U.K. E-bike Law 2025 The BBC continues to demonise e-bikes annotated by me.

[@shaunmk]

i love my e-bike, after 3 serious heart attacks, its got me out the house , rather than being housebound...

[@HoratioChinn]

I hadn't ridden a bike for years until I got an ebike and did over 2500 miles last year, I would never have ridden anywhere if I'd got a pushbike.

[@007floppyboy]

A woman in our club getting on a few years now (she rode with BB, so thats how good she was) is now getting an ebike, which is great.

[@SKBKER]

Law needs changing to american law of 750watts . 250 Watts doesn't cut it especially on steep hills and carrying a trailer .

[@007floppyboy]

@@SKBKER HA HA HA. Good one, stick to your day job.

[@garyjones122]

Literally everything he's moaning about applies to normal pedal bikes as well. You can easily ride one like a knob around pedestrians and easily peddle faster than 15mph

[@MegaNayton]

that's the problem, people for some reason don't seem to realize a legal ebike can be slower than someone on a normal pedal bike. As the resistance of the motor and the 15.5mph speed restriction holds you back and once at 15mph your putting in id say nearly double the effort to keep up with someone on a standard bike. Often i would be overtaken by someone on a racer style pedal bike while im doing my motors max speed.

[@alistairbannerman8528]

A good amount of it could be applied to joggers too. A jogger could knock your granny over and break her hip coming around a corner or by simply not paying attention or caring (infamously one pushed a women infront of a bus back in 2017). No number plates so they can be involved in all sorts of crime - very easy for a human to blend into a crowd, hide, or slip through rough terrain. Clearly nobody should be let outside unless they prominently display their citizen ID code and/or are in a car.

[@TheUntypicals]

Plenty of motorists driving like knobs every day 😢

[@naziicc]

Actually, you cant. to be able to do the same amount of damage you would have to put in very proper effort and intent. On ebike you only need to push a button. Also mass of impact will always be more with ebike as it itself is heavier and rider will mostly be also, as he doesnt have to exercise.

[@tanatribe]

@@naziiccyou have to pedal an ebike it is heavier though

[@avandriver]

Adrian chiles , a well known and documented alcohollic is scared when riding an Ebike but apparently not bothered by a massively powerfull BMW motorcycle . Piss poor journalism at its best .

[@darrenelbrow5144]

His motorcycle was a Yamaha FJR 1300

[@simonburkeisable]

No need to bring up his past. Shite journalism is just shite.

[@losbastardosmtb]

@@avandriver pin this comment

[@pauldupre2269]

😂😂😂

[@losbastardosmtb]

@@pauldupre2269 you brought me back here for a second laugh 😂👍

[@twosix5444]

I can't believe I watched a whole BBC documentary. I can see where this is going: Mandatory insurance, a licence, a test, road tax, loads of penalties, random alcohol and drug testing, age limits......all for riding a bike....The control freaks are getting their ducks in a row....EV Bike regulations are right out of clown world, there are too many rules governing everything we do and we have to stop this over regulation now. I am sick of it, it's gone way too far.

[@MegaNayton]

Where else is the money going to come from when they price people out of car ownership people will still need to get around and for those that can they will most likely buy an ebike or a normal bike and so the government will have to come up with ways to make the money back they lost from fewer car owners. Its probably why the government hasn't stepped in to stop car insurance companies from over pricing insurance and making it harder for new drivers to get insurance as it don't fit the agenda oh and look at all the green zones in major cities making it impossible to drive a car in lots of parts of the Uk

[@jpross68]

gets off motorbike producing over 100bho but is scared by a bike with 250-500w - he's a liar with an agenda.

[@mattyfrommacc1554]

He'd quite possibly fail a breath test too

[@MickyBee73]

He's full of $#!t, and you're spot on.

[@illicitlabs6018]

@@mattyfrommacc1554 1000000000%

[@imzadiwhite4778]

Panorama used to have a reputation for cutting edge journalism. This is dragging Panorama in the dirt as well as e-bikes. The bike Association has lodged a formal complaint. More ebikers should join in.

[@alanrobertson9790]

I didn't see anything in this video that was false, did you? Pointing out what you don't like to hear isn't a legitimate concern.

[@imzadiwhite4778]

@@alanrobertson9790 Yes what they were describing as ebikes was false in so far as they were describing the class2 bikes as ebikes and they are classed as motorcycles as they exceed the limits imopsed on genuine class 1 ebikes.

[@badabing8884]

The bbc again referring to and showing Surron motorbikes as e-bikes when they are clearly not. 🤦‍♂️ Edit: For police chasing these e-motos/illegal e-bikes they should enable more drone cameras to follow them IMO. Film/follow them to catch them, seize and destroy. There must be consequences for those who build, sell and ride them illegally. There are clear enforceable rules for e-bikes - limited to 250Ws of continuous power, throttles limited to 3.7mph. These e-bikes are classed legally as EAPCs and not vehicles. This programme does not make clear and conflates those outside this as illegal e-bikes. It’s the enforcement of the rules that are the problem, the same for e-scooters which are illegal to ride outside of a registered rental scheme. For legal e-bikes and responsible riders who ride with due care and attention, slowing down and alerting pedestrians when they want to pass there is no issue. There is also the issue of fires from overcharged batteries with unsuitable charger, which this programme didn’t even mention. Nor the 2024 Govt consultation to increase the wattage on such e-bikes to 500Ws and throttles to 15.5 mph, which most Bike associations, totally objected to. Funny how since the change of Govt. the results have not been officially announced. FYI - there was a debate in the House of Lords on 07/01/25 on e-bikes which you can read online.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@badabing8884 exactly. E motos are not e-bikes.

[@lawrence-sheard]

I think the problem here is a lack of use of more specific vocabulary. that vocabulary exists, it's just not in common usage yet. Surrons are "e-bikes", in the literal sense of the word, in the same way that a motorbike is a "bike" - a Surron has two wheels and is electrically powered, and a motorbike has two wheels and is motor-powered. the problem is that "e-bike" is just too broad a category, which enables the poor reporting of the BBC. "pedelec" or "EPAC" is the term to refer to "legal" e-bikes, and it is a term the BBC should have, at the very least, mentioned in a documentary about e-bikes. lots of stuff that pissed me off in that documentary, but there's a fair few things in the added commentary that I don't agree with either...

