"Uber Lilith is better than any boss in Path of Exile" - Going DEEP with Alkaizer

[@Benzil_infinity]

Unironically these two sound like best bros, talking shit about each other from their memories. The best streamer interaction so far.

[@Ahilliard44]

No surprise. Quin and Alk go waaaay back

[@Martin_Hermann]

@@Ahilliard44 Never seen them interact with each other live!

[@vembdev]

Yea didn't really expect this lol.

[@Ahilliard44]

@@Martin_Hermann i don't watch any streamers live so i wouldn't know either way hehe. All i know is that these two were the top dogs along with Kripp back in the day. Quin and Alk used to party up all the time if i remember correctly.

[@weizhen77]

Totally agree!

[@thasky504]

love this because its so hard to actually understand alks true thoughts underneath all the memes and shittalk lmfao

[@Sinnick11]

I grinded with Gabynator once and he only said one word to me in 30 hours. I told him i couldn't grind anymore and i needed to sleep and he responded, "Casual".

[@Tornado8]

holy Baseg

[@Time-yo5mw]

and now you're here and he botted XD

[@AdamMcInnis01]

It's nice to see Alkaizer do another talking stream. Wish he posted this on his KZbin Channel. Cheers guys.

[@Xandr_Nekomata]

He will never do this )

[@smenkinsa]

well he's still getting exposure from here which is a positive

[@denizgul9074]

Quin and Alk are the best streamer duo tbh. Banter, entertainment and skill (alk)

[@dbrtomusa]

This made me spit out my coffee ... ! (alk) hahahahaha true, but still hilarious cause who is better than the GOD GAMER!

[@ddstar]

(alk) lol

[@renocide1]

watching these two interact is the best thing ever , playing even better

[@greyb5511]

@@ambridge6645 *WOODY JOE! quinPsycho! 😂💀

[@HughMongousPC]

except when they say dumb shit

[@canine_coach]

This has to be the dumbest guy ive ever heard.

[@JK-jw3po]

I laughed my ass of at 1:23:00 That's basically content for at least 4 years at blizzard xD

[@Cornell90]

Depressing to read comments like these. :> u one of those losers who donate to these people? bet u are hahahaha

[@Grapejellyification]

I love these long chats, both of them so far have been great to listen to

[@cackscrew]

These interviews/podcasts that you have been doing are great. I am a new consumer of your content and I would tune in for more of this type of content

[@InfoRanker]

Alkaizer is a legend

[@n91312]

any dude with weird hair and dumb takes is a legend now?

[@savic1984]

The more i watch him the more i hate him.

[@yodaTVmedia]

True

[@agz4370]

clown

[@kylekilgore291]

No

[@SirLynX93]

Probably one of the most enjoyable coversations I've listened to on Twitch in a while.

[@Cornell90]

Says alot about you as a person.

[@SirLynX93]

@@Cornell90 I hope that is ment in a positive way

[@mellymel9547]

I don't normally care for long interview type youtube videos, but I watched this one all the way through. Says a lot about how engaging these two are together. Great video.

[@Gumpax]

Thanks to the editor for releasing a lot of content lately channel is becoming really good :)

[@ninjaghost860]

weird listening to quin without asmon pausing and talking every 10 secs. but im here now :D

[@o.w.i.m]

Damn, you two.. or rather Quin makes me feel ancient. Alkaizer comes across as a possible contemporary though. Growing up playing computer games on various Commodore's and then with the rise of Nintendo consoles.. getting my first PC sometime around 1991-2 if memory ain't railing me, well I guess I am comparatively old as F now. Still recall having to type out and input all the key-binds over and over for games and other such nutty stuff to this day and I was just a filthy casual. There were LAN Computer clubs/associations back then that one could join and man was that a trial for a dyslexic kid when what one needed to do to join was fill out ones application on a keyboard that had the keys variously removed or the markings scratched off. That was like around1994-95 and my first experience of multiplayer Warcraft and Warcraft 2 LAN, just prior to the Internet café explosion, takes me back.

[@RuecianGray]

Yeah i don't get it. I am 34, probably close to Quin's age. I grew up playing NES and i was playing Warcraft 2 on windows 95 when i was like 10. He seems to think that stuff is even older than it actually is. It probably feels older to him because he just didn't have that stuff in his house growing up so he though of it the way i would have thought of an Atari. Like some antique, when in reality it was only a few years older than the NES.

