete a mission during deployment?

[@artfulmortician5654]

I received an ELS from the Army about three years ago, my drill sgt at the time told me quote : "You're a smart kid private, maybe this branch just isn't for you, I think you should join the Coast Guard." Three years later I passed the second hardest boot camp in the United States Military, and Im much happier than I was back then.. Just goes to show that a ELS is not the end of the world and doesnt mean you are a bad person.

[@domrobards5276]

Artful Mortician I got an ELS in the Air Force. I was a Spec Ops candidate and got hurt in the indoc course. I’m now joining the army and ship as a 11x with option 4& 40 in January . You’re right an ELS this s not the end of the world, and maybe your first initial branch isn’t always right for you. Thanks for sharing.

[@chrismc410]

I agree. My best friend was ELS from the Marine Corps and he later got into the Army and served 15 years with distinction until he was medically retired due to his knees. An ELS definitely is not the end of the world.

[@Hsutheguard]

I am currently in my long process to go back to Army, I got a ELS too

[@PottersVideos2]

Which boot camp was that?

[@zachcraig9340]

The coast guard isn’t the 2nd hardest PFT

[@floriotj]

I was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army in 1976. Many of the men I served with were given General Discharges. This timeframe was shortly after the end of Vietnam. The civilian world hated us. There were very few places you could go in public without people ridiculing you. We were easy to spot because every civilian it seemed had long hair. Not a good time to be in the military. It seemed to me at the time even the military wanted to punish us for Vietnam. A guy would finish his contract (the last draftees were discharged on Thanksgiving 1974) and he'd be informed he was going to get a General Discharge instead of a Honorable Discharge. I kept in touch with a few friends from the service who received General Discharges. Most appealed their General Discharges and received Honorable Discharges. I'm sure glad things have changed for service members.

[@dogsareme100]

@S SN QN nope people were so opposed to the war that servicemembers were hated ( I am not old enough to remember but have heard about it. Which is both sad and ironic as just a generation earlier ( World War II) they were and still are considered the greatest generation.

[@stinky_puppet5158]

sleepercell try being colored and never getting the medals you deserved. What happened to you was nothing. Vietnam was a war we shouldn’t have been in. We gained nothing from that and it still ended up communist.

[@floriotj]

​@@stinky_puppet5158I couldn't agree more!!

[@dennisholiday1868]

Man if you was in The Army in West Germany in The 1970s they were given people Chapter 10 UD Discharges like candy. You was lucky if you got a General. You had to take that or a court martial trial.

[@sth02]

It's ridiculous to me that the populous hated the service people who had nothing to do with the war. Like it was their fault the govt chose to get involved in Vietnam.

[@harveynichols9286]

I keep copies of my DD214 and my DD256A at my house. My original documents are locked up in a safe deposit box at my bank. It was great to meet you in Dallas. Thanks.

[@evilload]

Doesn't hurt to have a copy certified and kept on file with your county too.

[@TheLAGopher]

@@evilload That's what I did. I filed a copy of my DD-214, Birth Certificate and my out of state marriage license with the county.

[@jammer3618]

Back in the vietnam era many combat vets got "bad paper" discharges because they could not adapt to base life stateside. Sad because they had served with honor under enemy fire. PTSD was not yet in the vocab.

[@aztecwarrior4309]

Dobt believe it . they refuse to serve in combat or refuse to follow orders. I meant a lot of them.

[@KiLLED5639]

Shell shock was in the vocab though. Don't be fooled, they knew damn well what was wrong with the vets.

[@jammer3618]

@@KiLLED5639 Not really. That's more a WW1 term. Combat fatigue was around but rest was supposed to cure that. Are you a vet?

[@jammer3618]

@old Goat Hard to figure what you are trying to say. Clearly you were not there.

[@jammer3618]

@old Goat may I ask what war and what unit?

[@GoArmy87]

Not meeting weight requirements is a chapter 18, it's a honorable discharge.

[@halomanXP]

That's my case for being 11 pounds over for about a year.

[@peterhawkfan]

Hell, chapter 13 (pt failure) most of the time will be an honorable.

[@rileyandrews2098]

I was over weight for a year never passed a single pt test only did 6 months of drill this year haven't gone to the range or AT and I'm still in

[@psgchisolm]

@@peterhawkfan Most of the time. I was that 1/100 that got a General UHC. I already did my first enlistment though so I got my GI Bill anyway.

[@eyesaregatewaystothesoul3875]

Dewayne Hooker exactly lol

[@theromanorder]

0:35 honorable discharge 1:57 entry level discharge 3:06 general discharge 5:02 administrative (bad ones) 6:00 bad conduct 6:40 dishonorable discharge 7:51 officers 8:44 contesting your discharge

[@zoy13]

Awesome

[@Narutoex0]

I got chapter out of the army for weight...two years later, I got back in shape and I re-enlist. Goes to show if you put effort the army will give you another chance.

