Ultimate Citlali Forward Melt Guide (Ft Diluc) | Genshin Impact

[@cavernman4739]

Sorry about the Quality stuck at 720p with terrible Bitrate. Had to use my old Video editor since the one i usually use for Abyss that supports 1080p isn't good for including many text for Guide like this (or perhaps i just can't do it 😅) So, disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any Eyes Injuries involved after watching this Video lol

[@zadokutah2315]

Jokes on you I always watch on 480p at Best because my internet suck ball 😂

[@wolfybros25]

Nah, it's fine, the only one hurt my eyes is Citlali's burst animation, it's too manly, I literally can't take it Anw after watching your guide, I'm so confused now, whether I should pull for Mav's weapon or Citlali (already have WGS, kinda want Redhorn too). I also don't have Ganyu & Elegy, yet they're comin right away. While I just have around 140 pulls RN (been saving for several patches), & for now I'm also a broke player (no welkin & BP). I think Elegy is also a good investment & a "must have" gear since it has various users in Diluc team.. If you were me, what decision will you make? (please choose wisely lol)

[@cavernman4739]

​@@wolfybros25If both are on 50:50, I'll honestly just go all out with Citlali, and go Yolo on Weapon banner if I won the 50:50 since the current banner is Win win and skip Ganyu altogether. At the end of the Day, that DPS increase from new Weapon won't matter much if your roster is lacking. Citlali is more is far superior than Ganyu as support IMO especially in non Plunge, and is much more easier to work around compared to Ganyu. If your intention is to "Get most of your buck" with no other bias, then there's little to no reason to get Ganyu + Elegy over Citlali knowing Citlali alone can already match the mentioned 2 combined. Frankly Elegy although good is the kind of "I'll just grab it because I don't know what else to get" stuff It's good, but the cost doesn't jusfify how it actually perform. It's a flat 15k Increase per Hit or 100k-ish DMG per rotation in general, while sounds good isn'f too significant unless that 100k can help you reach a DPS Breakpoint (say to one rotate something or speedrun)

[@wolfybros25]

@@cavernman4739 Ahh, I understood now.. It's true that the first thing came up in my mind while considering to pull for Elegy was I just can't wait for the next upgrade for my Diluc so I'll just take it as a stepping stone (before anything else released in the future like weapons, cons, etc.), so I thought that I should have it while I get the chance. Already pulled Citlali, yes both were on 50/50, but not much luck remains for the weapon banner so far, since I got Skyward Pride instead (expected Citlali's or Primordial weapons). Primogems completely vaporized & it's on 30 pity now yet the Blazing Sun is not comin yet. But I still got Natlan map & quests to farm so yeah, I think I just have to (hard)-grind again. If I fail to get it within the remaining 19 days, then I'll just call it "GG NT thanks Hoyo I love you" lol

[@user-ot4ly9dp1c]

Finally, actual AoE cryo app without C6 Kaeya and circle impact

[@ronnieketchum1241]

Finally someone who knows how to play the game and form rotations and not copy what every CC also does and Undervalue Citlali. Saying stuff like She needs C2 to be good and stuff.

[@rasna2212]

Huh, reputable CCs who actually do calculations and stuff are saying that she's good at C0 since beta tho... With TGS even saying that she's likely going to be BiS teammate for Arlecchino.

[@КрутоТипТа]

@@rasna2212 Arlecchino is fatui. Do you know who else is fatui? That’s right! Capitano! CAPITANO MAINS ARISE

[@ixirion]

@@КрутоТипТа since I finished the MSQ Capitano sadly may end up not playable :/

[@GrahamRussellMarinay]

even at c0 it sky rocketed my diluc plunge from furina vv double shred vape 200k to citlali melt 280k

[@wander1097]

What is CC

[@markusbrendon]

Congrats my man, you deserve this patch, the weapon and the support is what a dedicated main like you deserve

[@winterspell6234]

As an aspiring Diluc main, thank you so much! I’ve been scratching my head earlier regarding the rotations for these team comps, then your video suddenly appeared on my feed. I’ll probably stick to the dragonstrike variation since it’s more fun (and ofc stylish) for me.

