Tyrolia Protector Binding | SkiTalk.com shares the features of the Protector

[@greganderson4446]

Every vid gets more polished! My next binding will be the protector

[@skitalkdotcom]

Thank you for the kind words. We are always striving to improve. As far as the Protector being your next binding. It is a welcome change when additional safety can be added to a product not at the cost of performance.

[@dizietz]

Thanks for covering this binding, I would love to see more detail on this vs the knee binding, given it has dual lateral release.

[@skitalkdotcom]

Having the bi-lateral release is the major difference in that it just gives another level of safety plus you don't have to have a specific left and right ski.

[@louisrosenfeld1203]

Phil I don't understand your comment about an extra level of safety coming from bi-lateral release. Protection of the ACL, which is the reason these bindings and Knee bindings exist has been shown to be provided by medial heel release. What exactly is further protected by lateral release at the heel? Aren't you worried the binding is prone to prerelease in the lateral direction at the heel if in fact the sideways release values are soft enough to protect the ACL?

[@skitalkdotcom]

The extra level is from being able to not only release in both directions, falls do not only happen in the direction that the binding releases but also having 7 mm of lateral elasticity which creates absorption. As far as pre releasing, having skied the bindings with the lateral release at the lowest setting (4) and anywhere between that and my recommended setting (8), I have let to come out when not expecting to.

[@louisrosenfeld1203]

@@skitalkdotcomAnecdotal evidence from one person is not enough to make any kind of absolute statement.

[@jonnyhifi]

@@skitalkdotcominteresting ! I’m about to get some - and I’m curious - if you didn’t pre release at all even with the lateral heal release set at its lowest release setting - I’m wondering if there’s any downside skiing with this on the softest setting. It’s difficult to see how a sideways force at the heel can be created by a ski unless something has gone drastically wrong, as normal skiing involves one’s weight down the leg, bearing on the ski, Which is inclined during a turn - so one is still “ standing” on it, such that forces due to your weight are perpendicular to the ski surface. If you end up with force sideways against the heel mid turn - something is hugely wrong - And a release seems the ideal solution. I find it hard to imagine how at any setting a pre lease could happen. Through lateral forces at the heel which simply don’t exist in normal skiing in control. Would you agree ?

[@choski76]

are these bindings "heavy"? and how much more than markers or salomon? and does it make any difference?

[@paullai4785]

Can I get some Inspiration like yours? Didn't know Stillhouse came in cans.

[@skitalkdotcom]

We'll have to share some of that inspiration.

[@louisrosenfeld1203]

Phil: Perhaps you could add some explanation about your pressuring down through the turn. I don't see that. I see substantial sideways forces developing as the ski starts to turn and for many, probably most skiers these forces will be highest at the bottom of the turn. Also could you comment on how absorption at the heel, which is the same I think in your explanation as movement or use of elastic travel can give more control. Don't you think having your foot constantly off centre and not aligned with the ski would give less control? Doesn't having the heel off centre to the lateral side tend to roll the ski off edge?

[@skitalkdotcom]

Constantly off center? No, there is elasticity and return to center. Could that also be said of elasticity in the toe? It is not that latter half of the boot sits is contantly off center, having the ability to absorb also can reduce shock to the knee.

[@hexensage196]

Hi, thank you for the review! I've used PRD12 for like 10 years and happy. Should I buy a FHR-enabled model and if yes - which one exactly and why? I'm not a pro, more fun-skiing, but I like steep pists and more or less high speeds. Weight - 85kg. Thank you!

[@skitalkdotcom]

Protector 13 it will be the most similar in feel with the added satety of bi lateral release in the heel.

[@hexensage196]

@@skitalkdotcom Thank you! But they are $175 more expensive than PRDs. Am I right that Protector PR11 (which is cheaper) is *identical* to PR13, but works for lower weight skiers (which should be OK for me, as I'm only 85kg/190lb)? Thank you!

[@TheZenCommuter]

Great vid! What's the difference (delta) between the toe and heel? I prefer a closer to neutral ramo angle. Thx in advance 👍

[@skitalkdotcom]

It is about 5mm.

[@donkingdonkey4764]

Nice video. How does this compare to the Knee Binding?

[@skitalkdotcom]

The Knee is a single lateral release, the Protector is a dual, it releases in both directions. It is also available with different toe options.

[@loug4626]

Question: Would not the lateral movement of the heel piece not affect hard edging or loss of?

[@skitalkdotcom]

Does it with the toe? No. You are pressuring down though the turn, not twisting the heel, so it will not. But also having 7mm of travel in the heel could actually create some absorbsion. giving more edge control.

[@tridoc99]

The online literature states that the 11 din has a TX toe whereas the 13 din has an RX toe. I can’t find any explanation of what that means anywhere. I ski with my din set at 6 so I can’t see a reason to go with the 13s over the 11s. Can you explain the difference between the 2 toes and if I am missing anything rationalizing going with the 11s over the 13s based on my current din setting? Thanks

[@skitalkdotcom]

The TX has the same functions, but slightly smaller and lighter. When you are getting a higher level binding, you are not so much buyng a bigger spring, but a better housing, the 13 is built a little better.

[@tridoc99]

@@skitalkdotcom Thanks for the quick and informative reply!

[@robert.palmquist]

How is the toe height set on the PRD design toe?

[@skitalkdotcom]

The PRD toe has auto height adjustment, nothing needs to be done.