[@Kid2loW]

What does chapter mean

[@brandonb1681]

While I was in the Army in 96, a fellow soldier won 18 million in local state lottery. He was given a General discharge pretty quick. They called it a conflict of interest. I never understood that. He was a good soldier.

[@EnabIing]

Still had a shit ton of money

[@TheBabyDerp]

man if i won 18 million i wouldn't give a single fuck about the discharge as long as im not going to jail 😂

[@PaulRudd1941]

That's 36 million dollars today. Enough money to make Colonels and Generals *Very* jealous. I'll bet good money that it was partially out of spite and partially out of fear of bribery. Screw the USM anyway.

[@Tony01013]

I had a discharge, but it was yellow and gooey, definitely not honorable.

[@Lead333]

Lol

[@phase1342]

yooo..I so needed that laugh man. thanks for that

[@criss719]

I’m usually the one who comes up with some kind of smart ass, perverted response, but, bro, you is da shit! That was the very best come back in the world. However, just the visual on that made me loose any desire to have sex for the next few days. Hell, I don’t even want to beat my meat now!

[@donjuan4230]

Outta your butt

[@retard9896]

Sounds like the clap.

[@zackslocomb8364]

I always just thought there was 2 discharges

[@calorasimotenenenius9248]

So, you thought the only discharges were Honorable and Dishonorable?

[@zackslocomb8364]

@@calorasimotenenenius9248 yes to be honest

[@Tycehibbard]

William Jiménez Liscano STFU ioi ufc

[@rjmunoz729]

Same

[@travisg9294]

MED-200, MED-40. MED 40 EQUALS MONEY!

[@AMileFromTheMoon]

I just wanna say thank you for this great content. I have been learning and have learned a lot about the military through your videos. Keep up the great work!

[@BlackBear15909]

SSG/ E-6, with an honorable. Just as I did in my LE career with documents, I put my DD-214, certificates, paperwork and awards in a thick ring binder with plastic document covers. All my earned ranks, ribbons, medals, challenge coins, etc., are in a small chest. I keep a copy of my DD-214 on the road with me....just in case I need it.

[@Gunfox61]

I got medically retired after 12 years in the Army due to combat wounds. I keep my DD 214.

[@MrGaryg20047]

You can reenlist back into the Army with a General Discharge under Honorable Conditions but you have to wait for 2 years and the recruiter has to get a waiver

[@KiLLED5639]

I have a medical discharge under honorable conditions. I'm medically retired. If I wanted to go back in, I'd have to go through a medical board again just to even be cleared to go to MEPS.

[@coppertopv365]

I shouldve went back and switched to reserves but I was gas lighted when I left, and I was moving on with my life. But I would recommend if you get out and you can go back in, think on it.

[@marcoe1722]

Also depends on RE code. But yea at end of day requires a waiver

[@68W343]

Chris, all your vids are very well made and appreciate all the info they provide.

[@SuperWagner23]

On point as always Sgt. Chaos.

[@jaymoneydfg]

I applaud every citizen who decided to make the ultimate sacrifice by volunteering to serve. Once you sign your name on that dotted line (which occurs multiple times before you even ship out to BCT) you’re considered by DOD a veteran, whether you served 2 months or 20 years. Your discharge type is based upon your choices & actions.

[@zacklangley951]

Officers can also receive a GOMOR, or General Officer's Memorandum of Reprimand, which for officers is usually a career halting reprimand, typically preventing an officer from promoting into a higher position. Enlisted can also receive these, and in my experience, they're much less career ending for Enlisted soldiers. Though I can only speak from personal experience, not the Army at large.

[@VGMRMissCoriel]

I spent 6 good years in the ARMY. I watched as people got dishonorable discharges left and right for being foolish. When I was given my Honorable Discharge, I was surrounded by people who were high on bath salts and spice. All I had to do was try not to be a bad soldier.... I DEFINITELY wasn't perfect.. but I made it out just fine. I had some hard times but when I look back at it.. all I can see were great deployments, fun FTX stories, and a selection of people who brought back my faith in humanity. Some people are just impulsive and find themselves doing something they shouldn't of done... Like getting drunk and breaking into the unit's Motorpool, stealing a HUMMV and then crashing it into the gates and leaving it there (This actually happened). My suggestion for those who are just joining: Do what you like to do but in moderation.. you don't want to make a mistake that makes your only job opportunity working at McDonald's for minimum wage. Put your dog tags in your shirt, check yourself and think about your actions before you go out there.