[@crowned2637]

You cant hide from me, the OST is from one of the Yu gi oh WC games, dont k ow if its from 2009/2010/2011, but im sure that is from one of them, great games uwu

[@cavernman4739]

Indeed it's from WC 2009 Stardust Acelerator! Looks like I forgot to mention the music Name, sorry about that.

[@kross4237]

GENUINELY didn't expect citlali can enable full combo without anemo infusion... 😮 i'm so excites to pull her tomorrow!

[@when-ali]

thanks a lot for the tutorial, it really help my Diluc's rotation. Now I know why in some cases where Sucrose is a better option than Kazuha.

[@sigmundspankr5505]

stuck between getting mavuika's sig or citlali i already got redhorn so the former might be a bit redundant... sick guide as always

[@cavernman4739]

You aren't missing much by not pulling the Wep tbh, especially since you already have Redhorn considering the increase is only 10% from it, even this assume you have the right stats. Otherwise Mavuika's Wep is pretty much simillar to Redhorn in term of DMG.

[@NLZ3]

can always count on you to make such a indepth guide. happy new years!!

[@sandyudh]

i really like the simpler double cryo setup

[@jafaroffmusic7876]

Today with 1 guarantee and 140 pulls I've got Citlali C0R1 and Mavuika C0R1, so my Classic Diluc Melt got huge upgrade I guess. I did some screenshot records on Dendro Natlan Boss and it was 1.93 mil damage with Instructor Elegy Diona C4. I guess Instructor or Scroll Citlali C0R1 will give even better numbers

[@vilmaines9117]

I got her C 2, just testing her i noticed my Diluc is doing so much demage. Good you already masterized the rotations.

[@phunguyencong4098]

Waiting for this all the time ❤

[@Rayogami]

Congrats man! u finally got a crit sword :D I can feel the power of ur next videos incoming lol Edit: 94K non-crit melt is crazy Imagine I puil the sword in 30 wishes (was 44 pity since Xilonen's) then I had 65 wishes for Citlali (55 pity), at 76 pity I got golden and it was Diluc xD I laughed and told him "haha can't be mad with u bb" and BOOM DOUBLE LEGENDARY CITLALI NEXT WISH I WAS SO HAPPY BEST START OF THE YEAR 😭 I wanna build Citlali for full support with ER EM EM and the EM weapon that gives ATK% to the team based on the owner's EM.

[@lenzachi6092]

thank you man u helped more brother

[@НикитаДаренский-х7ы]

I want artifacts with 52% attack power like Arlequino to be released in the future.

[@anon_monitor]

wait. the video may not be taking into account that diluc may be buffed due to imaginary theater this jan 2025. what if he is not?

[@cavernman4739]

Not sure how IT buff is relevant since this Video for the most part is a Citlali variant guide. Assume you are referring to the DMG comparison, then the IT buff is irrelevant since other variants also benefit, and I used the same weapon for the Screenshots.

[@anon_monitor]

​​​​​​@@cavernman4739 oh so looking at the upper screenshots, if i assume citlali is there instead of sucrose, it is an upgrade/sidegrade regardless of theater buff? i have seen people showcase high numbers with viewers missing context like food buffs and mech scara that may not be realistic. just being cautious about unforseen stuff that may skew how i see the numbers a bit sorry.

[@cavernman4739]

​​@@anon_monitorNo worries, I understand where you are coming from. A sidegrade regardless. Since either variant benefit, so what matter in the end is what the 4th slot bring to the table.

[@raydioactive_]

This is what I have been waiting for!! Question: Is Citlali a better partner for Diluc or is Furina better? If I'm going to use Citlali with Diluc, will it work with Xilonen in the team or is Sucrose better? TYIA

[@cavernman4739]

Both are equally as good. They fill the same role but different archetype. Think of owning Citlali as owning 2nd Furina. Sucrose is better for any reaction based Team, more so because Citlali can already hold Cinder city (which like half ko Xilonen selling point) and Shred Pyro resistance Herself.

