Ultimate Alien X: A Devastating Concept

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@sugarysalt7541 Жыл бұрын

I've always thought that the Ultimatrix would put Alien X in its worst-case scenario for eons upon eons, just like with every other DNA; by the end of it, Alien X would just come out exactly the same as before, but Serena and Bellicus are just _slightly_ more agreeable.

@Plamkton Жыл бұрын

My thought was the same except making decisions became so Dire that they merged personalities and ultimate alien X is only one consciousness. As soon as Ben enters, the merged minds also merge with his and giving him borderline omniscient knowledge.

@davidarvingumazon5024 Жыл бұрын

Ohio Alien X seggs H scenes Alabama.

@RealityRogue Жыл бұрын

I agree with the first bit, but I think a million years of the worst case scenario for Alien X would change the personalities for the ‘worse’. They would likely become more anxious, aggressive, and feral as they now represent the natural ‘fight or flight’ responses. He might be more powerful against entities of his reality warping level, but how many beings will he actually be fighting that would give regular Alien X a run for his money? All in all, I could see it being a last ditch effort against a universe destroying cosmic diety

@zirotsero6951 Жыл бұрын

serena seems agreeable, it's just ben only talks to belecus. also in uaf, ben only needed to convince one of the personalities, hence it's a vote, but in omniverse, it was retconned so all 3 need to agree

@ismingo4264 Жыл бұрын

@@davidarvingumazon5024you need therapy

@matti.8465 Жыл бұрын

Personally, I can see this version of Ultimate Alien X being a risky last resort thing. Maybe there's a minute or two where Ben is able to mantain his individuality, so he needs to quickly do what he needs to do and turn back before losing himself. I can also see the Omnitrix erasing Ben's memories whenever he turns back, as his human mind would break trying to comprehend his former omniscience.

@solarice04 Жыл бұрын

One question regarding that: Would the Omnitrix even affect him anymore in that state? Granted, he could simply let it, but what if he didn't take that knowledge into account when transforming? Heck, would he even be wearing it anymore since he technically doesn't have a physical body anymore and is Omnipresent?

@Iam4la Жыл бұрын

It’ll be the end!

@ivanpopov2727 Жыл бұрын

@@solarice04if it has the power to turn him into that in the first place it must mean it's incredibly powerful so i would imagine yes

@matti.8465 Жыл бұрын

@@solarice04 I don't think the time out function would work, but for that brief time where Ben is in control he should be able to just turn back into a human.

@WolforNuva Жыл бұрын

I think it would be more that the Belatrix and Serena parts of Ultimate X's mind would be doing a lot of the heavy lifting, as Kuro says Ben is only a small part of the equation and their combined minds is what would allow Ben to remain sane in that transformation. So when he turns back Belatrix and Serena hold onto most of the omniscience.

@NAMELESSHOSTAGE Жыл бұрын

In Ultimate Alien X form, Ben Tennyson the character would instantly realise that his world is an animated series world created for the entertainment of real humans. He would become a self aware character.

@zackarymiller6279 10 ай бұрын

True because Alien X changed the fourth wall meaning he likely knows its a show or something along that

@CrazyCompilations.123 9 ай бұрын

But whats he gonna do about it then 💀

@NAMELESSHOSTAGE 9 ай бұрын

@@CrazyCompilations.123 nothing. Because there is nothing he can do about it. And then enter into philosophy. If you 100% for real knew your life is a dream, what would you do?

@AlastairCreed 9 ай бұрын

All universes have an "art style". No more or less real than any other. Smh

@Kibo-sama 6 ай бұрын

I imagine ben being like Deadpool

@Rembreiker_lychec9257 Жыл бұрын

I'm not gonna lie. Trying to convince the personalities wouldn't be that bad if Ben ever tried learning how to argue with them. He seems to just get annoyed with them and give up.

@levievil9220 Жыл бұрын

Only time he seemed like he understood how to debate against them was whenever we first met them even then it was a small amount

@Eric6761 Жыл бұрын

Bro, belicus and serena arent empathetic or care about others, they couldnt care less and Ben knows that trying to talk only ends up doing more harm than good

@marqusmedina5983 Жыл бұрын

Can you blame him? If he fails to convince them he can be stuck there for up to year going off what happened to albedo.

@Eric6761 Жыл бұрын

@@marqusmedina5983Ben has to basicaly kneel for them to do basic things like taking a decision

@marqusmedina5983 Жыл бұрын

@@Eric6761 facts.

@tennoyamamoto1800 Жыл бұрын

He looks exactly the same but instead of 2 consciences debating there's an entire court house inside their head because just Belicus and Serena debating over "yes" or "no" for every situation is too limited

@kindlingking Жыл бұрын

Dile it to eleven. Ultimate Alien X is a collective consciousness of all celestial sapiens across existence. You would think introducing even more personalities into the mix would only hinder Alien X, however instead of arguing when they come into conflict they just split existence into two: one, where decision did pass and one, where it didn't. Ultimate Alien X isn't just a universe, but rather an entire infinitely expanding at infinite speed omniverse. And he's aware of everything happening all the time. But every time Ben transforms back his memory gets wiped so his psyche wouldn't be damaged, so he has no idea what Ultimate Alien X actually does beside the fact that he's incredibly strong.

@mightypancake2211 Жыл бұрын

@@kindlingking That is likely the best explanation wither or not UAX would have a different look or not... So there would be 2 verses... one where UAX deletes the offender from existance, and another where UAX just returns to being Ben and whatever happens... happens.

@optimuprime500 Жыл бұрын

@@kindlingking "But every time Ben transforms back his memory gets wiped so his psyche wouldn't be damaged." A lot like how when he turns back from Graymatter or Brainstorm all the things that made him smart just sort of poof away and he doesn't understand a single thing he said five seconds ago.

@georgebrankov2143 Жыл бұрын

@@optimuprime500 In that have very logic. So that can exist ultimate form.

@georgebrankov2143 Жыл бұрын

@@kindlingking You just explained how Ultimate Alien X could exist and even what his new powers and new weakness would be if he had one.

@youngdiversity9860 Жыл бұрын

I want someone to make a fan story of this. This would be so fascinating if done right. Especially the part about him ever wanting to change back. He’d essentially would be a new being all together. Fascinating.

@thuylieu7188 Жыл бұрын

yes@@carinadominguez22

@celeb-seventeen Жыл бұрын

@@carinadominguez22mofos on their way to comment "No." And leave without elaboration. Chads

@Kikssune2 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking maybe like a short series with a super major villain that Ben himself reequips the ultimatrix just to access Ultimate Alien-X.

@AmitCinematicUniverse Жыл бұрын

There is a story that did that. It is called "Infinity", and while I would not spoil it, I can tell you that the idea is great. The premise is that Ben decided not to give up on Alien X.

@nordicstorm9666 Жыл бұрын

How about this, imagine Ben has allready done this once, but instead of turning back he made a clone of himself to take his place and that’s the Ben we have been watching ever since

@skywatcher1082 Жыл бұрын

To keep the theme of “Debate” in *Alien X* , I’d be funny that to access *Ultimate Alien X* , Ben would need to debate Celestialsapiens to allow him go Ultimate. Since the species didn’t like Ben re-creating the universe, I imagine they wouldn’t like Ben getting more powerful than them in a way that Ben could basically rule over their decisions. 💚 Maybe a multidimensional threat would make the Celestialsapiens agree to let Ben go Ultimate just this once.

@bocobipbrookiebradgaming7838 Жыл бұрын

What potential threat would even warrant an Ult. Alien X? Like would it be a band of rouge Celestial Sapians? A full on invasion from being of a higher dimension?

@Grizabeebles Жыл бұрын

I like this idea. The prospect of having to debate Belicus and Serena for a million years would certainly keep *ME* from ever trying to go Ultimate with Alien X.

@BirdmanJo_ Жыл бұрын

I mean what about when vilgax used a multiverse bomb? Maybe if there was a higher dimensional being that was abusing its power and was stronger then alien x, but not ultimate alien x, and for some reason they trust Ben to use the form and defend existence.

@Grizabeebles Жыл бұрын

@@BirdmanJo_ -- When, exactly, would Ben need to punch out someone in the writer's room?

@Imthesoulofthes Жыл бұрын

After you go Ultimate, You can just turn back Time.

