UK under ‘existential threat’ of ‘major’ war as British Army chief pushes for conscription

[@colin4850]

I was born 2 years after WW2, and I have seen many other conflicts in my lifetime. I have also seen how badly all the different governments have treated our brave young men and women over that period who put their lives on the line. The present government, and I suspect future governments treat the true BRITISH people with utter contempt. If they think todays and future generations will agree to be canon fodder, they are in for a big surprise, and I dont blame them one bit

[@aerdadffd8294]

Good on you, Colin. Totally agree.

[@rogerbodger912]

Awful though it was, ww1 and ww2 led to a period of improved living standards and rights for the working class. We are however, seeing those improved standards and rights being eroded. Social housing, nhs, public transport, public services and utilities. Now we have dog whistling regarding conscription due to our continued aiding a country we have no military alliance with, which is leading to increased tensions and the likelihood of the conflict spreading! Future heroes need: 1. a decent wage 2, a land fit for them. IMO, neither is in place at his time! I would urge the retiring army chief to review the and curtail all the m o d vanity projects to fund the increase in recruitment.

[@peterellis6862]

I was born during WW2 and served in the military on three campaigns. Your assertion is that our youth wouldn't defend their country - you might be right but the alternative would be to 'serve', without a choice, under the yoke of the unopposed invader.

[@TheGreatest1974]

Totally agree.

[@clivebennett7985]

My Father fought in the second world War. I was born 70 years ago and there has never been n a year of my life when there wasn't a conflict or war if some sort in the world. My dad reckoned that wars were an essential part of culling the populations of the world. Imagine how many people would be here now if there hadn't been any wars. Britain has enjoyed peace more or less all my life ,there hasn't been a world conflict for 80 years. Something had to be done to get rid of a few people. Covid? I wondered about that. But, maybe it wasn't enough. So the big wigs are planting the thought of a world War are they?. That will trim the population once again......

[@lewismorgan839]

Never again will large amounts of British lads be killed for nothing....

[@onnatca]

british army chief says otherwise

[@davetdowell]

@@onnatca British Army Chief is aiming to create a many million strong Army of consciencious objectors who won't fight for the shitehole country him and his political masters have created.

[@eugenebell3166]

Please explain your certainty

[@AlexP1-y4g]

​​@@onnatca he can say what he likes. If everyone who says they will refuse actually do, what's he going to do? He's just a man in a suit. Jails are over flowing now, what are they going to do with all of the refusers?

[@entropybear5847]

@@onnatca He's got like 40k odd fools to try and door-grab with, what's he going to do, fight all of us?

[@chriscaprice]

I won't fight for a country that doesn't fight for the people. Simple as.

[@vudusid8717]

You will let your fellow country men die? Coward!

[@RD-dn7yv]

The country is the people.

[@g.3437]

​@@RD-dn7yv 💤💤💤💤

[@creedy9401]

@@RD-dn7yv Wrong

[@daffyduck4632]

You may have no choice to fight for your country it's called conscription...simple as.

[@TheSpoovy]

If the government thinks the working class will lay down their lives again for a country that treats us like serfs, they've got a surprise coming.

[@seanlander9321]

It’s called conscription. What makes you think that as a peasant that you have any say in whether or not you will be trucked to the frontline? Getting a bit above yourself aren’t you?

[@davidreid9024]

A very big surprise

[@Leyton_music]

@@seanlander9321fuck it, prison

[@Nightelfmusic]

And then we all get run down....

[@chartphred1]

They can conscript all they want, does not mean that the orders will be followed 😅 I certainly wouldn't turn up to any base when told.

[@ioneeamigo8357]

But actually, people don't want to go to war. Politics are pushing for war, not people in general

[@rodpanhard]

I actually think Russias red lines are pretty reasonable and understandable, it's our continual efforts to double down on trying to undermine them I don't understand..

[@Wulture]

​@@rodpanhardwar is profitable for the ruling class.

[@MeM_UK]

​@@rodpanhard, I actually think you are a Kremlin troll.

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

no russia , china,north korea, iran the anti democracies of the world are looking for conflict

[@jasalexander-hain2601]

you cannot launch an all out attack on another country which in no way threatened yours...russia did this@@rodpanhard

[@satnamsandhu5685]

we need to save our country from UK politicians, not Putin

[@WingkKong]

Putin just care his border

[@miklmiklmtrcycl6009]

Thanks for your input Ivan

[@WingkKong]

@@miklmiklmtrcycl6009 Why do the west want to expand it power to the east Like the German in World War II The result will not be pretty

[@ChibiViolin]

The nations spirit is broken. And no amount of money can fix that. They're better off hiring foreign mercenaries if they want to buy their way out this situation.

[@MaboPete]

The only situation, if it exists, is one the government created all by its idiot self. They can all go and sort it themselves. They've earned nothing but despise by the British people - perhaps they can give Blair another knighthood for lighting that fuse as well.

[@EliteBuildingCompany]

Machiavelli doesn't recommend it.

[@jonemery8324]

WEF home guard ...

