U.S.-China Symbiosis: A Conversation with Joe Tsai

Feb. 14, 2019: Joe Tsai, co-founder and executive vice chairman of Alibaba Group shares his views on these important questions. The United States is the world’s dominant power, and China is the world’s rising power. The relationship between the two countries will be the most important international and geopolitical question of our time. Are we headed towards a crisis? What can the two governments do to avert years of cold war and maintain peace and prosperity? How does this affect businesses and the peoples of these two countries? Sponsored by the GPS 21st Century China Center
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[@orangutan324]

There was Eric Li and now Joe Tsai. Who's next? Chinese are marvelous.

[@pengning305]

Mr. Tsai is so wise and insightful.

[@murin7185]

Just a businessman

[@Wunderpus-photogenicus]

Joe Tsai, you are the Man! Bravo!

[@shanliu100]

So, this old lady who seems a little slow in the head is basically saying, after the smart dude compared the 100 years of shame to rape, she say the rapist is alarmed that the victim is now talking about the rape as a very anti raping kind of attitude. Classic pirate logic.

[@donnyli1792]

Joe's direct answer shows his sincerity.

[@alliesteamc3546]

Very important contribution! Joe Tsai is terrific for a better understanding of US China relations!

[@Jack-gg5kf]

Joe is a man both Chinese and American should respect

[@dhh5217]

great insight

[@lindenlee3705]

Great respect to Joe Tsai for speaking the truth about China! As for the lady moderator who is supposed to be the ‘China Expert’, it clearly demonstrates why there is this impasse in the relationship between the two countries.

[@marylee4510]

She was so surprised that Joe was able to study the China history growing up in Taiwan school. So she think Taiwan will be teaching another version of the history?!

[@kenny0626]

Joe has arguably contributed more to the US China relationship (or bridge the gap) than so many frontline politicians on either side. So Much insights and context no matter which side you are on (if you do have a side)

[@kayhuber7855]

well done MR Tsai

[@tycobb2072]

Great interview very insightful

[@jonhone1]

wow! Joe Tsai is so good in his talks 👍

[@user-hp2bm2wy7e]

Joe's talking is so insightful. I do agree with his interpretation of China's National Rejuvenation This guy is truly wise and cool-headed.

[@johnsonzhong6967]

while the host was obviously not familiar with the topic.

[@kickyadick]

@@johnsonzhong6967 I mean, I can’t really recall any host that’s different than this lady. They are mostly all clueless and biased.

[@lion4228]

wisdom man

[@leonluo4061]

Joe Tsai is a smart man who is provided a balanced view.

[@shuyuye2505]

Love this guy. So much wisdom

[@eyeamraj]

I have heard many speakers yet never so correct and exact in his words and conclusions so dispassionate in his approach to Chinese phenomenon its advancement all around

[@zefengc]

蔡说“我不同意你的假设”的时候，老太太的笑容都僵住了🤣🤣

[@garysiow]

I am a fan of Joe Tsai! I agreed with him that China has been widely misunderstood in the West.

[@johnsoltan965]

Yes, the west has not understood the CCP yet after so many years of misunderstanding. The west now started understand it is a cruel and brutal party which does anything to make it look GREAT.

[@alfong8279]

Wow, what a great interview. Great questions and right topics and preciously informative answers. I hope at least one person in our un-diplomatic department and at least one republican got a chance to watch this, thanks!

[@SC-bc2yh]

Insightful and fair discussion. Better than Oxford union’s debates just for political correctness

[@xiao-rongpeng9804]

I agree with him completely that communication is a major issue, due to both language as well as culture differences for China and the West

[@nmew6926]

60 years ago, Chinese cheer Mao: " Van Shui" which means Long Live A french media purposely mistranslate it as "1000 years*

[@user-se3ip3of4s]

蔡很中立，赞！

[@deviolet4915]

Very fair

[@shumr]

anyone here after one year of the upload date?