@skylerfisher4347 Жыл бұрын

I love this idea for an ultimate alien X. It makes complete sense for Alien X’s ultimate to have the worst drawback of any ultimate, since regular Alien X had the worst Drawback of any regular alien in Ben’s lineup. It’s taking the idea of the normal drawback of Alien X (Ben getting trapped inside because he cannot convinced Bellicus and Serena to let him out) and amping it up to make it infinitely worse (Circumventing the original drawback, but making you lose yourself entirely in the transformation). It’s the only real way to ‘improve’ Alien X since he practically has no limit beyond B&S being involved to sort of limit Ben’s abilities. I could imagine a moral dilemma for the whole Ben 10 universe, or even a whole story arc based on this. Ben is pit against a higher being bent on destroying the universe, one capable of godlike feats we can hardly comprehend beyond that they’re bad and destructive. Nothing ben or anyone else has thrown at this thing can do anything to harm it or stop it, leading to ben theorizing about ultimate X being capable of standing a chance. Obviously azmuth would probably get involved after that, basically giving ben a classic azmuth warning that while Ultimate X could fight this thing, it’s not worth the toll it would cost him. Then there’d probably be a bit of time of ben questioning whether it’s worth it or not, whether losing himself and basically becoming a god is worth saving the universe, and ultimately ending with Ben wanting permission from each of his friends before doing it, and finally leading up to the transformation and the end where the being is fought by ben in this state and erased, but ben is not ben anymore, and does not seem interested in coming back from his higher state of being. This version of Ben made the ultimate sacrifice to save the universe, making him a legendary hero until the death of the universe.

@MMA-SirOwlbie Жыл бұрын

Seems like an interesting idea for Omniverse when they played around with more of the alt-Bens! :P

@liteburner550 Жыл бұрын

My God that is sad and I love it.

@darkstorm8552 Жыл бұрын

stronger needs to be strong enough to solo all verses.. great idea btw

@metalspinda9594 Жыл бұрын

"Raises his hand" But Teacher! For Mankind to know where they are going, wouldn't they need to keep in mind "where they have been"? THIS is it not the value of understanding one's history? Of course Ben has had MUCH experience with shortcomings. But What about "the flaw in a God"? WE don't need to get into religion here, but what about a God VS a Cult? And then Ben's resolution can be JUST that! A resolution! RESOLVING as a God NOT to get a God COMPLEX! Human's go back on New Year's resolutions EVERY year, but ULTIMATE ALIAN X wouldn't! ;) And in THAT regard he can be different from the proposed Villain he would have to fight in this Adventure. UNlike Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse, Ben WOULD have an answer for that cheeky woman who shrieked to Pat the question "Who's gonna protect me from YOU!!" But that's just me.

@modelomegatyler Жыл бұрын

my question is, why would ultimate X not just make a copy of ben from a few moments before he went ultimate or even alien x in the first place?

@mikelv1 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think a drawback that might arise is the fact that Ben’s presence within Alien X is different than other transformations. What if he gets stuck living those million years of combat and ends up developing a mindset like Paradox’s? Detached from humanity and too sane to revert back.

@michaelthatoker7125 9 ай бұрын

It would create a copy of him, so at bare minimum, there would be two personalities when ultimate alien x actually materializes even if all 3 personalities merge while surviving in the ultimatrix (which is likely what would happen.)

@gogetablue7905 Жыл бұрын

Is the omnitrix even capable of torturing Alien X for 1 million years? lol Edit: To add this further if I remembered correctly, Azmuth didn't even get DNA from the race via Omnitrix scan or something. Instead a Celestialsapien was willingly giving Azmuth the DNA. Is that implying Omnitrix tech limitations? After all Azmuth's race is below the race of Alien X. If this is true what are your thoughts?

@cherrunous7387 Жыл бұрын

Overwhelming it constantly perhaps

@MetalGreym0n_Rebaixado Жыл бұрын

Make a "war" between celestial sapiens perhaps?

@zaney2172 Жыл бұрын

The only thing I can think of is toon force

@danielneverloses Жыл бұрын

@@zaney2172Gear 10

@managementman9231 Жыл бұрын

@@danielneverloses ?

@redace4133 Жыл бұрын

I mean, I think an ultimate Alien X is possible. His power may be limitless but the fact that other celestialsapians exist prove that Alien X can be expanded on. Now hear me out, I know this is far fetched but since the Ultimatrix simulates the evolutionary process, what if near the end of time all celestialsapians merge into one for purposes of being a ‘caretaker of the universe’ or something like that. Instead of each celestialsapian having personalities like Belakist and Sarina, each celestialsapian, and their personalities, are personality inside this combined, ultimate celestialsapian. And throughout eons of debating, the many celestialsapians have reached clarity, thinking as one. Ben would have almost no control over his actions as he is a small speck in the near infinite personalities that make up ultimate alien X. He would retain a lot of the skills Kuro mentioned but here’s the interesting part. Imagine Ultimate Alien X as an inevitable state of the celestialsapian race. As only copy of a celestialsapien can exist at a time, by turning into Ultimate Alien X, all celestial sapiens in the current timeline would cease to exist so they can exist as a part of Ultimate Alien X for the duration of the transformation. To me, I think that’s the only way to really improve Alien X. Infinite power may be cool but anyone else with unlimited power can just undo anything you do. But by removing all other entities with that power so only one combined entity can alter the universe, you hold all the power. As for a physical appearance. A humanoid form could look like normal alien x but with a bluey purple colour scheme like the forge of creation? To show that he is no longer an entity in the forge of creation, he is the forge of creation. Let me know what you think.

@alirezaomrani7650 Жыл бұрын

DUDE!!! I HAD THIS EXACT SAME IDEA!!! Well not exactly the whole all celestialsapiens merging into one thing, But I always imagined an Ultimate Alien X as having the Forge of Creation inside of himself since the Forge of Creation is where other celestialsapiens are born and so an Evolved Celestialsapien would be a being with the essence of that inside of him. Just like how normal Alien X has the essence of the Universe shown inside of him. AHHHHHH!!!!! So Cool that someone else came up with that idea!! 😆😆 I’m so glad that I found someone who thought of that too! Kindred Spirits like you are rare nowadays. 💚

@albatrosshanging Жыл бұрын

Or maybe Ultimate Alien X can't do anything due to the near countless multiple personalities who need to agree for every decision down to every single million billion whatever.

@dibyaudhdas1978 Жыл бұрын

By that logic,how will you evolve a Chronosapian? Chronosapians are shown with the ability to travel through,pause or rewind time. How will you take them to a next step?

@Darkmater1_1 Жыл бұрын

@@dibyaudhdas1978 their next step would intertwine with ultimate alien X as they become the same thing

@Darkmater1_1 Жыл бұрын

think of it as two roads combining into one later on but it doesn't matter what road you pick it's the same one

@seilaomer8081 Жыл бұрын

Ultimate Alien x: i dont wanna be ben anymore Omnitrix: uhhhh yea about that... *runs out of energy*

@UnikittyCutebbbb 8 ай бұрын

alien x ultimate It's just an alien x that not have three minds inside, has just one mind in control of everything and with the power to create entire multiverses with the snap of a finger and destroy the entire race of Celestial Sapiens with the snap of a finger.

@seilaomer8081 8 ай бұрын

Normal Alien x already has that.

@seilaomer8081 8 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure that Ben's alien x is already stronger than a normal celestial sapien

@ZekeyX2004 7 ай бұрын

Master Control never runs out of energy!

@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097 5 ай бұрын

Alien X can keep force Ben to stay transformed IIRC

@allforone3427 Жыл бұрын

Now hear me out. What if Ultimate Alien X was just Alien X inverted. All of Space and Time becomes Alien X, and everyone becomes an entity similar to Bellicus and Serena. Anyone can pitch in their ideas for changes and vote for what should be decided. Like a Universal Election. Just imagine everyone together saying *10 QUADRILLIONTH MOTION CARRIED*

@ericwalsh2954 Жыл бұрын

I see your communism isn't working so let me raise super communism to make it work

@arnice2570 Жыл бұрын

That's hilarious and I love it.

@yep1486 Жыл бұрын

or it wouldn't change at all expect maybe merged personalities

@yoda5436 Жыл бұрын

i love that the idea of making alien x ultimate is making him democratic lmao

@michaeliv284 Жыл бұрын

So an ultimate hive mind?

@DamianQualshy Жыл бұрын

I usually imagined Ultimate Alien X to just become a 4th-wall breaker, but this.. This makes way more sense. Becoming one with time and reality itself.

@Pheryos Жыл бұрын

look he is already the highest tier in power scaling his cosmology is simply better few videos on why kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZuqY6uZfdqjnqM part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKO8dpmno5qHmqc alien x scale kzbin.infobTUUI13WnKo already negates the 4th wal

@giuliocoppola6774 Жыл бұрын

I agree but needs to be on a level that if the authors try to interact with him in the wrong way and when they try to literally annoy with the drawings he throws the pen on their face,or to the level that he can literally garb the script or the authors of the show and do a checklist with them

@AJ-xc4qe Жыл бұрын

Or like Deadpool or She-Hulk, he breaks the 4th wall and builds it again!

@indiana47 Жыл бұрын

That was also my first thought. The only step up from a character being all powerful is being able to affect the show/medium itself.