[@xochiltepetzalailhuicamina2322]

My Drill sergeant in Basic gave me the best advice, "Private, the Army is too easy just do what the fuck your told." Some other phrases I picked up along the way "Right place, Right time, Right Uniform." "Don't do stupid shit!" And now Im a Medically Retired NCO with 3 college degrees, and no student debt.

[@Tits_Money]

Rock on man keep bringing great content and thank you for your service.

[@michaelquinn1392]

I have so much respect for this man just for the fact that he can say shit like, “it’s definitely not as good as an honourable discharge,” without smirking or laughing at himself each time.

[@philipshearer5286]

I don't understand

[@revracentertainment3004]

Fun story about how easy it is to get a honorable discharge. I was in the marines in a 5 year contract. I had insomnia issues that got me a njp for being late, I was diagnosed with insomnia issues afterwords so that was not considered but if i was diagnosed i probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble or could've fought it. Then i was sent on temporary duty and on the last day i ot drunk after work and was drunk waking up and couldnt drive back. I was held there for another day, thank god for that unit for actually looking out for their marines even though i wasn't part of their unit. I got another njp for being drunk on duty when i got back to my old squadron. That all happened the last year of my contract. I still got out with a honorable discharge. Im not saying this to downplay a honorable discharge but to not put pressure on current or inspiring soldiers airmen sailors coast guard members, cant for the life of me remember what they are called but they still deserve their respect, not to be disuaded by how strict it is. Yes it is strict, but formal punishment is not as common as it seems and as long as you are a descent human being you'll be fine. Also if something seems off or seems to be causing issues, seek medical or therapeutic issue as soon as possible. It is free and may save you some time headache and money in the future. All commands should let you go to medical and therapy if you request, no questions asked. If they dont go tobthe higher person in your command. If that person diesn't resolve it continue to the next step in your chain of command until it gets resolved.

[@daviddarden1915]

Many thanks on this great information currently I have my oldest son in the US Marines, second oldest son is US Army, my daughter plans on joining US Navy and me, US Air Force veteran. Thank you for this great knowledge. By the way I keep my honorable discharge DD-214 wrapped up in a plastic bag sealed tight. Glad now, they have the Veterans Administration identification cards for honorable discharge military veterans. Proud to carry that all the time. From US American Air Force Security Police Military Veteran,

[@syedqamerulzaman6913]

I love the way you explained army discharge. Thank you

[@yourefatandlazy]

if you didn't pass basic training dont call yourself a vet.

[@JD-xm3mg]

If you didn't deploy as a 11b don't call yourself a vet

[@larrybond5258]

Josh Doucette 11b Queen of battle

[@JD-xm3mg]

Air assault!!!!

[@StrainXv]

@@JD-xm3mg What about DOC? I had to stare at your butt holes out on deployments.

[@peppertalks6948]

If you don’t have a DVM degree, don’t call yourself a vet.

[@davonjones1564]

Christopher Chaos, thank you for the helpful information. Preparing, for MEPS from Lancaster California, to Los Angeles hoping to become apart of. Your, (my) country and the United States Army Calvary Scout. Dishonorable discharge, immediately crossed my mind and everything; comprehended about failing. The Army, was a disappointment I did not want to burden. Or, even asking my recruiter Staff Sergeant Crofford. Was, a privilege I have not yet known of.

[@jimmieburleigh9549]

I liked this one. Always had questions about it. Now with that said it's about time I see you wear a cap right.. Lol

[@wherecar54]

We didn’t have ELS when I was in the service we had the TDP which was the trainee discharge program, but here’s the thing, if you got discharged before the 180 days then you may not qualify for benefits but after you would and have VA status.

[@KiLLED5639]

The OTH discharges with "Personality Disorder" has ruined many a service member's careers. I'm glad they turned it around and gave the service members a choice of leaving instead of involuntary discharges.

[@iamyor1504]

Can u receive an honorable discharge with a personality disorder resulting in medical sep under administration

[@KiLLED5639]

@@iamyor1504 Thanks for asking me the question. Usually, admin separations won't be honorable discharges because you often times leaving the service before you finish your contract. I'm not an expert in military discharges, but I think in this case you'll probably want a lawyer to help you figure out if you can upgrade your discharge after you're out of the service, or if you're still in the service, talk to a lawyer so you can get the best discharge possible. A General Discharge under Honorable Conditions would be the best case scenario because you'll still be able to receive VA benefits. I don't know your full situation and like I said, I'm not an expert but if you're serious about changing your military discharge, you'll need a lawyer. One that mainly deals with this kind of stuff. Also, I think if you have your PD treatment documented while you were in the service, you may be eligible to get a VA therapist for further treatment. Even if you don't go the lawyer route (because they cost a lot), check with your local VA to see if they can get you a therapist if you're looking for one. Good luck friend.

