Ukraine's strategic bombing of Russian oil refineries

[@anderspuck]

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[@marcm.]

As always excellent video

[@buddy1155]

I am interested in your view about the US asked Ukraine to stop to target those refineries as the influence the fuel prices in the US.(in an election year) To me it doesn't make a lot of sense as I can't see how it has an influence on crude prices, and we (the West) have enough refining capacity.

[@anderspuck]

@@buddy1155I guess it depends on whether Russia can find a buyer for all the extra crude oil. I think the only possible buyer is India, and they have started to scale back. So it could lead to an overall lower availability of fuel.

[@dpelpal]

I am interested in a book or newsletter of jokes about the russian military. There must be such a book available soon given what a joke their army is😂😂😂

[@Johnny-bm7ry]

​​​@@anderspuck Mr Nielsen do you plan on doing a video on where you see Ukraine's economy and military in 3 to 6 months with Russia targeting all of their thermal power plants.

[@Ph33NIXx]

I was about to say.. but you said it.. if US. Dont like it.. maybe they should expedide that aid package

[@peka2478]

well, if i was the us, and gave them some tanks, and they used my tanks for atrocities, id be pissed; also, id probably lose some elections and would be liable for legal action. So yeah, I'd be willing to send over stuff under conditions, and far less willing to send stuff if i had no right to set limitations.

[@Comm.DavidPorter]

@@peka2478 "liable for legal action"????? What is the matter with you? Do you suggest that ruzzia would have a valid cause of action that some court would consider based on the use of western-supplied weaponry against ruzzia, when ruzzia started the entire thing by an illegal, genocidal, lying invasion of a peaceful nation?

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

​@@peka2478Unless it's Israel - in which case, go ahead...

[@davidelliott5843]

Biden is probing to be no better than Trump. The latter is more obnoxious but his policies on Ukraine are much the same.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

@@davidelliott5843 no - very different. Very, very, very different.

[@joelrasdall7662]

The discussion about the legality of hitting oil refineries frustrates me to no end. They're fighting for survival and we're judging whether or not them hitting fuel production is legal? They must see us as complacent to the point of insane.

[@helloicanseeu2]

insane virtual signalling of urban noobs

[@gianmarcobuzzotti4517]

80 years of peace did this.

[@TheeWolfiee1]

@@gianmarcobuzzotti4517as opposed to 80 years of war where everyone is bloodthirsty and ready to kill at any moment? 🤔 if anything 80 years of peace has shown most people that war is just a game politicians play and we’re the chess pieces…

[@KasumiRINA]

There's also no question as fuel refineries are a military target PERIOD, and power plants are a civilian target, so when I see Westerners criticizing us for striking russian military WHILE BEING SILENT ABOUT THEM DOING WAR CRIMES WITH DOUBLE TAP STRIKES ON CIVILIANS, I get absolutely furious!

[@michaellindqvist5288]

​@@TheeWolfiee1 that's such a self-victimizing standpoint. You and I are in it, and to blame, just as much as anyone else.

[@janmortensen9314]

A couple of comments: Most of the Russian population live in the western part of the country. And so it is also here that most of the refinery capacity is situated. Well in reach of the drones. Russia do have some export of refined oil products, but most is exported as crude. At this time of the year the farmers are in the fields. They also need a lot of diesel. And they have already been hit in the last two years. There are no restrictions on the export of food; but it seems that some customers do not risk buying from Russia, risking sanctions. Finally notice that the drones no longer attack oil storage as previously but aims for the fracking towers.

[@betterdonotanswer]

Muscovite foods are simply inedible, after tasting them once people never buy them again.

[@wnose]

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[@pshh-pshh]

Strikes on oil refineries will hit some companies, but will not affect the economy in Russia as a whole. The profit of oil refining in Russia is insignificant, since most of the plants are quite old. Everything that will not be processed will simply be exported in the form of oil. If large capacities are put out of operation, then Russia will simply export gasoline and diesel from Belarus - the capacities of their plants will be enough to cover Russia's lack of fuel. But it will hit the whole world - because the amount of gasoline and diesel as a whole will decrease. Russian analysts (independent ones, whom I read) assess the damage from strikes on factories as serious for individual companies, but almost imperceptible for the economy.

[@betterdonotanswer]

There are neither independent analysts in Muscovy nor independent oil companies. A ridiculous idea that loss of something does not affect the Muscovite economy is typical for Muscovite propaganda.

[@davidpnewton]

@@pshh-pshh "If large capacities are put out of operation, then Russia will simply export gasoline and diesel from Belarus - the capacities of their plants will be enough to cover Russia's lack of fuel." Utter rubbish. Byelorussia only has two oil refineries, both of which are fairly small scale. As for "export gasoline and diesel" from there? How exactly? Export it through Russia? Nope. Export it through Ukraine? Nope. Export it through Poland? Nope. Export it through Lithuania? Nope. Export it through Latvia? Nope. You don't seem to comprehend that the country is LAND LOCKED. That means any exports by land must transit somewhere else to reach a port. Russia is useless for that purpose and all of the other countries which border it are either at war with Russia or extremely hostile to Russia. Do try and actually think through the geography of the situation before making ridiculous pronouncements.

[@fh5926]

Something to think about. Russia's vulnerability to small drones attacking deep within its territory is also an indication of its weakness relative to cruise missiles and stealthy bombers. This is Mathias Rust times a hundred.

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

Skyrocketing of traditional Russian paranoia is a blessing. I fully believe that Ukraine has sent its own Spetsnaz into Russia with drone operators in order to conduct "deep battle" operations.

[@wnose]

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[@S0ulinth3machin3]

Russia's biggest strength (its size) is also its biggest weakness. How would one provide security for that much territory? Not just refineries, but pipelines, the entire network. Hypothetical scenario: how would Russia stop babushkas cruising about the countryside magnetically attaching thermite grenades with timed fuses to its pipelines? Sure, they could make the ground underneath the pipeline a "no-go" zone, but how to prevent cheap drones from attaching the thermite? It would be astronomically expensive to do that.

[@fh5926]

@@S0ulinth3machin3 How do you protect thousands of miles of pipeline? Can't do it. China has to worry about this too. Breaks in a couple of Russian pipelines would cut them off from oil. My understanding is that Ukrainian attacks on refineries have dropped Russian refined oil products by 12-14%. They are now trying to import gasoline.