@DamianQualshy Жыл бұрын

@@indiana47 Celestiansapiens already do that though. I was thinking more like.. realize and use the information from BEYOND the medium.

@Nadiki Жыл бұрын

If Ben tried to create Ultimate Alien X, wouldn’t simulating the threat it underwent also end up creating it? Something dangerous enough to threaten Alien X would also probably be omnipotent, and as such it could escape the confines of the Ultimatrix

@michaeltaylor788 Жыл бұрын

The ultimatrix simulates civil war of the species of alien Ben chooses to evolve so alien x would evolve to fight his own species with there powers being more in line to fight and kill other night omnipotent being especially those of its kind.

@jackmcawesome7087 3 ай бұрын

Not to diss the ultimatrix, but I don't think it's powerful enough to simulate a truly all-powerful being- much less countless of them fighting over however many years of evolution. That would take an absolutely crazy amount of processing power.

@HuneeBruh Ай бұрын

I don’t think they’re actually physically simulated, at the end of the day it’s just a machine. It probably just simulates evolution by making very sophisticated AIs that are basically enemies in a video game. Very cool idea though

@Diegoaub Жыл бұрын

The point of the Ultimatrix is that the alien is getting forced into evolving by being subjected to millions of years of warfare until it becomes something that can survive the violence it is subjected to. The main drawback of Alien X is its indecisiveness. Ultimate Alien X would definitely overcome that drawback, maybe the other two faces would disappear, or maybe Ben would merge with them, or maybe they would learn to work together really well. It might just be that simple. A Celestialsapien with insane teamwork.

@Antasma1 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@barkbork7528 Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's the thing, Alien X can basically already handle that kind of situation easily for every reason except for its indeciseveness.

@integralcialbay4633 Жыл бұрын

Kind of like the Galactic Gladiator

@Eevee860 Жыл бұрын

The biggest issue, which the ultimatrix could fix, is that it basically can't die, it survives when the entire omniverse is deleted and can just put it back together, now give this thing the ability to die and those faces are gonna start working together real fast

@Diegoaub Жыл бұрын

@@Eevee860 That's pretty cool. Punt Alien X out of creative into survival mode.

@HelenaSan425 Жыл бұрын

An Ultimate Alien X would be so Ridiculously Broken and badass at the same time So it's possible in my opinion, i think he's basically darkseid siding Avatars to attack his enemies while the real one is basically everywhere he's Omnipresent and omniscient

@maridiancrest243 Жыл бұрын

He wouldnt because 1 million years is nothing for a Celeatial Sapient. The question should have been how to make Alien X stronger? The watch would be unable to make Alien X stronger with an Ultimate transformation. In fact combat training for 1 million years wouldnt even help Ben as much as Debate training for 1 million years lol

@Pheryos Жыл бұрын

@NAMELESSHOSTAGE Жыл бұрын

Ben Tennyson would instantly know that he is a cartoon character and the real driving forces behind his multiverse are the writer's, the animator's and the studio's ideas. Ben would also see what impact he has had over the real humans.

@MimiBURNETT-j4e 11 ай бұрын

He would become a 99999 d being seeing everything I mean everything controlling everything is everything.

@Prominexus Жыл бұрын

I feel like there's only two ways Ultimate Alien X would work. First, the way Kuro described it here. Second, he just becomes someone in an Alien X costume in the writers room.

@doofusboy7054 Жыл бұрын

Lmao yeah ultimate alien x just breaks the fourth wall completely

@azzyward7375 Жыл бұрын

He just slaps the writers and says no to the plot line. Then proceed to disappear

@vil.727 Жыл бұрын

Bro appears and continues to write the prime continuity💀

@doofusboy7054 Жыл бұрын

@@azzyward7375 the opening to the episode is that, then after the title crawl a completely different episode carries on like normal and it’s never addressed again. That would actually be so funny to watch 😂

@Deity_devil Жыл бұрын

Ultimate is a concept where u vision an alien in an apocalyptic world and they need to evolve to survive in it I don’t think alien x would need to evolve

@HelloHuman1 Жыл бұрын

Ultimate Alien X just seems like an unnecessary power-up. Multiplying infinity with infinity just feels redundant. Edit: For the record, I like the idea of Ultimate Alien X being like a trap. Like the Covenant in Raiders of the Lost Ark. It gives Ben all the power he wants, but it gives him so much that he loses his humanity and will to interfere. He knows everything and can do anything, but because of that, he does nothing. Once you can do anything, what is the point of doing anything?

@stormbringer717 Жыл бұрын

DC does it all the time 😂.

@TheTrueMalice Жыл бұрын

Well you can have lesser and greater infinities. 12456789... 13579 246810 All three are infinite but, the top one is greater than the other two.

@theamazingspooderman2697 Жыл бұрын

how can u confirm one is greater? 123456789 could also include 1357 just after 9

@TheTrueMalice Жыл бұрын

@@theamazingspooderman2697 okay so I kind of messed up how I displayed it. The top one is regular infinity. The middle one is all odd numbers into infinity. Lastly the bottom one is all even numbers going into infinity. So you end up with the top infinity being twice as big as the bottom two

@PedroShadow2011 Жыл бұрын

@@theamazingspooderman2697o add to Malice's way of displaying it, you can also take the interval between 1 and 2 and the interval between 1 and 3. Between 1 and 2 you have 1,1; 1,2; 1,7913; 1,9999999; infinitely Between 1 and 3 tho, you have all the infinite numbers between 1 and 2 AND the infinite numbers between 2 and 3. It's an objectively bigger infinity.

@digunder14 Жыл бұрын

that feat arguably shows that ben has a a hell of a lot of willpower 9:00 as willpower is defined as "control exerted to do something or restrain impulses" that restraint to do the right thing but not go too far and remove it all at once or take away free will, is one of his most important and i feel underrated character traits

@theworldsdumbestplansincor7403 Жыл бұрын

I think that ultimate Alien X would just be a writer on the show. The ability to change the shows script is greater than reality itself

@misterOrca4 Жыл бұрын

Heck maybe Ultimate Alien X could actually get us a Reboot of Omniverse in the Dwayne McDuffie Art style with good writing. 😂 May he RIP.

@paracame8162 Жыл бұрын

Ben turns into Ultimate Alien X, jumps out of the screen and just punches the nearest writer

@zyro7756 Жыл бұрын

If that were a thing I imagine somebody making a skit where he edits the death battle with green lantern lol

@kylebooface6359 Жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m thinking too! In an attempt to Evolve a Celestial Being: The Ultimatrix Makes Ben Ascend out of The Omniverse and into The Real Word. Turning him into an Executive Producer of his own universe, where he is now capable of deciding where The Show’s story should go. He could Greenlight more Seasons of Omniverse, Persuade some people to make another Sequel Series instead of Rebooting the Franchise, Fix Kevin’s Backstory and best of all: Prevent His Own Character Development from regressing back and forth all the time

@Ray-zp3lm Жыл бұрын

Alien x is the only alien in the omnitrix/ultimatrix that is more powerful than the device itself so unless all the personalities are in agreement, I think alien x will block the evolutionary transformation from happening

@josephrogers3666 Жыл бұрын

It’s all theory anyway

@SansINess53 Жыл бұрын

The idea of ben losing his moral because he becomes ultimate alien x is kinda awesome remember alien x is already op so giving a flaw like ben losing his moral and personality is kinda like a good flaw.

@michaelthatoker7125 9 ай бұрын

Should’ve been the ending of the show. Omniversal threat that will destroy everything and nothing can stop it. So Ben says his goodbyes to his friend and family as well as the audience and transforms into alien x, goes ultimate, and stops it (as it’s a threat to everything) and then is just one with the universe. An unseen god only interfering when things are at their very worst and existence is threatened for every being.

@SansINess53 9 ай бұрын

@@michaelthatoker7125 idk but you forget the fact that alien x alone without shit can beat the last boss of omniverse (feedback did that)

@zenebean Жыл бұрын

I like how this kind of thing turns into a philosophical exercise. And I like how it fits with ideas of how to use power that Ben often deals with. Even if you had perfect understanding of the universe and time, how much could you change without causing things to spiral in potentially worse directions? It probably would be about nudging people in the right direction, else you violate free will

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Жыл бұрын

hearted

@thatcreatenoob Жыл бұрын

no, Ben just becomes Dr. Manhattan

@Brandon-9 Жыл бұрын

@@thatcreatenoobif I remember well Dr Manhattan doesn't have omniscience, just knows what will happen, what is happening and what has happened to him only, all at the same time like he is that time right now. ...that concept blew my mind the first time I heard it. ...but still witters sometimes put a limit to what he can see on his future, to nerf him and not end a comic on 1 page. XD

@UnikittyCutebbbb 8 ай бұрын

@imStorm3r 6 ай бұрын

@@UnikittyCutebbbb not just a finger snap a simple mere thought or something even faster beyond our comprehension

@TheDisquietingNight Жыл бұрын

I remember reading an "What If...? Ben 10" fanfic where one day, Ben decided to learn more about how to utilize Alien X, and as a compensation, he'll help as the decision maker on every Serena & Bellicus's debate. But overtime, Ben start to think like them, and when Ben decided to finish what's left of the debates (he has time because he has no relationship and at the time, Gwen, Kevin and Max had all passed away), he has full control over the form, but, like the video said, his human side is effectively died, and he just happen to be able to shapeshift to maintain the human form. Edit: first, Nice. Second, as another comment points out, the fic is "Infinity" By Ultimate10.