[@ModProjects4306]

@ Surrons are “e-motos” or “e-motorcycles”. The give away is the high power and lack of pedals. I’ve never seen anyone illegally riding one around Wakefield at 15.5mph … or with a helmet for that matter.

[@esk8jaimes]

Indeed...

[@MegaNayton]

@@ModProjects4306 you can register a sur ron though and ride it like you would a motorbike only thing is scum of the earth prefer to ride illegally and not show a number plate as they are the thief's bike of choice fast and quiet and if you can steal one its saved them about £4000 and can be easily sold to the next scum bag to do his weekly phone shop

[@truthnotfeelings]

Soooo what about all the people who stick within the law and haven’t hit anyone?

[@losbastardosmtb]

They all need to complain that cars shouldn’t be allowed for personal use .. too dangerous 👍

[@alanwilton6806]

@@losbastardosmtb How many car drivers routinely drive on pavements and footpaths?

[@losbastardosmtb]

@ every single side street every day mate . Check google earth if u can’t get out to look

[@losbastardosmtb]

@@alanwilton6806 for some reason my comment was removed .. check down every side street especially in Scotland couldnt ride a bike on the pavement because there blocked by cars and vans

[@ThomasMTube]

@@alanwilton6806 All the bloody time. If you open your eyes you will see. You are experiencing a severe case of car brain and motornormativity.

[@007floppyboy]

Love how the video starts of and within 3 seconds it shows a pedestrian stepping out into the road, and a bike hits the pedestrian. Guess what, its the pedestrians fault... Isnt it amazing that 10 seconds in they have shown loads of illegal electric motor bikes, and yet it suits them to call them ebikes. Absolute BS reporting. Its like saying the level of driving has gone down and then showing 20 bank robbers that used cars to 'get away'. And finally, how about clamping down on drug drivers, drink drivers, Tax dodging drivers, Insurance dodging drivers, phone drivers. ALL of these are 100s of times more dangerous than an ebike,

[@alanwilton6806]

You don’t think that two wheeled warriors have any responsibility toward pedestrians? 😮

[@simonburkeisable]

The agenda was set from the start. They sought out comments and footage to match their hypothesis. The exact opposite of journalism.

[@lawrence-sheard]

@@alanwilton6806 all responsibility in transit is a hierarchy, with the actual road planning at the top, followed by the larger, more dangerous motor vehicles (trucks, cars, etc.), then smaller motor vehicles (motorbikes [be they electric or ICE], mopeds, etc.), then electric-assist cycles (pedelecs, e-trikes, whatever else that only powers the motor when pedalling), then normal cycles, then pedestrians. the most vulnerable road-users are at the bottom of the hierarchy, and road users above them have more responsibility for the safety of the road users below. all road users are at least somewhat responsible for the safety of themselves and others, though, regardless of their place in the hierarchy. cyclists (electrically-assisted or otherwise) obviously have a responsibility to not ride like dicks and endanger other road users or themselves, but that same onus is also put onto pedestrians. consider the hypothetical: if a pedestrian walks into a road without looking and gets hit by a car which was traveling at or below the speed limit, obviously the car driver has a duty to be alert and ready to perform an emergency stop to mitigate harm, but the pedestrian is ultimately at fault there. it would be worth looking into the road planning - was there a crossing that could have been utilised? is that crossing fit for purpose and designed with pedestrians in mind? are appropriate traffic calming measures in place to mitigate risks from speeding? it would also be worth investigating if the driver was preoccupied (phone, for instance) or if they were speeding. but if the driver did everything right, and the primary reason for the accident was that the pedestrian didn't look, that is their responsibility. now imagine the exact same scenario, but it's a bike that hits the pedestrian. we saw this in the video used in the documentary. the cyclist even tries to avoid the pedestrian by turning to the right, but the pedestrian still doesn't notice and gets run down. do we place all of the blame on the cyclist? does it even matter that it's a pedelec? a push bike could achieve the same speed and the scenario would have been no different. could the cyclist have used their bell? probably (they might have - the start of the video is cut off and there's music in the background so I can't hear for sure). but at the end of the day, *everyone* on the road is responsible for the safety of others. while pedestrians are at the bottom of the hierarchy as they're most vulnerable, they still have a responsibility for their own safety. walking into a bike lane without looking is just as stupid as trying to cross the road without looking

[@007floppyboy]

@@alanwilton6806 Of course they do, its in the HWC. But guess what, if you are hit by an ebike, chances are you will get up and walk away. If you are hit by a car/van/lorry, you prob wont.

[@alanwilton6806]

@@007floppyboy Do you believe that cyclists should be allowed to cycle on pavements and footpaths, or should they stick with the cycle paths and the roads? I live in Greenwich in London. There is a narrow footpath which runs alongside the Thames, and there is a public cycle path which runs almost parallel to that which goes through the grounds of the Old Royal Naval College. Despite this, cyclists STILL use the footpath, it’s not wide enough for people to pass in anything other than single file, and there are no cycling signs at either end, but cyclists still ride on it, is that reasonable do you think? If someone gets hit by an e bike on that path, or one of the pedestrian tunnels under the Thames it’s going to cause injury. They shouldn’t be riding there, but is it ok as long as they don’t kill anyone?

[@literova]

I have an ebike and I love it. I'm 78 yrs old and as I live in a hilly area it's a blessing when going uphill. As for the legal maximum speed of these being 15mph I find this confusing as I can achieve 30mph on my conventional road bike, so where is the logic in this. I do however agree that more control is required for all cyclists.

[@shadowstar68]

It's not the legal maximum you can ride at, but the legal maximum at which the motor can assist. I have an e-bike and have a rear mounted camera on the tail light. Watching a video of the ride you can hear the motor assist you but the minute you get above 15.5 mph you can hear the motor cut out, meaning you are then doing all the work. When the speed drops to below 15.5 you hear the motor cut back in.

[@tastytechaddictsmtb]

@@shadowstar68so let’s look at this from a physics point of view…… A 100kg mass travelling at 30mph is a 100kg mass travelling at 30mph. If you went down a hill (like the rider in the video that killed the old guy), or rode to 30mph with assist…..PHYSICS DOESN’T CARE !. This is what makes no sense with these laws is 100kg total mass travelling at 30mph makes no difference at all how that mass got to that speed.

[@shadowstar68]

@ Which is why you look ahead and slow down if it looks like something like that may happen. It's all about common sense as well as physics. Machines, be it cars or e-bikes aren't the problem. People are.

