Ugly Glue Lines And 3m | How To Avoid These

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[@troystevenson4038]

Your ability to acknowlege possible imperfections in your technique, openmindedness to trying different techniques in search of perfection, and willingness to pass all of this information on to us just reinforces why I trust you to always give us the best possible advice to learn solid vinyl practices. Thanks Christian!

[@TycoTyrannus]

Absolutely. A pro level installer like Christian being able to acknowledge theres always more to learn and different ways to do things is pro level right there. No matter how good you are the moment you think you know it all is the moment you stop growing. Humble and boss. Love it.

[@Jray1046]

I have the same problem with Avery Dennison Roaring thunder and it’s prostrating how I can wrap it without any glue line showing when you pick up to re heat the film or even just glassing it out. I end up over stretching some parts of it and you can see it on the film.

[@adobomoto]

Dude you’ve been a huge inspiration to me. I’ve learned so much from you and your channel..i’ve been wrapping motorcycles now for a few years and i’ve started posting tutorials on my channel on how to get it done from a non professional diy guy. Thank you so much for the videos and inspiring us small creators to do our own custom vinyl work. Because of you i decided to give vinyl wrapping motorcycle tutorials a shot. So far so good..i’ve been getting a lot of questions and i always try and use your channel as a reference to answer people’s questions. I know you dont do a lot of motorcycles, but i know a lot of us moto guys have used your tips and tricks. Keep inspiring us small guys man!! Im posting a ton more motorcycle wrapping tutorials since they’re doing so good on my channel!

[@scottgillig908]

Hello Christopher. I believe what you're referring to as " glue lines " look like light release steaks. That's where the white backing goes through a release coater where the release is applied. There are many techniques that different vinyl companies use to apply release to the backing. Only in Japan have I seen a fail proof process for applying release. That's why their vinyl products are almost always flawless. 3M, Avery, MACtac and many other manufacturers seem to always be experimenting with different release applications. The Japanese always seem to be ahead of the game whether the product is vinyl, reflectives or free films. I could talk forever about vinyl flaws, some which can't be seen until applied and some time goes by. Direct hot sun light, harsh winters etc. can make these flaws noticeable sooner rather than later. It's just the nature of the beast. I'd love to talk to you more and explain what I've seen over more than 30 yrs. of playing with vinyl. My best, Scott

[@Richard97402]

Thank you! They insist on using 3M at work, and I have been struggling with it. This gives me some information on the causes of the problems, and gives some possible solutions. I wish that they would use Vvivid and Avery, but when I ask why we only use 3M, they say "that's what people want." So I have been trying to do my best. I am looking forward to continuing my wrap on the Dodge Charger, on Monday, to see if I can improve from your tips.

[@TheFrenchMC]

541 Richard because it’s the best made film and gives best results after time and with removals, and there’s near no problems if you know how to install it

[@thebikewrap3376]

Very helpful video. I’m in the middle of wrapping a custom motorcycle tank. My first attempt was with 3M black gloss and I ended up with multiple glue lines! I’m on my second attempt (now using Oracal) and it’s 80% better. Interesting enough I also spoke with a 3M rep who recommended pre stretching / shrinking. The rep stopped short of admitting product fault but did concede that it was a common issue (even for experienced wrappers). Thanks for you’re help.

[@CottonBandit13]

Bro you are the man. I just ordered my first wrap for my Honda Cbr1000rr. If it goes well I already have 8 people lined up and willing to pay for me to wrap their bikes. Ive watched you for a while now and I appreciate everything you do man.