[@andrewholsapple407]

Perfectly clear video and in good detail thank you

[@shawbrickproductions7904]

Im not gonna claim I was in the Marines, however I did receive a ELS discharge while at bootcamp due to my high arches in my feet cracking after dropping off the O Course and no longer being able to perform required tasks. I was so devestated by it and being forced to leave that I started drinking really heavily once I came home, i got made fun of after I got back even though I had no say in my departure from the Marines. I didn’t want to leave yet I get treated pretty bad.

[@sfcretired1166]

Been retired since 1991, so don't know if it's any different now, but I've seen enlisted soldiers court-martialled, reduced to Pvt E-1, sentenced to time in prison and a Dishonorable Discharge for the very same offense for which an officer was allowed to resign. So, the enlisted man is stuck with a felony conviction that will follow him all his life and the officer pretty much gets to walk. Still ticks me off years later.

[@KiLLED5639]

I've never heard of this happening before.

[@dennisholiday1868]

Yes just like Hunter Biden! Father Joe should demand that he should do 4 years of Pro-Boner attorney work to help the bad paper vets!

[@cigarillo22]

Ive heard of this in the Marine Corps. Politics over men.

[@iamthestig1]

So, if an officer resigns, does that follow them like a Dishonourable Discharge/BCD, and stop them getting VA perks?

[@miketurner3461]

I think some former military people put too much weight into how employers in the civilian are going to value their service. Outside of industries where military experience is valued like government jobs, government/military contractors, security etc. civilian employers are a lot more interested in your capability to do the job. Most honestly don't care about your military experience one way or the other unless your experience somehow gave you experience in the field you're targeting (electrical engineering, weather observation, IT security etc.). I think channels like this tend to put far too much weight on how the conditions of discharge will effect your future employment if you're not targeting jobs that explicity want ex-military.

[@barbaramatthews4735]

I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Navy. When I got out, I had to recertify everything. The military medical experience only went so far. In the civilian world, people working in health care need licenses, certification, and education to get hired. Our has to be documented. It also depends on where you work and what you will be doing. If you want to do any patient care, current education and certification is more important than experience. Experience does help, but what's on paper is what they want.

[@miketurner3461]

@@barbaramatthews4735 Yeah I think for the medical industry in particular CYA is valued. If they have people with certs they can't get sued as easily. Recruiters go out and sell 17-21 year olds without any life experience on this image of how much the civilian world will love you when you get out. It's unethical, but I doubt this will ever change.

[@skywalker39100]

I have a Honorable Discharge. It's in My Parents House. US ARMY Strong! "This We'll Defend!"

[@daleslover2771]

Leroy Worsley Spot on! Mister Worsley, always Army,,,,,, Reserve,,,, National Guard.

[@clawhammer704]

Big Bill O'Reilly Obammy never served either....

[@daniels.3062]

Note: Although there is a process for appealing your discharge, the chances of it being successful are slim. Almost 90% are denied.

[@issacguerrero8695]

Daniel S. How would you go about doing so? Because I received a chapter 11 but I don’t think it’s correct now that I’ve watched this video.

[@KiLLED5639]

@@issacguerrero8695 A lawyer? Possibly one that's experienced with military discharges.

[@adamhutto1660]

If you are service connected for mental illness, it's not that difficult.

[@mcoleman6893]

I was given a unconditional standardized discharge, a Section 11, on the basis of incompatibility. I was truly unprepared, unmindful, and uninformed as to what was expected. A lack of information can be crippling. Not proud of it, but I learned a lot, despite everything.

[@robertscheinost179]

when i was in the navy (1970-1973) there was 5 types of discharges. honorable, general, undesirable. bad conduct and dishonorable. i have an honorable discharge. i would have found this more informative if you described re-enlistment codes (re1, re2 ect). obviously, i have been out for a long time and appreciate your channel to keep me up to date on things military. thanks for your service and keep up the good work!

[@T-dog2000]

Christopher Chaos Nice Video

[@oceanus4958]

My uncle told me a story of how he testified at an officers court-martial because the officer had assaulted him and was in trouble for committing crimes and he had to go in front of generals since the officer was so high in rank. This was about 15-20 years ago

[@alessio272]

I was honorably discharged. Shortly before my discharge I accepted an Article 15 and was demoted one pay grade. I decided to take the article 15 because I’d of risk a bad conduct discharge post court martial. If you separate under honorable conditions you still have a separation code on the DD 214 that indicates character of service.

[@kayp4601]

Smart move

[@pghmoore]

Well... I got my honorable discharge!

[@arrobasolar]

Thank you for your teaching.