[@o.w.i.m]

@@RuecianGray Heh, yeah I guess.. Commodore and Atari though that was ehm like my first experiences of Computers as a Kid. My Grandmother had an older brother who was a bit nutty about tech and specifically computers. The expressions filled to the rafters and hoarder would be accurate to describe that wonderful old fellow. So I caught the bug early on one could say. :) But true, the evolution of computers was really fast so just a few years could make a big difference in different peoples perceptions.

[@colemansworld]

I love this video.. thanks for sharing the conversation. I appreciate both of your opinions on ARPG's & Gaming in general.

[@Jakawuuuuuh]

This video has awsome sound. i really enjoy these random "pops" when Quin or alk talks. Very nice!

[@sparktite]

In like 2005 as a child i learned that the best way to balance a game that has classes is to aim to overtune on your class changing patches. Rotate through each class starting from the worst performing one. Basically you get an alpha class immediately that ppl hop to to try out. The next class gets updated and it becomes the alpha. Youve now got 2/X classes that perform very well. All the meta players will hop around while everyone else can enjoy their class taking its turn being the worst class by not that much for one rotation per cycle. I was 15 when i learned this lesson via watching someone else learn the lesson. (On a side note, yall ever been body blocked in a game? Yeah counterstrike figured that shit out a decade ago and ppl still dont even know thats a thing)

[@wildwilie]

I dont like comparing Poe launch to D4 launch. Poe was made in a garage, D4 had thousands of people work on it for years from one of the biggest gaming companies. Even now, would be surprised if GGG has spent more money on poe and the current cost of development of poe2 then D4. Its probably not even close! For poe to get all these new leagues with something like around 20-30 people is crazy.

[@jakubmucha6629]

Even crazier it will be to compare D4 to PoE after, let's say, ~5 years.

[@Rizzerio1]

When I think back on Alkaizer and Quin, I remember 2 words. "Physical now".

[@FireSwordable]

It's crazy that Max from Liquid, same guild Ben plays in, also says the same thing about Ben as Alk. That dude is just insanely good at games.

[@raymondcai1553]

I could watch this all day omg. Please do more of these discussions :D the chemistry is real ❤ ❤

[@berkertugrul9055]

I really like this going deep with streamers thing. I think quin can make this into a once a week thing where he just talks randomly to other streamers.

[@pepegthepig]

Amazing conversation, you are an incredible conversationalist for a cooked unit :)

[@UnknowGuy100]

gigachad editor leaving the bit where alk shits on him at the end lmao

[@zergie5801]

I enjoyed the wow chat, I was a prog dps in classic, healer in expansion and MT before I quit, with some world firsts. MT has a difficulty about it but not in the way you understand, MT in prog raids, the tank has to be flawless. They have to be flawless every pull, because he needs to let the raid learn and beat the fight. I used to heal a tank who was literally perfect, and had the best gear in the world. He taught me to be flawless. As the main tank healer, similarly, you have to be perfect every pull for the same reason. I'd equate end game healing and MT'ing to speed running, or roguelikes, where you run it til your eyes bleed, and it becomes muscle memory and you could run any fight almost with your monitor turned off. DPS on the other hand is a sweat lord realm, and theres always a few players who are just straight up better than everyone else. Top deeps always deeps. Love this call in content, all these cats are cool. Alk is right but wrong on one thing, of course D4 Season 1 will beat all else, because its all the cut content that is supposed to exist between 80-100, held back for first exp. 2nd Season is when the rubber hits the road, and looking at the main game release, probably gunna be dogshit.

[@michaelfinn3622]

Be honest though.. the MT and Healer were actually the best dps, they just never got to do it. 😂

[@zergie5801]

@@michaelfinn3622 True Story

[@murf8041]

These recent videos with Alk, Steel and Mathil have been top tier content

[@PavoDvojak]

I like that they have uniques, but they should have limit imprints on weapons and jewelry. Or only jewelry and have uniques that are kinda hard to find.

[@Grumblymuff]

Alk and Quin became best friends

[@DiablozStyx]

I love this, these two fit perfectly.

[@nbraun80]

I know it's a lot of memes but the uber lilth part was pretty odd. So because his build struggled with it and made it a challenge = a great fight, even though many other classes and build trivialize it. PoE bosses aren't as good because the most optimized OP build trivialize it, even though lots of builds that aren't top tier struggle with them.