[@GG-ml3vr]

So much garbage spouted in this film.

[@simonburkeisable]

The solution is ban bad people or idiots from riding e-bikes. If only we could do that for cars too.

[@Ebike-God]

That's true you get people drug driving drink driving cars they don't talk about that do they ​@@simonburkeisable

[@1t_wasnt_me]

@@simonburkeisable and introduce fines for IDIOTIC BRAINLESS pedestrians

[@kilroy314]

this BBC cut is ridiculous meant to scare people off ebikes!

[@alanrobertson9790]

bikes or ebikes going on pavements is scary though. Do you have solutions other than don't mention what I don't want to hear? Mine would be keep bikes on the road where drivers have a road discipline and can cope mostly. Pedestrians aren't looking out for road restrictions, drivers are. As a driver I know where to look and have to be attentive at all times.

[@jonvickerson7694]

How pathetic…. Anything to give e bikes a bad name…wow it really annoys me…🤬🤬🤬

[@MuddyDuck...]

Thanks for highlighting this crime against 'balanced' journalism-a disappointing trend that sadly seems to be occurring all too often nowadays at the BBC ! This program appeared to be driven by a clear anti-eBike agenda, presenting a heavily one-sided, sensationalist narrative that aimed to scare viewers without offering proper balance or exploring how other countries have successfully addressed similar issues. While there is no doubt that some 'uses' of eBikes can cause genuine problems (emphasis on "uses"), the program missed an opportunity to provide a nuanced discussion. Instead, it chose the easier option of fearmongering over constructive analysis. 😔

[@MuddyDuck...]

Having just got back from a few more days spent in Cambridge, where high numbers of bicycles regularly encounter high volumes of tourists and local pedestrians - I was making notes, as we are hoping to retire there. We mainly walked everywhere (from sunrise to late evening) despite the cold weather, but also got to try out the brilliant Cambridge Busway (on foot, hired bike and bus) - check it out, what a game changer ! Although I fortunately didn't see any accidents, there were some near misses - but ALL from PEDESTRIANS stepping out into bus lanes or roads. When I asked one of the bus drivers about what he thought about cyclists, he said that there are always some idiots (especially some food delivery riders). But his main gripe was clearly with lack of road awareness of tourist pedestrians. He also mentioned that he and a lot of drivers cycled to work, and that bicycles in Cambridge had been around a lot longer than modern buses !

[@MuddyDuck...]

So our latest trip only helped to reaffirm our plans to retire to the Cambridge area, as one of the main attractions is the ability to shift from car dependency to cycling for health and lifestyle reasons. That said, I do think food delivery riders should be required to display prominent ID labels on their bags so that dangerous riding can be reported more easily. Surely this simple step, would help improve their safety and accountability?

[@bonnie115]

Yeah, lets get the delivery riders off those horrible e-bikes and back onto motorbikes or into cars. That'll be better for all of us won't it.

[@paradisekohchangstyle2150]

Yeah. It will be better for pedestrians, especially, who expect the pavement to be a safe place to walk. The cheek of them, eh?

[@standardtuning4guitars423]

its funny some people complain about out of control immigration and ebikes but are happy to sit back in their homes and request a pizza to be delivered to their door by a ebike riden by an immigrant because they are too lazy to walk to the shops.

[@alanrobertson9790]

A simpler solution would be that bikes or ebikes go on the road. No need to bad them.

[@alanrobertson9790]

@@standardtuning4guitars423 Asking for something legal does not mean you can't complain about illegal things. Your logic does not work.

[@paradisekohchangstyle2150]

@@alanrobertson9790 They ARE illegal for pavement use... You must use them on the road only. So that's working out well... Little Englanders always behaving like spoilt children and then wondering why things get banned. So yes, there is clearly a need to ban them because arrogant owners can't be arsed to follow the rule of law.

[@HRLopes]

I love my e-bike. No pollution, no petrol costs, gets you around quick. It's all around one of the best things to have happened to transportation & the environment.

[@Flutterby-W]

No pollution! Get real fella...How do you think it was made...by elves?

[@garymangan2761]

Nice .i want one. Any tips

[@Moshimulations]

@@garymangan2761 250W, no throttle, Torque Sensor and with a 12x3 gear transmission by Shimano/Sram and Vbrakes. I would also look at the larger wheels equal to those of regular road bikes at 700CC or 26.5 Inch wheels. No fat tires either especially if you are expecting to use it on the roads over 85% of the time. Suspension isn't really needed, you can use rigid body to help gain a little bit more speed. Make sure that the motor is near where your pedals are rather than at the wheel base to help with acceleration when battery dies.

[@iantankwasp2023]

Remember the news about elderly e scooters hitting pedestrians, the problem is the education for pedestrians, remember the green cross code look left and right then left and right again if all clear cross the road so more needs to be done from pedestrian education and walkways even if it means a barrier of some sought to stop pedestrians just crossing over bike lanes etc

[@ChrisJohnson-pd4hh]

Actually in UK it's look right first not left. After all when you step into the road traffic is approaching from your right not left. Unfortunately pedestrians young and old are increasingly stepping into the road without looking left or right. Just down at their phones.

[@agfagaevart]

alas, that code hasn't been taught for years! hence the idiots who just walk into the road without looking.

[@lawrence-sheard]

@@agfagaevart it was taught when I was in primary school, as was cycle safety - they had external providers come in and deliver practical sessions where they took us out on the road to practice both walking safely and cycling safely. that was only just over a decade ago, although with all the budget cuts it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't taught now...

[@howardwoolford3122]

Ni, pedestrians are the most vunurable road users and treated with care

[@anthonyroach7974]

You right about that

[@simonburkeisable]

Sad anyone got hurt by an ebike, but you could do a TV show every hour of the day on every channel about people killed in or by cars.

[@jazpaulallen2409]

More bikes less cars Less fear mongering more reality 🙄🤙🏾

[@Anders-s2c]

You need to act against the 100s deaths caused car,vans and lorry's and motorbikes,or are ebikes being targeted because they help people who can't afford a car to get to work or get exercise to help there health.

[@danieltesfaye8517]

That’s the whole conspiracy. Like when you have an e bike in a heavily built up area like London. Then a car becomes a massive scam. That’s why there is always anti bike agenda and more recently in this documentary anti e bike agenda. Motor vehicles kill 100 people just in London which is nearly the same number of people being murdered in London by all sorts combined, it’s called motornormativity. If people are going to ignorantly say London isn’t safe because of knife crime and women can’t walk home etc. most women are killed by their own partners and most murder victims know their attacker. Most victims of road traffic collisions don’t even know their killer and are completely innocent minding their own business.