[@spreadhappiness5143]

How did it go

[@datdaytona9174]

bro if you dont amazon prime a mic for your next video i will lol

[@CKWraps]

I already have one, the upcoming vids will be better sound quality again

[@mylesferguson4912]

You should expect glue line with most films wrapping the way you showed first . No glue lines when you layed the film in to place. If you heat and lay instead of heat and stretch you won’t see gluelines. Also minimizing the amount stress on film while glassing is key, if you yank it to glass and stick when you need to lift you have a good chance of getting a line

[@chrisbright5583]

hi CK , do some practice wraps outside in the sun on a warm day . 70 to 75 degrees . the extra UV from the sun will allow you to do all kinds of cool stretches . especially on a black vehicle like the one in your vid . I also do a lot of color changes on semi tractors and that bridging method is about the only way to do extreme complex curves and valleys in fenders , hoods , front wheel side body panels . and I have fond that 3M primer 94 is necessary along all body panel edges or the material will wrinkle and pull back up . and still may lift even if you apply a generous amount of the primer . if you choose to use primer 94 , make sure you keep any material from touching the primer until you are sure that's where you want the graphic . you will damage the glue and the air release feature will fail . when any kind of vinyl material is stretched , the glue is also "stretched" or thinned out . so you end up with less than the factory recommended level of "stick-a-bill-ity" per inch . which voids any warranty made by the manufacturer because of application , not a failure of the material . I have done thousands of wraps over the years , and 99% of the time , I don't get a second chance with extra pieces unless I pay extra for them . I have taught myself how to do a perfect job with the wrong material kind of material in the worst conditions whether I got paid a lot or very little .

[@russ1537]

Are you going to release any videos on the Lamborghini Urus you had in? Would love to see them if you have some. Also, do you have any experience or could you make a video using PPF? Keep up the great work!

[@ROBSOLUTELY]

I'm going to have to try this method. I'm wrapping some parts on my Ninja motorcycle in 3M Envy Green. I love the color, but first wrap was full of glue lines. I've wrapped with Avery before, and love it, but the 3M is giving me issues. I wish Avery offered the same color.

[@caringissharing4525]

hi bro....i just start wrapping my civic fc....half way now with lot glues lines, i hope i can learn from your techniques!!

[@hawkeyestiguy]

Great video! These are some great techniques, but I still feel like 3M film is not where it should be as far as the quality of adhesive they are using. I am not a professional wrapper by any means, I'm not even a weekend warrior, but I feel like an installer should not have to jump through hoops to install a product like this.

[@Twap]

Man this video is going to help me so much in my shop!

[@TycoTyrannus]

Awesome info here. I recently ran into a glue line situation for the first time oddly enough. Im surprised it didn't happen earlier. Avery must be really great at avoiding glue lines. But I think what I did wrong was heating the wrap due to it being crinkled and rumpled right off the roll. Just figured that was the way it is. So I heated to repair the vinyl while it was pinned to car at one end. Then the mistake I think was applying with the glassing technique while the vinyl was very soft and pliable. Is that the case? Not supposed to stretch or glass when the wrap is super soft from heat? Also repositioning by pulling up after heating the wrap and activating the glue was also causing me lines of course. So am I supposed to wait til the film cools down after heating to repair before applying? Or just be very mindful and carful when stretching hot film?

[@jjgloster982]

I'm listening on headphones & at first there was no audio. Turns out there was only audio on the right, I only had my left one in.

[@FAKAMUSHIN]

I wrapped half a car a week ago with 3m 1080 serie , the vinyl is proper shit OMG !! its like using reflective vinyl the glue sticks on the car when you pull back and reinstall.

[@tedlumley4470]

I got 3M Preferred in 2011. We had to wrap a Chevy HHR front bumper in one piece of 380 in 2 1/2 hrs. Not sure if that's still in the course.

[@NoBody-tz4fb]

I can get the wrap no prob, no bubbles either. But the glue lines I can't seem to not produce. Used 3m satin dark grey

[@Roadsurfer2k11]

Will try this on a spoiler top that will be challenging... the top bends slightly but I also have a back lip, front lip and side lips to heat stretch to conform around. I did 2 inlays on the bottom already and heat pushing into the curves worked well after enough relief cuts. Btw my first spoiler using vvivid true CF. The front hood has glue lines but now I know why because many times I had to pull up and heat to get tight wrinkles out, creating tension

[@calvink3081]

Hello ck wraps Does 3m or avery provide a better gloss black vinyl wrap? Which one looks better?