[@savic1984]

I agree. I thought he was kidding. I see nothing special in that fight at all

[@Siegram999]

I generally didnt enjoy any of the pinnacle uber bosses except maven and uber elder I really wish they would make conquerers more interesting

[@Junesoyeah]

2H of quin/alk content holy moly

[@NTTTTTT52]

2:06:50 Quinns most fun time in PvP was Diablo Immortal

[@tony-cotterellis]

I'm with Alkaizer on the Elden Ring take. DS3, Sekiro and even Bloodborne all felt like more focused and complete experiences than Elden Ring. It's still an incredible game but there were so many times where it felt like they made the map too big and didn't know what to put it in, sort of like Dark Souls 2. Still think it's one of the better open world games ever made, just not one of the best Souls games ever made.

[@xo_plasm9507]

real meeting of the minds here, very excited

[@we_are_at_war]

This one was the best so far

[@boyfoe]

Uber Inarius, Uber Andariel, Uber Duriel… what else?

[@TheHollowBlade]

with d4 being big open world live service game its a perfect opportunity to really open the gates of hell and legit bring back every single iconic boss from past games, diablo, meph, baal, azmo, shit even dudes like ghom would be sick, Maybe make the big boys like diablo as ubers and all the lesser evils are kinda like butcher where they randomly show up in certain end game areas or whatever.

[@anthonygriffin8463]

Faith in blizzard has proven to be quite useless but yea would be sick.

[@irrelevant12]

saying uber lilith is harder than any boss in path of exile is like saying that is harder to hammer a nail with a banana than it is to unscrew with a toolbox. The statement is right but for the wrong reasons... It would be easy for GGG to say from now on resistance no longer work and bosses have 100x hp of whatever the maximum dps available is. Then hurray we got our desired difficulty.

[@Demonlord468]

The only game that done Thorns right was Grim Dawn except they called it Retaliation instead of Thorns but, the exact same idea and concept but, they made it work in fact for a while it was one of the strongest builds you could make my miles.

[@Vashna]

I love Grim Dawn and have 100% achievements in that game. I like the Lovecraftian horror elements and the lore, particularly the Greco-Roman mythological themes (like Zeus and company killing his father to take the throne, like the child gods did to C'Thun in Grim Dawn), and ideas they borrowed from other Old World cultures (many seen in the Forgotten Gods expansion.) I also think they did a better job of having a variety of distinct factions at odds with each other so it's more Game of Thrones than black vs. white. Diablo's "Heaven vs. Hell" concept is cliché at this point, and there's no impetus to resolve the "Eternal Conflict" because then they'd have no story left to tell so players can expect there will never be any real resolution in the franchise. Meanwhile, Grim Dawn has the blood cultists of C'thun (their version of Cthulu), the Aetherial invaders (who seem to have their own hierarchy and internal factions), the Three Witch Gods (who have an interesting backstory for how they actually obtained their power, and how their machinations to exploit the player to achieve their own goals), multiple conflicting human factions that tap into military (Black Legion), religious (Kymon's Chosen) and necromantic themes (Order of Death's Vigil), and even a cannibal cult that worships some lone wolf beast god. The great thing about Grim Dawn's lore is that the "history", "backstory" and "tales" of many of these gods and figureheads are hyped up or presented one way to the player, but the truth is usually something different, like in real history. It's not so much plot twists, but a portrayal of how people build religions, cults and ideologies around personas but for their own agendas. Meanwhile, there's very little to sink your teeth into with Diablo lore if you're into predicting plot turns or looking for deeper meanings. Across all 4 games, the only real "surprise" moments were the end of D2 when it's revealed the robed figure interrogating Marius was Baal (not Diablo), in D3 when it's revealed Leah was Aidan and Adria's lovechild and the vessel for Diablo's return (which was borderline cliché and highly predictable), and in D4 when you find out the black wolf was Mephisto. I will say that the one thing Diablo (and most Blizzard games) have above any competitor is insanely awesome cinematics. The final act cinematic with Lilith vs. Inarius was amazing.

[@theobell2002]

Yes, because Grim Dawn has many abilities and items that add your retaliation damage to your attack. In fact this is required for retaliation builds.