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

That's the reason. Wanna price you out of driving and not even give you an alternative

[@danieltesfaye8517]

@@orderofmagnitude-TPATP There is an alternative, which is cycling or using an e bike. Cars are a scam for the poor and people don’t want to admit that they are wasting thousands of pounds on a year on an asset they use 4% of the time. For a working class person that is a lot of their salary. Working class people should be voting for more active travel and shouldn’t be forced to own a car and to have more disposable income. But the media brainwashed the working class people to believe that not being be able to afford to run a car isn’t their fault. Owning a private car is an option for a lot of people but it’s seen as a requirement to live comfortably, which isn’t true. You’ve been lied to.

[@HoratioChinn]

Like many things it's not about lack of laws, it's about people abiding by them and enforcement of those laws. People can buy illegal bikes and get away with riding them like an idiot because they know they can get away doing so. Some police seem to be targetting more the use of illegal bikes but you just need to stand outside a McDonalds and you can see every Deliveroo rider is on an illegal bike and others just fly through red lights as if they don't care about getting home tonight without first getting a lift in an ambulance. Reporters just lump together e-bikes when in the vast majority of cases they are referring to electric motorbikes. The only law changes I can see would be to do with the sale and supply of non road legal bikes and kits but the excuse would be they are still legal to use on private land so doubt we'd see any changes.

[@Ritte13]

Cancel your tv licence

[@ModProjects4306]

@@Ritte13 did that last year after realising I was supporting a left wing paedophile ring.

[@phillipwilliams4674]

Not had a licence for well over ten years now, and I don't miss the BBC with this sort of drivel!

[@harold6863]

Cancelled years ago. I don’t want to support or be brainwashed. I only saw this on my feed and watched it for a laugh 😂

[@iamrocketray]

250 watts is ok if you live in a flat area Norfolk etc, but is hard work in hilly cities like Bristol. I don't see the problem with higher wattage if the assist cuts off at 15.5 MPH(20 mph would be better). I read that the Government is considering upping the max to 500 watts which is far more sensible. E-Scooters are more dangerous because the little wheels are likely to throw you off if you hit a pothole. Basically E-Bikes are like normal bikes to ride except they go up hills better. And with me being 75 with a damaged pelvis they are my only option.

[@darrenelbrow5144]

It’s torque that gets an e-bike not the wattage of the motor

[@iamrocketray]

@@darrenelbrow5144 I can assure you that a 500 watt motor gets you up hills better than a 250 watt motor. Why do you think they restrict you to 250 watt? It's so you can't go zipping along at 30 + MPH like they do in the American e-bike vids. Our e-bikes are just normal push bikes with pedal assist, the Yanks e-bikes are sort of between mopeds and electric motor bikes although they are turning up on our roads, but you risk getting done for no insurance, no MOT and getting the bike confiscated and they look so obviously illegal.

[@HoratioChinn]

I don't see them changing the limits on legal ebikes. The changes suggested in last years consultation were opposed by the bike manufacturers and industry bodies. I read somewhere that it was a bit of a mystery where the consultation originated from as the last government weren't really pushing for changes.

[@iamrocketray]

@@HoratioChinn that sounds about right, but I'm seriously considering swapping out my 250 watt motor for a 500 watt one, because I'm old(76) and struggle up some of the hills in Bristol. I built my own e-bike and most don't even notice that it has a motor.

[@badabing8884]

@@HoratioChinnapparently it was because we left the EU and that’s where the current rules come from and the old Govt. Wanted to “differentiate” and show we are “taking back control.” It was a nonsense consultation.

[@peter04345]

I agree with the man from the Telegraph it has not being thought through. How many pedestrian do cars kill while they walk on paths. Only 70%of car drivers speed. And if the car does not knock you down their emissions will kill you. And last point cars are never used in criminal behaviour. Shame on BBC for this presentation.

[@marklucas8110]

In 2023, 407 pedestrians were killed by motor vehicles on British roads, which is a 6% increase from 2022. An additional 18,749 people were injured in road accidents in 2023. Here are some other road casualty statistics for 2022: Car occupants: 781 deaths Motorcyclists: 354 deaths E-scooters: 12 deaths The number of pedestrian deaths on British roads varies from year to year, with 2017 seeing the highest number of fatalities at 470, and 2020 seeing the lowest at 346. Motor vehicles are involved in around 99% of fatal collisions with pedestrians on pavements or verges

[@bonnie115]

Why are they showing speeded up footage at 14:28 complete with scary, dramatic music? Oh yes, it's probably to give a balanced presentation of how useful and safe e-bikes are.

[@BenjaminCasson-p5c]

Ebikes are a threat to big car manufacturers hence a lot of the demonization. Almost free transport doesn't contribute to the economy, but also doesn't pollute the atmosphere.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@BenjaminCasson-p5c as well as the motorcycle and bicycle industries.

[@danieltesfaye8517]

Exactly, it’s the same reason why motor vehicles and its drivers aren’t demonised for having a death toll higher than murder which is what people are afraid of from brainwashing in the media. When you are on a bike you realise how dangerous cars are when you are nearly killed by them everyday. But non commuter cyclists and non cyclists won’t understand how dangerous cars are and will never be able to get new legislation to protect vulnerable road users from cars. Car manufacturers are losing money to china right now and losing to e bike manufacturers. EV’s are taking over and the car industry is going to shrink because they cannot sell ICE cars anymore. EV’s are going to become cars that only middle class can afford. The main problem with EV’s is when they age the battery degrades over time and the EV losing value. Then when the battery degrades, it needs to be replaced. A new battery is worth £10,000 plus, and it will have to be replaced every few years. This will price poor people out of the market. With ICE cars that problem didn’t exist. Poor people were able to get their hands on older cars that didn’t need to be £10,000+ of compulsory work done to it a few years down the line. With ICE cars there was no expensive obligation to do. You could leave it broken it will still run anyway. But yeah, the car industry is also threatened by the fact that young people would rather ride bikes than drive cos of the cost. You can get nice e bike for the cost of insurance for one year for a dinger car. What would you get? The nice car of course

[@foppo100]

My brother has two E Bikes in the Netherlands.Not cheap 3 grand each.But what a way to cycle I have cycled whilst i was on holiday at his house.But proper cycle paths and where he lives Teuge to Apeldoorn a proper cycle road.Its a different world for cyclist than the UK.

