Ultimate 3D Printer Tier List - 2024 with Sale Pricing

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Sorry, I forgot to rank Bambu Lab, I didn't notice them at the end of the list. I will make sure to rank them next time. They make very good printers, please use my Bambu Lab Affiliate link to purchase one today! shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2282157&u=3447554&m=138211&urllink=&afftrack=

[@nmavor]

still "The link is not currently active." :) i feel Bambu will NEVER let it go

[@ParkerLange1224]

Geez

[@Bcast791]

Seems like bambu might have watch this video and removed the link access … lol

[@willofthemaker]

Kind of like how Jimmy Fallon could never get to Matt Damon

[@TNX255]

Uh huh, uh huh, wink wink nod nod

[@kickinitedwards2168]

You've convinced me. Bambu printers are so S tier that they don't even need to be talked about. I'm going out and getting one today.

[@thegrumpygamer3081]

I just did today.....😁

[@SnoringVids]

Use the affiliate link 😂. Good choice though for a first printer they are awesome. You won't learn allot about dealing with finnicky printers though. The only thing that is better about my old modded ender 5 is that it prints garbage filament like a champ whereas the A1 mini struggles to print anything besides bambu filament for the first layer

[@richardromer0o]

this ranking is super interesting, and i really enjoy seeing how different machines compare, i’ve used prusa machines before,they’re incredibly reliable, and the print quality is always solid,creality, on the other hand, has been great for tweaking and customizing, which i really enjoy, that said, i’m really excited about the flsun s1 pro, the specs look amazing, and i’d love to see you test it in the future, if it performs well, do you think it could move up in the rankings? looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Is this a human comment?

[@richardromer0o]

​@@NathanBuildsRobots dude, are bot comments really that bad now? chill out a bit, man

[@artemyevtushenko8722]

As a user of both creality and Bambu I think it’s pretty unprofessional to ignore Bambu constantly. I don’t like closed source patent squatting but if a friend asks for a recommendation, Bambu is on that list for reasons you didn’t bring up.

[@petermikus2363]

Personally i feel like he's just playing into the memes at this point

[@oldman1944]

It's about generating comments to get the video featured in the KZbin ranking, nothing more than that. Which is understandable, it's the only way to get views.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

How do I delete comments?

[@NWGR]

And that's exactly why his credibility is in the dumpster. There's a lot of 3d printing focused content creators who don't get butthurt when a company drops them, which is what happened in this case. A shame really, because Nathan's content has generally been decent, but I find it difficult to not take any of his recent video with a grain of salt. The K2 plus S tier already? I don't know about that. I want one, but I think it hasn't been out long enough to give a solid recommendation one way or another.

[@jonroth6981]

@@NWGR he is still sore from them dumping him, i think he was making a little cash, it is petty and you cant really take him seriously or consider him unbiased as he is pushing creality for his own gain now, thats cool he can do that its just entertainment

[@upanie1]

You really hate Bambu Lab :D

[@andreas.grundler]

No, he loves them just as much as they love him 😉

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

They really did Nathan dirty, but hes cool with it.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Just playing my part at this point.

[@skunkprints7952]

@@upanie1 I run bambu machines exclusively in my farm but the fact NBR continues to represent other manufactures forces everyone to keep pushing the limits. Glad we aren’t all stuck with only one option. 😘

[@elleryfg7853]

​@@skunkprints7952Did you even watch the video?

[@gunningdesign]

I run a University print farm. The only printers I recommend to the students are Bambu. They work flawlessly out of the box. (Although the box has next-level packaging waste! When you unpack it, it's like the printer wasn't in there.) It's hilarious that you 'forgot' them.

[@WeekendToasty]

I work at a university and, personal opinion, a university would be better served with things like Ultimakers? Bambu is the iPhone of 3d printing which is amazing! I think for students it should be a combination. Have the easy closed source and the learning from open source that can usually out perform closed source once tuned properly.

[@wukon_one]

I'm torn between the K2 Plus and the FLsun S1 Pro. Do you have any info on the S1 Pro?

[@timbly-machines]

Small editing tip, when you're putting B-roll over top of your voice over, don't use footage where a person is talking. It's confusing to see a person with their mouth moving but it doesn't match the words.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

@@timbly-machines I need to photoshop my talking head over the B-roll

[@s14tam]

I haven't kept up to date on the latest comings and goings in the 3d printing scene for a while now. This video was a great re-introduction to one of my favorite hobbies. Thank you

[@Burnstation3D]

companies need to stop sending early units to influencers, send them to friendly testers who sign NDA. Most of these early problems would get resolved before a single review or public tester has had a chance to touch them. Prime example, the Plus4 was considered one of the printers of the year by early reviews and then it all went down hill from there. Qidi could have saved a lot of face that way, i think its why Creality had pushed the K2 Plus embargo a few times...really would make you consider the review you sat on to release when they have already fixed the things you were going to complain about lol.

[@mminto]

NOT BIASED ENOUGH!