[@bluesrocker91]

Better off not getting involved in a war at all.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@bluesrocker91 You may find compulsory conscription doesn't have a "not getting involved" clause...... All the lads who did their 2 years National Service back in the 50's and early 60's, probably didn't want to get involved either, but still had to go and do their bit. What would you have done in the last war, if you'd lived in London, which at one point was bombed every night for 3 Months on the trot?

[@peterburns2151]

I'm not fighting for these people why would I figh for a country that hates me

[@jiubboatman9352]

The country hates you? Not the government or the systems within that government, but the entire nation? I don't even know you, so guess how I feel towards you.

[@onnatca]

he's just mad with his miserable life@@jiubboatman9352

[@peterburns2151]

@@jiubboatman9352 get over yourself I'm obviously talking about the countries systems and elite class good job tyring to make this about you though your a narcissist

[@eugenebell3166]

Paranoia.😳

[@jiubboatman9352]

@@peterburns2151 Read what you wrote? It is spelled you're and you have insufficient evidence to draw any reasonable conclusion about me. As I do about you, which I why I raised my point.

[@CalumDouglas]

Meanwhile, Britain closes her ONLY working steel blast furnace. Oh wait no... WE didnt, Tata steel did, because we sold off defence critical infrastructure to foreign firms. This video is literally criminally insane.

[@keplermission4947]

The peasantry always fought and the aristocracy always ruled.

[@grahambloodworth4770]

Isn't the old coal fired ones being shut down and electric arc ones replacing them?

[@matthewcoombs3282]

Yep try building a warship without rolling steal - are we going to have to ask the Chinese nicely to supply it to us? Criminal stupidity. This country is now longer a major world power and we have to get used to it as our politicians have already sold the country off to foreign interests.

[@andydouglas2108]

Correct! The WEF is behind this NONSENCE!

[@nickryder9669]

@@grahambloodworth4770no when the coal fired blast furnaces close we will no longer be able to make steel from Iron oar ! The replacement furnaces can only recycle old metal ! They may even rely on imported scrap metal !

[@anthonysimms8359]

A country with Veterans on the streets, puts everyone but its own first and would potentially want you to fight for it. Surely this is some sort of sick joke.

[@richardnewton638]

I agree ,if this is a requirement it needs to be shown the government values the service people give .

[@boogboog8097]

Zero chance any young British men go to war for the London elites, better send the boat boys we arent going 😂

[@entropybear5847]

Empty out London, just tell the locals that there will be new pairs of sneakers and gold chains in it for them.

[@MrG77]

I agree 💯%👍. There is thousands of military aged males coming over every day,make them fight if they want to live here. But no we put them in hotels and give them a mobile phone and benefits,then put our own to war. Na na na. This ain't right.🙏

[@mrpantur7280]

@@entropybear5847 and a free vw golf r with a pops and bangs map lol

[@erik-tea-bag]

​@@MrG77 The entitlement from people like you is insane. So first you cause a war in Thier countrys then expect them to help you fight another war you caused 😂😂😂😂😂 don't worry they will stay behind instead and look after your women, remember when you sent the Pakistani and Indians to fight for you in world war 2 now Ur telling them to go back to their countrys hahahaha you British are hilarious 😂😂😂😂

[@boogboog8097]

@trixiek942 funny never met a woman interested in an illiterate unemployed misogynistic 3rd worlder

[@sharonreichter2537]

The threat is more likely to come from within than without.

[@southdownrider2545]

no its not

[@jessebongo46]

@@southdownrider2545 ...yes it is , we've been invaded with illegals for decades now.

[@David-mw3sb]

​@southdownrider2545 only an idiot can't see how fake and laughable the government is. How bad does it need to get before idiots wake up

[@romanpolanski4928]

Indeed, and I suspect this scare story is deliberately being boosted to distract the populace from this danger.

[@anjm5694]

yes, it will just give us guns we will show you@@southdownrider2545

[@DavoInMelbourne]

Who in their right minds would want to fight for the UK? Former Etonians, yeah right?

[@tommothedog]

Former Etonians are all Russian and Chinese these days anyway.

[@zeroounce8874]

They are busy guarding their mansions.

[@lewdawg92]

Me and people who want to safeguard their families from speaking Russian. You think the uk is so bad go live in Russia for 2 years like I did then you'll know

[@MeM_UK]

People fight for putler and his vanity land grab.

[@johgrant]

Well said Lewis. The UK, with all of its flaws, and even led by buffoons and incompetents, is worth protecting at any cost. Those whose first instinct is ‘f*** that, I’m not fighting” should immediately be given the option of Russian citizenship, with all of its ‘benefits’. @@lewdawg92

[@nigelaldsworth9832]

The real threat is are own establishment that's the real fight

[@sammy6176]

Amen❤

[@Brian-om2hh]

Don't be silly.

[@mikebartlett723]

Indigenous males of fighting age are unlikely to fight for a society that actively discriminates against them. Also, people remember the futility of the recent sacrifices made in Iraq and Afghsanisation and are therefore unlikely to join up voluntarily.