[@yangqch]

Yes, anything changed？

[@youlegelin3520]

哪都能看到你哈哈

[@changfuli]

91树先生

[@kickyadick]

又把你活捉😂

[@davidchizhande9971]

whats up with the quality

[@briancousins3101]

Skip the first 8 minutes of introductions but what follow is very informative and as current in July 2021 as when recorded almost two years ago. Tsai, a Chinese resident of San Diego, is one the principals of Alibaba (bigger than Amazon!). He faces aggressive questions from his UCal-SanDiego interviewer & helps explain why the Trump (now Biden) geopolitical campaign to decouple from China is bad for all.

[@tuw2528]

Amazon has revenue 4 times larger than alibaba

[@michellej8230]

After 2 years , listening to this dialogue becomes more interestingER LOL

[@mikhaillindan9091]

Joe is oustanding, brilliant guy

[@007seeyou]

A wise man

[@ducaleadan39]

I Will Maintain Chain Program And National Legal And Country Development consultants As I Can

[@ceciliagarcia1395]

OK I'm a 73 years old Canadian-Chinese granny love yoga , But took so much time. How can AI benefit me with doing Yoga on behave of my health benefit ?

[@linhai69]

This dude is right on target!

[@gingermintrose]

23:00 - I find it a little disturbing that Susan Shirk dismissed the Chinese psychological trauma associated with a century of humiliation. As a task force in 21st-century US-China relations, I perceived her antagonism regarding Joe Tsai's explanation of the Chinese's mindset regarding the national trauma embedded in every Chinese. Tsai called it a "renaissance" rather than the West's translation as national rejuvenation. I do not see any dark connotation about national rejuvenation, but rather for what it is. The cynical interpretation is not warranted unless you perceive the other as a challenge, a competitor inferior to you.

[@lukeliu9558]

how did this lady become a professor ??!!

[@ahkoy973]

Great interview with a good insight, particularly in relation to misunderstanding as a result of literal translation...

[@skyfan6354]

Video start at 10:40

[@nckumem5383]

it is unusual a western person is willing to chat with Chinese on the same level with respect.

[@MrDJmovement]

Synergistic Symbiosis Strategically Strengthening Sisters

[@narinphatsimon2697]

Schön ❤️❤️🙏🙏

[@deedeemao6809]

Wrong sports in San Diego, think in terms of boards...

[@gingermintrose]

59:00 - Good for you, Joe Tsai! I feel Susan Shirk is biased coming into this discussion.

[@jac8086]

Dissatisfaction from who? Apple,Tesla not happy? Two way street, America always wants one way and their way. That's not going to work

[@w.z.6062]

The moderator is biased and ignorant, even though she worked in China before and wrote things about the fragile power of China. My respect for Joe Tsai. He is knowledgeable and eloquent.

[@miyazou873]

This grandma is so shallow and arrogant. She didn’t even respect the guest. How can she even be there to host this?

[@humgarchaun]

^^ Chinese people love Taiwan Province ^^

[@aaronliu7258]

我原以为作为教授对于问题的看法会更深刻很明显我错了。蔡说民族复兴是为了不会再叫国人感觉低人一等不会再被西方凌辱，特别提到了西方对“复兴”的翻译以及对近200年中国屈辱史的了解。她还要把复兴理解为antiwest,蔡回的很好 这就是你的妄想？被人打了就不能在自强起来？被人打了就应该被人打？还他妈的战略研究

[@robertblomberg1863]

Westerners even the presidents and the adviser team are influented by the biased media with lots of fake news and selected news

[@taijistar9052]

There is this tradition in the west that the interviewer has to challenge the the interviewed on at least some viewpoints for its viewers. Some of the viewpoints are not necessarily the interviewers.

[@bigwhitedwarf]

i dont know abt this professor. clearly, she doesnt know china and she is heavily biased. this is very unprofessional of uc San Diego.