[@sebarsS9]

You made some great points about the Bambu machines! Although some of them might be a bit debatable.

[@Guardian_Arias]

The firmware fix is already out for the K2 Plus. It uses the nozzle cam to compare a baseline image to the current status. I wonder how sensitive it is, I've yet to get my K2 to abuse it.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

The best thing to do is to limit filament changes anyways. This older type of multimaterial system is incredibly wasteful

[@jmelchiori85]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Is it older or just cheaper? Wonder how many purges it would take to break-even on a Prusa XLx5 vs the K2 Plus

[@Guardian_Arias]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Agreed but the Bambu AMS has still been incredible in a high-volume production environment where I can have multiple of the same spools loaded up and allow the system to auto swap when the filament runs out. In this use case the AMS actually reduces waste. When I get my K2 to replace the Bambu I will be doing massive work on my SV08 to turn it into a multihead system with a two-color AMS per head for auto runout swaps. The open source AMS/MMU project is called Enraged Rabbit Community Project (ERCF)

[@Guardian_Arias]

@@jmelchiori85 At 1/2 grams wasted per filament change you will need to do over 195 thousand filament changes to break even on a Prusa XLx5. In other words, you will need to waste 97.8 spools of filament. But at those poop rates it actually becomes economically viable to buy a T-Shirt Heat Press for printing designs onto them for 100usd and use that to recycle the poop into sheets of plastic. Bottom line Prusa as always is overrated but still loved for past deeds.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@jmelchiori85 - Maybe the question is how many purges will it take to break even on a FlashForge AD5X versus the K2 Plus. It's likely the AD5X will cost hundreds of dollars less than a K2 Plus so there is a negative break even point. In all fairness, the AD5X doesn't have a heated enclosure and a 350 mm cubed build volume, but it does feed TPU in its 4 filament feeder, and that's HUGE for me. I'll probably live with the smaller build volume and I'll cobble my own heated chamber, and I'll still have enough left over to buy an SV08 or Neptune 4 Max. I wish Elegoo made Pro versions of the larger Neptune printers with all steel motion control systems. My Neptune 4 Pro is a real workhorse.

[@KarlMeyer]

I don’t think it’s fair to lower Prusa down a rank because they pay their employees a living wage. You are punishing a good company for making good products who take care of there people.

[@mr.rapter4517]

I mean life isn't fair, what matters is the cost to the end consumer and what you get for that cost. It isn't our fault that their printers are so much slower than their competitors, their MMU barely works yet the printers cost twice as much. Also it's not like they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, nobody forces them to release another bedslinger, they just have to innovate so the printers are worth the cost to the consumer. XL is great when it works, so hopefully that shows them the way forward.

[@Orthodox_for_ever]

​@@mr.rapter4517 exactly

[@nightcrayon]

@@mr.rapter4517 "so much slower"? must have missed that... mk4s seems more or less on par with an x1 unless you want really matte, brittle prints.

[@ROMPE_NALGAS_24-7]

How many times do I have to keep saying Prusa is DEAD. i give them 3 to 5 years and they will sell out or go bankrupt i hate to say it but they are falling way behind with their slow a$$ bed slingers maybe if they had a few core xy fast printers like the comp then they would not be a dying company. Joseph Prusa will REGRET NOT catching up to the comp. ANYWAY RIP PRUSA

[@icenode]

I own and love Prusa, but cost is absolutely a purchase consideration factor. On the other hand, Prusa's genuninely top notch, crazy easy to contact Support is absolutely a differentiater.

[@CtrlAltPrint]

I was able to get the creality K1C for 350 on Black Friday brand new was pretty stoked been wanting one since the k1 dropped

[@AlexDenton0451]

This video is an incredibly informative 49 minute joke with a 30 second punchline lol. In all seriousness thanks for the info Nathan, genuinely helps a lot.

[@anthonylong5870]

ROL!!!! Nate your killin me! Bambu sitting there in the basement all lonesome....Hilarious!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Oh no, don’t tell me I forgot to rank them?! And I accidentally left them in D tier?!?! Oh nooooooooo 😮

[@anthonylong5870]

@@NathanBuildsRobots OH the horror of it!!! 🤣

[@BikeEngine1958]

NBR, thank you for another awesome 3D printing video. I think you are one of the most credible people in the 3D printing community.

[@MisterkeTube]

Honestly, none of the brands apart from Prusa and Bambu should be in A or S tier. Reason: customer support! Creality might now have a couple of decent printers (K2 plus, K1C, Ender 3 v3), but these use pretty specific proprietary parts, which makes me more concerned about Creality's track record of having no long term support. This is the company that cannot even make clear what their official Internet store would be, having numerous self-proclaimed "official" Creality stores., which Creality seems to tolerate. That just does not give confidence that in 2 years you'll still find parts for all the variants of nozzles they introduced lately. If you get your printer for free and replace it with another free one after a few months, customer support might not be on your mind, but after years of affordable (sorry prusa) 3d printers basically being stuff you had to fully maintain on your own without support, Bambu (affordable since the P1) has been such an improvement that any brand not offering the same level of documentation and part availability just isn't on the same tier in my book!