[@neilfields5914]

The only e-bikes allowed without a license are pedal assisted with a top speed of 15mph. So someone is braking the law selling anything else.

[@jpross68]

you cannot buy an illegal ebike on the cycle2work scheme. You may be able to buy a legal ebike which could be modified to make it illegal (but I guess any ebike could be modified to make it illegal) So more lies. BBC where is the balance in this doc? Let's be very clear. The most dangerous vehicle on uk roads is the private car

[@agfagaevart]

He conveniently didn't mention there are approved sellers on the C2W work scheme. you can't just buy any old ebike from China.

[@robertwren8878]

Why is this country so old fashioned and left behind other ambitious countries? I mean you dont need an Ebike to steal a handbag or phone do you? Government can get vat on bikes but after that nothing and here lies the anti E bike!

[@velokernow3696]

Finally I'm directed by algorithm to to something that interests me! I watched this the other evening and have been pondering how they found the footage of the chap being run over (after stepping straight into the cycle lane), and decided to show it. For balance they should do a program about cars speeding. I see this every day and with the majority of cars. Its even taken for granted there's a 10% lee way!! As for the guy reaching a whopping 28mph so quickly? His motorbike will be way faster than that. And, look at the damage if a bike hits a car!!!! What a joke this whole program was.

[@doncastervrandvideo8956]

I ride my ebike on the road, cycle/pedestrian path, and for narrow fast dangerous roads I do use use the pedestrian paths now for good reason, having been knocked off my bike now on 2 occasions, so the choice is obvious, I would rather suffer a fine riding illegally on the path than end up on the mortuary slab, the magic word here is being courteous to pedestrians by ringing your bell or telling them your coming through, wear visible clothing, the main culprits here is the lycra brigade who ride in packs taking up all the road 2, 3, even 4 abreast, they sould not put fashion before saftey by wearing dark clothes, see and be seen, simple people!

[@ModProjects4306]

@@doncastervrandvideo8956 the main culprits on the ebike front are delivery riders.

[@doncastervrandvideo8956]

@@ModProjects4306 You cannot discount other bike riders no matter how the bikes are powered.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@doncastervrandvideo8956 the laws are made in London, the lawmakers see how the delivery riders ride these e-bikes, then all of us are tarred with that brush.

[@steveedwards8490]

Get off the pavement and stay off the pavement!

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

i love how he claims how terrified he is about riding those ebikes in the woods yet he has turned up on a high powered motorcycle capable of speeds over 100mph?????. This documentary has put a load of rubbish into my parents heads about ebikes.

[@timberry4250]

The part where they talk about e bikes being heavier and harder to brake neglects to mention most e bikes have 4 pot disc brakes which are better suited for the heavier bike

[@ChickenboneJohn]

A traditional all steel old-school roadster would weigh about 45 lbs, and a modern e-bike about 65lbs. That's still a lot lighter than the typical 150-200lbs of a 50cc moped/scooter. Going on about the weight of ebikes doesn't consider that the fact that the person riding the machine is by far and away the heaviest part of the system.

[@imzadiwhite4778]

An ebikes stopping distance is still much better than a cars.

[@tjwood51x63]

Almost every point people made was a point that could be used against normal push bikes. And the guy that got hit and died, they mentioned that the person riding the e-bike was going downhill, it wouldn’t have mattered if it was an e-bike or a regular push bike

[@clovermark39]

Make bike lanes safer and seperate from pedestrians. They should not mix.

[@iamrocketray]

Where I live they have painted a yellow line down the middle of the pavement and painted a black bicycle sign every couple of hundred yards and they wonder that cyclists clash with pedestrians.😮

[@SuperZELDAK]

Adrian would have a meltdown in the Netherlands and Belgium 😂

[@imzadiwhite4778]

7.5 minutes in and that ebike popping a wheelie is driving without due care and attention. it is also something I see quite frequently with teenagers on conventional bikes doing as well. The only difference is they are pedalling, they are still not proceeding with due care and attention. I've also seen motorbikes doing the same going down our main street in town. It's not the vehicle, its the idiot riding it.

[@grandrew1]

That was quite depressing viewing - at least they avoided the 'all e-bike batteries catch fire' angle, I suppose

[@pipleo6313]

Im in my late 30s though a few years ago got hit by a nasty illness that will slowly decline my health from now on. I thought id never have the energy to cycle again until i got an ebike. Im never off it and can get away camping and to take in the quiet countryside. Without my much needed fresh air and freedom life wouldn't be the same. Its also allowed me to continue working which is a big bonus

[@SimonHollandfilms]

ebikes got me out of the house as a older man. i need a powerful motor and a low speed throttle to help my mobility up hills. i dont want to go FAST but i need low speed torque. ebikes are great but they are not designed to assist properly ....cut speed but add power. for safety.

[@ModProjects4306]

Can’t agree more about the low speed torque. I’ve been arguing about this on my KZbin channel for a while. My Engwe Engine Pro 2.0 is a torque sensor that works so well with the bike that I’ve removed my throttle.

[@kevinhodgson2085]

Luckily people dislike Adrian chiles even more. As soon as they see him they'll not be listening. Probably changing the channel.

[@shadowstar68]

I think that part of the problem here is that media like the BBC either accidentally or disingenuously fails to point out that the law already regulates e-bikes. An e-bike or to use the proper term EAPC -Electronically Assisted Pedal Cycle has a motor that MUST meet the following requirements: Must have a maximum power output of 250 watts. Must only be capable of propelling the cycle at up to 15.5 miles per hour. EAPC's are not limited to this speed, once the speed gets past 15.5MPH the motor cuts out and the speed is limited by what the cyclist can manage (on a good downhill I can get up to 24MPH - on a 30MPH road before anyone asks). Any bike who's motor exceeds these requirements is classed under UK law as a Moped or Motorcycle and MUST be taxed and insured. Source: Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance on gov.uk website It's dangerous that the media continues to tar all e-bikes with the same brush.

[@austinsideburns]

Awful... Completely biased. Nothing on how ebikes provide mobility and remove barriers that were there before. and nothing about how they are part of the solution.

[@simonburkeisable]

Dominant form of travel?! Must have missed that for all the cars that are everywhere.