[@pinfarmer]

I'm going for 3m cert soon. I've been trying there new "eco-friendly" 480 mc wrap material. I HATE it. Thin, soft, super easy to over stretch, gives you little wrinkles you can't remove, glue lines galore. Kind of like the 1080. I realize I'm not properly trained just an experienced self-taught. I'll be going back to there older control tac that didn't give me these issues or trying other brands for commercial wraps.

[@chaserchaserspeedracer]

Good example about the application. Could of found a deeper recess imo. Could probably get magnetic material in that one.. I got my ask kicked on a Chevrolet Colorado front bumper the other day. That was more like a crater. Wish I would of had Avery that day. 1080 made me want to quit the gig at one point.

[@isiahslater21]

Common denominator would be to not pull AFTER heating correct?

[@Outpush1]

I did this to recess into my door handles. Works perfect

[@robertfeliciano2043]

Chriss, could you do a sample of wrap over textured surfaces? Thanks

[@bigdaddy741098]

Hey Christian, I've been watching and hopefully learning from you for a while now. I have a car that needs repainting that I want to wrap instead. Sun has completely taken off clear coat and into paint layers but not on all panels, and I cant afford to wrap the whole car, the doors and front quarter panels are in good condition and will be kept silver, here is my question. Do you, or anyone else, think it would look stupid if I wrapped the hood and roof in matt black (or matt carbon) and rear quaters, trunk and bumpers in vivids gloss mettalic psycho blue. What my main concern is, is the rear quarter panel, a pillar and b pillar are all one piece, so that panel would be blue from the rear all the way up over the doors down to the windscreen, with silver painted doors and a black vinyl roof. Sorry for the long msg, but am I the only one that thinks that would look awesome. Also, would it look better to do the front bumper blue? Or black to match to hood. (I tried to merican it up for everyone by not calling it a boot and bonnet lol). Cheers

[@Ghost_-yi6ft]

Thank you for sharing can't wait to see what you learn at 3m

[@hexfoxclaws]

I saw something like this on fespa tv. That world wrap challenge thing and someone was demonstrating on a very complex hood.

[@hexfoxclaws]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6mTfZ5tl6erp5I at 24:20. It wasn't exactly for the same reason but I thought it was pretty interesting.

[@GeenIdee2]

It is nice to overcome a problem I guess, but it kinda feels weird that you need to use a special technique to prevent glue lines that you would not get with other brands. It does not fix "the problem" if you would like to call it that, and if other brands don't have this issue, then I would call it a problem.

[@JuroMalazo]

Thanks for all the helpful info you put out! As noticed by others, audio is only going to the right. Perhaps converting to a mono track for the audio during editing would work better for your videos.

[@MrDJTeasy]

Man, thank you for this Video! I love the Raspberry Blue from 3M an in should bei on my VW T5 in a few Weeks. I have the Film on my Seat Leon an there was a ton on Gluelines. Thanks!

[@LindyBreaksTheStigma]

So you're now teaching the method Justin Pate has been for a pretty long time. Neat.

[@CKWraps]

Not everyone happens to have a membership or access to all of his tutorials. Do you think Justin invented this method? Or he adapted it from someone else and then put it up for more people to see. Very neat indeed

[@LindyBreaksTheStigma]

CK Wraps it's on youtube. No membership needed. Like 2 years ago.

[@CKWraps]

@@LindyBreaksTheStigma unfortunately his channel doesn't have the same kind of outreach with 6,200 subs as this one does at 120k subs. So I thought I'd help out the community

[@dethmaul]

I would have thought glue lines were like stretch marks. Where the UNDERLYING substrate split a little, but the surface stays perfect. But in the other video, you showed us the veins, and they looked 3D instead of divots. Hmm.

[@jose.ramoscaban]

CK, one question brotherman, for DIY in a garage what you think is better Vvivid or Avery? Thanks in advance

[@ATVguy56]

Avery by a mile. Vivid is high tac, so as soon as the vinyl touches the car it sticks hard, where as Avery hardly sticks until you put pressure

[@jose.ramoscaban]

Jotham Thanks man, I’ll definitely check it out

[@_oo_2366]

thanks for the new information. I like to learn, even if 3M with me will not come on the cars. But I'm looking forward to more videos on the subject. sorry for the bad english, translator.