[@trugbilddrachen]

I haven't seen many of these companies support printer firmware for more than a year. Bambulab and Prusa has at least updated their firmware for more than a year. Prusa is even nice we they have update/grade paths so you can get the most out of your printer. I understand some of the upgrade paths is cheaper to sell the old and purchase a new one, however they held their resell value pretty well, mini. It included.

[@TheLeftIsASocietalCancer]

Great channel.. I always liked old pre-70’s text books, Old encyclopedias, Schematics, Maps..Factual data.. No fluff.. Rad🤙🏼

[@musacekic]

if the qidi plus 4 didnt have issues what would you get, qidi plus 4 or k2 plus?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

K2 plus. It will have better long term support in the aftermarket since it will sell in greater volume, the extra size is very nice, and it’s very well built

[@musacekic]

@@NathanBuildsRobots appreciate it man, thank you!

[@missingpunctuation]

@@NathanBuildsRobots What are different points that make the K2 plus better built than the Qidi plus 4?

[@unzensiert-ungeschnitten3990]

Make a similiar video about your hairstyles and why they are all in tier D

[@peggle09]

I have not met anyone that does not love their Bambu lab printer. I love my A1 mini and X1C both with ams.

[@mitchnak1]

NBR: "Quickly Becoming the Least Trusted Source in 3D Printing News". To basically ignore the one company (BL) that single-handedly revolutionized an industry simply because you got slighted by them significantly undermines your overall credibility and relevance

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Oh crap, I forgot to rank Bambu Lab. Oh well, I'll get them in the next one!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Bambu Fanboy Detected

[@kiddbuu7753]

@@NathanBuildsRobots​​⁠​⁠dont think that has anything to do with being a fanboy. Just bc someone liked Bambu doesnt make them a fanboy. Same can be said about you with your hatred for bambu. Hypocrite. Grown man acting like a child

[@skunkprints7952]

@@mitchnak1 who hurt you?

[@Antrim3d]

@mitchnak1 Can you show us on this anatomically correct doll, where BBL touched you?

[@CatchiestWorm12]

Literally the only person on the planet who actually remembered the SV08 lol

[@YoSpiff]

That was helpful. I started with an Ender 3 V2. It was a learning experience, but definitely not a "just works" kind of machine. I upgraded to an Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro a bit over a year ago. Some early firmware related issues, but running reliably now. I find your placement of the Neptune 4 Plus and Max above the 4 to be curious as those seem to have have had more problems than the 4 and 4Pro, judging from the FB group for this series. Maybe they have those issues resolved now. Might eventually get a core XY with a large bed, but not in any rush. Multi material would be nice, but the time and wastage are a big negative.

[@saturnmedia1]

No QIDI Q1 pro? $400 and core XY. You can’t really make carbon fiber prints with a 350C nozzle and 245mm^3 build volume and 65°C heated chamber for any cheaper. Full print profiles for orca and their slicers. I have one and I’d say it’s a very good value for the price. All of the review issues like the bed alignment have been fixed. Look into it. :)

[@Kimberlie1]

Haha, he's already Creality Robots, what good can you expect him to say about other brands?😝

[@awildridehome9469]

The Q1 pro is the best value for money if you are printing any filaments that aren’t PLA or PETG, and it’s not even close.

[@JJFX-]

It's a solid machine for some engineering materials but let's be real, you can print a lot with a ~300C nozzle and a ~100C bed. Hell, I went through many, many rolls of CF-ASA/ABS just using a modified Ender 3 Pro and a DIY enclosure. The heated chamber is certainly great to see at this price and I've spotted some deals on their larger models that are especially interesting.

[@knowyourjoe8826]

I really like the idea of the sound levels and filtered odor of the M5 Pro, the out of the box ease of use and print quality of the Bamboo stuff and the multi-color head design that does not waste a lot of material and the build volume and price of the Neptune 4 Max. Looks like I will keep looking for bit. Your review of the K2 Plus seems like it gets really close but at this point I cannot justify the expense as something to just occasionally mess around with. Like most things manufactured them seem to get better and less expensive as time goes on. I just might have to make some big compromises in what features I want or the amount I am willing to spend. Maybe 2025 will be the breakthrough year.

[@sheikoner]

Thanks for this video! Thats what all we need!

[@olafmarzocchi6194]

I thnk the Q1 deserved a spot, considering heated chamber, quality and quite good price

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Yeah the chamber heater that in some conditions exposes the user to wall voltage via the chamber heater fins

[@Liberty4Ever]

When Nathan mentioned Qidi making disposable printers they support for a year or two and then no more access to proprietary parts, I thought, "Preach it, brother." I bought five Qidi FDM printers for a print farm based on perceived value - many high end features at a low cost. The reliability was very bad, the designs were difficult to service, and the proprietary parts were difficult to source for a year and then impossible. $3000 in printers and repair parts went into a landfill without ever making any commercial products. Then like an idiot, I fell for it again with a couple of Qidi resin printers. Sovol and Elegoo have been a *much* better value proposition. I'm not a fan boy for any 3D printer company, but I do have one rule. No more Qidi.