[@S0ulinth3machin3]

@@fh5926 I was being facetious with my last sentence. :)

[@marviwilson1853]

What is absolutely surprising is how a Cessna 172 type drone can fly hundreds of kilometers across the Russian interior at slow speed and low altitude and make it all the way unhindered to a high value target!

[@gmosc]

They are not programmed to fly in a straight line and there is not just one. If they scramble a fighter jet, they are using huge resources to maybe down a drone the size and price of a Cessna..

[@yamaneko-ex8fy]

And what is even more embarassing for the Russians is that they have not improved since Mathias Rust landed close to the Red Square in Moskow in 1987 ...

[@marviwilson1853]

@@gmosc Yes but the cost of the fighter jet has nothing to do with the price of the drone and everything to do with saving the losses associated with a destroyed refinery.

[@marviwilson1853]

@@yamaneko-ex8fy Very true. Maybe Putin doesn't want to ask for public help with observations of such flights given they never really happen!

[@martstam2016]

If it really flew from Ukraine, millions of Ukrainians live in Russia and other antiprotons

[@jacobhelms4421]

It’s difficult to believe that an oil refinery is an illegal target, when the opposition does much worse.

[@yfelwulf9930]

All it has done is force the price of oil up making Russia even richer do much Israelistan has begged ZZelinsky to stop Europe can't afford to pay extra for oil with Israelistan 🇺🇸 charging 6X what Russia did for gas FYI Russian gas sales to Europe have increased again.

[@yfelwulf9930]

Germany went to Ukraine looking for war crimes their commission recorded 300 all against Ukraine. Do you think they will prosecute those UkroNazis that survive the war will be arrested in their thousands many will probably face execution especially since ZZelinsky told his troops to commit war crimes and film it for propaganda to frighten Russian's

[@caccioman]

I also invoke the principle of retaliatory measures/retaliation

[@angmori172]

Create dilemmas, not problems. - Ryan MacBeth Less fuel to the military? Operations slow down and lowers the pressure on the Ukrainian soldiers. Less fuel to the civilians? Hurts the economy that is necessary to fund the military in the long run. Russia increases defenses around refineries? That means something else becomes more vulnerable.

[@MrZlocktar]

Less fuel for US customers? Prices will increase before elections. Bigger prices before elections? Democrats will lose elections. US urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries? That means friendly fire. For clueless idiots the likes of APN - US, EU are all customers of Russia. They are buying oil trough third countries and now they will pay even more for that. Which is why US urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries. Sucks to be EU which are buying US oil which US is buying from third countries which are buying it from Russia. The circle jerk of Russian oil in nature.

[@larsrons7937]

Exactly. "Create dilemmans, not problems" (Ryan McBeth). I was about to write the same. This Ukrainian strategy is doing exactly that.

[@Freddy_Belt]

Russia made the west believe they were doomed, all of the sudden somebody crying 😮

[@dh1380]

I don't think Ryan said that. I think he was quoting or paraphrasing

[@larsrons7937]

@@dh1380 Ryan Mcbeth indeed said that. On my old PC I have bookmarked both a normal video and a 'shorts' of his where he said exactly that. I put it in my bookmark title.

[@mikedittsche]

To add to your great explanation: Crude oil is not a product russia can sell an unlimited amount of. It is limited by refinery capacity abroad. Nobody has refineries standing around idle, they all run at or near optimal capacity. So, sure cheap crude oil can replace a part of other countries imports but the current suppliers won't sit around idly, watching their market get taken over by russia. So russia would have to _significantly_ lower the price of their crude oil to export lots of it, and there is costs involved in pumping oil, so russia can not lower the price indefinitely.

[@dpelpal]

Not to mention it shows that russia is a complete joke army. 😂

[@JohnMackenzieInverness]

India and China have dramatically cut imports of crude because of US secondary sanctions Indian and Chinese banks don't want to be sanctioned. Indian refineries will not buy crude from Sovflot ( Russian goverment) tankers and China which does 2 to 3% of trade with Russia do not want to loose trade with the West, their economy is already impacted they can't afford to lose trade for the small amount they do with Russia.

[@LewisPulsipher]

I have read that refineries made for "sweet" crude cannot handle the Urals "sour" crude.

[@professor-dad]

India is being allowed to keep the oil markets balanced and fund Ru$$ia via the "shadow fleet," (even more than China). For now that is the best strategy. Until US Democrats win all branches on Nov 5th, then India can be leveraged to reduce the amount they are buying from Russia.

[@gags730]

Everyone is assuming that every time they hit a refinery that the refinery makes gasoline/petrol or diesel. That is not the case. There are many different refineries and a vast amount of petroleum products.

[@Feralzen]

What really ticks me off is that we are asking that Ukraine, who's in a fight for his survival, to be even more ethical and moral in this war than all the wars the West and US have implicated themselves in the past 40 years... all the while, Russia flagrantly disregards every international rule of war signed since the end of WWII.

[@VonCraft]

Yeah. Its like one side can take their gloves off whilst the victim has to fight with an arm behind their back. I pray Europe takes the role of the US given Russia's infiltration in our system. Fuck putin.

[@OleDiaBole]

When n4ato bombed my country to ocupate and steal part of it (kosovo), they targeted bridges, all factories, whole energy production, chemical factories with extremely dangerous chemicals. In 3 months we lost more civillians than Ukraine in 2 years. Your hypocrisy is literally s4tanic.

[@crhu319]

Have you MET Israel

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

America isn't asking Ukraine to be more ethical & moral. It's asking Zelenskyy to stop winning so hard against a nation intent on ethnically cleansing Ukraine. People whining about Trump & an imaginary "far right" haven't bothered to look at how truly evil our current Administration is.

[@Surpriseify]

@@crhu319 Have you any ability to explain what ISREAL has to do with RUSSIA ATTACKING UKRAINE!?

[@andrewhostynski7701]

I am astounded that you event mention the 'legality' of striking Russian oil refineries. Has the world gone collectively mad?

[@patobrien6364]

so the small kid in the yard is getting the crap beaten out of him, and we're worrying if the gloves 🧤 he's wearing to defend himself, are rough or smooth ??? F me 😎

[@andersjjensen]

Ukraine is specifically interested in running Russia short on diesel and jet fuel. Gasoline is "a bonus" that annoys civilians, but diesel and jet fuel hit the transportation sector directly. Heating oil will become a problem down the line too if the Ukrainians are successful.

[@salahuddinyusuf]

Once again very insightful. It was very refreshing hearing you say "those who don't give weapons don't get a say in how we use weapons."