[@theopinion9452]

I met a guy in Ft Bragg that he went AWOL while in the cherry phase in our unit(the first months in the unit basically,until we got certified real paratroopers)after he got thru Basic,AIT and basic airborne school....wtf!!..How do you go thru "hell" to just walk away from everything like that,knowing that you will not get an honorable discharge??....Me?..I got 2 honorable discharges,one from 5 years of Active duty in Ft Brag(2 of those in Iraq,OIF1andOIF3),then I had 2 years of civilian life and then I contacted a reserve person and I said that want it to go Afghanistan and off I went,with a reserve unit from AZ to Camp Leatherneck and at the end,I got another honorable discharge from reserve,end of the story.

[@lord.d1_]

My great uncle didn't get a discharge until South Vietnam was disbanded. He rose to the rank of Colonel in 13 years (there was OCS in Vietnam, but applicable at 18, if pass: officer cadet, if fail: airman).

[@ColonelMarcellus]

They used to have some kind of "code" put onto the discharge certificates, which were (in 1970) secret even to the soldier being discharged: everything from bad hygiene to "bed-wetting" (the most common one).

[@ivanscottw]

I have a question : My father served 21 years in the Army and wound up SFC.He spent some time as a Corps of engineer, Was an expert un photography processing, was an exceptional marksman... At that time he was offered a permanent position in the reserve. He didn't have to do anything, he was still given his monthly pension, didn't have to attend any training or whatnot - but he was NEVER discharged - he was even allowed to take any form of job or create his own business (he became a professional fisherman).. He got his full pension as a reserve SFC until the day he died..... The day he died - he was given a proper military funeral (I have one of the brass hulls used as a keepsake)

[@WILDSTYLETELEVISION]

OUTSTANDING VIDEO. GREAT VIDEO

[@digitalguru97]

you forgot EPTS (exist prior to service) is when you are honorbly discharged due to an injury disability or birth defect that went unnoticed before service that became aware during training making completion of traning impossible. in my case I have flat feet and wide knees which slowed down running and became very painfull after an extended period of time. they stated that reentry was possible after corrective surgery

[@eduardoesc3093]

And to think Homer Simpson got a Dishonorable Discharge from the Navy....

[@MisterTutor2010]

Can't spell dishonorable without honorable :)

[@benadams4807]

6:37 But from there, we’ll move to definitely the most severe one which is the Dishonorable Discharge, and that is definitely the most severe type of discharge from the Army.

[@yodady4]

Hey christopher chaos ! could you possibly do a video on medical discharges and medboard process ?

[@henerymag]

There was a Undesirable Discharge at one time for only enlisted men. Officers received a Less than Honorable Discharge for the same offense. In the mid 80's this was changed to the latter discharge for all.

[@reddevilparatrooper]

I remember a guy from my National Guard unit during Operation Noble Eagle. He was an E-5 with prior active duty time. Our unit was augmented to guard Air Force bases all over the US and some overseas. Anyway this guy had serious problems with abusing troops using his rank, sexually harassing female Air Force personnel, coming in late, and money issues etc. So at the end of the mission of Noble Eagle. He was given an Honorable Discharge with an RE-4 code which is a bar of reenlistment to any branch. This was done back in 2004. I remember that on DD214s back then either on the top right and bottom left they had RE codes or Re-Entry codes that specify if a soldier can reenlist back into the Army or any service. Honestly this guy was a shit bag. I knew an E-7 from my Army Reserve infantry unit who had been an active duty artillery officer as a major. He got passed up for promotion to LTC. He then enlisted into the Army Reserve and entered in as an E-6 then became an E-7 when that slot opened up. This guy was also airborne qualified and Ranger tab qualified also. He was one of the most outstanding leaders I have ever met in my life time. This was back in the mid 1990s.

[@coryjuanbradenjr.8312]

I was Support for Operation Noble Eagle

[@robertdonnell8114]

RIF, Reduction In Force, it means shrinking the numbers of personnel in the military and yes officers can be demoted down to E-5 as opposed to throwing them out entirely. Generally, this would be say a LTC that gets passed over for promotion to COL but they have 18 years service, they will be allowed to serve their last 2 years as a sergeant.

[@christopherchaos]

Sorry but not true. An officer can not be forced to be enlisted as they are commissioned. That’s just not how the system works. Also even if a solder was moved to a sergeant/ E-5 with 18 years in the Army they would be passed the requirement under RCP regulation that dose not allow a solder to currently be in the Army with more than 15 years of service at that rank. Current regulation requires a sergeant must get promoted or leave the Army before they get to 15 years of service.

[@podaly]

E5 Air Force vet (Vietnam-era). I have worked for various veterans resource groups. Just an FYI to vets that there are codes at the bottom of your original, full length DD214 that characterize your service and real reason for discharge. Yours may be just end of enlistment or early out for school... or may say you have a personality disorder or are deviant. If you are unaware of it you could have unexplained difficulties looking for a job or trying to get benefits.