[@K20rotrex]

👏 👏

[@jimbrown965]

I'm certain the economic migrants which makes up millions of our population, whether recent or previous generation, will not fight and die for this country. There will be the exceptions of course but the majority will be white British who will die and be replaced.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

The UK does not discriminate against British men. Look around you. That is absurd.

[@mikebartlett723]

Then I assume when war conscription begins you'll be at the front of the queue volunteering for the British infantry. After you. ​@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@mikebartlett723 Perhaps you will provide links to independent studies showing the UK state discriminating against British men in favour of...?

[@mrdeafa25]

I am not fighting a war against anybody. The days of 'The Kings Shilling' and signing on at the village hall have well gone. Time our government stopped thinking of us as the worlds police and kept their nose out of other countries affairs.

[@ZippyG]

@@AA4PJM😂

[@WingkKong]

​​@@AA4PJMthe root problem of Europe Is the Imperial American Empire European does not have conflict with each other anymore

[@Brian-om2hh]

If it happens, it is most unlikely there'll be an option to tick the "No Thanks" box. There wasn't the last time compulsory National Service was implemented, and I can't see there being any difference now....

[@NogHenson]

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[@ConradAinger]

I have thought about it...and decided that he and the rest of our Establishment are irresponsible warmongers.

[@JohnWintergreen-vu5ws]

The uk is under threat from within

[@TAttiusMaximvs]

Do you mean you won't defend yourself if attacked? Do your neighbours know this? You could be in for trouble if they find out!

[@aesopshair6690]

@@TAttiusMaximvs It depends whether you've been throwing bricks through your neighbours windows for the past few decades..

[@ginlane2867]

@ConradAinger ...that's such a naive and simplistic way of looking at it, unfortunately the world is way more complicated than your simplistic one-liner

[@forgottenheritage2845]

You are a clear bot account

[@laurapearson3370]

Under threat .... yes we are , by our own government

[@patricktracey7424]

the monarchy and parliament have to convince the public that the UK is still worth fighting for because to date the public do not believe that it is. our borders are open our land is being invaded by a force of mainly young men who outnumber our current armed forces by a factor of ten to one, essential services have collapsed our quality of life has deteriorated and people are just fed up if there is a war it is likely to break out within our borders.

[@K20rotrex]

👏 👏

[@J4YsonPG]

🤦‍♂️

[@ApolloCGP]

Amen

[@KevenHutchinson-gt1nn]

No, it's up to parliament and the Government.

[@paulriley9167]

cameron, bliar, sunak, johnson, hope they send their kids to fight first

[@terencelangdon1063]

Well done on telling the world we are weak. Christ... with this current government we might be better off been taken over.

[@EthanKnight97]

We already are being taken over by the barbarians they let through the gates.

[@korpiz]

Do you actually believe others don’t know how weak U.K. is? Even a us general said a few months back that U.K. isn’t a top tier military ally anymore. The only ones that doesn’t know how weak U.K. military is are the majority of the U.K. people.

[@shootthelobster]

Compared to the army I remember serving in back in the 1970`s, yes we are very weak and certainly undermanned.

[@crowbar9566]

The world knows already. Every defence cut is publicly announced, and if you think we're better off losing a war and being taken over then clear off to Russia because you'll only get in the way.

[@boobopish]

I know right? It’s amazing that they would share this info that the country is weak.

[@midge225]

Send all the polititians first , they cant keep their noses out can they , lets see them bearing arms instead of promises

[@Brian-om2hh]

But there are only 600 of them. They're probably looking for around 100'000 at least. Possibly more......

[@midge225]

@@Brian-om2hh thats ok , the polititians can go in the first wave with bow and arrows

[@dillinger1017]

We should be ready to defend ourselves as citizens and our families. But the Govt need to stop mucking in with other countrys and look after it's own - we're not a global superpower anymore

[@TAttiusMaximvs]

No, we're only 6th in the world rankings now-a-days

[@tommothedog]

What will happen after the war. We will all be flushed away. The dead men will be replaced with a foreigner and his family forgotten about.

[@James-hd6ez]

​@@TAttiusMaximvsAnd I don't see Russia attacking the UK 😮

[@TAttiusMaximvs]

If Ukraine falls, it will be Poland, Bulgaria ... (1939 all over again) @@James-hd6ez

[@cr41gieboy]

​@@TAttiusMaximvs sounds like propaganda to me

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

I joined in 1986 and served 23 years. From the moment I joined, they were talking about our accommodation. Yet my Terms of Service on balance consistently fell. If they have not fixed housing for an ever shrinking Armed Forces in 42 years, they clearly do not have the will to do so. It is just words. Our greatest asset is our soldiers. that is why they gave us all a pay cut (to be realised on promotion), reduced our pensions. Did away with our hospitals. etc etc etc.

[@OldhamSteve52]

Spot on. RAF(H)’s Wroughton and Ely gone, plus I think the Navy had some, not sure about Wegberg.

[@abdell75roussos]

You should have come across the Channel.