[@MsOpineminded]

Joe is too accommodating. US really needed a bigger slap for a wake up call. I get worried listening to the host who says she's been studying China(she sounded so conceited...scary) Americans tend to cherry pick what they prefer to see. You have to really spell things out to them like children They believed there was a slow down in things in improvement in China...what a shock they got end of year to 2020 when China not only turned around the Pandemic quickly but kept the economy firing and then introduced a host of leading tech, new space station, even faster HSR etc etc. Americans believe in their own delusions to their detriment. Hubris. This is the big danger for the US. There is also porous understanding of the way China is governed. Even Joe seems foggy. The success of China certainly wasn't simply due to American or foreign generosity in business alone. Clearly some very smart people are on the helm and the political system has enabled them to be harnessed to the maximum for benefit of the country's development. The benefit of the system is long term planning and execution, consistency where the US is bereft of this, subject to complete U turns every election cycle. How would the world take its word and trust it to stick to agreements it can renege at will on a wimp? Americans still can't see this defect in their system. It continues to deliver where trite publications like the economist or (Cough) Gordon Chang continue to predict its demise year on end for over 2 decades and counting Americans really need a paradigm shift in critical thinking to truly understand what they are up against. Right now they are boxed into their simplistic black and white dogmatic view of the world, and their own zero sum game conclusions.

[@qake2021]

👍👍👍👌👌👌✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻

[@jawaidmanzoor4396]

Sone said "Brick specialists/others say common sense revolution. The art of partnership with the bigger winner. Technology is an asset/not solution. The biggest accident of age is back to the old/ know to play chess. Who is winning?

[@darthvader4209]

Seriously, does Susan Shirk consider herself as one of the most influential experts working on US-China relations and Chinese politics (as she so claims on her UCSD profile)? Reference Sun Tzu’s Art of War, “know yourself and know your enemy, and your victory shall be complete”. At best, she only knows the American psyche, and probably predominantly the Democrat’s side of it.

[@adamng7526]

Well, that’s Americans arrogance.

[@jackartistry]

Two years later, it just looks like it's become worse. Disappointing for humanity.

[@ducaleadan39]

Every One Who Needs To Promote Or Wants To Support us Without Religion Interest Welcome

[@chenglitang98]

Joe Tsai made a fortune from China while now semi-retired and established his family in US. Actions speak louder than words

[@MrClaudiuzz9]

Yup. I agree with you. Even now he’s running Alibaba out of America after his friend Ma was forced out by the CCP.

[@litesp]

@@MrClaudiuzz9 Jack Ma tried to run a bank without government regulations, oversight, or regulations. If allowed to go forward, he could have done tremendous damage to the Chinese economy. Imagine if the US government did its job instead of allowing and helping Wallstreet bring about the 2008 recession. You'd never hear these truths from western media.

[@litesp]

Despite his envied position, he spoke the truth about China instead of shitting on it like Gordon Chang?

[@zhouchen3004]

这个才是人类高质量男生

[@murin7185]

你对小粉红不够理解到位

[@peterwilliams7335]

There should be a law set up for against anti-Chinese like the one against antisemitism protecting the Jews to protect the Chinese in America.

[@blee04524]

Please be my dad

[@rogelee-TW]

14:50 68000 US companies, 600 billion revenue, 40 billion profit in China.

[@kaliskunkog2255]

American business don't like competition. Those numbers are small from their perspective. They want it all. They want china to be labor and that's all.

[@aybee63]

Must be difficult knowing that every time you step out into the public arena you're every word is being scrutinised by a group of shadowy figures!

[@isorokuyamamoto8423]

the moderator was a "China Expert"? lol

[@boknows8263]

I don't even know the word "Symbiosis" lol

[@SC-bc2yh]

共生

[@zhenmeilin3313]

China 🇨🇳power and rich County

[@nckumem5383]

Ms Shirk is friendly to Chinese and knows China to some extent, but she has to voice in the main flow as other guys.

[@peaceal3398]

US need more younger people to take leadership. That old lady is too old has open mind. She looks like living in the 18th century!

[@papapadremike]

If you are weak, you will think every outside power is a threat. This is what the past China is thinking, and this is what the current America is thinking.

[@rogelee-TW]

Russia, 130 millions people, loose 600000 per year.

[@zhenmeilin3313]

China good and Not poorly So it

[@tuw2528]

Even he says China is still a developing country 😂😂😂😂 I thought China had matched America 😅

[@tinatang1]

In terms of percapita income, China is one-sixth of America but in terms of PPP percapita purchasing parity, Chinese people are better off.

[@tinatang1]

Sorry. PPP means purchasing powet parity.

[@tuw2528]

@@tinatang1 so if China buys a barrel of oil from the Middle East, it’s cheaper for China to purchase than if an America buys the same barrel of oil? That’s why PPP is not a good indicator.