[@worldgonemad5866]

I recieved an RE-3G discharge after breaking my neck in a diving accident in the navy, a condition without a disability. I was 100% by the va 2 years after I was discharged, separation doctors aren't there to do you any favors, that for sure.

[@marksmusicplace3627]

These discharges are only important to employers that care. Some companies do not know military and do not care. They may only be looking for experience and or education. Employers that care about discharges are government, law enforcement, and some employer dependent.

[@poemarnan5498]

Yep, Most HR are run by folks who have never been near the military or know what any of it means. They just want to know what Era you served for Taxes and Government Kickbacks for hiring you.

[@johnnymahsrow7704]

I received an honorable discharge for the one year I did in the Army reserves.

[@tangocharliedd-2146]

Never called yourself veteran you just do your job

[@xxbroski33xx16]

Tango charlie DD-214 lmao when did you serve?

[@nunyabusiness4904]

Officers CAN be demoted it is however exceedingly rare and they usually have to do something pretty bad but not bad enough to just be straight up kicked out, there was recently an incident where it came out that a retired Air Force 4-Star was having inappropriate relations with I believe his secretary and lost rank post retirement I think they busted him down to a Major General. I was talking to a Lt. Col about this and his explanation about why officers rarely get demoted is because if it's not bad enough to kick them out of the military with how hard it is for them to make rank they will most likely never be promoted again, so they usually get a lighter punishment that just will usually prevent them from ever moving up.

[@chrismc410]

It usually doesn't get that far for officers punishment-wise. Usually in such situations the powers-that-be give those officers a choice: Option A: face formal charges via court-martial and whatever punishment they decide which can mean being kicked out. Option B: formal letter of reprimand, no further promotions and eventually leave due to the "up or out" system. Option C: resign their commission with no further action taken. Option D: if said officer has enough time in service ie: 20 years or more and enough leave to go on terminal leave, they can put in papers for retirement, still get the letter of reprimand and then retire. Usually the officers in question either resign their commissions or retire to avoid any further action taken.

[@wainber1]

It's interesting that commissioned officers of the US Army have discharges recorded a bit differently than enlisted ones. Yet I still see there being 2 basic types of discharges under the Code of Service Discipline of my homeland (Canada) that are punitive: dismissal and dismissal with disgrace. That said, military members convicted in civilian courts can be administratively released if convicted of severe enough criminal offences. Russell Williams, at 1 time a colonel in the Canadian Armed Forces ("CAF"), was given the equivalent of a dishonourable discharge following his guilty plea to multiple charges, among them 2 murders (1 of them of a CAF corporal).

[@joshuamonk3005]

When i got my els from the USMC due to a failure to meet the pt standerds i was told that it was equal to honorable and latter was given a waver to try again latter

[@johnnymahsrow7704]

AAFES had a distribution center here in Oakland, and when I applied for a job there on the it asks what you in the military and what type of discharge you received. If you received a dishonorable discharge you are wasting your time they will not hire you. I spent seven years there at that facility until they closed it down in 2001.

[@jerryj9284]

In marine corp recruit training i got into an ‘altercation’ with another recruiter and got an ELS (entry level separation) and basically spent a week in a different squad bay while our company First Sergeant processed me into RSP(recruit separation platoon) which i spent another week finalizing my separation and getting pay.(people who can’t pass PT don’t end up here, they get recycled until they pass )and Then i joined the army.

[@allenmiddendorff2068]

Good information to know.

[@surmatise]

In the Navy we called a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) a Big Chicken Dinner. I don't know how the Officer process works but there was an Ensign (O1) on the Frigate I was stationed on that was arrested and taken away from the ship for throwing Molotov cocktails at someones house while he was attending the academy. I have no clue what happened to him, but he never came back.

[@sce2aux464]

I heard a story similar to that with ROTC from some Air Force sergeants. I won't go into detail, but the ending was: "Lieutenant Hennie was a lieutenant for a *long* time..." (name changed)

[@NotShowingOff]

I always thought officer from a service academy were treated better.

[@janisdeluca3028]

Maybe they cut orders on him. Next duty station...Ft Leavenworth, Kansas

[@thetrimreaper1019]

I received a general under honorable conditions because I had a few injuries that required pain meds once I got the prescriptions I became addicted and was taking other pain meds that weren't the same name as what I was prescribed so they booted me out for that and I was an Honor Graduate at AIT and a great Soldier other than that issue. Be careful you can become addicted in 10 days to pain meds they sure got to me...

[@longfordboy2538]

Guys in the Reserves got a General for failure to attend meetings. All records were destroyed in a fire at St Louis which was the main repository.

[@TheLAGopher]

General and Flag rank Officers are subject to recall to active duty and can be Court Marshalled and if convicted, forced to retire at a reduced rank. An example would be a 4 STAR General retiring as a Lt.General.