@unknownjace Жыл бұрын

Name and site please and thank you.

@linuxnoodle8682 Жыл бұрын

name?

@linuxnoodle8682 Жыл бұрын

think i found it? Infinity by Ultimate10 (youtube automatically deletes the comment if i link it)

@unknownjace Жыл бұрын

@@linuxnoodle8682 Thank you.

@johnsmith9578 Жыл бұрын

@@linuxnoodle8682I have just spent the last few hours reading it and omg that was the best fanfic I have ever read. It was beautiful and it honestly made me tear up

@GOOOOOOOOOOOOODDAY Жыл бұрын

Only 4 seconds into the video and my brother is shaking and foaming at the mouth with enjoyment already! He even fell on the ground and started flexing his muscles

@thunderbasilisk1352 Жыл бұрын

Im concerned on what would force Ben to even consider doing such a thing. Some sort of disaster or weapon that infects and destroys the Omniverse as it spreads maybe? I can see Ben talking to Azmuth who for the first time outright tells him what the consequences of this transformation will be. Anyway the fight happens and then after alls said and done we see a timeskip and see various scenes of Bens life before stopping. We see him lying in bed old, grey, and surrounded by loved ones. Hes a 110 years old and his time is up. There are many tears and goodbyes before finally hes left alone. After a while he cracks open an eye making sure the coast is clear before getting out of bed and stretching in ways no man with his advanced age should be able to without breaking something. He looks arounds with startling clear eyes and reminesces at all the pictures surrounding him before sighing and with a wave of his hand at the bed and a green glow a perfect flesh and blood copy of him rests with its eyes closed forms in his previous resting place. With that done he takes one last look around before vanishing in a flash of Green light. The view starts panning back faster and faster from the house before the Earth is seen, then the solar system, Milky Way Galaxy, the universe itself before slowing down and we see the first glimpse of the Ben Ten omniverse. Suddenly we hear Serena asking Ben if he enjoyed his vacation and Belacus grumbling that theres work to be done. We hear Ben laugh and start telling Serena all that happened and then the show starts fading to black but not before the image of the Omnitrix appears over the Omniverse and the scene ends in a flash of green.

@horanghaeapologist Жыл бұрын

holy fuck, this is similar to my theory lmao

@TheSpencermacdougall Жыл бұрын

This would have been a interesting way to end the main timeline.

@blackgriffinxx Жыл бұрын

Good one. This seem like how the main show should of ended. My thought would lead up up to the point he hit the Omnitrix to transforms. "nothing happens". Azmuth check it out and tries to figure out why it did not happen. The fighting starts. Some how ben pulls out a win to save the day. After the fighting is done and they sit down. Azmuth is racking his brain thinking of why it did not work. tinkering with Omnitrix. Ben's friends ask him why he never give up even when it seem so bleak and his life hangs by an atom. Ben say : I always feel like someone is pushing me to be the best me. Guiding me all my life. Azmuth turn the Omnitrix. An face appears on it. He grinds. It looks like alien x but it is not. Azmuth stop turns to Ben. and say :Look like "you" can't use it. It seem to beyond your mind abilities to handle. So the omnitrix blocked it for your own safety. maybe one day you can used it or maybe never.Who know with these things. Well that it for me see you later Ben.Thank you for save us all once again. Also Ben can you do me this one little thing. Stop slapping the Omnitrix. Ben start to ask question about how to work the Omnitrix. They zoom in on to the face of it to show the glimpse of Ultimate Alien X then zoom back out. To show when Ben first put on Omnitrix.

@darthash18 Жыл бұрын

Actually, I have a different idea. It’s inspired by a fan made predator alien for celetialsapiens. The predator (can’t remember the species name) is a species of celestial sapiens from an eraser timeline that manages to save themselves, but since their timeline collapsed around them, they do not exist. They are a void of nothing in a humanoid shape. It’s not a black hole. A black hole implies they still exist. They prey on celestial sapiens in order to absorb and nullify their creation ability to try and keep themselves from fading away and try to fill the void in themselves. What if ultimate alien x was like that? He’d lose the need to vote in things but would lose his omniscience in return for the ability to destroy things he touches. But since he embodies non existence it’s way worse than destroying. He completely erases you from reality. The entirety of the universe shifts around the fact you never existed, like a giant retcon

@hlive714 Жыл бұрын

*Quietly bookmarks the brilliant animatic idea to practice*

@Hadeks_Marow Жыл бұрын

My version is quite similar but also far off from this: I imagine the episode that introduces the character, he is with gwen and kevin practicing all his ultimates, testing them out and having his friends there to make sure things are ok. This is the last alien that he has to test and gwen talks ben into it due to the usefulness of if he can learn to control it and since nothing is happening at the moment, now would be the best time to practice controlling it. So then ben transforms and just vanishes. "Ben? BEN?!" We as the audience hear bens voice, slightly echoed "gwen, gwen im here." you can hear that he is both scared and confused but can tell due to the animation style that ben is seeing through the 3rd person camera perspective that we are seeeing out of. We know this because we see an outline of a hand reach out from the perspective of the camera. And then ben in what looks like his normal form shows up be hind her with his hand on her shoulder. They talk, saying that this one must be a dud. Bla bla bla, then alien attack on the news. Ben was able to tell them to turn on the news as if knowing they should do so (to hint to the audience of pre-cognition). They go to the scene only to find out that the omnitrix is missing. So gwen and kevin have to fight the threat without bens help. The rest of the episode is sorta gonna play out of them just investigating, going to old friends to ask for advice and help. All the while you get more and more hints of ben being way more scatterbrained than usual. This would be a 2 or 3 part episode titled Ultimate Alien X part 1 and part 2 (and maybe part 3). At the end of part 1 ben says, "I think I know what happened to the omnitrix". We then see Bens texture change to alien-xs cosmos pattern but still retaining bens silhouette. "I'm still using it!!!!" said in a way that shows slight alarm and worry. It turns out that ben has been in ultimate alien-xs form all this time. Which is formless unless he focuses on a specific instance and as a specific form. Which he did out of panic when he reached out to gwen. He went to his normal state as ben as that's how he saw himself to be. Part 2 explores the ramifications of this alien. One thing I find funny in this episode is a part where we see him swap between all the versions of him from the different shows (yes, even child ben, which was the shows original premise, ben transforming into different versions of himself) showing off a bit of his control where he does this while talking and being excited in the middle part of the episode. Needless to say, this is the events how we get to the Ultimate Ben 10k where he is always ben but retains the powers of all the aliens because it's just alien-x's powers. The rules of an ultimate form is new form with a buff and drawback. The buff is that there are no voices holding him back, it's "just" ben. The drawback is. . . there is actually 2 drawbacks to this one. First, ben becomes extremely scatter-brained and makes it hard to focus on the here and now. Its to the point where he has to tune out the rest of the universe just to retain a sense of presence. Similar in struggle to what Paradox first went through. The second drawback is if he doesn't retain a sense of presence and stretches himself out too far, it's a traumatic experience. We remember trauma the strongest, so when he looks out to the universe, all he can see is all the pain, all at once. If part 2 is about showing the fun of ultimate power, part 3 is of the drawbacks that come from it. By the end of part 3, ben is at his breaking point from seeing "all" of the universe all at once. Paradox helps ben realize that "we can't help everyone, not all at once. We're not gods ben. Part of what makes us human is helping those in our immediate proximity, one person at a time." As this happens, paradox shows heroes helping people across the universe, pointing out the good in the universe as well. You see the terror and trauma in bens expression melt a way into a smile of relief and a tear. "I think I understand" and transforms back into bed, actual ben. "Thanks for the help paradox.", "I believe I sense a 'but' coming" paradox chuckles. "But I don't think I'm mentally ready for this power, not yet anyways". "Take your time young Tennyson, after all, it took me eons just to get started. When you are ready, know that I'll be here to aid you through it." Which he does around bens 23rd birthday, where he learns the trick of Ultimate Ben-10k to just stay ben and be self-absorbed for the sake of sanity. This ben NEVER loses the ultimatrix.