[@DannySteel18]

3m sucks so bad , wrapped a part in matte black 3m and when I lifted the vinyl to pull a bubble out the glue was left on the part... worst vinyl ever

[@dillonhoffman1640]

If I could ask a question though, I learned a lot from watching you work with vvivid and Avery as well as 3m and I know in the past you didn't care for 3m much, but my question is, what one is your pick? I imagine vvivid but I've heard you speak about 3m and Avery in positive ways too.

[@dillonhoffman1640]

Just looking to hear from the inspiration himself, thanks in advance and thanks for the content

[@adiwill_]

what temperature you use?

[@cpr336]

Random question....I have a 2016 mazda3...the interior has a plastic carbon fiber trim inside (textured and matte) which of the vvivd films would match it best ...is it the black carbon or the true R carbon?!?!

[@flyby8049]

Great video man! Thinking about having my Ford Raptor wrapped but I want something custom. Can you help draft up a design?

[@mkm1856]

That's what your local wrap shops are usually for...and not exactly on the cheap either.

[@pinfarmer]

He doens't do commercial(graphic) wraps. It is a different thing. You'll need to go to a sign shop with good installers and a good graphic department.

[@ariesdog480.5]

Basically the way 3m does it there film is already stretched out and you basically hest shrink instead stretching the vinyl

[@alexrista9333]

What vinyl brand do you recommend? Or use most of the time

[@HadesunderworlDomain]

What's the best clear wrap for paint protection for a DIY person to put on a wrx sti?

[@chrysfil9810]

Very informative like always. Thank you 👍

[@dragoslarisatatarus1141]

At the end noth use 3m because is dificult and we don't need someting dificult wen you have the same resoult withaut 3m with anoter product hahaha sorry for my english

[@karlpoglitsch1087]

Been wait for this... Thanks!

[@mars9313]

does this happen on any 3m vinyl including regular gloss colors or specifically the color shifting ones?

[@mlg6992]

Did he say anything about any of the other issues with 3m?

[@phxl]

Like the tiny bubbles you get occasionally that don't push out?

[@luisadelgado6584]

He should of done the front bumper on the panamera with the 3M lol so doing a car 3M is what double the labor cost and hopefully you don’t have a picky customer because you can’t get away with every panel with out glue lines I have done a few and usually flat panels are no problem those glue lines look terrible up close I usually use 3M for overlays or flat surfaces for comercial vehicles only because that film is to delicate.

[@michaelsantori6513]

Have you done a 2008-2013 M3 hood yet? Im having so much trouble with the bubble hood scoop in the middle of the hood.

[@TheRado777]

My car need some body work and I want to wrap the car. Can I wrap the car when is just primer or should paint the car firts

[@mrwrolguy1717]

You can wrap primer its as smooth as a new borns babys ass, take a piece of vinyl and place over the primed surface.... stick it heat it... then remove it... If primer is stuck to film you got your answer.

[@Kris-82]

Good tips, thanks for video.

[@ricardoemile4253]

Feeding everything in is a better way of fitting

[@supbrae4944]

@ckwraps turned your notifications on!

[@mrwrolguy1717]

NOPE...... not using 3m too many other better choices.

[@mkm1856]

🙏🙏🙏🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@dillonhoffman1640]

When you need a 3m cert just to be able to avoid being aggravated with laying 3m

[@fargogemini694]

Does the film ever pull the paint off?

[@Patrick-HD]

yes if it was repainted and the paint-job was done poorly

[@pinfarmer]

I recently watched my boss remove a 8 year old half wrap from one of the fleet vehicles (without heat and never did it before....) It took the clear coat off in areas. If you remove the wrap within its 5 year life span and have it done properly there is no risk. Well, maybe if its a subaru, their paint sucks.

[@rolbar73]

The sound is very very low. The same for the previous video.

[@Alang_492]

I really dont like 3m finish

[@AnthonyMalesys]

Morality : Don't use 3M films

[@rudidomer]

Best way to avoid....use another brand. I always steer customers to Avery or even Vvivid.