[@valeriesolanas4077]

Did Anders really say that? I hope not.

[@Icetor01]

@@valeriesolanas4077 He was referring to how the US asked Ukraine not to target Russian oil refineries due to concern it would lead to a global increase in oil prices and hurt the US economically prior to the election. And Ukraine's answer being to decline, leading to the American realization of the above.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

@@Icetor01 aggree :) Also Biden will go down from the 'Zelenskij curse'.

[@tornado-s-2012]

upd - - failed. So, what happened? 'As a result of an explosion at the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's substructure plant under construction in Phoenix, Arizona, one person was seriously injured', or 'A large fire occurred at an ammunition manufacturing plant in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania.'

[@martinstraat3104]

Great video but I think you underestimate the military importance of hitting the refineries at this particular moment. If russia is preparing for a new offensive in the coming months, then they will need to store a lot of fuel close to the front because trucks, tanks and planes all run on refined oil products. You don't want to start a new offensive if there is a risk of running out of fuel, like they did in the start of the war. 12% of the total production capacity may not sound so much, but the refineries that got hit were all close to the front line. Now it will take time for the russians to set up new supply lines and plan for the new situation, causing a delay that will give the ukranians more time to prepare and force the russians to attack under less favourable conditions.

[@poulbrandtjensen5919]

Nobody seem to notice that Saudia Arabia is able to compensate for any missing oli from Russia. Basicially OPEC is trying to keep the price at 80-100USD. If price goes up, they increase production, and visa versa. So the US fear should make the US call Saudia Arabia, not Ukraine.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

That is true, but there was recently a secret (leaked) metting between Trump and the Saudi Crown Prince. No details are known, but the working theory is that Trump was trying to convince him to massively lower oil production right before the election, causing US oil prices to skyrocket at that critical time. It is widely known that the Saudis would prefer Trump in the White House, so this theory is quite plausible. For that reason, I don´t think that Biden can rely on any help from the Saudis.

[@lindsaycole8409]

The issue isn't crude production. It's refined products production. Refinery capacity is already restrained, if Russia start importing refined fuels and exporting crude to make up for it we may see a decoupling of gas and diesel prices world wide from Crude oil price. This is where the "west" actually may have an advantage with significant refinery capacity that can be sanctioned off from Russian access, also reserving that capacity for the economies of "the west".

[@NJ-wb1cz]

@@lindsaycole8409 we're talking about 10% of Russian refinery capacity currently not working due to those drone strikes, after additional 4% of downed capacity were already repaired and restarted last month. Why would that affect anything?... In real terms it's barely a dent even on the local scale, let alone global scale. This only matters in speculative sense, as in, the price may shoot up based on fears while the real volume of deals remains the same

[@migrationsforschermitbreit6744]

BRICS control now 80% of all oil reserves. The game is not that easy You think. Look to Saudi Arabia: US out - China in.

[@cyrilio]

Technically Venezuela could probably easily fill the potential gap Russia leaves behind. Biggest issue is that Venezuela is also heavily sanctioned.

[@richardbaird1452]

The targeting of the German petroleum supply chain was one of the big focuses of allied bombing in WWII. Post war statements by many German officials said it was one of several critical factors in shutting down their war economy. Much harder to put in a protected underground site than an aircraft/missile or tank factory for example. While I doubt Ukraine can do anything similar in terms of scale, it does have the potential to put a lot of pressure on Russia. Seems to me that as dual use infrastructure goes, refineries lean more into the military infrastructure than general electricity infrastructure does, so IMO Ukraine is on much safer ground doing these attacks than Russia is in their own campaign against Ukraine's electricity system as far as rules of war goes.

[@resrussia]

While I am not expert on the oil industry, I suspect the added benefit to hitting refineries is that Russian will force to pay higher prices for gasoline and other refined petroleum products from outside Russia. So, even if Russia sells more oil, it will need to pay a higher price for refine products. Suppose Russia sells oil to PRC at $60 per barrel, but buys gasoline at $100 per barrel implies that they are losing $40 per transaction. Of course, my argument is purely hypothetical, and without a deep understanding of fossil fuel industry.

[@manicka111]

Anyone selling oil to Russia is an spineless bastard in my books.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

You are right: you are not an expert.

[@peteo3436]

Lets not forget that oil storage is limited in Russia. If cude is not processed, the oil stops moving and could freeze in the pipes. This could cause massive damage to wells in the arctic north.

[@robertpapancsev8891]

Does Russia care about legal things when destroying Ukraine civil infrastructure? I think we passed this kind of questions 2 years ago lol.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

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[@_vital_p]

All is correct, but the question about legality is ludicrous. Russia has ruined all the Ukrainian refineries and a lot of oil stocks in the first weeks of war and nobody asked Russia if it was legal. Russia destroys such civilian objects as schools, kindergartens, universities, electricity lines, river dams and civilian buildings every single day, and the Ukrainians should worry whether it is legal to hit the Russian refineries and take into account how it will influence the world oil prices? Although these are my emotions as a Ukrainian who witnesses all this every day. Generally, this channel provides quite a quality analytics.

[@AndrewMann205]

Lloyd Austin saying he wants total victory but don’t blow up oil refineries is like ordering a cheeseburger without cheese.

[@tornado-s-2012]

Oh, what happend? Are some facilities or factories on the territory of countries that supply weapons to Ukraine also a target for sabotage by pro-Russian saboteurs? Borders are open)) Ready? )) 'As a result of an explosion at the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's substructure plant under construction in Phoenix, Arizona, one person was seriously injured', or 'A large fire occurred at an ammunition manufacturing plant in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania.'

[@Mats_Larsson_64]

Against the background of the Russians attacking Hospitals, Schools, Residential Buildings, energy infrastructure and not following any rules at all, it seems extremely strange to discuss Ukraine's "right" to choose its targets! Also, it's a scandal that they didn't get all the help they needed to win this a year ago!

[@micindir4213]

Look up ownership of Russian oil industry. Large part of it %-wise is actually owned by US 😅 US and west in general doesn't want Ukraine to win, but rather follow Kissinger's philosophy of balance of dissatisfactions. Destroying Russian oil industry tips this balance a bit into Ukrainian side. Also keep in mind that low oil prices / oil industry down killed ussr, and might kill Russia as well. Therefore it was never us intent to help Ukraine to win and fight back, but rather to bleed out both so they would eventually end hot phase. The problem it created is not unlike Chamberlain's peace treaty. While there is no decisive victory of Ukraine, Russia had enough time to develop tactics and tech to counter western systems and they're actively gathering data and sharing with Iran and China. It might result in a scenario where western powers still fight mid-20 century warfare, while Russia Iran and China obliterate enemy with drone swarms, cruise and ballistic missiles. West has trained its enemy and will pay the price of its reluctancy.