[@richkaiser9453]

what is the best small build volume FDM printer

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

A1 Mini if you are ok with sub-200mm size

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

While it’s on sale for $199 + $15 shipping

[@richkaiser9453]

@@NathanBuildsRobots that is kinda what i am looking for i do a lot of little prints, you have the same mindset when it comes to printers, i want quality and reliability first and foremost speed is a nice bonus

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

The "best" would be a Lerdge iX, Voron 0 or even a Rat Rig V-Chonk. There simply cannot be a "better" (!) printer for you than the one you built by yourself, know the functions and simply know how to service it with any problems that might could occur. That is one big downside of any prebuild: you don't know anything about it and when there is a problem (which it's going to happen) it's getting frustrating. If you want "the best" there is no other option than DIY. The Lerdge is by far the cheapest one, starting at 160 bucks. But you can spec that thing up to a 300 bucks "A1 Mini like" machine. The Voron 0 is the most advanced one with many options (tool heads). Maybe even too much for a beginner to choose.

[@richkaiser9453]

@@hassosigbjoernson5738 thanks for the help and info never heard of the Lerdge printer

[@Georgous92]

Would you recommend the K1max over a P1s? In terms of print quality and ease of use. I’ve never 3D printed before the moneys a big outlay so I want to make sure I invest it in the right place. Just want to know what’s best value for money. I know they didn’t rank in your list haha. But just wanted an honest impartial opinion. I can’t quite justify the money for a K2

[@nekrosoft13]

I like my anycubic kobra 3 combo... A color printer that i got for $335. Works great, nothing can beat it for that price.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

That actually sounds like a great deal

[@Gateseleven]

i was almost buying that, issue i had was i heard the printing firmware is needing some updates for it to be great. these guys have sale often and kinda bad costumer service so i waited.

[@shanepearce1629]

i would not recommend anycubic kobra 3 combo to first time buyers or any one that dose not like taking things apart to fix them filament eaten by the rollers that is most likely the clicking sound you see on youtube videos filament broken and jammed on the rear Bowden setup on the ace

[@Idklol603]

Nathan, can you please like prove that creality isn’t paying you or smth bc this is getting to be a bit much.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I disclose sponsors on all sponsored videos. This video has no sponsor.

[@billy.the.maker.]

there is 4 companies ranked higher that creality, what are you talking about? xd

[@jmelchiori85]

Bait successful I guess.

[@denzev612]

All my creality printers are better then my neptun 4 plus. And on forums its always the first layer problem or z offset. On creality printers i never had that problems

[@AndrasBuzas1908]

Sovol is actually paying him

[@WEMAKE3DP]

Great video. One thing about the pricing, can you point out that the Chinese government sponsors manufacturers so they keep their prices low ? We all know that there no way you can sell a printer for 180 dollars with all those features and custom parts in it. Competition is ruthless and everyone must do their best but when playing against companies who have an unfair advantage it is fair to point that out.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I don't have in-depth knowledge on this issue. is there a good resource, or a well-cited news article to find out more information?

[@WEMAKE3DP]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Just google the "Made in China 2025" program and you will find out the amount of subsidies given to 3D printer manufacturers.

[@djbryant77]

But American taxpayers don't want their government supporting private business. Unless they are too big to fail.

[@WEMAKE3DP]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Google "Made in china 2025" and you'll learn a lot about it

[@TheAbdou94]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Google " made in china 2025 "

[@Aleksandrfilatov24]

What about Bambu lab?

[@KrisKnight]

How do you feel about Micron+? My interest is in finding a CoreXY kit with a small build volume. I already own a Prusa MK4S, Prusa Mini+, and my old modified Ender 3 pro (or what's left of it). That LDO Rook MK1 and Adventurer 5M look interesting, so many options!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I thought micron is a joke? So what is the Micron+? I bigger joke?

[@danielabrams555]

I built one a few months ago. It's a solid little printer. The build is a pain, but the printer works great. 1515 builds are annoying because you must preload the t-nuts. Also, the Micron documentation isn't complete, so you will need to rely on the CAD model to complete the build. I recommend the printer, but I wouldn't recommend it as someones first self built printer.

[@FunctionalPrintFriday]

Could have at least worn a flowered shirt under the red jacket . .

[@daniellemack5648]

You have Bambu Lab and their printers on your list, but you never mentioned them or said how you would rank them! I feel like I just got ripped off as I was curious to see and hear your comparison of their printers to others on the list! I clicked on your video MAINLY for the Bambu Lab printers!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Sorry I will include them next time, I forgot to rank them. I think I would do: X1C as S (high cost makes it a low S, but still very good) P1S as A (poor user interface keeping it from S) P1P as C (just get a p1S or adventurer 5M at that point) A 1 as A A1 Mini as S (best value printer possibly ever at its current sale price of $199)

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Company overall as C/D

[@kaivanderbijl4272]

As long as it's sponsored or theres a good relationship the printer goes to S Tier... How can a cheap bed slinger be in S Tier? The Flash forge may be good, but is it S Tier??