[@fatyowls]

There are rules in place already, they're not enforced simple as that!

[@alanrobertson9790]

Agree, the simple solution is that bikes or ebikes don't go on pavements. That's already the rules but they are not enforced. Then people in the comments section think bikes on pavements is a right.

[@fatyowls]

@alanrobertson9790 It's common sense, young children yes, but not adults. The police are almost useless at everything they're supposed to do, but again mostly not their fault. They've had their teeth pulled and let's face it if you need to attend university to be a copper then something is definitely wrong with the whole system.

[@iamrocketray]

@ I was riding my eBike on the road(a narrow road) and traffic was building up behind me. Drivers were shouting at me to get on the pavement!😮

[@alanrobertson9790]

@@iamrocketray If there were no pedestrians around, the pavement may have been a pragmatic solution but otherwise people cannot order you to break the law. If I'm a pedestrian on a pavement and I see a bike coming I will usually make some space. Sometimes it better to cooperate.

[@iamrocketray]

@ I was brought up in a time when the local copper would give you a clip across the ear if caught riding your bike on the pavement, and worse still he would tell your dad which would double the punishment. I'm no goody goody but I don't ride my eBike on pedestrian only pavements, full stop.😵‍💫

[@nnnn-mn8ud]

Bet he gets even more nervous when he sees a bottle of vodka 😅

[@ModProjects4306]

😂

[@antzhowell2278]

Its illegal to drive a car without a license, uninsured, un registered , without a valid mot and not whilst under the influence of drink or drugs but hundreds of thousands of people drive everyday ignoring all of the above 🙌🏿 just increase speed of ebikes to 20mph (maybe a cbt cert so the gov can make some money 😂) and ban them from busy pedestrian/cycle paths. Wronguns will be wronguns but dont penalise everyone.

[@MickyBee73]

Totally agree, they could make it so we can ride an E-bike of any power rating, so long as we're willing to do it legally and pay tax & insurance. Why is ok to ride fast motorbikes, and drive fast cars legally, but not e-bikes? We all knew changes were coming, it was always inevitable, but they aren't going about it the right way I don't think. 🚲⚡👍

[@antzhowell2278]

@MickyBee73 you can already get them taxed insured etc if they fall outside the law, my argument is if I need to get it taxed insured etc I may as well buy a motorcycle. We need maybe a class system like the states

[@MickyBee73]

@antzhowell2278 We need some kind of system, so folk can ride without worrying that if they get stopped, then their E-bike won't get taken off them and crushed.

[@iamrocketray]

@ What changes LOL, They haven't changed anything since we left the EU 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@gonperes]

Just ban the illegal e-bikes and all the cars and motorbikes that exceed the legal speed limit in cities

[@garymangan2761]

Anyone have info on the entry level e bike from decathlon

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

mine isnt exactly legal but i don't throttle and keep my speed around 20mph and i've never bothered anyone.

[@cwork5485]

It's still illegal.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

@@cwork5485 I know, i feel 20mph is a much more suitable speed for an ebike though. It lets you keep up with traffic much better in town as well. It’s a 250w kit with a 48v battery that I just removed the limiter from. Does around 20.

[@cwork5485]

@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 Then pedal faster 20MPH is not hard to achieve or get a licence, insurance and a moped licence and ride an electric moped. I'd like to drive at 90Mph, but it's illegal so I don't. We can't just chose to ignore rules that we don't agree with.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

@ I live in the Forest of Dean there are hills around every corner. Nobody in my town rides a normal bike because of it all I see are ebikes.

[@azy6868]

@@cwork5485 But you can bend the rules responsibly. And that's what our friend here is doing. Why not lighten up and stop being a little minded control freak. Chill out, take a break from all that raging and righteous indignation. Stop stressing about things you can't control you might live longer and enjoy life more.

[@DelticEngine]

Why not control the importing of ebikes and prevent them getting onto the roads in the first place? While I agree with a speed and power limit, I'm not sure about the rules about throttles and pedals. I think that, provided the speed and power limits are complied with, use of throttle-only should be permitted. It's not allowed because that would, technically, make it a moped. I do think it would be helpful to have registration, in some for or other, for ebikes to bring with them some sort of accountability and responsibility. Maybe something along the lines of the ham radio licence, or the old dog licence? Every ebike would have a unique identifier and the owner had a licence with the matching number on it, including their driving licence if they had one. This would have the advantage of allowing higher-powered ebikes to be legally owned, operated and insured by people with appropriate entitlement on their driver's licence. It would also make it much easier, compared with having no identification al all, for a stolen ebike to be returned to its rightful owner.

[@truthnotfeelings]

15:54 TLDR this is the pedestrians fault you can see they are not looking where they’re walking. Their head is down and they didn’t look left or right. They teach highway code to children. Yet the BBC wants to show it and frame it like it’s the problem with E bikes, when the problem is the pedestrian is not looking left or right. If you cross the road without looking left or right and get hit by a car, is it the car fault? Should we ban Cars? I don’t live in London so don’t know if that is a cycle lane, which would make it more egregious Wouldn’t this be the pedestrians fault? You can see that they are obviously not looking left right and they actually have their head down? It’s also raining so visibility is low yet this person is walking out of what seems to be a pedestrian designated area into a cycle area without looking left or right Yet the BBC frames it to try and fear among the pedestrians like this is a eBay fault when if you walk through a pedestrian lane to a cycle lane and don’t look left and right yes you might get hit by a bike because there’s a period of time it takes two break.

[@ModProjects4306]

@truthnotfeelings like I said in the annotation … why was someone filming at that exact money?

[@phillipwilliams4674]

So many people looking down at their phones while walking, isn't it about time the BBC did a film asking for phones to shut off when they detect that they're moving above 2kph?

[@truthnotfeelings]

@@phillipwilliams4674 right

[@andy-the-gardener]

the video title is accurate. in spite of cars killing and injuring millions, totally ruining the world and one of the biggest cause of global warming, the bbc would never do a program demonising cars or even suggest they be restricted or banned. i'd never say the bbc were a mouthpiece for the motor industry though. even though they make top gear, the most famous tv program ever made to normalize and glorify car use.

[@oilburner225]

Around here e-bikes are not a problem, rarely see one. The major problem we have is gangs of youths riding noisy dirt bikes, no tax, no insurance, no number plates. I live on the edge of the Brecon Beacons, not only is there a noise issue but the damage to the Beacons. Police or Council are not interested. I’ve seen these gangs riding past a police station numerous times taunting the Police, I’ve been knocked over whilst out walking. Reported to the police, not interested.