[@jac8086]

Only criminals worry about retaliation

[@user-qe7fv2vo9x]

@59:10 "what about Chinese American, like my wife who's born here? Is she a threat?... slippery slop"

[@ducaleadan39]

I Don't Ready To Tell Something About That If You See Chains peaple Who What Your life Style Take Them but Don't Tell Me That. This Case Is Not Something Can Be Discussed Wisely Peaple. This Is Not Something Can Two Countries Can Discuss Is Out Of Topic According to international Relations Between In World . Take Thomas Silent

[@duinay3]

The interviewer thinks that China may want revenge after a century of humiliation - I ask, and what would be so wrong about that? I guess from her imperialistic perspective the rapist should get away with the crime

[@alinazang6651]

As is why Japan was protected by the US from having to pay war reparations or even apologize to China, Korea, Indonesia, etc.

[@litesp]

The US dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. It wasn't necessary for the surrender. The US wanted to scare the USSR.

[@justinlim2274]

Just saying Tsai is more qualified to be a professor hahahahh

[@sc7102]

Think of the possibilities that he is actually Shameless ! 不要脸 ！for what he said. And worse of all those audience actually were taken in and weren’t aware that he had a lot of self interest stacked on him for his opinions. Ask him to give up his Canadian citizenship and assume a Chinese one if China is so great!

[@lynyoung6071]

I think he's American citizen.

[@alinazang6651]

He was never from China, he is Taiwanese.

[@josealbinosantosnogueira6013]

Spain is not a poor country. It has a (nominal) GDP per capita of almost 40.000 USD. It's a wonderful country!

[@MrClaudiuzz9]

Spain has a lot of economic problems though. From years of restrictive business policies. You guys have a very high unemployment rate. GDP per capita is useless if it’s hard to find work.

[@josealbinosantosnogueira6013]

@@MrClaudiuzz9 True and the Pandemic has made everything worse in countries which depend on tourism like Spain, Portugal (my home country, Italy and Greece. Still life in these countries is fairly good for most of the population and the poor are entitled to health care and food (food banks are aplenty). Besides, many homeless could stay in shelters but they want to because in the streets they can scrounge for a handout (many of them when asked if they want food instead they insult you) and besides they don't have to stick to the strict rules of the shelters, namely curfew hours.

[@gangshan]

We need rational hostess like her.

[@litesp]

She tried every which way to frame China in the most negative light. Joe Tsai told the truth without being confrontational.

[@tedchyn]

一山不容二虎

[@zhouchen3004]

也不符合博弈论

[@davidwang9231]

He has huge business interests in China. He could not possibly speak against CCP

[@superchargerone]

strange... why is agreeing with something that works and is generally good... a bad thing? So in order not to be a sell out you must disagree with what is good? hahahaha shite for brain you have.

[@IAX1126]

You don’t so you can. So what?

[@deedeemao6809]

Another guy that knows he was lucky

[@jimmyji8339]

it's interesting how little the grandma know so little about China in an Institute studying China~ basically they just can't think from another aspect~

[@gangshan]

Recent mistrust didn't emerged until Trump playing politics and blaming game, with help of Taiwan separatists.

[@litesp]

No. US interference in China goes way back to after WW2.

[@ducaleadan39]

This Is Not Socail Media Program Talking By World. It Is Shameful

[@oilenglai4128]

China = 1.5 X 10⁹ concept USA = 1 concept Understand this and you will get the difference, everything in between is extremely similar

[@ducaleadan39]

Don't Wants Our Conflict AndTo Mobilize Both Our Government And Our Community to Cut Your Presences and Weak Relationships between us.if Yes Have Continue And Say We Need Chains Children Using Smot Pones . I Surprised Why Do You Mention Me That You Want Our Children .

[@JYYP-jz7qq]

damn hes one hot asian billionaire look wise.... no homo though but you don't see a lot of them and im asian myself

[@edisonlee7246]

Joe Tsai--韭菜

[@jiqiao711]

he lose the conversation.

[@benhuang7580]

who is this host? she's utterly unqualified and unprepared.

[@pascalpoussin1209]

Around 10:00 she's introduced.