[@kewtd72]

Great video, i love my anycubic kobra 2 max and have had no issues with it , also have the kobra 2, but like you said this is your ranking system, its unfortunate that you rated them so low as not all of us are pro's like you. I do not find the max being loud at all. The first kobra now that was loud as hell lol. I wish there were more influencers with a more neutral mindset instead of leaning on their own brands while bashing others.

[@brandonmullen2328]

I have the Kobra3 combo and its a pretty good printer. I love the ACE unit for drying and the way it loads, it's much easier to use than the AMS. I obviously haven't seen the K2 yet and Creality's unit but it's been great. It prints faster than my a1 and the printer poop is less than the bambu as well they've really dialed it in. I did have an issue and support actually helped me. I like it way better than my Sv07

[@nekrosoft13]

My Kobra 3 been working great too... Few times I had issues with cardboard spools, now just need to be a bit more careful and buy plastic spools.

[@JJFX-]

While I agree many Voron parts are over engineered and suggest some unnecessarily expensive components, I don't think implying they're 'rickety' or unstable is entirely fair. A well-built Voron is damn reliable and can produce truly beautiful prints comparable to much more expensive machines. I'm sure you know why ABS is used and awhile back I even built a Voron within tolerance using just a modified Ender 3 Pro so I'm not sure why that's a negative. I can respect why you left Bambu out but I think it's a mistake to not even mention them (aside from engagement) while still including them on there. A lot of people don't know the details about why they're criticized. IMO that's how to push back, not simply ignoring them.

[@floridasaltlife]

The only one running in the background looked like the A1 Mini

[@GascanNBK]

ratrig 500 idex printer, my favourite right now is Qidi X-Max 3, because of easy use, slice, upload and forget.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I’d love to have one of those! They look awesome!

[@monnom6574]

​@@NathanBuildsRobots Qidi tech shouldn't be a lower tier than Elegoo, Sovol or Flashforge... 😬 And the Max-3 should be listed as A tier. They screwed up with the Plus4 in term of QC, and that shouldn't have happened but they build very more reliable printers than Creality or Flashforge.

[@ficklecycler]

​@@monnom6574As an owner of a Q1 Pro, I agree with you. C tier feels harsh! I returned a K1C for it and didn't look back. I literally click print and DON'T watch the first layer. It's that reliable.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@monnom6574 - I hope Qidi has fixed their earlier issues with reliability and maintainability. I bought a total of seven Qidi printers and regret every one. I'm done with Qidi, no matter how many features they offer at how few dollars. The false value is what suckered me into buying their printers and spending more time working on them than printing, and being forced to throw them away a year later when they came out with a new proprietary design and stopped supporting my printers.

[@TNX255]

You gotta get a RatRig V-Core 4 to test and review, preferably a big hybrid (extra X & Y motors) IDEX one! They look sweet, physically and also software-wise with their own customized Klipper called RatOS with some advanced features like using a camera for IDEX calibration. And! They have the most important feature a printer can have - INTERNAL spool holder! BTW. those Shareasale links never work for me - are they US only or is my anti-tracking & ad-blocking protection just too jumpy? It's not just your links either, it's all of them.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

No idea, share a sale isn't a very reliable platform. Seems like it works well in the US/Australia

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

But yeah. I'd love a ratrig v-core IDEX I could do some crazy stuff with it

[@SippoCoffee]

I would like to see a ranking video with 2 axes, like quality on y and price on x, or overall experience to price or modability or works out of the box. These tierlists are everywhere and I appreciate your input, but at this length of a video, I quickly forget why a company or printer is in it's tier (good and cheap, but how good compared to the others in the tier, if price is not that important). lucky I'm not looking for a new printer at the moment, so I could just enjoy your thought

[@andreas.grundler]

The spool holders on the AD5X remind me of the Prusa XL. A really nice design.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Yeah, that's what I thought as well. It just makes sense to package it all onto the machine's frame to avoid all the extra wires and bowden tubes and desk space

[@ManuelBarner]

In the Creality Facebook Groups the first people were already getting their K2s shipped over the last week. It looks like Creality started earlier

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Yep, if they did the pre-order, which was 4-6 months ago, they should be getting theirs now.

[@TheOneAndOnlySatan]

The diventive 3D printer list ❤

[@andreas.grundler]

What is your take on the RatRig V-Core 4? Seems to be a good kit.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

They look great, I’d like to try one out

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Big fan of the v-minion

[@RaRa-xg7le]

Awesome ending!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Oh no, I think I left something out... Oh well🧝

[@nigel5823]

i moved my flsun T1 in to another room so bloody load i have installing the new silent fan upgrade it be here tomorrow only place you can order it is in china shipping time to the UK is 5 to 7 days recorded signed for

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I would love using it if it wasn’t so loud

[@guitarchitectural]

Kinda weird that you didnt include bambu and also put them at the end of your chapters. What's going on here?