[@james970027]

Yep, even non military families have seen it - they don't give a damn about the armed forces sadly, just more cannon fodder for them to use and dispose of. Veterans left without mental health support, on the streets already from wars long passed while refugees are given accomodation and housing - its disgusting.

[@Aubury]

Already, 22% of the UK population - 14.5 million people - live in relative poverty, according to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

[@ltsjustchris]

caused by the very goverment that is pushing for this war to keep them in power longer, its just pure evil honesly.

[@rothwellaudio]

Here's an idea for improving Britain's security: stop creating conflict around the world.

[@silencemeviolateme6076]

Precious

[@threedoodles]

Absolute truth.

[@thierrylagrin2859]

For real!

[@entropybear5847]

Spot on.

[@owenreed772]

Boris Johnson got the UK involved in the Ukraine and made an enemy out of Russia.

[@BlayngTv]

Russia, russia, Russia, russia, russia war russia. These people are all delusional. They wanted war with Russia. If they want to fight Russia so bad, why don't they go to the FRONTLINE? Be an example to your people. Back in the days the king used to be in the front. 😅

[@TurbanCatMccoy]

Because they don't actually want a war with Russia, they're just a scape goat

[@MaboPete]

Coining 'Russia' is BS.. they are baiting as usual.. The enemy is arriving daily within the UK borders courtesy of the traitorous government..

[@svetlanakononenko7952]

Что конкретно плохого сделала Россия для Британии?

[@luapseirffej]

@@svetlanakononenko7952 You invaded a sovereign nation with internationally respected borders and created a land war in Europe.

[@richard127gm]

@@luapseirffejWrong! The Americans Gave money and weapons to Zelensky to bomb and fire on mostly Russia-friendly Eastern Ukraine, who then asked Russia for help. Putin asked for peace and diplomacy and the West told him to F* Off. Not conspiracy. Actually a matter of public record.

[@ChrisBrown-w8j]

I served from 1971 to 1995 in the Army. If I had my time again I would not join. I am a 68 year old white man who loved his country but the woke brigade can defend themselves and their friends from abroad. Most soldiers were from working class backgrounds seeking opportunity but thanks to poor political decisions, greedy lawyers and woke revision of our history what country is there left to defend. Any invading force would only have to treat the indigenous population decently and they would win. In my time the forces had bulk to counter losses from enemy action but when we got involved with Afghanistan and Iraq we bled our Army to death. Promises were always being made and promises were ALWAYS being broken. A country that can not control its borders is not a sovereign nation. I suspect this a red herring and is a precursor to a European Army!

[@Rhino11111111]

Well I’ll be going to jail then because there is no way I’m going to war for these idiots.

[@cvc9220]

Good thing I have a second passport and can reject British citizenship if needed. Not fighting for this country based on the behaviour of politicians, wider establishment and population as a whole.

[@adrianjohnson7920]

@@cvc9220 Interesting. Are you prepared to be deported to your second country, which may also institute conscription? 🤔

[@ranworth]

This scare story has been running now for 70 years. Always keep your population in a constant state of fear.

[@mjohns5944]

Yes... people forget so easily. But it has made the arms industry very rich. This just keeps the money flowing the right way.

[@thetwitterlectual9528]

Very well put.

[@Brian-om2hh]

No scare story. You clearly are unaware of compulsory National Service, back in the 50's and early 60's. You *had* to do your 2 year stint......

[@Mangomesh]

Well many boats have arrived on the coast already, a bit late now to be wanting the British people to fight. the UK is a broken country, conscription is not possible.

[@kanematthews6630]

it's like clockwork, whenever Torys realize they can't win an election: HANG ON DID SOMEONE SAY FOREIGN WAR?!

[@threedoodles]

Well said.

[@sookmajoaby]

Tory labour, snp, lib dems They're all in the same gang mate

[@hummmph]

New Labour you mean

[@roywallbank8065]

Maybe reflect on Blair re his war crime.

[@BigSauce_]

If you think it still matters what “party” you vote for, you’ve not been paying attention

[@antm2296]

Let’s see how many of our imported citizens who agreed to take on British values will sign up.

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

I hate that I already know the answer...it's the same amount of them that integrate into society and find work to support themselves. Answer : It's none, none of them😂 I have to laugh, to keep my sanity in this absolute joke of a country called the UK.

[@M.A.D.756]

Good idea, all these young men who people say, we don't know who or what they are capable of. So let's train them to fight and give them all a gun.

[@aaronshaw9982]

we need to sort out corrupt gov and other politicians out first, clean your own house first.@@jozefrockatansky1588

[@thehangingparsiple5692]

​@@MB-ui5yo❤our country is awful, I'm sorry ❤️

[@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058]

For us to fight for our country, there has to be decent people in charge of it worthy of our respect, loyalty who have the same interests as us

[@Brian-om2hh]

You don't fight for the Government. Nobody ever has, You fight for your nation, and to defend the rights and freedom you enjoy. Like others before you have done....

[@Ula142]

We should never have wars within Europe and with people who are very similar to us. We should be united and live in peace. These wars are created by provocations from our leaders. All unnecessary.