[@anacarolinareyes8213]

Lol I laughed so hard when you said they had 15 years to appeal... I thought you were going to say 15 days, weeks, or even months. That’s a long time.

[@DApostate]

An officers rank can be reduced but it is done through a classification board. For example, a General recently was fined for sexual misconduct. Originally gave him a fine but later the board demoted him to LTC and he was later forced to retire.

[@makhailoliver1847]

A friend of mine was in the Navy, and tested their biggest guns, shooting bullets bigger than a house. He received a medical discharge because he had an allergic reaction to a vaccine they were giving out.

[@LeTrashPanda]

Same can happen with a genetic deformity or health issue and they happen to find it, flat feet used to be a problem in the past....not sure if it is currently. As a soldier you are considered 'government property' and they do not want to invest in 'damaged goods'

[@user-my2eo9lo1y]

I am disgusted for the scammers I hear about and the ones who have asked me for money to come home and not to be transferred to another country for x amount of years. I send the information once I see someone trying to scam me. I wish some some veterans would get together and catch these scammers and trying to locate them quicker than I can. God bless and thank you all for your services

[@savvy_southpaw7348]

My cousin was given a general discharge because he lied about staying back and having to repeat a year of highschool after he completed basic training and AIT.

[@chrisvisconti1142]

Thumbs up for the Metal intro

[@ferebeefamily]

Thank you.

[@Tech9641]

You should do a video on officers. I enjoy watching your videos.

[@RebelSandGaming]

Whatabout a 5-11 discharge was in the army for 2 months n im barred from rentry cus my spine is 4 degrees too crooked i was told

[@TAllyn-qr3io]

Was prior service Navy and joined the Army. Two initial enlistments and seven honorable discharges equal retirement baby! Combined both branches schooling, not including NCO academies was well over two years. Mostly math 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Great jobs/Rating and MOS made it very easy finding civilian employment. I had soldiers that got booted with Big Chicken Dinners as well as dishonorable and OTH. I felt bad for them but, everyone knows the UCMJ and the risks when you cross a line!

[@parkerjones6893]

I got an ELS in Navy Boot Camp for medical (they miss diagnosed me), it really sucks because no one understands it so you have to explain everything. I am currently trying to go into the Army.

[@rza9529]

Did that discharge effect your civilian life bad?

[@josephdoe2586]

One thing you forgot to mention is that a soldier can only receive a bad conduct discharge or a dishonorable discharge (or dismissal as the case with Nidal Hasan) as a punishment from a court-martial. In answer to your question, I never received a certificate from my honorable discharge, I’m not really worried about it, my DD214 reflects it, and that’s what really matters, but I do have my commission hanging on the wall.

[@snakechrmr6398]

I don't believe Officers get discharged when they leave active duty as they are still subject to recall until a certain age.

[@andrehankerson15]

We had a guy in our unit that used to be a O-3 years ago but was a PFC when he came to us. He was just trying to finish his 20 years but he had gotten into a lot of trouble in the past that resulted him receiving the rank of PFC. Once he completed his time though all his paperwork would've said O-3 and he could retire as a Cpt. I wish i knew the details.

[@kenmohler4081]

When I served, 66 to 69, nearly all officers held reserve commissions with a permanent enlisted grade. In a reduction in force they would be offered a choice to resign or to continue to serve in their enlisted grade. That was fairly common after WW2. At a retirement parade a soldier I knew as a sergeant first class came out in the uniform of a lieutenant colonel. LTC was the rank he held during the war. Actually I don’t think I ever met an officer with a Regular Army commission.

[@Therealmudbone]

Hey Chris, I have like a greenish-yellow oozey discharge right that stings when it comes out. Is that the honorable kind?

[@williamcarey8529]

I have a question!! Could you answer other questions in reference to Military law?

[@JarrodGordon20]

If an O gets a dismissal are they barred from owning a firearm as well or is that strictly a dishonorable that does it? I never even sent in my signed DD214 or my CAC so I never received my honorable discharge certificate. I separated back in 2014. Should probably do that but it's never been an issue so far so I haven't bothered.

[@roberrallenfran]

My discharge paperwork I keep hided until I find the right frame. I have an honorable discharge because of a family issue.

[@PottersVideos2]

8:00 Funnily enough it is possible in the UK - if an officer is sent to the Military Corrective Training Centre they will still be demoted to a private and hold that rank whilst they are there. I'm not sure whether they regain their original rank upon release, are automatically discharged or are permitted to rejoin the military as a 2nd Lieutenant instead of their original rank.

[@sce2aux464]

There are a handful of videos on KZbin about Colchester. Not much on Leavenworth, go figure...

[@terencehayes4181]

Great video

[@Lupinthe3rd.]