[@ratatatuff]

@@micindir4213 Russia didn't develop any tactics or tech. Most educated Russians have already left the country and Russia doesn't have access to modern tech. So they are incapable of doing that. All they are capable of is sending in their zombies in human meat wave attacks and the bombing of civilian infrastructure.

[@Mats_Larsson_64]

@@micindir4213 ATP outlined that in a video yesterday and it does not change anything to me. If US gave Ukraine suitable weapons they could concentrate on strickt military targets!

[@DrewNorthup]

@@micindir4213 The USA-owned portion of the Russian oil industry was seized in 2022. While many companies in the USA still claim to own portions of the Russian oil industry those claims are as valid as claims to sugarcane plantations in Cuba that were nationalized by Castro in 1959. As for your military strategy argument...OMG..., I'm not going to fly to Mars to attempt to converse with you about that.

[@zerobudget8355]

IF you think russia is attacking schools, hospitals and stuff. what you think about israel then>? Which does everything 1000x worse. The only point USA is not happy with ukraine hitting oil, is that it drives inflaiton in USA. Since global prices for crude/diesel/petrol goes up; thus inflation and cpy data goes up in USA and fed wants to cut rates right NOW and if they see a sticking or rebounding inflation they cant and it directly affects USA economy, thats why they dont let ukraine do it - in other words, usa does not care about ukraine at all, they use them as useful idiots as pawns to their own intrests; there is no "ally" or "love" invovled.

[@DoctorCip]

What about WWII bombing of Dresden or Hiroshima? Were they legal? And if not, what were the consequences? What I want to say is that is illegal to start thks kind of attacks, but, in my opinion, anything is legal when you defend yourself. russians attack powerplants, hospitals, schools, buildings and Ukrainian must think about legality when they retaliate?

[@erikgranqvist3680]

It can be a really big problem with food prices. Because agriculture use vast amounts of oil (mostly diesel). At least here in Sweden, quite a large portion of the costs a farmer that have grain or other crops is the price of fuel.

[@gerryhouska2859]

ruSSian agriculture needs little fuel, as implements are traditionally drawn by barbooshkas.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

Maybe Sweden should re-consider.

[@MsZeeZed]

If Putin has to mention the subject, talking to Lukanhesko on TV. then its hurting Russia. I don’t recall Putin ever talking publicly about his bomber aircraft being destroyed at Russian airfields.

[@SRFriso94]

There is a non-zero chance that, as far as Ukraine is concerned, ticking off the Americans with these drone strikes is a feature, not a bug. After all, if America now says "Please don't do that," Ukraine can say "Give use the weapons we need, and you can tell us how to fight this war. Until then, we're going to fight it in the only way we can." Yes, this is basically extortion, but like you say, American aid isn't coming through anyway, so Ukraine doesn't have much to lose.

[@joenunez8507]

So don’t shoot down war panes, because civilians built them?? Dahl Dahl

[@ristoikonen6957]

Oil refineries produce not only petrol and diesel, but also kerosene for jet engines. The refining process produces 73 litres of petrol and 40 litres of diesel from every barrel (159 litres) of crude oil. However, only 15.5 litres of kerosene, which is used in fighter and bomber aircraft, are produced. The amount of kerosene consumed by a fighter aircraft is enormous. For example, the F-15 needs 385 gallons of kerosene per minute, or 88,000 litres per hour. It takes 5.7 thousand barrels of crude oil to process that amount. Oil refineries are definitely an integral part of the military complex. - See Energy Education, "In a barrel of oil"; aerocorner, "How Much Fuel Each Type of Aircraft Uses".

[@wwlb4970]

Also lubricants. Without base mineral oils, nothing turns, nothing moves, nothing flies. The effect of shortage will be felt in a year, when it's time to change oil. Faster than that for turbine oil.

[@johnbooth3073]

Very interesting points. What’s the situation with rocket fuel and drone fuel ?

[@rogerwilco2]

Your numbers as off. An F-15 consumes about 1800 gallons an hour or about 6800 litres. But they are still thirsty machines. 88,000 litres would weight about twice as much as a fully loaded F-15.

[@errata]

lol at your 150 ton f-15 flying for one hour at your calculations :D :D :D

[@ristoikonen6957]

@@rogerwilco2 Thanks for correcting. My mistake.

[@ErikID142]

Last part is pretty ridiculous. You might as well ask “well the Ukrainians need to choose who they use their energy grid to support, either military or civilian use”, or any other resource.

[@KasumiRINA]

Americans, call your local congressman office and make them sign the discharge petition for Ukraine aid, we only need a few dozen more signatures to collect, there are lists with numbers and those who haven't signed yet (mostly "progressives" and Republicans) online.

[@mitchyoung93]

No

[@waywardgeologist2520]

Can all your paycheck be taxed to pay it?

[@AndSan-n7q]

Yes​@@mitchyoung93

[@Fuzzybeanerizer]

@@waywardgeologist2520 Not a Christian, I guess?

[@KasumiRINA]

@@waywardgeologist2520 what?

[@ChristianW1975]

I find all your videos helpful and informative. I appreciate your content very much 👏🏻

[@diegoferreiro9478]

Another factor can be considering what happened with the Afghanistan War and the collapse of the Soviet Union: Soviet people endured for many years a bloody war but it did not had a direct effect until the economic crisis derived from the military expenditure was evident to Soviet citizens. If the war continues as it is now, Putin could persist for years, but if the Russians start to feel the effect of a long-term inflation, then anger and contest will replace the current support or at best indifference to the war.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

Where do you buy your cartoons, smart guy?

[@kevincilek5313]

Always insightful, thank youu

[@MrKakibuy]

It would be interesting to watch if russia raises again the interest rate.. this would be a sure sign that significant damage is being done.

[@peterpeterpeter6315]

it would if the Russian system was working properly, but Putin controls the interest and other indicators at least in part for propaganda purposes. he wants to show the west the sanctions are futile. so the interest rate is kept lower than it should. the currency and reported inflation numbers are also falsely reported. Your making the mistake of assuming that the kreml will make sound decisions in the interest of the people. they dont.