@Amsel_616 Жыл бұрын

This is sick as fuck, make a fanfic out of it

@Hadeks_Marow Жыл бұрын

@@Amsel_616 Nah, this story is the timeline that we already saw in the show but never came to be as it was erased due to the timeline changing every time ben views it. If I were to do a fanfic, it would be similar to 5YL but it would be a bit of a retcon to the series. Omniverse show never happens (because that ending of rebooting the universe is just annoying from a writing perspective). In my true fanfic, it would take place before omniverse starts. The "true omnitrix" (not to be confused with the protoptype) retains the design from Alien Force but with some additional design elements from classic (equal amounts of black as well as green instead of just green with grey accent). The story itself is someone destroys primus. Ben loses ALL dna samples. Because of that, he is alienless. To get aliens, he has to use the omnitrix "capture" functionality to get samples from the aliens he comes across socially or in-batlle. So sorta like pokemon, except he is collecting dna samples. I like the idea of 10k referring to how many ben got on his own, and the rest being what asmus restored. I think such a concept is fun and wacky, yet also gives the series a goal you get to see the hero complete throughout the series. And because its a never ending goal, you never run out of writing material.

@nellewoodruff6337 Жыл бұрын

This is screwy in the best way possible

@Jehovahswitnesss Жыл бұрын

Nice

@silent0089 Жыл бұрын

is this Lucy reference?

@migs192 Жыл бұрын

Personally I'd turn him to a child alien x. They're known to not have the limitations of an adult alien x though they never appeared in the show aside from a newborn alien x. To temporarily allow Ben some freedom to use his power. What's interesting is that this form is actually more dangerous as a single wrong thought can erase reality. Ben would realize how a single word from him, a single desire immediately materializes. Literally no limits. He'd realize how the two personalities actually ensure that reality doesn't just get altered everytime they decided something on their own before deliberation.

@QuarterCentum Жыл бұрын

Interesting. I always thought Ultimate Alien X would just somehow smooth out the decision process, like maybe altering the flow of time so he can do things in short order. Really the only downside to X that the series later goes out of its way to avoid anyway. Also, would be a cosmic crab.

@darthash18 Жыл бұрын

@kannan07 11 ай бұрын

@@darthash18it's interesting But the only problem is that it's not possible at all,as celestialSaipans aren't bound by space time continuum,and aren't part of any timelines They exist outside space time and hence,a timeline erasure won't affect them at all

@darthash18 11 ай бұрын

@@kannan07 I didn’t come up with that particular idea. I just based my concept off of it

@tidedetergentyummy 9 ай бұрын

So you're saying OV Alien X is the Ultimate Alien X

@choekyiscuffedskeleton7471 Жыл бұрын

My concept of ult alien x is that the watch just removes his outer white lines and he spreads himself into his own pocket galaxy where he can create what ever he likes, but in omniverse we already see he does that And as ult forms have to sacrifice their one special ability so I say he loses he’s body of physical attacks, one extra thing alien x could do even though he already does, making new alien species he likes and then scan them

@charles-rl7op Жыл бұрын

Also, it will be impossible, because how can you evolve a god

@triforceofcourage100 Жыл бұрын

My idea was pretty basic just giving x his powers without having to debate it which I suppose could work but it’s not a very exciting idea.

@youtubestudiosucks978 Жыл бұрын

@@triforceofcourage100if they dont have multiple personalities as a kid but gain them as they grow older then wouldnt their ultimate form gain way more personalities?

@Wendeta-hq2cp Жыл бұрын

@@youtubestudiosucks978Depends. There is such a thing in evolution as the persistence of former physiological elements. If we assume that having one personality is the dominant gene in Celestial Sapiens, then having a recessive 1 personality gene be bred into existence as a result of being in a 1 million year hell would be something Celestial Sapiens would want in order to speed up their decision time (we've already seen an instance where Celestial Sapiens with shorter decision times are favored in combat instances - the Gladiator in Ben 10 vs the Universe).

@choekyiscuffedskeleton7471 Жыл бұрын

@@youtubestudiosucks978 but let’s say a third personality comes in and the third personality makes the agreement of the debate for you while your controlling alien x, GENIUS !

@EdgyRoseBoi Жыл бұрын

Dear Lord I never realized how much Alien X in Omniverse looks like “The Crimson Chin!”😳

@badpunking1883 Жыл бұрын

Personally I like the idea that on the outside Ultimate Alien X is exactly the same as regular Alien X, but interally there's a new power structure. Instead of 2 or 3 personalities having to agree on an action for X to take, each personality can go ahead with their decisions independently of the others. This gets rid of Alien X's indecisiveness, but adds a new element of chaos as a drawback.

@Eznet089 Жыл бұрын

I really like this one

@farofa2843 Жыл бұрын

I love this, makes a good gimmick to an Ultimate but also makes a new horror perspective, imagine a Twitch plays Pokemon but with Alien X instead, the drawback is that decisions are always changing, making Ultimate Alien X basically a roll the dice situation

@Crayon_Egbert Жыл бұрын

This is just the human instrumentality thing from evangelion except with the whole universe, and there is actually something tangible

@bearberserker Жыл бұрын

I always thought Ultimate Alien X would gain a form of enlightment where the two personalities meld into one giving him an improved cosmic awareness or even nigh-omniscience. Just my two cents.

@muhammadpasha313 Жыл бұрын

Exactly, what kuro is saying is going way beyond what the ultimate function was designed for,most probably ult alien x would just lose the multiple personalities and would have powers to access other dimensions not becoming a god

@Pheryos Жыл бұрын

@trgyfhgnt3 Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought as well

@Antasma1 Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@waterpicker Жыл бұрын

THis would make the most sense. Ben and his alien x persona's legimately sorting their issues and be able to exist as a singular entity sounds like something that WOULD take millions of years. A godlike being's evolution doesn't has to be in power and physical nature. Could just be mental.

@ILoveLuhaidan Жыл бұрын

4:13 the correct philosophical definition of omniscience is “knowing all true propositions” :)

@DEATH-gg8sr Жыл бұрын

can we just appriate how "Alien X" is just the perfect name for a being as strong as this and how it just sounds So dope

@Democracylover710 8 ай бұрын

Plus it’s the Roman numeral for 10

@putriaulia2553 6 ай бұрын

@@Democracylover710he sounds like the one character in a series that was introduced as this super op character (which he is)

@saucymongoose7246 Жыл бұрын

Honestly the thought of a Ultimate Alien X never real crossed my mind. I always figured if Ben were to try and turn into Ultimate Alien X nothing would happen. Nonetheless interesting video on a potential Alien X and the complexity that could come with it.

@Queen_Frosty Жыл бұрын

My theory is way more chaotic and utterly destructive. If Alien X evolves (or in this case devolves since Celestialsapiens are not meant to evolve even further), Bellicus and Serena would manifest into the real world having their own separate physical bodies to wreak havoc in the Universe. Considering the two personalities arguing with each other all the time, the two entities (the voice of rage and the voice of compasion) would clash into each other, and without the voice of reason (that is Ben) would cause an eternal Universal War.

@YuuTheShikigami Жыл бұрын

I remember hearing that "ultimate form is the form the alien evolves under idk how many years of fighting and improving", and knowing how Alien X is powerful, I'd imagine it would need to be a pretty monstruous being capable of easily destroying universes to make X evolve and improve, so being an omnisciente inwards focused universal god is a good conclusion to draw from the evolution, but I'd probably add something more.

@ricardator1023 Жыл бұрын

I dont know much about celestialsapiens lore but likely the reason ultimate alien x doesnt exist is cause it would take a HUGE amount of years to evolve it, its not like a 1,000,000 years it would probably need 1,000,000,000 x 10^10 years to evolve it or something like dat

@riolu477 Жыл бұрын

@@ricardator1023 i personally believe it doesn't exist because there isn't really a need for it, if one truly needed true omniscience then the Omnitrix could make an ultimate alien X and it would be instant since alien X can affect time

@LuisGustavoSO Жыл бұрын

I just imagine the Omnitrix simply wouldn't be able to create an ultimate Alien X. I don't think time affects him at all, so evolution already doesn't make sense; the fact thaf he's omnipotent already implies he can do whatever the ultimate could if he wanted to; plus the power of the ultimatrix is limited, so it can't upgrade a god. It was a fun video idea, but thinking about it seriously makes less and less sense each time.

@natchu96 Жыл бұрын

Well you can always simulate war between other celestialsapiens, in which case I would expect gradual natural selection towards having only one personality or otherwise drastically reduce debate time.

@Puerco-Potter Жыл бұрын

@@natchu96 but the simulation will need trillion times more power because it will have to solve all those debates first... Also, in case of war, the Celestial Sapiens with quicker and deadlier personalities will have the edge. So in the end you will have the same celestial sapiens powers with psychopathic militaristic personalities.

@navoditsharma3352 Жыл бұрын

The weaknesses remind me of a scene from the show 'The Flash' where Barry Allen comes up with his own artificial speed force, and in doing so hightens his other abilities beyond what they used to be, but in doing so loses his essence of being the caring person he was.