[@Skonp]

Media will do anything in its power to turn down on alternate vehicles. In Romania for example they demonise e-scooters for being bad on the road. But on the flip side the only thing that's bad is the infrastructure. You can't have both at the same time.

[@garyjones122]

I converted my 6 year old sons bike, 20" wheel kit and 2 makita batteries, it does 20mph and has a range of 10 miles. He absolutely loves it

[@BigDuke6ixx]

The BBC are obsessed with cities. Out in the stick, ebikes do no harm.

[@TheLion-b3h]

E-bikes are getting the elderly far and away from health risks and heart attacks…!? But inline for traffic accidents and criminal offences..!? Pros and cons…!?

[@steve00alt70]

The WEF is getting desperate. I just hate how they ignore motorcycles and pretend they dont exist. Motorcycles are everywhere, I ride a gearless bicycle and motorcycle. Why are they treating the ebike like a scary motorcycle?

[@humza890]

15:14 Small correction here. As part of proper road cycling training, cyclist should leave a doors width from parked cars due to that exact scenario of a car door suddenly opening. If a door opens last minute, unfortunately they aren't always able to avoid it. This is an issue for all cyclists, not just ebikes.

[@raymawm]

13:41 Once again, similar to issues like knife crime, HM Revenue & Customs has not done a great job in actively addressing the illegal import of throttle e-bikes from China in the first place. Shipping companies like FedEx, DHL, UPS, and DPD should be prosecuted, and the products should be seized during Customs checks. This would ensure that these illegal throttle e-bikes cannot be delivered to doorsteps, preventing anyone from purchasing them.

[@Greyalien587]

im a fat fuck tbh, if i didnt have a ebike i probably wouldnt bike as much. i lost a couple kilos because i dont use the throttle and only use level 3 out of 5 except in crazy hills.. love them. engwe ep-2 pro

[@drservices71]

Totally agree, it's a very badly put together programme. There should have been 2 very clear sections, 1 about LEGAL ebikes and 1 about ILLEGAL NON Ebikes to show the difference, i.e throttles, no pedals etc. They allow garbage like this then wonder why they are failing and people don't want to pay their fees anymore?

[@dredfxcustompaint]

And another thing its fine for a 2tone tesla to go from 0.60 in 4 seconds thats fine on the roads isn't it 🤔 i think i would rather get hit by an ebike Thanks 👍

[@Winstern1984]

The delivery rider that ran into the child went through a red light

[@wesstarmedia]

If you want to cut cars/pollution, then E-bikes and E-scooters are the way to go. Make them max 500w, if on pavements, then crawling speeds only. On road and cycle lanes 20mph maximum. If specs exceed 500w, then have on the spot fines, etc. I've got one and suffer with asthma, they are great for commuting and keeing fit.

[@ModProjects4306]

The 500w is a moot point. It’s the controller that defines the wattage of an ebike. All cycles are illegally ridden on pavements and pedestrian areas. … and I’d be happy with 18mph and a fully working throttle.

[@wesstarmedia]

@ModProjects4306 Yes, it is indeed more complicated than simply stating 250/500 Watts, etc. 18mph would actually be a good compromise and is fine for cycle commuting. As regards pavements, so many of them where I live (solihull) have cycle signs but are actually unsuitable for cycles and padestrianisations to share. The result is that cycles that 'crawl' on pavements are ignored.

[@christill]

I did see this on the TV schedule and thought about recording it; but decided against. I was pretty sure I knew it would be as bad or worse than other similar previous shows on e-bikes or e-scooters that have graced our screens. Based on these comments, I made the right choice to skip it.

[@UserUser-vo2ky]

Crack down on the people that use ebikes for crimes, crack down on the people that ride dangerously through pedestrians, don't crack down on the law abiding people that just want to use them for getting back and forth to work quickly and safely. This government is a joke and is the laughing stock of the world.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@UserUser-vo2ky I’m not going to disagree on any of those points.

[@fzr400rr100]

Yes, in modern day London it's the e-bikes you need to be afraid of. I've learnt if the BBC says it's bad you probably want one, oh wait.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@fzr400rr100 😂

[@pasha12343]

Christ this country is scared of everything 🙈

[@truthnotfeelings]

16:12 is this even real? Genuinely? I was on a local cycling network and an elderly lady didn’t hear my bell and so didn’t move and I was still able to break with more than a foot worth of space. Going faster than this dude was. How did he not break or swerve? Is this real?

[@ModProjects4306]

@truthnotfeelings weird right?

[@truthnotfeelings]

@@ModProjects4306 it’s crazy the level of propaganda, likely funded by car companies The bbc has been whistle blown for bias on many occasions

[@lawrence-sheard]

delivery driver was probably distracted looking at their phone. phones are often the cause of motor vehicle crashes, so it stands to reason that they'd be the cause of bicycle crashes too. that video clip is less an indictment of e-bikes (the same thing could happen on a push-bike), and more an indictment of mobile phones...

[@truthnotfeelings]

@ great point

[@SKBKER]

bbc what do you expect . Never focus on the real killers on our roads .

[@davidpalk5010]

Only problem is all the rule breaking. Most of the electric vehicles on Britain's roads are now unlawful, and the minority lawful ones are often used on pavements or taken up one way streets the wrong way. E-scooters, cheap Chinese conversion kits bought online, over-speed and throttle hacks, unlicenced electric motorcycles, etc. Why is nothing being done about any of this?

[@ModProjects4306]

But what about the legal ebike riders I hear you ask? This is exactly the mindset the BBC want you in.

[@drservices71]

When deliveroo started, we used to have to go out for an hour with a Supervisor or some sort wh oasessed your riding before agreeing to allow you out on your own. Given the problem that Deliveroo and Uber created of Rented Accounts, this is definitely part of their problem but i'm sure they will find a way around any responsibility. Deliveroo will only check IF you admit you are riding an ebike! Same way that most are driving cars in other places when they are meant to be on a Bicycle account so they are operating illegally,

[@kingelvis]

27:08 This is exactly what will happen. There will be a media campaign following an incident that will lead to a major crackdown on the bikes that are illegal. Similar thing happened with scooters and there are few on the streets now. I have noticed people still riding them in the dark when they are less likely to be stopped though

[@losbastardosmtb]

Jobby jobby jobby More sense in my last sentence than any old Karen complaining that bikes are dangerous .. there is cars on every road every minute of the day DANGEROUS 🤷🤷🤷

[@andyhumphrey9351]

Nothings changed from 30 yrs ago. I had a racer used for work etc. I went 35mph on the normal Rd. Downhill possibly 45mph.