[@JohnMackenzieInverness]

Yeah that will still mean the Ruble will be worthless even China and India don't want Rubles

[@billyruffian1426]

A general price rise caused by fuel shortages is not inflation; which is defined as a monetary phenomenon (e.g. cheap credit, or the state starts printing money.) Increasing interest-rates will tackle inflation proper (by reducing credit and therefore the money supply) but has no effect against non-monetary causes of price increases. Only reduced demand or increased supply can do that. No interest-rate response is expected here.

[@josephchong1683]

@@billyruffian1426 interest rate hikes will reduce demand.

[@billyruffian1426]

@@josephchong1683 Well, yes. But higher prices themselves will reduce demand. It's not a case of the value of money being inflated away, it's just a case of higher prices simply being higher prices. No need to compound everyone's misery by raising interest rates in response to a non-monetary shock.

[@hokroeger]

Russia's strategic bombing of Ukrainian Energy Facilities Will Europe's economy collapse?

[@Stormwern]

"it's not like the hospitals will stop working" ..unlike when Russia hits the Ukrainian electrical grid.

[@tetsu2sweden]

You could also interpret that sentence as a pass to Israel...

[@micindir4213]

​@tetsu2sweden indeed. Russia and Israel have strange bond that transcends time and politics

[@chrismath149]

@@tetsu2sweden As soon as a military force occupies a hospital and keeps arms, hostages and soldiers within it, the hospital becomes a legitimate military target (just like transporting troops in ambulances is not okay). Under such circumstances Israel can legitimately target a hospital. Also, HAMAS lies. Like it did when one of its own missiles ran out of control and hit a hospital parking lot. They claimed hundreds of casualties due to an Israeli missile strike. I am more confident in Israel than HAMAS when it comes to telling the truth.

[@DiceMaster740]

@@chrismath149 I don't doubt that Hamas does use hospitals and schools to provide human shields. They are beyond wrong to do so. That's still little consolation for the innocent civilians who went in for medical care and got blown up, or who sent their young children to school, never to return.

[@grandroyal66]

​​@@tetsu2sweden Inte gör så.. kriget i Ukraina är ett fullskaligt krig vi inte sett i Europa sedan WW2. Hårda ord här men Israel och Palestina "krig, förtryck, Hamas" påverkar inte mycket. Så låt oss fokusera på kriget i Ukraina. Hamas har vunnit informations kriget och det här börjar likna "Save Britney" Missförstå mig rätt ;) Edit: Var en down direkt så.. frågor: Vart bor Hamas tre ledare? ( två kanske nu ) Varför kan dom öppet gå på fotbollsmatcher runt om i världen och leva livet? Vad är deras totala förmögenhet? Ta en fact check på den du.. Slutsats: Hamas är inget annat än ren business.

[@MaximilianBocek]

Strange that the West is squeamish about Ukraine attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country that blew up a dam and has been laying waste to Ukraine's electric grid. I'm pretty sure that Ukraine's equipment runs on gas and diesel, not electricity. Yes, I can see that we'd all love to see our side to be the "good guy" and play by the rules even if the other side does not, but the question is ridiculously out of balance in my opinion.

[@M1903a4]

Not to mention all the civilian residences, hospitals and school Russia has been targeting since the beginning. While Ukraine has been fighting with one arm tied behind its back because the US has denied them any useful offensive weapons all along.

[@richardsimms251]

Absolutely top quality presentation. Thank you. RS. Canada

[@philiptilden2318]

It would be very interesting to know how much fuel is consumed by the Russian military at the moment and how much is consumed by the civilian sector. Thus you could roughly estimate the impact the strikes are making.

[@richdobbs6595]

Not really. The military will get what it needs, followed by the agriculture sector for spring planting. Currently, the oil companies are losing money in order to protect consumers from rising prices, but that will end up leading to gas lines or rationing if this keeps up. And even if the military consumption was small, making an impact on Russian consumers in St Petersburg and Moscow has an impact.

[@plasticjock1090]

Yes very interesting...

[@Fierysaint1]

I seen a graph on this. The civilian and commercial population uses overwhelmingly much more oil than the military believe it or not. It only jumps by a few percentage points. There is a big jump in steel and aluminum production tho. Also, the vast majority of pumped oil in Russia is east of Moscow and way out of range of Ukraine.

[@JohnMackenzieInverness]

Well a tank does about 3 gallons of diesel per mile for Russia tank with 150 gallons onboard that's a range of 60 miles but most get destroyed before they use up the fuel

[@nic.h]

@@Fierysaint1 Ukrainian drones have reached around 1,000km recently. That puts a significant amount of oil infrastructure within range

[@timstocking1111]

...as for the last part of the discussion regarding attacks on refineries being within the limits imposed by the laws of war. Could you not forget to mention all the destroyed Ukrainian hospitals, schools from kindergarten to University level, and the civilian power grid please? Why? Because it's been true that #RussiaIsATerroristState since day one of this war. It began in Bucha, at the Hostomel Aiport, the multiple assassination squads in Kyiv to kill President Zelensky. Another totally irrelevant reason is my blood pressure. I want to scream "RUSSIA IS A TERRORIST STATE!!!" at the top of my lungs when we NITPICK the way Ukrainians prevent this ongoing attempted genocide. Did I mention Russians torture innocent civilians and kidnap children? You name me a war crime you think Russia is NOT guilty of, and I'll spend all my pent up energy on researching it for you instead of screaming out my window. I'll just start my research by reviewing interviews with survivors of Mariupol and returned prisoners, they have pretty much witnessed EVERYTHING. Thank you.

[@carlossaraiva8213]

Well said. About we stop pussyfooting about russia.

[@lindsaycole8409]

I think taking out the oil refineries has been a central part of USA military doctrine since WW2.

[@GeFlixes]

9:00 The cheek that you would need to have to ask Selenzky to prioritize US internal politics when it's internal US politics that is currently keeping US aid out of Ukraine.

[@bombheadgames9565]

Ukraine has only just begun making this war costly for Putin.. Make every step cost a million rubels.

[@dpelpal]

Zelenski is a comedian, and he certainly turned russia into a joke😂

[@aoifemurphy1693]

​@@dpelpal He's just destroyed his own country. Killer Clown 🤡

[@Klaus-y3v]

….a million rubles? A BILLION you mean

[@well9179]

Any war are costly, even for the rich West. There are many military analyst om YT supporting both side.