[@dacorum8053]

Well said.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Why should we have wars against people who are _not_ similar to us?

[@dacorum8053]

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Sorry if you thought I was implying we should go to war with people who aren't similar to ourselves but picking a fight with Russia is far more dangerous because they are a nuclear power and that puts us all in far more danger, hence my support for the original post. We should only go to war in exceptional circumstances like when our own Falkland Islands were invaded. I was against regime change in Iraq, Syria and Ukraine in 2014 which the west supported and which collectively have resulted in wars in which millions have been killed, many millions more have been made refugees and countries left as failed states, all because of unwarranted western intervention. I am also opposed to all that Israel is doing with western support in Gaza and the West Bank.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@dacorum8053 And I agree.

[@richardnewton638]

boohoo unfortunately aggressors don't care that your a sensitive soul

[@arandmorgan]

We are struggling to recruit because the abundance of our modern neo liberalist social structure is not beneficial to most of us. You can't expect a socialist thing like nationalisation of the military to be popular when the other aspects of socialism like public healthcare, infrastructure, education and development have been neglected for so long. What would we benefit from joining the military, but a low wage and possible risk of death for a declining country. Tax the rich, re-establish social programmes and find a way to make the increasing desparity more egalitarian. Then people will want to defend the country.

[@IrinaMWells]

Brilliantly put 👏

[@Thedrunkenswede1337]

Socialism has never worked and never will work. So less tax and more nationalism and people will fight and defend their home.

[@Joanna-gg4qx]

🙌

[@matthewcoombs3282]

Spot on. There is no social contract in essence now between Goverment and People. What on earth are the asking us to fight for? Capita? Amey or Goldman Sachs?

[@chriswilkinson7636]

"Existential threat"? What nonsense. From whom? He's just trying to get more people to join up by using scaremongering language. Don't be fooled.

[@t50-lk8qv]

Exactly 😂

[@boobopish]

I’m not so sure. But you’re right, they do like to keep us living in fear, great way to control.

[@BlayngTv]

They should send there children 😊

[@frelonvert6064]

From the glorious forces of democracy, lol. But yeah, I agree with you. But what's the point of a fash government if you can't be made to feel fear?

[@chriswilkinson7636]

@@BlayngTv I think we all know that isn't going to happen.

[@kerri7456]

Why should our boys fight for a country that depises them, will the Muslim community be called up too fight, or will they get a get out card, someone should do a survey and ask the Muslim community if they will fight for this country,

[@nicholasrowlands706]

I doubt it , they be exempt like they are for stamp duty , council tax etc

[@kerri7456]

@@nicholasrowlands706do they really not pay council tax

[@nicholasrowlands706]

@@kerri7456 according to what I've seen stated if they declare one of the rooms in there home , as a prayer room they are exempt from paying council tax , ever likely they do so well , all these Turkish barbers n vape shops that keep opening up get a 20 G grant from EU and 5 years free rent from local council , should be no surprise why they going bankrupt, they are forcing local traders out due to high rent etc n giving it the foreigners for free f***ing stinks.

[@1bz2002]

Muslims fought to help you fight your European wars in ww1 and 2. If anyone unjustly invades this island , their boats are in the channel or around our shores. Everyone will fight. If your talking about imperialist, colonialist wars for wealth like in the 1800/1900s for which this country has a history or unjust war based on lies like Iraq then probably no one will fight.

[@stephenfoskett4633]

So I get conscripted into the army whilst thousands of immigrants living in hotels on our coasts and else where watch. This general should put the top back on the whiskey bottle.

[@brikfiend]

We are under threat , from the people past and present who claim to be working for us . Who exactly , has attacked British soil ?

[@jasonking1284]

These warmongers need to be arrested and jailed.

[@Eleniyan71]

Absolutely Mon amis...they r cowards who need to send their own children up 2the front line

[@MrPiccolop]

100% in agreement. I think it'll be much harder to get away with these days.

[@jiubboatman9352]

Expressing an opinion should be punished with arrest? What logical and epistemological steps did you take to arrive at that opinion? Instead of locking people up, perhaps we ask them the reasons and evidence for their argument? Wait, isn't that what I just did? Weird how that works.

[@MrPiccolop]

@@jiubboatman9352 this is the same class of people who have been given privileged positions in governments and what have we got increased taxes and a war in Ukraine PPE scandals, and additional scandal's all processing. I'm sorry but there are people I respect in the army but I'm afraid there are no grounds for mass mobilization and they know it. It smacks of desperation. While the average person gets rinsed including the middle classes do u honestly believe that even with devolution stalled because of Brexit that even in the provinces people will want to die for a Cabal of Sheisters in Westminster? It's laughable. Most people know what happened to Ukraine. I feel bad for them but the US has a lot to answer for. They say jump we say how high? What respect!??

[@jiubboatman9352]

@@MrPiccolop That does not in anyway address my point. Either a red-herring or a strawman. Go away, think about it and address the point I actually raised.