[@lifetech101]

Does K2 Plus have better print quality than P1S?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Hard to say since I don’t have a P1S to compare against.

[@lifetech101]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Send me the k2 plus and i will run the comparisons.

[@monnom6574]

Nope. Creality can't honestly compete. And I have no love for Bambu as company, but let's be honest, not the same League.

[@oldman1944]

@lifetech101 From what I've seen so far, P1S has neater layer stacking, but K2 looks to have less VFA, which is a real weak point on the P1s and X1C

[@awildridehome9469]

I would personally hold off on rating the Creality K2 so high when consumers haven’t gotten it yet; it might have the same or more issues as the Qidi Plus4

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I looked at the electronics with a thermal camera while using the chamber heater. Looked fine. You know, there are ways to properly test things? Most KZbinrs don’t know this one simple trick

[@nmavor]

no love for peopoly magneto x ? its one of the more "new stuff" in 2024 andits on sale

[@TMS5100]

the magneto seems to quickly run out of steam and fallen out of favor after the launch. its a neat motion system but doesnt really do anything significantly better than anyone else.

[@philipthurston7860]

considering what you said about Ankermacke, Creality doesn't belong in B tear

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Where would you rank them? I’d rank 2020 creality in S tier crap printers, but great for the value at the time 2022 in D tier, pace of innovation and QC too poor 2023 in C, turning things around 2024 in B, finally where they need to be in terms of quality IMO they are on a good trajectory, making better machines than ever

[@nekrosoft13]

​@@NathanBuildsRobots K1 had a bumpy start. By the time I got my k1 max, it seemed like everything got ironed out.

[@floridasaltlife]

Silliest review ever skipping over the current Bamboo stuff, Their A1 or A1 Mini was the only one actually running in the background during the video working.

[@ZappyOh]

I started on a CR10 ... I'm glad that is gone now :)

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Still bigger than anything the bamboo company has made

[@kiddbuu7753]

@@NathanBuildsRobotsyou a grown man who is obsessed with crying about bambu 😭

[@gitss7367]

I am amazed every time I see all he people who have upgraded CR10 machines in service or as special use machines. The multiple trees of creality CR10 builds through the year is almost like species evolution but for 3d printers.

[@AllieT-wq8eq]

As a Neptune 4 Max owner there is NO WAY I would call it an S-tier. It has the *potential* to be an S-tier, but out of the box I would rate it "B" tops. Even with the firmware fixes, there are still major QC issues that haven't been addressed.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

What sort of QC issues? I only have experience with the Neptune 4 they sent me which worked great, and I’ve looked at their display models at various conventions. They seem to work well from what I’ve see

[@AllieT-wq8eq]

@@NathanBuildsRobots The Max in particular is susceptible to really bad bed warp, warped and uneven gantries, filament collecting around the hotend and building into a "blob of death" - early firmware had so many issues that a custom Klipper firmware called "OpenNept4une" was released. If you look up "Neptune 4 issues" there is a plethora of videos covering the various problems.

[@UnboxTheSocks]

Great vid. The ad5x from flashforge looks interesting. Normally companies choose to launch their pro version first to sell to more impatient buyers that would otherwise buy the cheaper version but they are doing the cheap version first. Also on sovol's livestream they talked about a smaller and larger version of the sv08 in the works. A smaller sv08 at a cheaper price might be insanely competitive

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Oooh, that would be nice. A giant cheap SV-08, yes please. I would prefer if they threw in IDEX as well.

[@brunobellomunhoz]

​@@NathanBuildsRobots We're definitely lacking in the index side still

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Theres basically just the Ratrig Vcore 4 available right now.

[@johnfiott]

Disappointed by the fact that you did not lay down any context, as in you didn't even explain what the S tier means or for that matter what any of the other tiers represent, as in is a tier "C" still good value for money or a "walk-away from" tier? What were the specific criteria that you took into consideration and did you give these any weighting, as in for instance "good customer care" carried X weight and "value for money" carried Y weight, and so on? A matrix to this effect would have been nice, but I suppose also probably unrealistic to expect, given that as you said, you were sponsored by many of the manufacturers there..

[@1943vermork]

Why I suddenly want to drink beer?

[@ZombieHedgehogMakes]

I like Bamboo, it's the optimal choice for a desk surface. I don't know what all the hate is for

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I’m more of a birch fan myself

[@TNX255]

Bamboo fiber makes for good cloth, which again makes for good, soft and non-scratchy and itchy underwear.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

I like the K1c. Kinda like the Bambu P1S or X1 but less expensive.

[@AlexDenton0451]

Anycubic is definitely a C tier company. I've used a couple of their products, they're just kinda worse Elegoo machines. Both for FDM and Resin.