[@RealCommando]

This is one of the few things that makes me happy of not living in EU or the UK... here in Latam we simply have no rules... 😅

[@ModProjects4306]

@@RealCommando 😂

[@Ayra84678]

U can have a throttle only bike but it has to be approved by the DVLA I have a serial number on it

[@badabing8884]

DVSA

[@simonburkeisable]

I can go 45-50 on a road bike going down a steep hill. Is that illegal?

[@robertclivejones4400]

I am an owner of an E bike, and I like to think that I'm a safe rider. However people seem to think, that the vehicles themselves are dangerous. I have news for you, it's not the bikes but a minority of inexperienced, or completely clueless / careless riders who don't comprehend how powerful these things are. Also, it might be a good idea to bring back the cycle proficiency lessons and test, back in schools. Teach some basic proper behaviour and certificate them to operate basically all cyclists, and to be careful and safe on the roads.

[@andy-the-gardener]

most of the problem with ebikes and the british hatred of cycling in general is because the british are so car centric and entitled. they mostly consider them childrens toys to be outgrown, and an inconvenience when they have to slow down a bit in their car, so are surprised when they come across anyone riding one when they are walking. if pedestrians simply tried a bit harder to be aware of their surroundings and didnt constantly block paths and pavements with their assortment of kids and dogs it would help. even on multi use bike paths car drivers, i mean pedestrians walk around in a world of their own, or like they own the entire path, and seem miffed when they have to step a little out of the way to let a cyclist past. but they are incensed when a cyclist holds them up for 2 seconds when they are driving. and i find it funny that motorists complain about food delivery cyclists. who is buying all this takaway food anyway, that they expect to be delivered cheaply and quickly. mostly car drivers.

[@swenpaterson7172]

100% correct!!!!

[@markcovell572]

I am a professional corporate fleet courier who rides an electric omnium cargo bike and rides the central london circuit. Yesterday...I felt the whole eye of london on me as I worked on circuit. This is the worst panorama program I have ever seen in my entire life. Very poorly researched by a biased, polluting beeb journalist ( has been polluting all his life) who has no idea how to ride an ebike. Totally obsessed with trying to prove that ebikes are more dangerous than cars who have 95% of the laws and 95% of space protecting them... I will never watch panorama again...pure shit...

[@markcovell572]

I also fucking dare you to spend a day working as a food delivery rider or heaven forbid...my job

[@HRLopes]

Holland is a clear example that e-bike work. It’s your council that doesn’t. Make safer routes for what will the permanent thing of the future, e-bikes.

[@ianewen6339]

What i find annoying is ......as a mature rider who lives not in a big city , but stays in a small countryside community. Some of my trails and routes would be classed as remote Yet my freedom to choose assist over 15 mph 20 mph or higher is dictated by the laws for heavily populated city's. I have always respected other trail users who hike and walk dogs . So why should my freedom to purchase a suitable powered e-bike that suits my needs be restricted by the law , because of those riders who don't respect others .

[@davependragon1]

I have a standard road bike and have reached 53 mph downhill and on the flat my speed is around 21mph so what are they moaning about.

[@colinwellman9480]

Not sure the programme got it right. All illegal ebikes ridden by criminals or not are illegal and deserve to be banned. Legal ebikes whose riders go through red lights or don't show caution on shared paths also deserve criticism. For the rest of us they are a good thing. Cheap Chinese batteries do pose a risk of fire but if you charge them outside then it minimises risk to you and the building.

[@imzadiwhite4778]

If they are worried about speed have they honestly looked at how fast a carbon fibre road bike can go?

[@joorbombas336]

getting sweaty is a fitness and skill issue I had a UK legal e bike and all I can say is I can go much faster and with less effort on a analog bike just because I dont have to pull that extra weight past 15.5 mph.

[@ModProjects4306]

@@joorbombas336 good for you. What about those who are less able?

[@joorbombas336]

@@ModProjects4306 I think the ebike law in the UK should be changed to allow speeds closer to 22ish mph. It would just make more sense to me atleast. At the same time yeah I get that 15.5 might be better than not riding at all for some people.

[@ModProjects4306]

@ I’d be happy with 18mph.

[@robertmulhall1634]

Take mobile phones away from pedestrians,so they LOOK what's about them.

[@terryhayward7905]

E-bikes are not the problem, in the same way that EV cars are not the problem. The problem is the lack of infrastructure, Not enough bike lanes as there are not enough chargers for the cars. The UK is just not interested in making the roads more modern and safer. The woman complaining about e-bikes is walking right down the middle of the road, what does she expect ???? Use the damned pavement woman.

[@heiltvilt]

I´m curious, how is those bikes vs the full suspension bikes from Trek/Specialized/canon dale etc.?

[@JC-un4bg]

The 15.5 mph speed limit is ridiculous

[@small-timegarden]

Convenience for criminals is not a real reason to hold back e-bike use. Same can be done on a non-motorized. Just regulate. The ppl are riding them needbto have discipline, not the bikes themselves. Also, pedestrians ought to respect bike spaces

[@garth62]

I love my bike, ebike and motorbike for different reasons but issue is more riding in pedestrian areas. It is illegal to ride any bike on a footpath or pavement so this is where the main problem arises and ebikes ( legal and non-legal ) become the centre of negative attention.

[@reinori8322]

I'm sorry, I just could not watch this all the way through. The bias is just too blatant, and the presentation is overly sensational.

[@WhiskeyGulf71]

Good old BBC, so far behind the times they make Victorian Britain look modern & catering to such a tiny minority of narrow minded people.

[@ecocentrichomestead6783]

What is disgusting to me is that people don't want to admit they are the problem. Food delivery: the faster one can go, the more s/he earns. But with personal ethics, those riders can go slower. Ebikes should have power cut off at legal speed limit. And they should never have cruise control! What idiot thought cruise on an ebike was a good idea? Wrt power, though, some situations require more torque and thus more power without requiring higher speed.

[@ModProjects4306]

What about people that aren’t part of the problem, which is the majority of us