[@sirdabzmcgee]

I wish they just made a chest armor that had an active to where when activated it increases thorn % dmg given to enemy and then passive it gives a set % along w/ other stats like max life and etc. kinda like the Dota 2 item “Blademail”

[@gblessbacon]

Grim Dawn is a brilliant ARPG. I got over 1000hours of joy out of the game

[@gratefulkm]

I was enjoying D4, then I loaded Grim Dawn up and cried for Diablo and Blizzard , D4 is just a phone game

[@twistedumbrella7537]

Dude the "Tank the damage" comment from Quin in relation to parental discipline, I relate, I remember when i got in trouble I learned to put on multiple layers of underwear, cheat codes to getting away with a hiding.

[@grandehefe]

i feel like when they were talking about poe leagues, quin was thinking about the league mechanics and alk was talking about the patchnotes

[@ChaosTyrant]

I am waiting for the day, that necro shadow mages deal shadow damage, scale with it and proc the shadow keystone. And if minion builds are based around lucky hit proc of mendeln, well let minions maybe have lucky hits besides thorns.

[@namhuynh3355]

Alk is such a goodboy

[@D3xt3r33]

Alk - Alkohol (german pronounciation) yes it is a good boy !

[@sanquineo]

This is the good one combo for sure.

[@PiotrMaciejczak]

legit surprised alkaizer as someone that literally rekks uber bosses on ssfhc considers uber lilith this hard. thats pretty pog

[@shawnchia3611]

if alk says its hard, then it must be hard

[@Swiftymoschi]

@@shawnchia3611 but will he say its hard after 3 months?

[@dimkacracker]

lol watched his youtube lilith kill, looks like a braindead fight.

[@Swiftymoschi]

@@ambridge6645 Uber shaper is hard if u did it for ur first time when he was new

[@shanelarsen695]

All you saying its not difficult definitely havent even attempted her once. Its a fight that requires failure and learning many mechanics through pretty much experience. Oh and btw its so much faster when YOU actually do it than watching someone. The waves look slow third person, everything seems slower watchiing someone do something. Its how life works. Go try her then actually talk.

[@ezra4517]

This was one of the funniest interactions I've followed. I'm old gamer like Alkaizer and played all that shit. UN Squadron was my shit too

[@Quakezilla69]

I hope we get a long form video with datmodz and quin.

[@Lucas-lp9kh]

GOD GAMER and quin, what a great duo

[@vembdev]

wtf quin and alk podcast, poggers

[@thefilth7368]

Butcher isn't a hard mechics check though. He's just a straight up gear check.

[@Smokestack82]

Best 3 hours of my week.

[@CloudStrifeXBL]

The 2 diablo GOATs

[@TheLeafyo]

Most people definitely want to slam every boss with no effort and once you let a build like that out, you can't nerf it because people will get super mad.

[@Eametsa]

i dont mind that if its hard to achieve

[@nlgliarmis503]

I like Alk but his mindset of everyone should want to play games the way I like to play games is unreasonable

[@Luftgitarrenprofi]

Barb one tapped echo of lilith too on the bugged bleed build. Druid did it on the bugged poison shred. Both were fixed. Werenado is pretty terrible against uber lilith as well, because of the ramp. I'd argue it's worse than hota barb in that fight.

[@SBHJG]

Alkaizer actually showing some personality instead of being on Autopilot. Grinding day after day I could understand why he would choose to be a continual memer and shitter to chat. Alk is a god-gamer, glad Quin69 can bring a seemingly relaxed version of him out.

[@Honyakusha]

Damn title was enough for me to grab my popcorn, let's see what experts in comment section would say and how much they gonna shit on Alkaizer.

[@wemej4545]

I think the bosses being "dogshit" only really applies to low level content, when you're doing NM Dungeons Tier 75+ you actually have to really play around them, and they do play differently, obviously they're still not that great, but they're definitely more than just target dummies, its just that in low level content nothing really poses a threat at all.

[@Braxtonkai]

The bosses in D4 have one thing going for them, they look great! but....that's it though. The only ones that stick out to me are ones that were bugged or broken, every thing else was unmemorable except how they looked

[@dungbeetle707]

i love these 2 together i dont know why

[@alfred0231]

Timestamps goated

[@Fabinho7x]

people who watch alkaizer every day knows how much he complain about D4 and when he make some legit compliment about the game he is sold out. people cant handle a different opinion these days... if you want to see some sold out opinion go see rhykker. Blizzard doesn't even like alkaizer because he is way to honest on his feedback. love to see alk and quin together. i know quin and modz had some issues in the past but i hope they can interact between then some day, love this 3 guys from D3 days together.