[@stickercambodia]

You don't need to disclosed about bias, most of audiences here know alr. As much I love Bambulab machines of how they look good and print good, I can't make myself to own one due to their closeness, privacy issue and even so called region locked which not allow to update without connecting to their server.

[@gerGoPrint3D]

"Forgetting" Bambu on the D tier 🤣

[@DANIELGENG-v5o]

Getting the X-1 Carbon for Black Friday

[@jeremybodell3619]

You hit the nail on the head with flsun the “marketing is out of control”!

[@infectioushost1]

Companies can do whatever they want with what they sell or how they promote it You have the option of : 1 not buying it . 2. Make a video and trash talk the product while posting affiliate links of said product🧂 .

[@MartinWolker]

Perfect tier list, but 2024 is not over yet!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Hmmmm 💛?

[@MartinWolker]

@NathanBuildsRobots Hmm? 🧡🔶️🔸️

[@ldomotorsjason3488]

Thanks man, for putting LDO on. ❤

[@Festivejelly]

This is basically based on who will sponsor him. Not a reliable source. Remember when he made the video freaking out about toxic carbon fibres XD. Yeah skip this guys videos.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I must be a bad shill because I rated my sponsors quite poorly.

[@skunkprints7952]

@@Festivejelly And how might you be advancing this field? Oh yeah you aren’t…

[@kiddbuu7753]

@@skunkprints7952why you meat riding another grown man? 💀 defending him on every comment

[@billy.the.maker.]

dont cry here

[@JamesTenniswood]

I love my 5m, great printer. Check out their new AMS m5x printer, looks interesting 🎉

[@anguismemes1666]

What is all that shitting on Bambulab ? Im very happy with mine it got a very good price at a very good quality. I dont get it

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Huh?

[@andreas.grundler]

What are you talking about? Watch the video or read the transcript. At no point does he say anything bad about Bambu Lab.

[@anguismemes1666]

@@andreas.grundler jeah he skipped it

[@andreas.grundler]

​@@anguismemes1666 So? He skipped many other printers as well. For example, should I be mad that he didn't mention the RatRig V-Core 4? I suspect he doesn't have an affiliate link for RatRig, so it made no sense for him to include this printer in the list.

[@andreas.grundler]

I am a little disappointed. No ‘Most orange printer’ category this time? 😉 Well, then an A rating will have to suffice.

[@jfmarzulli]

Pans FLSun's delta printers after glazing them a few months ago.

[@coledavidson5630]

13:06 elegoo doesn't sell Arduinos anymore? Wild

[@triXsolarflare]

Hahaha, remember on a previous video I said you are such a Bambu hate boy, and you commented you love Bambu, and I said "do you ever watch your own videos", you didn't even mentioned them in this video :) I see your comment below about "forgetting" to rank them now :) I had to scroll back through your video a couple times to see if I missed it. Keep in mind I am not a Bambu "Fanboy" I have some 15 printers, 2 of which are Bambu Printers P1P and A1 Mini, no issues, my fav printer at the moment is my SOVOL SV08, but it has been down for a month with a common issue that seems to be going on with them at the moment of losing communications with the MCU, new motherboard on the way.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

They have treated me very badly

[@WeJe-o4u]

@@NathanBuildsRobotswhat did they do to you? I’m not up to date.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

They deleted me off their affiliate program with zero communication after I brought in massive sales for them and gave them advice on how to improve their products. Their CEO then posted an email they sent me to twitter, directly calling me out to prove that I was a bad actor. The email was out of context, and attributed false motives to my actions to try to make me look bad. Now I just joke about them all the time. But it makes you wonder if people are actually free to voice concerns or raise negative feedback to Bambu Lab. They pay a lot through their affiliate program, so it wouldn't surprise me if people withheld negative comments about Bambu Lab products to avoid losing that revenue stream.

[@Phreakrider]

They should be happy bambu made the list tbh.

[@lgm8114]

About snapmaker, mingda, artillery, two trees, flying bear, kingroon, voxelab.. enough to make another video and include bambu lab 😂

[@MrUniq]

I'm pretty sure I'll get the K2 plus(mainly for the size and servos)..but I just know Creality always goes on sale at MicroCenter so it may be several months from now. I keep telling myself I'll eventually get a Flashforge but the main brands always end up diverting my eye with the latest features. The Kobra series..I liked my Kobra 2 until I hated it. I feel like AnyCubic are becoming the new old Creality....interesting hardware but lacking refinement and restrictive software.

[@blackpowderpanda5028]

Bro did qidi dirty. says parts may not be supported after two years. Qidi: *still supports the original Xmax from 2018*. let me know if anybody wants a seven year review on that thing

[@michawasiljew6620]

Not including bambu on a tier list you made bambu boys scream in a comments. Smart move.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I also got a fair amount of them them to unsubscribe 😭😭😭 Win-win

[@michawasiljew6620]

@NathanBuildsRobots not much loss there. I use to think Prusa is the best printer in everything but then I bought other printers and matured.