I had a friend who was in the army and had unfortunately an accidental discharge. He got a stripper pregnant.

[@alexandercarnathan7235]

I got a general discharge 511 prior existing for PTSD I had it when I was a kid but shakes it off but bct brought it back. My company 1st seargnet or commander sayd once a soldier always a soldier.. so even if u donr pass bct as long as u get all or a massive amount of the training other soldiers can teach u what there allowed. Once your out ur out but the army changes you forever. I'm skilled now even tho I'm not in and didn't pass bct I can still say I did what 99% of Americans and the world simply cant do. And that makes me a warior and a soldier I live the army values in my civilian life and think and say the soldiers creed evry day.

[@braveheart9097]

I got a General Under Honorable Conditions discharge after a very serious offense and I am doing well now.

[@braveheart9097]

@@rza9529 Nope. Not at all.

[@celam1095]

I received a General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions for patterns of misconduct after serving almost 3 years at 101st Ft. Campbell. I was a hold over in AIT for almost a year waiting for my security clearance to clear and I lost all of my motivation to become a good solider after all my battle buddies left and went to their duty stations. My 1st Sergeant was a complete dick and I was tired of playing the game with them so I gradually stopped caring and I got into trouble. My platoon Sergeant threatened to friendly fire on me if we ever went to combat and I never said a word about it, but I always knew in the back of my mind if we ever went to combat, I'd have to take him out first. I'm 100% sure that if I didn't get held over so long, I would have retired. I did ok despite not making it in the Army and I actually work on a military base right now in a weapons warehouse as a gunsmith, it's pretty decent.

[@heinrichkaboobler3607]

why did your security clearance take so long? Was it for secret or top secret? Did your MOS require a clearance?

[@celam1095]

31R multichannel transmissions systems operator. Signal corps or commo. I can't remember if it was top secret or secret? I have no idea why I was held over so long, probably some things that I had on my juvenile record, they may have been possibly reviewing? They should have done all of that before they allowed me to enlist in my opinion. I just caught a bad break at the time and I actually excelled during basic training and during AIT, I was very squared away and highly motivated. One of the Drill Sgts favorites during the cycle, my drill sgt even pulled me off the bus before we left for AIT just to let me know how proud he was of me and that I was going to go far in the Army. That really made me feel good to know that he viewed me as a standout from Alpha Company. That hold over shit, just really put me in a state of depression and I didn't even know it at the time. 😒

[@kylep3764]

In 2009 I got a general discharge, honorable conditions, 12-14 misconduct for going awol for 29 days at the last phase of EOD school and showing up in formation on day 30 on my own. I wish I finished. I kick myself in the ass daily.

[@USMCDOGOFWAR1]

Kind of a weird question but I was given a General Under Honorable Discharge for failing the PFT. I was not ADSEP'd I finished my second contract after 8 years. My BC changed my characterization of service from honorable to general 2 days before my EAS. I have multiple awards and commendations for serving honorably. I did 4 deployments and have multiple campaign and expeditionary medals. What are the chances I can get that upgraded to an honorable?

[@SirShoddrick]

Thanks for this info. Honorable here👍

[@johng4498]

Chris, Thoroughly enjoy your videos. Is there any chance you can close caption the above video? Would much appreciate it. Thanks and keep up the great work?

[@christopherchaos]

It should have CC already on it by default that is generated by Google.

[@hughsonj]

The Army was pretty cheap. I only ever got a DD 214. No cool, frameable paperwork. I did get 3 NGB 22s from my time in the Guard, but I’m really looking forward to my retirement in September 2019!

[@leo29hornsfan]

Other than honorable discharge is a joke. You can get it for the stupidest things like your executive officer or commanding officer didn’t like you for some reason and will look for ways to get rid of you, or you can fail a drug test which is an automatic separation from well the Navy like I was in. I knew two guys that got an OTH and later got it upgraded which I’m happy for them. But you nailed it with everything you said. A dishonorable discharge will ruin your life. Thank you for serving and great videos

[@lennoxcrochet9718]

Great info thanks💕 my son now in Great Lakes and was put in isolation and force to sign paper he say he was sleep deprive. Dnt want to go home but no one check him or test to say what he pass 2 week training just wasting time. Is it any chance he be able to continue training again

[@omarmassey2522]

So there is actually a separate chapter for failing height and weight that merits only an honorable discharge. And I've seen soldiers who are getting out on 10-14s for DUIs or doing other dumb things getting out under honorable conditions. In the end it's based on what the commander recommends to the CG who ultimately decides.

[@TiffanyLaffyTaffyBaker]

if you were medical discharged or had a general discharge would you still get military pay for the time you did up until they release and finalize the discharge? ik they still make you do stuff while you are waiting to get discharged