[@TheTwangKings]

​@@well9179a typical idiotic krembot comment.

[@Nick-from-norfolk]

Your comment about waiting to see how it affects the Russian economy is interesting because my understanding is that they have pretty well stopped announcing economic data and the data they do make public is suspect. The supranational entities WB, IMF etc that do monitor the economy are staffed by Russian analysts so you can’t believe any of that anyway.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

What are you trying to express?

[@miketan4803]

To American politicians & political appointees, remember ploesti during WW2. They are the ones who force Ukraine resort to asymmetric warfare by withholding aid packages. People are fighting for survival, no less than they did in their own war of independence.

[@kviljo]

Your videos are really great. We need more adults in the room, like you, Anders! Much appreciated

[@thechancellor3715]

While fuel such as gas, diesel, jet fuel are the majority of distilled petroleum let's not forget that every vehicle cars, trucks, trains, and all mobile military equipment requires lubricants....as does factory machinery. And then there are the feed sticks for every form of plastics. As the production capacity is diminished, conversely government control of resource allocation becomes greater.....one of the weakest points in Russian adminstration coupled with corruption on a massive scale....oligarchs might be having the night sweats as the situation becomes clearer.

[@kurtwicklund8901]

Reducing Russian refinery capacity also puts pressure on their crude oil extraction system too. Russia cannot store huge oversupply of crude. If they refine less eventually they have to extract less. Once shut down restarting wells might be hard without Western tech.

[@ABCBCNM]

'might be hard without Western tech' is an understatement a bit 😄 Shortly - impossible. Edit - impossible now and in foreseeable future, until other country like China gets to this tech level (and will be willing to use it within Russia). I think may be decade , may be more, a generation ...

[@valeriesolanas4077]

Keep dreaming, wise guy.

[@caccioman]

I do not see the risk of rising oil prices on the global market. That is the beauty of attacks on refineries, not oil wells. Russia still can - and will - pump and sell crude oil. It cannot stop pumping, since it would put the wells at risk (and even if it does, it will loose much needed income), and it cannot store more crude oil for lack of storage facilities. So Russia will have to sell more crude oil to global markets, at unfavorable terms for Russia, but at the same time will have to source refined oil products at global market prices, which is a) hard bc of sanctions and b) costly. No one - except Belarus - will sell refined products to them on favorable (= less than global market price) terms. So the global markets most likely will get „flooded“ with more crude oil, but the refined products will not be reduced at the same level for stated reasons a) and b). So overall, global oil prices should even go down, but at least will not go up.

[@therivalyn195]

Thank you for this analysis. The nonsense being said by Biden's government has been disheartening but could at least be understood as nothing but 'politics'. Not welcome 'politics' however.

[@spamcan9208]

It's arguably worse. We've been hobbling ourselves and Ukraine because some in Biden's administration fear "escalation." The name I see most often when it comes to these self defeating positions is none other than Jake Sullivan, the same guy named in this video.

[@BjorckBengt]

The Biden administratrion is ready to help and the senate has approved a huge aid package, which is held up by Donald Trump & Mike Johnson. It is absolutely essential for the survival of Ukraine that the Democrats win in November.

[@OhFishyFish]

@@BjorckBengt There might be no Ukraine by November, so having the audacity to tell them not to attack ruzzian oil refineries is quite someting.

[@therivalyn195]

@@BjorckBengt I agree it is! And yes trump and johnson are the ones blocking the aid. My comments were critising the Biden administrations criticism of Ukraine for attacking oil refineries. The politics of saying 'we do not support these actions' could well be one of appearance as opposed to anything substantive but I still do not welcome their language. I do think Biden's government has been weak and mistaken in it's 'escalation avoidance' strategy but of course that is better than a pro russian Republican party. If I was murican I would vote Biden.

[@MartinKorsgaard]

Why do we care if its legal? Russia doesn't care, why should Ukraine?

[@BjarneDuelundTV]

Legal? Talk about Russias actions.

[@SuezWSuezW]

I'd be interested in a graph of gasoline prices in Russia, although they must vary between regions for many reasons.

[@budgiefriend]

Tak Anders.🇩🇰🍀🇺🇦👍💯

[@user333-us4qz]

Ja vi er så bekymret for Ukriane. Når vi sender 24 F16 kampfly til Argentina 🙄 som vi lovet ukrainerne 👏🤡

[@xyz-uw3ps]

Right, international law, that thing that applies to Ukraine and Israel, but not to Russia and Hamas. No thanks.

[@brianbutton6346]

I think that we should look at the Russian economy as a "wartime" economy -- and view these bombings in that context. Many "non-military" uses of energy propel the war. Manufacturing of weapons, transportation of weapons, transporting workers and soldiers within Russia (not just the front lines). Manufacturing munitions and defense products (with a *lot* of steel) is highly consumptive of energy. I don't think the pain point is causing Russian to forgo a visit to Aunt Nadia -- it is to undermine the heartbeat of the Russian war machine.

[@danglingondivineladders3994]

The inflation russia publishes appears to be doctored. The interest rate is headed for 17% which tells us that inflation is higher than they claim. In short the strategy isn't critical but it is working. That's how it was explained to me anyhow.

[@svenn-arvidkristensen7920]

oil refineries to my knowledge also make explosive and drug precosors ,i am not absolutely sure . But as as a chemical transporter for more than 30 years i have been told so. If that is the case oil refineries is a very significant target.

[@ArchOfficial]

Oil and gas infrastructure is 100% a military target. One could probably argue for it being dual-use; but dual-use are treated as military. It's different from say electrical or water infrastructure, which are vital for civilians' immediate well-being. The US has bombed Serbian and Iraqi electrical infrastructure, which are gross violations of the laws of war and actually constitute genocide, so they can't really point their finger at Russia for doing the same. To be fair on the US, they did it largely with graphite bombs, which has less of a long-term damage.

[@CrigPlays]

I call bullshit on Sullivans take. Look up Russian export of gas (petroleum). In a global market it's like 1%.

[@OhFishyFish]

1%? Where did you find this nonsense? Before the war, Russian exports were around 11-13% of the total global export. It barely dipped thanks to India, China, and other buyers who launder that oil through dodgy companies simply pumping russian oil from one tanker to another before buying the whole lot.

[@CrigPlays]

@@OhFishyFish go to your local gas station and ask them where you can get some Russian gasoline. I am talking about refined products and not raw/crude oil. Fucking up their refineries has nothing to do with their oil exports.