[@marcusnielsen9674]

You have some great quality content and I really like your reviews. Lately, you have been praising the K2 plus like no other I have seen and making this list with a deliberate joke on Bambu labs - when people should be able to view this list and compare the available options - just does not seem serious enough. I have no problems with the constant jokes on Bambu. People have been mindlessly praising them for years now - kind of like you are doing with the K2. But on a tier list which should allow people to make a good choice when they are buying their next - or even first - printer, that is just not taking the task seriously - and that is more annoying than it is fun. To me at least. I hope you get a little more serious.

[@99salabar]

A lot of youtubers seem to like flashforge. I've had a few and never been impressed.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Which models? I’ve never tried any except for the ADV 5. They are also behind the Voxelab Aquila, which is discontinued now, but it was basically a cheaper, higher quality Ender 3 clone with a few design improvements.

[@awildridehome9469]

I think it’s crazy to rate the Adventurer 5M so high when a Qidi Q1 costs 100$ bucks and can do 350C-120C-60C at a 245x245x240 volume.

[@Liberty4Ever]

12:00 - DAMMIT! I'm trying to decide what coreXY printer I want and FlashForge is a day from announcing a new 4 filament fed coreXY that feeds TPU! Enclosed with a 350 mm cube print volume and it's my dream printer.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I think it is smaller, probably 220x220 like the rest of the adv5 lineup

[@starguy9]

can you please start reviewing cnc machines

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Yes, I can do that right now. They all suck unless you want to pay $30k That saved a lot of time didn’t it?

[@Astrias57]

​@@NathanBuildsRobots yes even an HAAS minimill cost 37k

[@Mintor94]

0:55 you should make it a running joke and change the adjective each time

[@WillPower311]

I rate your Ratings F-Tier.

[@WillPower311]

It's sad to see someone dedicate so much time to something they dislike.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I didn’t spend any time on things I dislike though?

[@WillPower311]

You obviously put a lot of thought into your choices and decisions, hence you obviously put a lot of thought into thinking about them. It's just disappointing because you had such good content and now it's basically a vendetta. Do more about your builds.

[@WillPower311]

I would have respect and still be subscriber had you just said hey, I don't like them and will not engage with them. Truth is that you aren't the definitive source for 3d printing; your just a biased opinion.

[@Net7GiantMeteor2024]

Yeeeep, Sovol doing good on the open source front, creality is cratering

[@jekin22]

i very like your reviews thanks! but his time its like you did review on all the avalible smartphones and forgot IPHONE ;-) - personly i waited till the and ...

[@Wyrd916]

…what is the bambulabs lore? Just not willing to sponsor or affiliate?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Worse - they did affiliate, then kicked me out of the program for some reason, with basically 0 communication. I'm guessing they didn't like my style of review where I make fun of the products as part of a larger conversation of the pros and cons.

[@Wyrd916]

@@NathanBuildsRobotsah. That sucks. Hopefully they’ll either shape up on things like that, or get ousted further.

[@PrintingPress3D]

the sv08 is on sale on their official ebay store for sub 500!!!

[@ObiWanPL]

PrusaSlicer is based on Slic3r by Alessandro Ranellucci

[@WeJe-o4u]

Gonna order me a A1 soon. Since it’s D it must be good 👍

[@GhostRider5555555]

No more bedslingers.

[@WeJe-o4u]

@@GhostRider5555555 what difference does it make?

[@GhostRider5555555]

@@WeJe-o4u it's just funny, that most of bedslingers have higher max input shaping accel than factory made x1/p1 :)

[@ucuniversity2869]

its frustrating as hell when every 3d printing channel can't agree on anything. Everyone's videos on their top 3d printers list is the exact opposite. It's almost like everyone picks who their best sponsor i$.

[@andreas.grundler]

Usually they only choose what they have affiliate links for and the rest is personal experience and preference. Whereby the personal experience is mostly limited to a few test prints for the review video. Only rarely are there really long-term experiences because the printers gather dust somewhere after the video or they give them away. One of the transparency problems is that nobody knows how much content creators earn through affiliate programmes and how much the individual manufacturers pay.

[@zekesnack]

Just started watching, but I am expecting some really hot takes on Bambu machines haha

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

It's a fair assumption💩

[@logicalfundy]

Watch until the very end 😆

[@dragonlion3DPrints]

Having negative bias towards Bamboo seems to shine here- putting out an unbiased opinion should apart of your want to be looked at as a professional reviewer. Leaving out one of the fastest growing/searched printer manufactures is not classic oversight but a possible malicious objective. You are better than this for sure.

[@dragonlion3DPrints]

Contact Bamboo - arrange for a reconciliation and move forward. You are the only one who can lose the most by holding a chip on your shoulder - you can rise above slights in the business world ( as there will always be many) - finding solutions to “bad prints “ - is a huge part of the print environment. “You Can Do It “

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Sorry I forgot to rate them. I will post an update video with a proper ranking for bambu printers