[@pcat1672]

Nope… not my war

[@erongi233]

British military intelligence in Iraq over the non-existent weapons of mass destruction and in Afganistan underestimating the capabilities of the Taliban told the politicians what they wanted to hear and were nowhere near as critical as hindsight suggests strongly they should have been. As Afganistan was an abject failure and Iraq was pointless why is there any reason to take any military views as though they are gospel. They are plainly not .The last 25 years has been a long string of failed expensive endeavors which we know about.

[@M.A.D.756]

More to the point, what threat could Afghanistan, Syria, or Iraq bring to our shores. We only go to war for the US.

[@Leyton_music]

Honest to God, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me

[@anthonyhinton-west9944]

Soldiers don't choose to go to war ... politicians do.

[@erongi233]

@@anthonyhinton-west9944 Civilians who chose to become soldiers must like the idea of war or else why did they become soldiers as that is what soldiers do? If after becoming the military they mislead the politicians as to the true situation that does not absolve them from giving the wrong information.

[@erongi233]

@@anthonyhinton-west9944 On the advice of military intelligence,amongst others,or else what is intelligence for?

[@bulldog1066jpd]

Russians are not my enemy, the people who are my enemy are those who partied whilst ordinary people died often alone during the pandemic.

[@pfhastie]

UK under ‘existential threat’ from British Govt.

[@Brian-om2hh]

It wouldn't matter where you went in mainland Europe, similar action is being considered in most EU nations....

[@bushwhackeddos.2703]

When a native people become a min ority they lose all chance for self determination, What would the native British be fighting for?

[@sergeipetrov_rzn]

for the Monarchy

[@bobbymozza]

Not my war. Not my leaders. Not my king.

[@brianellory28]

So why are you here ?

[@NickyNustar]

And not your country. Get out!

[@brianellory28]

@trixiek942 the opinion expressed conflicts with the basic requirements of a Britain .

[@ltsjustchris]

bro you sound feminine, shut up @@brianellory28

[@M.A.D.756]

@@brianellory28 Why should someone born in the UK be required to go thousands of miles from the UK to supposedly protect somebody in Oxford or Manchester. What threat did the Taliban, Syrians, or Iraqis pose to the people of Britain?. More to the point why should we fight wars for the US.

[@JACPAC_0]

So all country’s have to fight for the political affairs of rich idiots

[@bluesrocker91]

Here's a radical idea... Let's not get involved in wars that have nothing to do with us, that we can't win.

[@richardmorgan3647]

Is this because all the fighting age men in Ukrainian are dead and now Zelensky wants men instead of money?

[@CC-uq4hu]

I’d bet on it

[@M.A.D.756]

They say the average age of a Ukrainian soldier is now 43. In the UK it's 31.

[@nicholasrowlands706]

Yes

[@alseb931]

All the while, he still lives - I find that suspicious. If the Ukrainian and British governments still live, then no nation is in peril.

[@derekferguson385]

How many Houthi’s are invading our coast each day in rubber boats.

[@VictoriaB85]

Why am i only just hearing about Houthis, who are they? Where can i find factual information on them?

[@CC-uq4hu]

Lots..an army in waiting…in posh hotels 😂😂😂

[@threedoodles]

The Yemenis are too busy trying to defend Gaza.

[@VictoriaB85]

@@CC-uq4hu Never heard them called Houthi's before.. i'm so baffled lol.

[@EllisTheMenace2001]

@@VictoriaB85terrorists

[@spiritbaby5151]

Well maybe if we stopped causing trouble around the world we wouldn’t be in this position!! WTH are we doing????

[@barriewilliams4526]

Keep voting Tory, or Labour, you'll be just fine🙃

[@mrmagoozle]

Great reset, globalist takeover, Epstein, bio-war…. Take your pick.

[@Zoroaster1996]

Bad people doing people things.

[@pmarsh3700]

Russia, North Korea, China and the Middled East have all been instigators of conflict and hostilities over the years. The West have responded to attacks i.e. 9/11 - Afghanistan. Iraq the big question mark of course. Otherwise the west involved in conflicts across the World i.e. Libya, bombing targeted Houthis areas in Yemen have been justified to name but a few. Maybe you need to turn this around and ask the Russians, North Koreans, Chinese and the Middle Eastern countries to behave themselves and then the West does not need to be on high alert.

[@jonescrusher1]

Explain how we caused Putin to invade Ukraine

[@DrSackfull]

Rishi sunak an them asylum seekers in our hotels are the same thing. What makes this country WEAK .

[@almor2445]

Its far worse than you think. Weve already lost. In some ways russia is helping us reslise we can't just coast through as we have been. No one is patriotic in the uk. Which young men would risk their lives for a corrupt government that us replacing them 1 million people at a time for financial gain!

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

I used to be patriotic, but this country no longer allows it as it's deemed offensive, so any sense of national pride has long been stamped out unfortunately. Funny that now they're in need of people to fight FOR this country, after the endless demoralization of the British people for the last couple of decades at least. Saying that, our Navy is tiny, and our new arrivals have more experience with boats than the actual people of this country, maybe they should sign up if they love this country so much...unless ofcourse they're only here for the free ride at our expense, which we all know is the actual reason.