[@murin7185]

Why

[@oxdevil]

if he can cut down the ..."uh..er...uh .. ha..." a sign of his line of thoughts not so smooth...

[@vincentho3964]

You speak Chinese ??

[@kickyadick]

You can speak Chinese then?

[@superchargerone]

hahahaha you mean native engrish speakers do not go uh er uh ha? Do you know who speaks without these? conman, slimy sales man, slimy engrish politicians and business people out to steal. They are so polished in their lies or reading off a script that they do not need to hesitate to think. When lying is second nature or a script is well practiced, you do not naturally go uh er .... So.... cut this dude slack, he is not a professional speaker, and the format is Q&A and he is sharing his sincere views. lets hear you speak in similiar context and see how well you do. We will know if you are sincere or a trained lair or conman reading off a script. give link to your videos.

[@wangxiao5000]

how many "wu mao" 's here? so much~

[@yiliu7743]

If the definition is people who disagree with you.

[@lightening1296]

Here's too sophisticated and too complicated for you little brain. Go to China haters' channels and find your dream home.

[@litesp]

You're not even worth a penny.

[@aSJTU3035x]

这个人不是无知，就是无耻。

[@user-fn2gq9cd9e]

我挺好奇你听得懂吗 如果听不懂 我可以给你提供字幕或者翻译呢

[@He-do5el]

你他妈是阴阳人吗，听不懂就骂人

[@kgan4733]

轮子无脑

[@kickyadick]

反贼垃圾 说你无耻都轻了

[@goodkanga2275]

英文都不说，也配跪舔美国佬？

[@hjw2405]

Shallow discussion. Waste time. A lot time is wasted on non essential stuff.

[@tuw2528]

CCP propaganda

[@ysfma755]

ccp’s running dog.

[@litesp]

Owned by Wallstreet?

[@SY-jq4yw]

A spokesman for CCP, he has to.

[@omkazn]

Except he’s from Taiwan, an island the ccp has promised to reclaim, so I am skeptical he would be extolling the virtues of his would be conquerers

[@Iiheosnjabskidbxbd]

This guy is a beneficiary of democracy with a Canadian passport but kowtows to autocratic China! Where is basic humanity on him?! So disgusting!

[@qave]

oh you poor fool

[@leonidaslazos6828]

Ofc if you're a business man you normally bow to China. And he is an ethnic Chinese, so it makes sense. he also possess Taiwan (roc) passport so he could be considered as a Chinese national

[@boknows8263]

you need to be open minded. So many big international companies are doing business in China and making a lot of money, including Mercedes-Benz, Audi, BMW, Apple, Starbucks, Nike, GM, Ford etc so you will call all those guys disgusting? you are too dumb to separate business and politics.

[@sr3093]

So much humanity about BLM, middle-east bombing and CIA-orchestrated coups in South America, Ukraine, arabic countries, Hong Kong, all around the world

[@timlee6971]

As a white Nazi and supremacist shouldn't u be in a German prison or executed? Or a Filipino whose country was raped by usa Why are you a beneficiary of democracy and human rights you obviously hate. Where is your basic humanity and sense of shame? Filipino was a country so invaded and women used as sex slaves for us troops. Yet u so willingly embrace western culture? Why the hell do u even adopt a Filipino sounding name. Shouldnt u rename urself to Donald trump and play American sports only?

[@enterprisecloudnative8757]

What a joke. Joe Tsai doesn't know China. If he did, he wouldn't run his company with Jack Ma to the ground. His company's at the cross hairs of the CCP even as he simps. BABA has tanked more than 50%. China has a strategy of attract, trap and takeover. Tesla was courted before but now running into big problems.He confuses the Chinese people vs CCP. The Chinese people may be entrepreneurial but the CCP will ultimately take the fruits. As eloquent as Jack Ma? Jack's mouth is what got him in trouble.

[@litesp]

Jack Ma tried to run an unregulated bank that could have seriously damaged the Chinese economy. Imagine if the corrupt US government did its job to prevent Wallstreet from causing the 2008 recession. Trap and take over is what the US and other colonial powers do around the world with sanctions and regime changes. The west is pissed because the CPC won't let corporations influence policies as the 1% own western democracies.