[@jonpro9637]

Rhykker is def a huge sellout

[@bro_1337]

Maybe the youtube editor listened to alk's advice because the quote from the title is in this video.

[@pedropierre9594]

First it was Barb, lot of people played it got it nerfed, now it will be Druids turn to get nerfed the circle of life

[@nmelol]

This was great.

[@XENON3120]

whyi feel all this rare items are in cow level the one thing people don't know anything about yet

[@Anonymous00616]

"Only two things allowed in Dark Souls, attack and roll, all that other shit is for pussies." holy SHIT dude this take is UNFATHOMABLY BASED, Alk literally OBLITERATED Quon and every clown obsessed with parrying even though it trivializes incredible fights like Gwyn and Champion Gundyr

[@Rafiki568]

Alk nailed how I feel as a Rogue in late game. There are No good Uniques, certainly none that are build defining like a Druid. That and there is nothing to do in the late game.. nothing to farm for.. nothing to do. I simply get very bored every time I log in for more then 1-2hrs. Even the bosses in Diablo 4 are incredibly boring fights and are not very interesting looking to boot. If D4 doesn't add loot worth farming for I see a nose dive for this game.. all hype and gone very quickly.

[@MyOpidig]

when u see your 2 best streamer shit talk to each other love it

[@Sammysapphira]

It's really funny hearing D4 dialgoue before "D4 bad" brain rot started

[@JasperDD]

Having a complete game before seasons is not what Blizz was going for. Tbh everything they did is perfect for a game that plans on adding content via seasons and future xpacs.

[@BlurredVision18]

Im 35, I played Virtual Boy as a kid, that Mario Tennis was lit. Edit, ok, I think Quin was just poor, here in a developed country, I was gaming when I was 5.

[@wielkiedrzewo]

I love Alkaizer.

[@jamessawyer8801]

Let's say I have a good ring with the umbral aspect on it (legendary,orange ring), can I still add that legendary gem?

[@unsane604]

NGL 400,000x better than the D4 podcast where Ghazzy would talk non-stop.

[@iiNeKii]

Love the content Quin, great chat Alka ya goat! I am calling this content ShitTalk while KillingShit!

[@dame8518]

this brought back some old season 6 memories, i loved this! side note quinn is a lowkey poe shill

[@-Oittz-]

neither of the two like D2 and say that D3 is better then D2. but both complaining about the items of D4. D2 all they complained about was the potion system, didnt say a word about the item system. know why? D2 item system is far more superior. White items you look for are bases for your runewords for cube recipes. Grey items your looking for ethereal for your mercenary or runeword bases. Blue items your looking for dueling items, run speed diadem, 5/6 battle orders helm, jmod. just to name a few. allso crafting materials (i only use amulets). Yellow item your looking for tri res(not poison) frw boots, fcr rings, 5 tornado pelt. ultra rare eth with repair mod gg berserker axe. if D4 had the same system as to D2 and made it more viable to farm certain objects, like killing a certain type of monster or dungeon to increase helm drop rate, or even a potion to find helms. D4 would be so fun. especially with the pvp zone with so many options with the gear... but sadly its like D3

[@chazfernandes9840]

D4 does increase drop rates based on monster type. Cultists for helms :)

[@-Oittz-]

@@chazfernandes9840 the only reason we would target farm for a helm at this point of time is if we are lvl 85+ for the super rare uniques. there is no reason to otherwise because the aspect can be imprinted. it doesn't help the fact that the items are boring vulnerable, crit, armor zzzzzzz

[@stonecold5373]

werewolf is suppose to be the least best druid build but it looks good in this vid

[@JHemp12]

I think the aspects would be so much better if they provided utility or altered certain skills. I think it's really stupid that they put damage buffs on aspects

[@zachcat6988]

Such a good combo!

[@dezysun9323]

Tbh if I'm at level 100 AND did grind my gear a ton to minmax, if I wouldn't kill Echo of Lilith in 30 sec I would be mad. If you want to have a hard fight then go and play a less optimized build and challenge yourself with that or just delete the game and play a Challenging game, it sucks if after 150+ hours I don't feel like a god and I hate it

[@YutaBLv]

Poe is way too easy, I don't even look at my screen while playing.

