ULTEM 1010 vs 9085: What's the difference, and which is better? 3D Printing Filament 2020

[@astroimagers]

Excellent info guys. Good to know the options. Looking forward to your vids!

[@brandonhicks7549]

Young’s modulus is “stiffness”, not tensile strength. The fact that the 1010 is quite a bit more stiff (higher Young’s modulus), but only a bit more strong (higher tensile strength) explains the elongation difference-it says nothing of toughness. They both fail brittle, so it says nothing about toughness. Impact strength is a better indicator of toughness than elongation.

[@3dlabs754]

Great video - the glass transition of Ultem 9085 is actually 186C though, might want to update that

[@Anyone700]

Seems like not many people are good at qualifying suppliers on alibaba. I have gotten great PEI 1010 off alibaba at $100/kg.

[@ryanevans2655]

I’m inferring from the greater elongation at break and greater impact strength, that 9085 is maybe better at extreme cold temps, as that 1010’s added strength and stiffness might translate to issues with brittleness in extreme cold. (And I would think the aerospace certification on the 9085 implies ability to withstand temps down to, what, -40 C, for cold climate flight at high altitudes.)

[@yangtomoe2370]

Is this material UV safe? Also Where is the hammer test? You promised Cole McHone that he could smash the two benchmarks with a hammer AND that it would be a slow motion capture! Please post the link to this if it exists, or once you make it. We want to see a comparison of the two materials.

[@VisionMiner]

Polyetherimide (ULTEM) is inherently resistant to ultraviolet radiation, yes -- after 1000 hrs. of exposure, no measurable change with tensile strength. As for the hammer test..... we shall :) oh, we shall :) Working on a longer-term project, printing objects out of every single filament we sell -- probably around January/February, we'll do some hammer/blowtorch/acid tests! :)

[@fmpairsoft9039]

Good stuff, guys. Clean, concise, and informative.

[@VisionMiner]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@EmberSkyMedia]

If I wanted to start printing in ULTEM, what printer would your recommend that meets the required temperature specs? I'm looking at making small parts for an engineering project.

[@VisionMiner]

Depends how thick you need it, but you can't beat the Funmat HT for the price. If you need giant solid parts, though, better machines will be available next year, after the stratasys patents expire.

[@GAMERGEBITER]

@@VisionMiner What kind of machines do you have in mind? 22IDEX is also „only“ 90 degrees in the chamber. The AON3D M2+ would be great but in a way higher price class. Any suggestions?

[@citterly]

I really like these materials and their potential for making usable parts in automotive applications. What machines, printers, are generally used when getting started? I have a solid hobbyist background in 3d printing as a point of reference. Thx

[@VisionMiner]

Funmat HT is a great place to start at $7500, still nothing on the market close in quality and price... don't be fooled by the Creatbot's, we hear too many horror stories from customers about them....

[@MFEeee]

Nice. What about humidity? Do these materials suffer from humidity like basic materials? Thank you

[@robjack3159]

So did you say that 1010 can be used to make straws or 9085?

[@JPabloDonayreQuintana]

What kind of printer can be used with ULTEM 9085 ? I mean, best balance between cost and capability. Can you give us some Printer models that can be used with ultem 9085 please ?

[@VisionMiner]

All the printers on our website are high temp -- except the creator 3 -- check them out here! visionminer.com/printers

[@intercepter01]

Forgive me but I am somewhat new to 3D printing. What kind of printer setup do I need to print with this? Can I print using an open printer or dose it need to be closed and heated? I have and ender 3 right now and I am getting a artillery sidewinder x1. Will they work?

[@VisionMiner]

Unfortunately not, you'll need a high-temp machine with a heated chamber for these. Best deals on our site! visionminer.com/printers -- as new options come out, we generally vet/test printers, and then offer them for sale, so check back every so often to see what's new out there!

[@musicalatv]

It would be nice to have a video that compares all high temp materials to each other. I am the one that works in Auburn that emailed yesterday and today.

[@VisionMiner]

Oh hey! Took us awhile to respond here, but I remember you :) (this is Rob) -- getting into the swing of material testing on our new UTM, so those will come soon! Also, a good overview of just the HT's might be a great video, thanks for the idea!

[@luckeypolishing]

Hay Guys, love the content... what's the strongest single layer filament? That could replace a thin body object of steel metal?

[@JasonScottHamilton]

Where are you finding impact strength data for these materials? I’d like to get this for the other 3DXtech materials but they told me they don’t test for that when I contacted them.

[@VisionMiner]

The measurements are based on the resin itself -- we're acquiring some machines to do the printed tests ourselves, so stay tuned!