[@PaulClark-m7p]

First thing you can do get the politicians in there

[@williammore558]

There's no existential threat to the UK. The UK is already finished decades ago. Any foreign power can dictate to us on what we are allowed or not allowed to say or do without the need to fire any weapons. Foreign powers pull the strings in the background and are political elites kowtow to them.

[@matthewcoombs3282]

The Russians own half of West London. Who are they kidding? They dont need to invade a country they partly own and whose Goverment they have in their pockets. Boris likes playing tennis with his Russian chums and Gideon Osbourne loves hangin out on their yachts.

[@michaelkennedy3372]

Id be a conscientious objector as i dont recognise England in 2024

[@entropybear5847]

I'm pretty sure there's some UN piece of paper that objects to using subjugated peoples as cannon fodder, and the UK government can't be considered a government for the British by the British...

[@constantinvaldor3742]

The people you don't recognise where I grew up where mostly called Kennedy not even kidding 🤣 that's a popular name for the brown's. You should probably change it or might get lumped in with them

[@zeroounce8874]

Britain wasn’t fighting on its own. Had a lot of help from polish, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladesh, some black too. Between 1948 and 1971, people from countries such as Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago and Barbados were invited to move to the UK to help rebuild the country after World War II, and to fill shortages in the labour market. You should be grateful. If not then you would be living in the shed.

[@bogtrottername7001]

@@zeroounce8874 So true ! It's sad to see that the UK has all these racists, just like here in the United States.

[@philipellis4530]

Since 2015 we here in Britain have trained 30,000 young Ukrainian troops and then sending them back to the front line to effectually die, knowing this do you honestly think that our kids are going to sign up,

[@laurencebrowning1545]

The biggest treat to us living in the U.K. is due to government policies such as austerity, I.e. lack of investment in infrastructure, schools falling apart, NHS lack of funding, reduction in Police numbers & closing local Police stations etc etc.

[@sandrapowell-m7z]

You nailed it in one.

[@aaronshaw9982]

Austerity never existed, it's their way of making us worse off while grabbing as much back as they can and to justify all the cuts they have made.

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

Yes to all that apart from the reduction in policing. Police are here to protect the interests of the ruling class, not the rest of us.

[@lukeambrose4333]

bring back the Iron lady good old Margaret thatcher she was more honest than any of these crooks

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@lukeambrose4333 You mean Maggie Thatcher, self-declared enemy of the British working people?

[@Puffball-ll1ly]

UK is under threat from its Government 😂

[@Laser82]

We're in a very bad state morale wise in the British Army. I can't in good conscience recommend it to anyone until the pay, pentions, promotions and overall prospects get better. Overworked, underpaid, and completely unappreciated by the government.

[@theculturedthug6609]

Too many people are clued up these days about who is Behind what etc. those days are long gone!!!!

[@douglaswhyte-q7i]

Anyone 'Pro-Nato' is either severely deluded , or paid to be . It's a business .

[@nickgoddard9329]

Our troops should resign and come back home if overseas. Too clean our country up. This is our biggest threat. Leave our young ones alone.

[@AndrzejLondyn]

We don't have to find enemy outside we have plenty of them inside...

[@mickhardin15]

Under threat from who?

[@douglasgraham2774]

Only warmongers want war, so let them go to the front instead of staying in the rear where it's safe.

[@adamormsby5729]

Haha,send Sunak and all his immigrant pals.what Brit in their right mind would fight for them? They've totally destroyed this nation between them

[@DiscountElectrical-y4m]

No body wants to fight England what for what resources poor England have waste of unless you mess with someone

[@iangravett]

How can this country look at the youth of today to form an army, when a majority of them don't even know if they want to be a nut bar or a toaster.

[@tapanbhattacharyya503]

Threat from knife crime in streets,long wait in emergency, unable to see GP, huge energy prices ,

[@PhyzzFizz]

you're welcome

[@TheDreadfulCurtain]

Well Switzerland has a citizen army and Switzerland has its own army of citizens and they are aggressively neutral.

[@a.a.7416]

Yes, but they have something most/all other European countries don't have: Pride and wealth.

[@AlexP1-y4g]

Also that would mean trusting British citizens with guns again

[@stockgrove1]

​@@a.a.7416that doesn't make them innocent. Second world war they acted as a fence for the Nazis stolen loot.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Totally different demographic, history and 'common sense' relationship of the public with firearms. Our government has been neutering the public for decades, good luck!

[@MPG5759]

I don't think half of their country is on benefits

[@icarus372]

I promise you if you force conscription there will be retaliation from the public against government property

[@tonys8448]

Iraq and Afghanistan for what? All the British military personnel that loss there lives for nothing absolutely nothing, not to mention all the serious life changing injuries

[@MachdaleLemish]

How much of this was actually inconceivable a decade ago? People knew this would happen 20 - 30 years ago.