[@raydioactive_]

@@cavernman4739 Thank you so much! I've been holding off pulling for Citlali because I wasn't sure yet until now.

[@indomieartist923]

Nice guide but isn't TTods for citlali is better than ttods sucrose? since you can give sucrose the sacrificial so she will gain more EM and its useful for sucroses buff

[@cavernman4739]

Uptime, Shield, & personal DPS. Using TtoDS would need you to compromise Her Shield & DPS for uptime by going ER. Citlali can still do decent amount of DPS given proper investment. especially if you Melt Her Q so it's a team DPS loss. Basically by running TtoDS Citlali, you are compromising huge chunk of potential Team DPS in favor for extra 11 EM from giving Sucrose Sacrificial.

[@nain_a]

I should try melt dragonstrike Diluc with Citlali😮, but it's a bit difficult about her cryo aura😅. Because, I usually use the rotation : Bennet burst - Diona burst and skill - Rosaria burst and skill - Diluc Burst - skill - plunge - skill - plunge - skill plunge - fill burst *in Diluc rotation I did fast😅 so, my Diluc din't always do melt. I dont know if I use Citlali to replace Rosaria, I expect my Diluc always do melt plunge. Yes, if I still fail, should I learn more about timing dragonstrike😂

[@alasynt1882]

Great guide! How important is C6 Bennett? I don’t have him C6 yet so how would Diluc’s combo change? Thanks!

[@cavernman4739]

In Boss Chamber or if Your Diluc is strong enough to Nuke, it's not as important. The only difference would be Diluc needing to Q early to maximize His DPS, which won't matter in Bosses because they can't get knocked by Diluc and instead is a DPS increase more so if your Diluc is C4. But in AoE, if your Diluc Nuke isn't strong enough, the Q will knock the Enemies further from Bennett's Q which can be troublesome.

[@purplerainPR]

prolly a dumb question to ask but would it be worth to give sucrose citlali's sig and then try to go for a sac citlali setup? I feel like my ttds sucrose setups dont have enough energy, so going for a no cryo-infusion would be easier in general. I also feel like sac citlali solves her own ER too, as well as give her extra nightsoul to trigger her storm easier. great video as always btw ive just been experimenting what works on my account, these melt setups are seriously impressive to actually pull off in abyss lol

[@cavernman4739]

It's a waste because Sucrose can't proc the Wep passive, which is quite a huge debuff. Maybe you can try getting more ER. my Citlali with 188% ER (holding Nahida's Wep) can Burst twice without Fav Holder before entering downtime in 3rd rotation, missing a bit for 100% uptime. i think 190% or slightly more should solve Her ER completely considering Cinder City can also help regenerate her Energy.

[@purplerainPR]

@cavernman4739 prolly will run er timepiece and use fav rosaria for extra insurance lol

[@moonxeater]

so she's bis for diluc freeze? damn, and here i was prepping my primos for xianyun and her weapon

[@cavernman4739]

Perhaps you are referring to Melt? Because Freeze Melt doesn't work with Diluc due to Shatter. Assume it's Melt, then Yes. She's BiS for Diluc, or perhaps for any Pyro that can do Melt / Freeze Melt.

[@moonxeater]

yeah, i mistook melt for freeze lol, all is well though since i copped her

[@leoserafica5423]

Hi bro, looking forward on your spiral abyss using citlali and mav's weapon 🔥🔥🔥

[@legend5343]

The ultimate showcase🔥 Btw in diluc citlali team do you think sucrose is better than kazuha at C0?

[@cavernman4739]

Imo yes. For the most part C0 Kazuha's only matter in Melt for His uptime. In general He do more harm than good unless He is necessary despite His strict and long setup (i.e Kaeya, Diona, and Layla) Considering CC is almost irrelevant these days, Citlali doesn't need that extra AoE from Kazuha, can easily remove Pyro and is actually scale with EM, Sucrose has more value in this case. more so since Since can enable double swirl faster with certain setup, unlike Kazuha that's stuck with Apply Cryo > Q > Bennett setup.