@JTruong3rd Жыл бұрын

I think the most realistic idea of ultimate X is one single change, all the personalities unite or are much more in balance with each other.

@tomjames9681 Жыл бұрын

I’ve never seen the point of entertaining an ultimate alien-x because of all the points Kuro accurately outlined himself, but if it was purely for the cool factor, I think a Ben 10K Clockwork and Alien-X fusion would be on the level of Atomic-X. I know fusions tend to weaken the base aliens by diluting the DNA, but Alien-X sacrificing some of his cosmic power for a greater mastery of time, given to him by the Chronosapien DNA, would make for a cool concept. I do love how Ult Alien-X basically Dr Manhattans Ben’s personality. I think a cool niche scenario for Ben to use such a transformation, would be to gain multiversal/omniversal travel. Just so he could visit different timelines and see alternate Bens more easily.

@kurseneo Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate you bringing back and continuing the Ben ten universe. Your story is great and art work has a lot of life. I also respect you continuing on from the main continuity.

@gracekim1998 Жыл бұрын

oooo i REALLY need to catch up

@rianbowhuggywuggy251 Жыл бұрын

3 ways for an ultimate alien x accully works 1:the one in the video 2:control the whole ben 10 world and know that the world does not accul exist and change any situation from the past,present amd future 3:the creator of ben 10 himself

@DecoyZ Жыл бұрын

Honestly the idea that ultimate alien x exists but literally would be the last transformation Ben could ever do would be an amazing plot. A threat literally unstoppable that eventually forces an aged Ben to make the ultimate sacrifice To use the fleeting moment between Eternity and humanity to defeat the foe before losing all that he once was and staying as the universe for Eternity would be awesome. Maybe he was even the one who made the Omnitrix crash next to him. Creating an ever repeating loop to forever protect his family and friends

@gamersadventur5147 Жыл бұрын

It was actually him crashing 😂the omnitrix towards him and the foreshadowing was on a different level I can give you more info if you don't know about it from omnivers

@JayS-o7j Жыл бұрын

@@gamersadventur5147please provide info thanks.

@Neion8 11 ай бұрын

Also, a lot of the 'screwups' of his early transformations aren't just him slamming the watch too hard, but future/universe-Ben selecting transformations that he knows will work - but will also hone young-Ben's creativity so he can solve the problems that future-Ben encounters and become universe-Ben.

@n1tro72 10 ай бұрын

ultimate alien x wins but leaves the omniverse ripping apart which leads to ben causing another big bang that creates the no omnitrix ben's timeline

@miguelbianchi968 Жыл бұрын

I once saw an Ultimate Alien X fanart that was a combination of the faces of the personalities (including Ben) and the horns, so basically it would be something intangible and with a single personality.

@samphoenix1674 Жыл бұрын

at 7:30 in the video i have realized you have basicly described the cathuulien madness in H.P Lovecraft stories when a human witnesses a primordial god

@-libertyprimev1-902 Жыл бұрын

I always jump to the concept of "The Simulated Million Years of War would be used for conversing between Ben, Bellicus, and Serena, a Philosophical War." where at the end of it (when the transformation completes the simulation) what you get is still just Alien X but the 3 personalities are in perfect agreement allowing for all of Alien X's preexisting power to be used more efficiently without limiting of understandings or asking for assistance (like how Bellicus and Serena find the Knight Celestialsapien's movements shocking having no noticable delay between it's personalities decisions on actions). As for the look of the Ultimate I'd keep it simple maintaining the original design only changing the 3 Horns maybe making them glow green and stretch down connecting to or replacing it's eyes, implying it's expanded awareness and comprehension. There's also of course the comedic concept of the Ultimate Symbol appearing, but nothing changes and when Ben asks why nothing happened Bellicus and Serena just laugh stating a Million Years like a nanosecond for a Celestialsapien and even an multiple universes worth of time passed nothing would change because Celestialsapiens are already at the absolute top having no new evolution needed like a mortal creature would need.

@darthash18 Жыл бұрын

@-libertyprimev1-902 Жыл бұрын

@@darthash18 sounds like it was inspired by Darth Nihilus from Kotor2, but for Existence Consuming instead of Force Consuming. Also one problem, if "it" doesn't physically exist there's no way the omnitrix would be able to transform into it, then even if it could how would you transform back as you're now a void in reality where a body and omnitrix now never were present.

@darthash18 Жыл бұрын

@@-libertyprimev1-902 I mean he’s still in the shape of a humanoid creature, and the Omnitrix is still there. It’s mostly about the existential concept and the sacrifice of his omniscience in return for quick decision making

@ElecTrick11037 Жыл бұрын

Don’t know if this’ll be covered in the video, but there was a re-edited fight between Ben and Dagon Vilgax which used Ultimate Alien X and he literally just became space itself. Not the most realistic but it was funny Edit: Well uh… less than 3 minutes in and Kuro’s already talking about it lol I guess great minds think alike!

@silverfoil8854 Жыл бұрын

Yeh, it was made by Staw

@staw_ Жыл бұрын

@@silverfoil8854what a small world

@silverfoil8854 Жыл бұрын

@@staw_ yeh...

@Alovon Жыл бұрын

Honestly I say for a Celestialsapiens most probable evolution, assuming the Ultimate Simulation can produce a worst-case scenario (without extinction) for an Celestialsapien I feel the most likely genetic trait that would get weeded out via natural selection (As that is the purpose of the Ultimate Simulation, natural selection of the most desirable traits that would create the most battle-hardened and survivable version of that species, ergo the most powerful by proxy), would be the excess personalities. They only slow down Celestialsapiens in regard to decision-making and reactions, we saw how Ben was literally getting whaled on by the Galactic Gladiator due to Alien X being an actual statue before Ben managed to convince Serena and Bellicus to just give him the reigns. So, in a worst-case scenario, Celestialsapiens like Starbeard and The Galatic Gladiator, ones with personalities who might as well be one in regard to quick decision making, would get naturally selected, ergo over time, evolution would select out the trait of Celestialsapiens with more than one personality. Now, the interesting question here is, if this singular personality would be that of the Omnitrix user + that of a Celestialsapien conciousness, would the proetctive locks in the Omnitrix detect the major shift in personality as a danger to the DNA/stability of the host, and trigger a failsafe? I do feel that "Becoming the Universe itself" would be a bit extreme, as it's hard to evolutionarily parse that out, can't really reproduce/naturally select if an Ultimate Celestialsapien was a literal universe/bodyless consciousness. And in regards to the idea of all the Celestalsapiens merging, well again, can't really select against that, as again, in a worst-case scenario, it'd be Celestialsapiens fighting celestialsapiens in the simulation, ergo selecting against singular-personality celestialsapiens.

@nharviala Жыл бұрын

If your idea did exist, Ben would likely end up doing nothing but observe. Each individual would lose their identity to him, and if he could see everything that was to happen and ever did, he'd already know where he interfered, and would do so. A sort of Dr. Manhattan situation, he does what he does because he's already seen himself doing it, he'd lose his sense of free will, likely instead viewing everything as a fixed fate and he's simply watching the live events play out. I feel, at that point, the only thing that would catch his notice is when something is acting out of accordance to the set fate, like if Vilgax opened a soup kitchen.

@AlienSteel5253 Жыл бұрын

6:40 That would be the biggest weakness as an Ultimate Alien X. You would have to have an equal amount of Will to keep at least a molecule of humanity in that perspective.

@lukaszrower7612 Жыл бұрын

We have a bit of an answer to the question: Cosmically superior beings. Episode: Busy Box. At the very end of the episode, a creature that travels between dimensions appeared. And she replied: 26 dimensions are the most important. So Alien-x still has a lot, a lot to do on this topic.

@HSuper_Lee Жыл бұрын

My idea for Ultimate Alien X was just that the body develops multiple faces and arms so that each personality is capable of doing things semi-independently. The result would be something like Janus from Greek myth or the Living Tribunal from Marvel Comics. The idea being that if you simulated a celestial sapien through an eon of combat (which would have to be a war of celestial sapiens, as nothing else could challenge them), the most successful celestial sapien is the one capable of taking the most actions.

@enderborn6860 Жыл бұрын

he becomes an asura 6 arms and 3 faces woof thats powerfull

@metazoxan2 Жыл бұрын

I had a similar idea but instead of multiple faces and limbs I thought of a hive mind that unified the wills of the personalities into a singular one with no lag time. THe personalies are still seperate and can still percieve things around them seperately but they think and act as one without hesitation. As a result they have absolute awareness around them at all times as they possess multiple thoughts at once but can still act without delay with a unified will.