[@Defeat-Ruzzia--Delete-Putin]

As Ryan McBeth likes to say, create dilemmas for your enemy. don't make problems for your enemy, cuz a problem has a solution. Dilemmas have multiple bad solutions

[@bigdumbfatcat2869]

McBeth is a midwitt who looks impressive to other midwits, such as yourself

[@Defeat-Ruzzia--Delete-Putin]

@@bigdumbfatcat2869 If you were my cat, I'd shave your butt and teach you to walk backwards. How can you argue that dilemmas are easier to deal with than problems?

[@Defeat-Ruzzia--Delete-Putin]

​@@bigdumbfatcat2869If you were my cat, I'd shave your rear and teach you to walk backwards. How is a dilemma better than a problem?

[@Defeat-Ruzzia--Delete-Putin]

​@@bigdumbfatcat2869hey, do us a favor shave yer bum, and walk backwards from now on.

[@Fuzzybeanerizer]

@@bigdumbfatcat2869 So you know this guy's whole life story from one comment, or what?

[@eliotcougar]

Don't forget the impact on agriculture… They basically use the same types of fuel as the military... Russia already planned to use a lot less area for crops this year... Probably hoping that Belarus and Kazakhstan will feed the Russian population... In any case, there will be deficits and high food prices...

[@johnrogerson9834]

Anders, when I watch one of your videos I always find myself looking forward to the next. A question, how many elderly armoured vehicles does Russia have left in its stockpiles? The rate of attrition is high but the Soviet era stocks were great. Do we know where Russia is in the depletion curve?

[@bjt8764]

obviously inauthentic comment -- load the bot with fawning comments... and press send.

[@andrzejbarcelonafrlk6416]

Covert Cabal made material about that question, as much as estimating permits.

[@stevemilo6935]

A nazi in denmark. I've never seen anything like this. I only read about these sorts of things in books.

[@billmacdonald8022]

Is it my imagination or is Ukraine targeting specifically the cracking and distillation towers of all these refineries? As those are the high tech parts that require the most expensive equipment, is would make sense, especially as those are the parts that are manufactured by the big oil companies in western countries, and subject to sanctions. But if they can be sniped out at the ranges involved, that makes the Ukrainian drone technology even more impressive.

[@carlossaraiva8213]

And this is not even their most advanced drone tech yet. Soon they will unleach their 1500 kms range drones making the entire european part of russia from murmanks to the urals to the entire caucasus within their range of operations.

[@Princip666]

Russia built their own refineries, what a surprise, righ? smh

[@Amradar123]

​@Princip666 Those cracking towers were build by western companies using western technology.

[@carlossaraiva8213]

@@Princip666 russia DIN'T built their own refineries, the western companies did. The same companies that have skedaled out of russia. Opsies!

[@TheShorterboy]

oil is a military target it powers everything moving on the battle field, can't shoot a bomb you can't transport

[@andrewkiyko7413]

USA wanting Ukraine to stop taking off the refineries is absolutely nuts. Now that they stopped supplying ammo, they're doing more harm than help.

[@sherylromine3310]

Ukraine MUST do what they have to do! The U.S. Has not had their Back! I feel that they have been let down..

[@godblessusall7696]

The majority of the US population is frustrated by the lack of Ukranian support. Our leadership is out of line. Our leadership suffers from misguided Trump devotion. Our political power MUST change come November 5, 2024. I just wish the vote and the END of the Trump era would come sooner.

[@colonelangus8247]

The majority of the US population couldn't find Ukraine on the map but they do know their border is wide open and it's causing problems in their community.

[@amandacrabtree7437]

​@@colonelangus8247if only maga had put the bipartisan bill to the vote! 🤔

[@alexjaybrady]

Maga Americans claim to worry about open borders yet the US economy particularly agriculture relies on migrant labour to function ... they don't care about this because its about simple 5IQ racism rather than actual concern about borders..

[@obfuscati]

The elites support the war, not the people. Nobody wants WW3 over territory in Ukraine. Wake up

[@jamesbarca7229]

Sorry, but that's just not true. I have yet to personally meet anyone who wants to give billions of dollars of our tax money to another country to fight a war in a place that is of no vital interest to us. According to all of the polls I've seen, that's also the opinion of a majority of Americans. The only place I have ever come across people who support it are online. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but don't presume to speak for the rest of us b/c a majority of us disagree.

[@sinenomine9093]

There is another effect as well, the psychological effect on the civilian population due to the inconvenience of the lack of fuel. The Russian society is pretty much isolated from the deaths of the soldiers but they will naturally have to ask themselves whether the lack of fuel is worth the war.

[@aurochf1]

I am not sure how that will increase the price of fuel globally as the price of crude oil would not be affected (I guess) and most countries have their own refineries which would not sell to Russia.

[@friedhelmmunker7284]

Russia rafinerie work since two years without maintenence. These going out of Business in a short time. Same as the russian Airlines running out of spare parts.

[@Rocket_scientist_88]

Excellent analysis, as always Mr. Neilsen. And I am American, and I feel the same way as you - if the US is not supplying aid to Ukraine, then they have no say in how Ukraine chooses to fight its war.

[@MiguelGomezMountainRunner]

Wait legal? Was it legal for Russia to invade Ukraine in the first place? Was it legal for Russia to send hypersonic missiles into apartment buildings?

[@davidcraig1714]

That is what the US did in WWll!

[@ettoreatalan8303]

What do you mean exactly?

[@migsvensurfing6310]

@@ettoreatalan8303 He is correct. Americans and allies did go after Germanys production of fuel.

[@JohnnyFD]

Thanks for the knowlege! Here's to 2024 =)

[@morten.n]

🇺🇦🇩🇰

[@ufo5220]

Very good content. Thank you very much for your videos!

[@juliamiller8693]

Thank you for your excellent analysis. Since Russia is so aggressive - it is fair and proportionate that Ukraine be aggressive as well. The US right now is being hypocritical to Ukraine. We are judging Ukraine as its people struggle for survival and we ( the US) are not putting our money there so until we step up we should shut up. ( politely of course) ... J

[@traumvonhaiti]

Unfortunately there's no ethics in politics. The American voter is much more interested in the abortion debate rather than the fate of Ukraine.

[@E3ECO]

@@traumvonhaiti In fairness, abortion directly affects our civil liberties, while Ukraine is a more indirect problem for us.