[@jamesburgess8364]

You should not really have to change technique from film to film, Avery Dennison is absolutely fine using the first two techniques, I have never come across glue lines using the same technique as you 3m is lacking now

[@twicepast7]

You know your product sucks when they have to send someone over to show you how to get around the problems of their crap product.

[@cekalovic]

Now try your front bumper, think 3 times before laying it down!

[@mkm1856]

Seriously, what did you do with the real Christian? I'm like this close to launching a kickstarter to find where you hid him...3M training now? I get learning + further broadening your skillset, but I swear man..... you've changed man, you've changed. Hahah, hope the training goes well but if you somehow do make the official switch to 3m over vvivid then I'm officially going to search high and low for the real Christian...🧐🧐

[@navfrancis4516]

Mike he’s not changing. He’s just showing his subs how to solve a problem that many installers go through, that’s all.

[@mkm1856]

Nav - I know, I'm just messin around w/ him; I think the consecutive/more frequent 3M vids are funny timing. I realize that he's got lots of vids in the pipeline as is, I just find it funny if you look at the 'all videos' section of the page now lol...transitions from like "NEVER USING 3M AGAIN" slowly into like "how to use tri-line" and "3M how not to get glue lines" haha....Not tryin to actually stir the pot out here, just bustin his balls man, haha. Plus - switching the topic back to the actual video (kind of?) - I think installers are starting to really acknowledge 3M's sort of lack of effort and r&d done in regards to their colorchange film dep't and are getting fed up w them, so those installers are beginning to find their new brands to hang their hats on....Hexis is a big one right now; personally I'm a fan, it's just too tough to get from outside of like Europe at a decent price (esp. compared to those nice discounts on top of vvivid's already super low pricing...). So hopefully people will start to include vvivid onto their shortlist of their preferred films, especially with the new colors...oh man, I've got a full roll of galaxy nardo and a full roll of super hero blue staring me right in the face right now at my place; thinking I'm gonna do it into a two-town flip of some sort...super pumped.

[@AndreyBender]

Man, thanks for your comment! 😁😁😁 Laughed heartily 😅

[@SupremevinylAu]

Heres something to try that goes against what you would normally do with wrapping, wet apply! I wanted to try teckwrap, as a solo wrapped it was way to tacky and the air egress was non existant. Was almost going to throw it in the bin until i said F#$k im going to wet apply it. It installed better then what you can get with avery. Heat and tretch lines were non existant on the whole car and fingers squeegee out without having to heat and stretch. Takes a different skill and knowing what areas to wait to dry out to get it to stick but it worked. I thought next time i have to use 3M i am going to wet apply. If you have PPF techniques then it will be a breeze. I know there is a product called 'SOTT Wrap On' which is a slip solution designed for vinyl that people are using for films like 3M - kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHLUo6WOop6bn5o

[@allmopars]

He looks like seann william scott.

[@royresendiz3611]

Thanks!🤓👍

[@lockwoodvj]

Your audio is only going to the right.

[@ATVguy56]

Don't waste your time and money with 3m you will get frustrated once again when it takes you 3x as long to wrap a car using that 'technique' that even a 3M Pro cannot perfect. 😄

[@martink.9442]

I'm not a fan of 3m. Don't like this film.

[@bryanmm9382]

Every 3m product is bullsht literally every

[@twicepast7]

Yeah, their quality has seriously degraded over the last few years.

[@bryanmm9382]

The products are very cheap and 3m is overprice

[@nasigeo2790]

How to avoid? Simple! Dnt buy 3M lol

[@demetriusjohan5899]

Romans chapter 10 verse nine if you declare with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead the Bible says you will be saved Jesus loves u

[@MrMrGTCS]

Can barely hear ya

[@fargogemini694]

SFC Willis must be you, sounds fine

[@CKWraps]

Upcoming videos will have a lapel mic again so the sound will improve. We had to use a temporary mic for the last 3 vids. It's not the best but should be able to hear me. Could maybe try some headphones if possible

[@MrMrGTCS]

CK Wraps We just like to play your videos in the garage on the tv while we are wrapping.