@Antasma1 Жыл бұрын

I pictured he look something like that

@DiamondBatToons Жыл бұрын

I've had the idea of Ultimate Alien X swimming around in my mind for so long! I'm so glad you're finally talking about this topic

@mrmicrowaveable Жыл бұрын

I'm curious now what is your concept

@DiamondBatToons Жыл бұрын

@that_guy_with_autism8061 compared to what Kuro described. It's nothing too fancy or wild. All I had was a more prominent space texture, a bigger form, some extra details here and there & maybe some armor. Again, it's far from anything special. But I just wanted it to look badass.

@mrmicrowaveable Жыл бұрын

Cool

@robbie_the_mastermind2176 3 ай бұрын

I like the Idea that when Ben turns back to his human form he experiences ‘Tactical Psychokinetic Bridge’ from paul. In other words ben vomits in shock or passes out due to overwhelming information, the amount of knowledge caused Ben’s brain to overload. He has all of the knowledge of the universe but is left as a vegetable.

@anthonyvillanueva5226 Жыл бұрын

This made me realize I would've resonated a lot more with the finale of Ultimate Alien had it actually revolved around Ben's moral quandary of accessing Ultimate Alien X

@MrWescottX 4 ай бұрын

Ikr

@darkstrideisi3346 Жыл бұрын

I’d imagine Ben tries to use this alien and then disappears for 10 minutes before coming back. In that time he did unseen things beyond human comprehension, but got caught up in it and forgot to solve the initial problem he used the alien for, making the transformation seemingly useless

@davekisman2763 Ай бұрын

Ultimate Alien X, with no physical body, would be terrifying. It's like you became the universe itself.

@Lumpyrox1412 Жыл бұрын

I think this version of Ultimate Alien X would make for an awesome premise for a movie. Where there is a situation that escalates into Ben having no other option other than to become Ultimate Alien X and then the script flips and his overwhelming power and dissolving of Ben's consciousness means that HE becomes the villain and Gwen etc have to find a way to free him and turn him back to normal.

@zayzillions7319 Жыл бұрын

He’s already Outerversal at base off of verse scaling alone(the verse is far beyond hyper) 1:the verse is type 4 as shown that it already meats the requirements for type1-3 2:they must show that they exist as math as shown in three occasions,the first being shown in classic Ben10 when they got stuck in sumo slammers, Paradox mentioning albedo from the game in the aggregor arc,and the last was the entirety of destroy all aliens 3:Scaling the universe itself. in the comic Paradox explained that time isn’t limited to 1 universe with that we can surmise that the feat where he recreates the universe was actually a multiversal feat,2 Ben accompanied by Rook visited beings from an incalculable dimension that transcends space time which also proves that the universe is transfinite as the number of dimensions exceeds all natural numbers making the universe Outerversal. If you’re still not convinced on the verse being type4 the Ascalon sword warps reality with usage of science(science incorporates math)there is more I just paraphrased the important parts feel free to argue but don’t be toxic

@Goat10Solos Жыл бұрын

@068himangshukakati6 Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with you. The fact that after being hyper evolved, alien x will just be their and let everything happen as with their flow. Because interfering with the reality for a small purpose like saving a friend can be lethal to a galaxy or such as shown in the episode where Gwen travels back in time and try to stop the experiment. May be that's what professor paradox means when he said," there are some places where I can't go, and some things that I can't do". May be with the knowledge of everything and the power to change everything that exists, it is better to keep everything as it is.

@Samfry523 Жыл бұрын

I think Ultimate Alien X (if it could exist) would basically be deemed way too dangerous to exist. And I see the form getting more personalities to compensate for the power increase. Again, “if”. I don’t think a Celestialsapien would get very much (if any) of a change with an Ultimate form evolution cause they’re basically already at an evolutionary peak.

@darthash18 Жыл бұрын

@demonofsixpaths2078 Жыл бұрын

I’m actually really surprised, I came up with a very similar concept awhile back. My idea was essentially, Ben goes ultimate and becomes existence, visualised by Alien X’s eyes peering down at whoever he’s fighting, even down to the idea of the 3 personalities merging (that being inspired by the fact that Alien X cannot die if he agrees not to die; even going as far to remove weaknesses) meaning that Ult Alien X wouldn’t need to deliberate. However I never considered the draw backs of such a thing, so bravo Kuro. I still would have liked to see art of your concept for what an avatar of Ultimate Alien X would have looked like, however I think the idea of leaving it up in the air is far more interesting

@fka_sophrosyne Жыл бұрын

I can imaging Ben being persistent throughout time as well and is able to make changes in the past and future as well

@triforceofcourage100 Жыл бұрын

If this version of Ult. Alien X were to come about I think that he would actually separate Ben and his original consciousness from him. It’d be kinda like ghostfreak and then destroy itself possibly in order to destroy whatever threat was trying to destroy the omniverse. Ben would remember absolutely nothing from his time as the ultimate except to never do it again.

@georgebrankov2143 Жыл бұрын

Then even that won't rememver too.

@JAYDOG1337A Жыл бұрын

I figure Alien X would be split into 3 beings, instead of 3 in one body, they would each have their own body, and could act independently without having to make decisions, but still could stop the others if they did something against the collective.

@isacfelix1278 5 ай бұрын

I think it would end up being a lot like a hive mind at some point. He's outside of time outside of space outside of everything, so every time that happens it's just adding another ben to the ben that's already there. It'd be a lot more like him setting up all these different dominoes to make sure that he ends up being the way he is either adding or continuing the power he has while keeping everything in balance

@curtisleblanc5897 Жыл бұрын

0:20 Thank you so much for using that Thanos meme, lol.

@bensonabernathy4664 Жыл бұрын

I have a feeling that the ideas mentioned in this video, have the potential to make such a thought provoking, mind-boggling, emotional, and amazing episode (or even mini arc) for Ben 10. Like imagine that Ben has to resort to going ultimate Alien X, and saves the day, but then he stays trapped in that form, not because he isn't able to come out, but because he doesn't want to come out. Sort of like the themes that the very last episode of ultimate alien were trying to approach when Ben had the sword of Azmuth and Dagon's power. Those themes could be covered and fully emebellished on in an episode or mini-arc, and even more themes, of what it means to be human and so on. I don't know this is just somethign to think about.

@jimmyandrews3963 Жыл бұрын

As someone that loved Ben 10 growing up, it’s awesome to see a channel like this get so many views

@NinjaXFiles Жыл бұрын

You never disappoint when it comes to new Ben10 videos, it's so cool to listen to these topics. Makes you wonder what more they could have implemented to the series if we were still getting episodes from the old cartoons

@EndingAbyss165 Жыл бұрын

I love the fact that one of the fan suggested designs is just the Crimson Chin with 6 arms! That's hilarious!

@mahesh_saratkar Жыл бұрын

Alien X's ultimate form would be straight up as a writer in our reality.

@gechoman44iwantahippo Жыл бұрын

I think you pretty much nailed this. I always imagined Ultimate Alien X being a sentient universe. I always kinda thought he’d just be represented visually by a massive Alien X-shaped that is surrounded by planet-shaped entities (think of it like how DC visualizes the multiverse, but one of them is just shaped like Alien X). I just have one thing to say: I don’t think Ben would make decisions like wiping out evil because Ben’s personality is suppressed. The reason why is because of the Ben 10 universe’s relation between intelligence and good/evil. In the Ben 10 continuity, it is possible to be too smart to be evil, because being evil is inherently illogical. This is seen when Albedo absorbs Azmuth’s brain, combining his intelligence with his own. Albedo states that he now has a greater understanding and renounces his evil ways because he now sees evil as illogical. Therefore, if Ben were omniscient, then he would never do anything that is morally wrong. In fact, if he were placed in a situation where, say, he had to save one planet by destroying another, then he would use his reality bending to somehow alter the universe in a way where both planets can survive and be happy. He would still understand that removing free will is wrong, but would be able to alter the universe in ways that benefit everyone, simply because, in this continuity, Ben would be too smart to be bad.

@JulianLopez-rt6kp Жыл бұрын

What an interesting, philosophical reflection. I wouldn't even have tried to give Alien X an Ultimate form. You do propose some concepts that I find intriguing, and terrifying

@mercernova5347 Жыл бұрын

Ultimate Alien X is the biggest reason we need another show like “What If” but for Ben 10.

@VaultN95 Жыл бұрын

I've imagined Ultimate Alien X to wear a mask that is similar to the ones that represent his other minds. But it's neither Bellicus nor Serena, but of Ben, showing that he is the one in complete control

@kaylaturnis9486 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy the Ultimate designs and redesigns of Ben's aliens. My favorites are Ultimate Ditto, Cannonbolt, Buzzshock, Upchuck ( version 2), Heatblast ( version 1), Goop, Ghostfreak, Artiguana, Grey Matter, and Upgrade.

@valtertilli5911 Жыл бұрын

Finally! A very good video on youtube! Imperssive

@Furoisu Жыл бұрын

I would love to see the scenario that forced a celestial sapien to evolve to this point.