[@peterpeterpeter6315]

@@E3ECO luckily, the majority is both pro choice and pro ukraine, so its not an either or. it just takes some time for sleezy politicians to be voted out after they have showed what they are reaally all about

[@Mats_Larsson_64]

The majority of US residents do not realize that Ukrainians are not only fighting for their own survival, but also for our Western way of life and US leadership in the world.

[@ArsenicShooter]

@@traumvonhaitithere’s no problem with the fact that the USA don’t help Ukraine, but in this case, I totally agree with the OP, they also lose their right to tell them how they should fight. I think you can’t (gov) just sit there watching and yelling do that don’t do that, it is wrong. But yeah, if they assist Ukraine of course they can give them other efficient strategies, that’s fine and that’s all they’re asking in Ukraine.

[@georgeross9834]

Russia does not export refined oil products so how can world crude oil prices increase?

[@thomasmills9492]

Keep up your good work - American hypocrisy - don’t defend yourself against Russia - REALLY - JAW DROPPING😢

[@Marsubleu]

Question: why can't the NATO partners purchase US equipment for Ukraine? I understand congress is stuck on the spending decision, but if it's just a question of money, then why no other solution? Even a lend-lease should be doable to keep the flow of equipment, no?

[@valeriesolanas4077]

No

[@greyshinobi1]

more I learn about Jake Sullivan the more and more disgust I feel for my home country

[@obfuscati]

The only principle guiding the Biden administration is the election. They will sell their mothers if they thought it would seal the election. Everyone should view US actions based on that reality

[@NotOfWomanBorn]

Gotta say this comment feels like the work of a Russian shill. One official is to your disliking and that's enough to make you feel "disgust" for your country? Write letters and make calls to your local congressperson, advocate for his removal from the position of Nat. Sec. Advisor. Saying you feel disgusted by your country, especially by something like this, is just fuel on a fire that helps the enemies of the US more than it heals anything internally.

[@rambleon2838]

You should be more disgusted by Speaker Johnson and his MAGA cult in Congress. What did you learn about Sullivan?

[@bobjohnbowles]

The most charitable thing I can say about Jake Sullivan is that I believe he must be misinformed. His statements make no sense to me.

[@war-painter]

@@NotOfWomanBorn - I dunno, Garry Kasparov was warning us about Jake Sullivan and Bob Burns getting all pally-wally with putin TWO YEARS AGO. He said those three were having closed door meetings that raised his suspicions just after Ukraine was invaded and Jake was blabbing on about peace negotiations with russia which really means rewarding horrendous bloodthirsty aggression. I have NOT trusted ol Jake since. As far as Bob Burns is concerned……the CIA? Really? 🇺🇦🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇦

[@VonKirda]

I really wondered why UKRAINE attacks Russian oil installation. Now why could that be .....?

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

I really like your doing these videos. They are really helpful to understand what is going on. Personally I would love to get a getter understanding of what sort of stock of weapons the Russians have left, and sort of how the balance of things are at the moment, but that is just me.

[@nigelgarrett7970]

For Russian stockpiles, there is a KZbinr called Covert Cabal who analyses satellite images of Russian storage facilities.

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

@@nigelgarrett7970 Sure. But just like with most of his videos, there are a ton of people trying to cover the same topics. I would like to hear his thoughts as an analysts. He simply might not know, and has given a general estimate of them having spent about half of what they got, but the hype last summer was pretty different from the actual facts on the ground. As in a complete airbow.

[@valeriesolanas4077]

Why don't you listen to a Russian channel...if you really want to know...instead of asking Father Anders?

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

@@valeriesolanas4077 Sure. Ask the Russians what the truth is? That sounds about as nuts as it gets

[@philipfreeman72]

My dad was in Germany at the end of WW2 . The Germans were out of fuel & were running trucks on charcoal fumes . They could only go anout 10 mph .

[@valeriesolanas4077]

And....?

[@blasterrax5621]

Appreciate your insightful videos🎉

[@hugoc2660]

If Russia can't refine it'll sell more crude, lowering oil prices globally - or am I wrong? The only gasoline prices going up will be in China, not anywhere else, so why are the Americans "concerned"?

[@Princip666]

If the fishes lived in people's behinds, we wouldn't need ponds. Old saying.

[@MrKbtor2]

Slava Ukraini!

[@johnslugger]

*Interesting that Russia does not have a strategic reserve???*

[@timmommens901]

🔥🔥Burn oil refineries 😑😊 "pas de bras pas de chocolat": Les Intouchables. No money no war. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦✌🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 Internal RF cascade effect

[@TheDaveRout]

So how does Russia attacking energy infrastructure and apartment blocks pass the legal use of force test?

[@mariaf.6601]

I think your question is a 'rhetoric one' The latter doesn't pass, sleeping families aren't soldiers in combat.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Seeing the impact of occasional production accidents on local refineries, a drone hitting a pressure vessel filled with petroleum is a guaranteed explosion. Not to mention creates a dilemma for Russian government regarding military logistics versus local shortages which causes inflation PS - Chinese golf range netting businesses should see a spike in orders.

[@timstocking1111]

Sec of Defense Lloyd Austin testified to Congress that he wanted Ukraine to stop this. Not due to oil refineries being legitimate targets or the effect on the price of oil (which increases Russian revenues to increase defense spending), but simply because he thinks there are better "military targets." It sounds to me as if he is hinting that the military industrial complex is a more important target than refineries. If so, what military targets do you think would be the best ones to hit first? Thank you for your well thought out explanation. Slava Ukraini 🙌🇺🇦❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

[@Yolanta-gh1oc]

Thank you

[@phillipschneider1965]

I don't understand what the what Russia problem is they invaded ukranian actions to that. The Russia is attacking their cities and now they are crying foul. In a war you hit the enemies weakest point and that is what ukranian is doing . All Russia has to do is go home and ukranians will stop.

[@lovebaltazar4610]

Tack Anders för dina uppdateringar 🙂

[@spitfirejme]

The americans have forgoten all about Ploesti, and why the call themselves MASTERS OF THE AIR, surely because they drop out flowers

[@alanshackelford6450]

Thanks!

[@LewisPulsipher]

I WW II severe fuel shortages crippled both Germany and Japan, civilian and military. (They were caused in a different way, not specifically by attacking refineries.) Given what the Russians have done to Ukrainians, I don't think they'll worry too much about legal niceties of what was quite "legal" in WW II.