[@casaroli]

True. 90% of the time I’m looking at the cursor in the minimap.

[@mellymel9547]

sounds like you're ready for hardcore SSF

[@2.0.1.0.]

Regular podcast with alk please

[@OptimusGrime85]

Can't wait for the Zizaran Interrogation 😂

[@floatinfire4390]

Im planning on playing a blight farming character next league...

[@jviii3086]

Alk x quin is pure gold

[@TheJakebriscoe]

quin literally couldnt give his own opinion without stopping and asking a leading question lmao

[@Mageblood]

flask piano in poe was removed leagues ago... instilling orbs lol

[@XHypergamerX]

Badass Dude

[@sy-ky_buddy4603]

I just hope in POE2 you don't press 1 button the entire screen flashes and things die because the combat is just too much and it's vision clutter, you can't tell what the hell is going on in combat. Im hoping POE2 will let us utilize more skills and such..

[@jun3078]

I did not participate the last 3 leagues for that reason, one button epileptic gameplay with bloated mechanics that basically does the same thing, the illusion that you have build variety but in fact there is only a handful if you want to reach pinnacle content and the lack of cooldowns where you spasm with any skill which you can only scale with speed.

[@johnaldjensen4617]

their combat system is so bad the jank will be even worse if it's slower. i dont see it getting fixed either because they will need to overhaul the entire engine if they want satisfying slow and good combat

[@Deminese2]

@@johnaldjensen4617 Nobody who plays PoE wants giga slow combat.

[@johnaldjensen4617]

god i love seeing poe shills being in complete and utter shambles when their fav content creator disses their game. alk's 100% right. bads just want easy oneshot clickable bosses aka poe to feel accomplishment instead of an actual hard fight.

[@MattDoesLife539]

The ziz one is gonna be entertaining.

[@SimbaXp]

Retaliation dmg builds only works on grim dawn

[@zakar348]

Make a Podcast plz "Quin69 going DEEP with Alkaizer"

[@banishedbr]

Me too alk, that is why i spent 40min in D3.5 free beta and i was BYE trash.

[@DePoRtEd20]

the almighty Gabynator "I got banned but I didnt do nothing"

[@MAMAJUGO]

While offscreening the entire map and oneshotting Uber bosses in the first frame do make PoE kinda silly, I still remember Diablo 3 getting just as silly towards the end, so I'll say D4 won't really be all that different given enough time

[@rpemulis]

silly is fun

[@V8chump]

Power creep is real in all these games. Every update has to top the last. One shotting a boss offscreen seems pretty lame though

[@peterruskov]

That is not even true, first Uber kill in Crucible league in HC took close to a month, Ben killed uber Lilith in a week. People and Alkaizer are talking out of their asses.

[@doom8274]

alk cries about one shotting uber bosses because to him that's stupid that you can gear to do that, but when you call him out on overgearing uber bosses to where it's literally impossible to die to any attack they do, oh that's fine. he's just a big crybaby that wants everyone to play his way because he has a massive ego.

[@memb.]

@@doom8274 Yeah it's something like that. Half of PoE's difficulty comes from knowing how to build... So, as he has it all figured it out, the gameplay aspect is all he sees, which can get very easy when you do have done it hundreds of times. Dont get me wrong though, I do think that apart from Maven, PoE is lacking in boss mechanics.

[@Time-yo5mw]

vulnerable damage is OP, the way Bone spear necro is designed you basically stack TONS AND TONS of crit damage% and vuln damage%. This is why games shouldn't be % based. you gotta have flat stats in there somewhere beyond just the weapon damage...

[@SirDehumanized]

Honestly I give D4 a 6/10 aswell it’s just Mid. Definite Improvement over D3 in allot of areas but there’s so many issues with the game that I’m not able to get whole lot of enjoyment out of it. I think it has potential though. It’s up to the devs to see if that potential is realized.

[@ArnoldsKtm]

Last Epoch was quite disappointing. Campaign was just walking for ten plus hours, and the endgame was dry and uninspiring. The mana issue is insanely annoying, and since that's their vision, it'll stay annoying. Any boss fights are basically walking left to right waiting for mana to regen.