@timzyt63 Жыл бұрын

Love your work, your channel brought me back to my childhood in ben 10

@Muzan_Kibutsuji_DMJ Жыл бұрын

Well since there is a "give" and "take" with every ultimate form, in this case, the "give" could be that all those personalities that make it hard to act finally unify making it easier to use that alien. The "take" could be a downsclaing of it's power.

@laureanolafaurie34 Жыл бұрын

My first thought when i read the title was that ultimate alien x would become aware it is part of a work of fiction, and would have the power to affect the real world, but would also decide not to. But with the idea that is mentioned in the video, i find it really interesting to think about how would ben feel about it after he transforms back to human, maybe the Omnitrix resets his memories of the stuff he does while being transform to protect his mental health, or makes him not completely omniscient, idk is interesting. Also in one of the drawings from the discord server someone drew ultimate alien x as Ben, i feel that's kinda beautiful, you can mix that with the idea of Ultimate alien x creating an avatar just to interact with other people, maybe that avatar is just ben but with the ultimatrix on his chest, also interesting idk, good fanfic material xd Lastly when i was a kid i remember drawing ideas for ultimates in my notebook during school, and my idea for alien x was simply that now instead of having to draw a circle to rewind time, he could shoot circles woth his arms, like, just pointing with his arms to the enemy and he would shoot tons of circles, very simple idea but i felt it was cool enough for an ultimate Damn too much text

@TheLastGame666 Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's possible, but if it is somehow, then i can imagine Ultimate Alien X to be able to either do whatever he wants without the need of the other 2 parties, or be able to increase his power and capabilities, as we know Alien X is Nigh-omnipotent or low 1-C, and is still a dimensional being (possibly 5 dimensional).

@Goat10Solos Жыл бұрын

Alien X isn't low 1-C,he scales above the quantum mechanics,string theory and bosonic string theory in the verse. Not to mention the verse has infinite spatial/temporal dimensions putting him at lowballed high hyperversal.

@Pheryos Жыл бұрын

@TheLastGame666 Жыл бұрын

@@Goat10Solos 1-C is Low complex multiversal level which is as high as the celestialsapiens go my guy, they're still bound by a few things in their own verse. they also have weaknesses such as absorption and are confirmed to be able to die, for example if alien X was to se foot in whampire's homeworld, they won't survive at all, they're still bound by multiple concepts that they can't go outside of. they're also not above the dimensional concept as they're either 4D or 5D, and aren't even the strongest beings in the ben 10 verse, where characters for example to be 1-B or 1-A are almost always outer-dimensional and outer-versal, giving them a much bigger scope they can affect and manipulate, even beyond their own verse. And let's not talk about boundless characters, because Alien X doesn't even come close.

@5up35 Жыл бұрын

Yes photosynthesis hypothesis and quantum relatives and such.

@Goat10Solos Жыл бұрын

@@5up35Is this a joke of some sort?

@Yugiohfans11 Жыл бұрын

The simple answer would be that Ultimate Alien-X would no longer have conflicting emotions. However, I believe that Ultimate Alien-X would have foresight into the future, present, and past. Therefore, Ultimate Alien-X would no longer need to debate as it could see how each choice would turn out.

@Rafael-qd3yq Жыл бұрын

That is something I myself have been wondering about. If he's already omnipotent, what would change in an ultimate form?

@ashuraomega7113 Жыл бұрын

Either giving him an ultimate form would drastically Nerf him or it would be impossible since he's already a god

@anoaboadosaro Жыл бұрын

He is now capable of wiping out the whole multi verse and every single dimension, a boundless tier character

@Ibaraki_DX Жыл бұрын

Just the scope would increase, like an character you made be able to reshape your world would start reshaping worlds from others, the biggest scope i think would be affecting every single type of media like other comics and cartoons (good luck making everyone agree with that) or the real universe (not possible and if it was we would be praying for you) So he would just be omnipotent on a greater level "Oh he is omnipotent on his universe, well now he is omnipotent on his multiverse/any universe that isnt his original"

@Clyde975 Жыл бұрын

He's not omnipotent. The most recent writer confirmed that. A celestial sapien has the ability to become omnipotent but ben himself cannot be which is the reason why alien X isnt omnipotent

@flarestorm9417 Жыл бұрын

The only guesses I have are the following: - Removing the multiple personas that debate what Alien x does. - Giving Alien X omnipresence (the ability to be everywhere at once, at all times). - Giving Alien X omniscience (the ability to know everything at all times). Omnipotence doesn't override omnipresence or omniscience due to it being a conscious decision that (in theory) may get immediately invalidated. If we use the 'universe expanding' theory, the moment Alien X places himself everywhere he is no longer everywhere, because the universe is constantly growing. And similarly, if we look at omniscience, the moment Alien X knows everything he will no longer no everything, because new information will be created (e.g., the floating brains in Futurama wanted to wipe out everything so that they can know everything, as the existence of other beings meant that new information was always being created on something). This does cause the god paradox of "can God make a boulder that He cannot lift?" though, so I don't know how contradictions are handled in-universe.

@theinnerhollow3006 Жыл бұрын

While an interesting idea, I'm personally unsure of how it would actually play out in the series. Funny enough though I did something similar in certain areas of your concept for an oc Omnitrix/Ultimatrix user in my own fanfic AU. In a moment when he is nearly defeated by a superior threat and lose the universe, he temporarily turns into Alien X and fuses himself with the other two personalities, transcending the limitations of a typical Celestialsapien. After the fight, he relents the power and takes the punishment willing from the other as they see this fusion as a violation of their nature and therefore an abomination. At the cost of this fusion, he loses a part of himself and never again feels whole. Genetically this appears as a 3% non-human genome and he can at times access higher level abilities through this DNA. However, in times of near death, his form starts changing to that of his fused state with his body frame but seemingly his mind isn't the one in control, but the part of him lost within that battle's moment seems to take his place. Was a fun little concept I had while I was rethinking of how I wanted the Aggragor and Charmcaster's reanimation machine arcs to play out in my AU. Your concept is an interesting one though and is a pretty good take on a possible development of such an infinite being

@toptierwarrior1152 Жыл бұрын

I think it would be kinda like the end of the anime to your eternity with the main character fushi eventually turning into the world itself and no longer having the awareness of things that are going on.

@thepoisonprince Жыл бұрын

I think that the only improvement is that the Personalities choose what to do faster

@ashuraomega7113 Жыл бұрын

An ultimate alien x would probably have hundreds if not thousands of personalities

@thepoisonprince Жыл бұрын

@@ashuraomega7113 Nah. The Ultimate Function would make a virtual scenario where the personalities have to choose quickly what to do

@ashuraomega7113 Жыл бұрын

@@thepoisonprince who's to say they couldn't?

@thepoisonprince Жыл бұрын

@@ashuraomega7113 I mean that Ultimate Function is programmed to improve the Alien's fight skills. So giving other personalities would not be an improvement

@vicarameila1418 Жыл бұрын

Maybe the body of a celestial goes above so many layers of reality that they lose the need of a body and only need thought to even beat every celestial. I like that idea, actually. Seeing how Ben would remake everything.

@digunder14 Жыл бұрын

honestly i feel this concept would likely depend on how celestialsapiens and beings of the same power level would wage war on one another, since it is as you said specifically combat focused training

@sussy3778 Жыл бұрын

I believe the best way to make an Ultimate Alien-X isn't to buff him but Ben's mind instead, going Ultimate would give Ben celestial awareness similar to that of Bellicus and Serena and make him better suited to use Alien-X to his full potential, with him becoming similar to appearance wise to the later two.

@lordextinction8322 Жыл бұрын

My personal thoughts are how would the final fight between Ben and Dagon wouldve gone down if Alien X was the final Ultimate form create? Two powerful universal beings going head to head would've way better than Way Big going ultimate in my opinion.

@heheh1729 Жыл бұрын

Dagon is a universal feed

@jonlevidalkvistagustsson6134 7 ай бұрын

I can already think of a story arc involving this transformation and the power and consequences of it!

@andreiiiksavvv6054 Жыл бұрын

It'd be hilarious if he looked exactly the same

@hairdeduction4337 Жыл бұрын

@rogeras5966 Жыл бұрын

I think that 1,000,000 years with the ultimatrix would not change anything because the celestial sapiens live for too many years, so if we wanted an actual alien X like that it should be with more time or a diferent approach.

@RaynaShinomiya 7 ай бұрын

In short becoming Ultimate Alien X is just Alien X being Omnipresent

@Frost510DX 5 ай бұрын

That’s why I feel like this video failed.

@farofa2843 Жыл бұрын

I always thought of Ultimate Alien X as a writers meeting at CN, thinking of what to do for the end of the episode, then Ben's voice actor shows up as the voice of reason as a one off gag to never be done again lmao