[@sbaby-kg8hn]

England doesn't like me I'm not fighting for England.

[@EpicAelflaed]

@@AA4PJM you don’t have a clue about how people think in my country - I don’t know yours either

[@mikequantum9835]

Uk should worry for the citizen who don't eat pork, instead of looking out of their frontiers.

[@davidharris4062]

So you mean Muslims and Jews then

[@mikequantum9835]

@@davidharris4062 Yes, wasn't I clear enough?

[@The_Lost_Subrosian]

Zelensky already borrowed most of the UK's military.

[@CC-uq4hu]

Exactly

[@K20rotrex]

No chance am I fighting for that actor con man

[@aaronshaw9982]

and guess who's getting the rebuilding contracts, us and the bloody yanks who btw have never won a fight single handed.

[@palmlifeuk3553]

Unfortunately the only lads who'd gladly volunteer for this are the same lads being branded far right, racist etc every day.

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

Aye, I always looked up to the RAF, but nowadays, I'm a "far right extremist that is TOO white" for the RAF.

[@petelacey243]

So give me the right to be armed.

[@benny210169]

Russia knows that they couldn't beat NATO in a conventional war. But having the largest nuclear arsenal in the world isn't a problem. A full scale war with Russia would involve nuclear exchanges. We're getting dragged back into the Cold War days, sabre rattling and all.

[@ordohereticus3427]

This was the point made by many analysts. In terms of conventional warfare, Russia is quite weak and certainly not capable against NATO or even the US on its own. What it does have: nukes and technology. It'll be a different kind of war and a very trying one.

[@frelonvert6064]

Well you voted for it, asXXole.

[@glennbobey6332]

nuclear weapons 😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤡🌏🤡🌏🤡🌏

[@anjm5694]

lol delusional much? @@ordohereticus3427

[@paulcalder9697]

Nato has been fighting russia in a proxy in Ukraine for over 2 years and is not winning, but its all right. Ukraine has lost over 500.000 men, and we haven't a great deal

[@pcat1672]

We have lots of fighting age men clamouring to get here across the channel. They’ll be first to volunteer naturally as they love this country…..

[@jhouben2021]

they'll want their rubber boats back.

[@rogerbroadbelt3424]

Conscription will see all those foreigners with British Passports running for the hills. My son was a fitter in the RAF, his job was civillianised, he was made redundant, but the civillians who replaced him cant pick up a gun in an emergency as he could.

[@carolynmake7986]

make peace we the people are sick of wars wen our country is on its knees

[@JackEdwinEvans]

No more war ....ceasefire and peace now ... Let's work together.... No to warmongers !!

[@anumba1]

I served in all commissioned ranks from a second Lieutenant to a Major General. And during that time, I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street, and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. Share this Quote General Smedley Butler War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. Smedley Butler in his book WAR IS A RACKET!

[@randyschwaggins]

This is 1984 playing out in front of our eyes

[@eileenahern-ku9nx]

❤

[@adrianjohnson7920]

Also "Brave New World". Pass the popcorn.

[@BohemianRaichu]

they'll never recruit enough troops until they raise the absurdly low upper age limit of 36.

[@ChrisFord-fx9kf]

British government who ever you are!!!! You will be in for a shock

[@andrewmacaulay9272]

MEANWHILE ?, EPSTIEN PRINCE ANDREW COME ON MAN ??? CHILDREN

[@lewis123417]

You don't think global war is important for the news to talk about 😂😂

[@andrewmacaulay9272]

@@lewis123417 THEY MADE TROUBLE ?? WHY HELP

[@lewis123417]

@andrewmacaulay9272 is your cap lock button stuck or something?

[@loosesurfer]

Send in the migrants first

[@smoozerish]

How about first removing troops from northern ireland and give this territory back to us Irish. Then worry about fighting russia for its illegal occupation of ukraine. Are the british working class going to sacrifice its sons again for the Eton boys? Love from ireland 🇮🇪

[@jamesjarrett52]

Millions in poverty, government ministers with millions in the bank. Just take a moment to look around at the state of this country. Overcrowded and filthy. Loss of our right to free speech. Seriously, the absolute audacity of these crooks stuns even me.

[@1flinns]

What I hear is a Bully trying to keep his power on the world stage. When we conduct ourselves better and more ethically and are on the correct side of history then maybe we wouldn't need a large Army.

[@Dave-nq6uy]

Haha good luck with that. People including me would rather go to prison than fight for this broken country.

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

They better start building more prisons, I think many of us have the same attitude, I'm not fighting for a country that hates me.

[@ianpetch]

Our soldiers have spent too much time fighting other countries wars for them

[@shaneschannel2081]

Uk is broken ❤❤❤❤

[@carolinecarberry1160]

The UK need to stay out of other peoples War as not all countries in Nato are involved why do the UK follow the USA after the way Rishi has treated people in the last two year’s no one is going to enlist because the Tories can’t stay out of other Peoples war’s

[@michealgee2394]

Lay down my life for people who hate and detest me, er, na !

[@lewismorgan839]

The politions kids get called first