[@JasonScottHamilton]

Vision Miner I did some research and some printing with both materials and using the resin numbers is quite misleading. If you take a look at the stratasys data sheets, they have tensile strength and impact resistance data. While 1010 is impressive in the x-y orientation it’s lackluster in the z direction. 9085 data on the z axis is among the best of ALL filaments for tensile strength and impact resistant. Because of this and it’s ease of print ability it’s the clear winner at this price point.

[@VisionMiner]

@@JasonScottHamilton Absolutely correct -- I always tell customers and potential customers to throw the TDS out the window, since it all depends how it's printed -- but 9085 is definitely our favorite out here! Also, some companies are finally starting to include x/y, y/z, z/x numbers on sheets -- but even then, it's misleading based on the geometry of the part. We essentially need an entirely new system of standards.

[@andrigtmiller]

I'm having trouble finding the thermal conductivity of Ultem 9085 and 1010. Do you guys know what the thermal conductivity is for these two materials?

[@spock6692]

You guys have a good style and a strong sense of humor! Enjoyed watching this video. Thank you! :)

[@munish259272]

Masticating juicers are made of ultem, i am not sure which version of ultem. They crush raw foods to make juice, do you think they have the power to crush foods without releasing harmfull chemicals in the food/juice. All that compression and churning/friction would be creating some heat. How strong are they when compared to stainless steel

[@VisionMiner]

Wow, interesting! We've got an Omega masticating juicer, and always wondered what the auger was...

[@rezonite]

Are those the only two colors?

[@VisionMiner]

You can get 9085 in Black, or 1010 with Carbon Fiber (which makes it black) -- but right now, yes. Generally adding pigments will affect the mechanical properties of the material, so often, natural is opted for.

[@soneralpay7565]

Thanks Team!..

[@acuerdaSueltaYopal]

What 3d printing material do you recommend for small mechanical parts?

[@VisionMiner]

When choosing a material you need to know your environment. Things to consider: 1. Temperature resistance 2. Chemical Resistance 3. Mechanical strength (rigid? ductile? self lubricating?) 4. Price of raw material Thus, PEEK is a great option, but generally not cost effective or necessary -- usually overkill. For general parts our go-to is CFPA6, or for high-temp ULTEM 9085.

[@sebastiancamarena2824]

7:25 "Spend money on the pure stuff you know you can trust" I 100% apply this to legal activity

[@VisionMiner]

😂😂😂😂😂🔥

[@josiahong5177]

I found Ultem 1010 filament for 25 bucks canadian per 500g for a 2.85mm roll. But for 1.75mm, it's a different story at $100 per 500g. I'm still not sure why.

[@VisionMiner]

beware -- there are a lot of fake ultems on the chinese market these days. At that price, it's almost guaranteed to be fake, as the pellets cost more per KG than that :) Unless it's a crazy blowout sale, since I don't know of any high-temp printers using 2.85mm filament.... hmmm!

[@josiahong5177]

@@VisionMiner it's from a canadian vendor, but I asked them, and they did say it was not pure ultem. Also, it was on huge clearance at the time, but now it's gone.

[@josiahong5177]

@@VisionMiner Is Ultem 1000 similar to 1010? Filastruder sells Ultem 1000 pellets for $10 USD per lb, or around $21 USD per KG, oh i see what you mean.

[@josiahong5177]

i asked them again and they said it was pure. I'm now very confused.

[@TheEtbetween]

Is nylon x stronger than peek?

[@VisionMiner]

Not even close, PEEK is easily 10X stronger

[@__--JY-Moe--__]

so..4200Mpa wouldn't that mean..4.2BillionPascal??

[@VisionMiner]

Looks like it :)

[@brold6111]

Minute 1:22 the fuck is that guy doing with an VR headset wrenching under the car. Am I missing something?

[@VisionMiner]

Good catch :) Stock footage gets weird!

[@innerverse1809]

Dude on the right needs a drug test lol.

[@innerverse1809]

Only kidding. I value both of your knowledge, very informative

[@VisionMiner]

Hahahaha definitely made us laugh! :'D

[@niallcockbill]

With the 1010 vs 9085 in the scenario of a car intake plenum adapter which would be better? Also if the car had forced induction which can withstand higher pressure?

[@VisionMiner]

Honestly you should consider our High Temp Nynlon + CF, with temp ratings similar to 9085 and far easier to print -- but 9085 is generally better due to the impact resistance as long as the temperature isn't going too high -- 1010 can be more brittle, and it's nice to have some give in there. Plus, it's easier to print!

[@luckeypolishing]

Hay Guys, love the content... what's the strongest single layer filament? That could replace a thin body object of steel (metal)?

[@VisionMiner]

probably PEEK... or CFPEEK :)

[@GAMERGEBITER]

@@VisionMiner Or maybe PEKK / CFPEKK