[@legend5343]

@cavernman4739 ngl i also got citlali I tried her with kazuha but it felt exactly like you said With sucrose holding ttds im getting higher dmg and the setup is much easier At this point imo kazuha is only worth it if he's C2

[@Soy_boy-by8ez]

What's the best weapon for diluc plunge? I wanna turn mine into a crazy dmg dealer but I don't know where to start, I got xianyun and citlali but Idk what I need now

[@cavernman4739]

Either R5 Serpent Spine or R5 Fruithful Hook, alternatively Redhorn but noticably worse than the mentioned 2. Blazing Sun work too if you know how to maintain the passive.

[@ryoma9638]

can you make showcase ATBS for diluc?

[@cavernman4739]

After I raised it, yes. I didn't prefarm for the Wep so i need to wait until tomorrow because the material Domain is still closed.

[@mightydestroyer1790]

Is she better in diluc xianyun team than furina?

[@cavernman4739]

Furina is still better.

[@mightydestroyer1790]

@@cavernman4739 Thank you my goat

[@theianeia]

How much worse is the double cryo setup than the anemo one? Cause I don't think my Citlali can burst every rotation wthout a 2nd cryo till I get better artifacts with a lot of ER for her.

[@cavernman4739]

Quite significant, especially with TtoDS Sucrose or Nahida's Wep Sucrose. The exception to this is only Elegy Ganyu or C6R1 Elegy Diona in which they can perform just as good as VV variant since the Team can hold every Buff oriented set to make up for the lack of VV buffer (NO Ganyu, Instructor Bennett, Cinder City) especially with Ganyu thanks to Her insane AoE and potential 100% uptime that works better and faster than VV setups.

[@Antilogr]

Alright i need your advice on this champ, Im torn between getting Mau Signiture and Redhorn atm, i think they are similar for diluc going by stats alone, but than there is multi-use potential since i got Noelle and Maui both of which i want to invest in, currently im deciding if i want to get Maui's signiture which i can guerentee or Maui herself which i can not guerentee, if i do either one of those i'll probably miss out on newly escaped Shenhe. OR i can save and get shenhe and more importantly Redhorn at a later date. I want to invest in both Maui and Noelle but also get a good weapon for diluc so basically i want to get 1 weapon for sure and right now he uses Rainslasher with Xianyun plunge(i was (un)lucky)

[@cavernman4739]

I don't know the full context so not sure if my opinion could be any help (like would you use any of the 3 in one Run / or just using them separately one by one for Abyss / Events? What's the reason going for Shenhe? Ayaka and Wrio? Or just FOMO?) Only get Shenhe if it's for your personal peference / actual use and not out of FOMO from the running "Cryo Prison" joke. Shenhe is extremely niche that as far as I can tell, only Ayaka and Wrio can actually use, so She should be your least priority unless it's personal. Get Redhorn. Normally I'd say Mavuika's Wep since it's a huge Value for Diluc and Mavuika while still being a strong stats stick for Noelle, opposed to Redhorn that only huge Value on Noelle, but simply a decent stats stick on Mavuika & Diluc. but considering you can only pick one, better get what's best for now and decide for Mavuika later. Though Frankly, it's better just to skip the wep altogether and get more Character (ESPECIALLY newer one given Powercreep is slowly happening) than forcing your tight budget into making hard decision. Getting premium weapon should be a luxury and last desperate attempt, not priority. Don't let FOMO get into you, there is always rerun. The longer it took, the more prepared you are. You don't have to "save everything" just save enough to get all you need and spend the rest on whatever the hot stuff is currently. Invest on your Character first and get their Weapon later, it have served well going with this mindset for 4 Years, and it should be too for you. It's not like the Free Options / Standard weapons aren't good for Noelle and Diluc, especially with Diluc you are mostly playing Plunge so you aren't missing much, if not any by not having limited Weapon knowing Vape is Plunge's best variant, and Rainslasher is one of the better option.

[@Antilogr]

You can just take it as an abstract question im not pulling to get best of the best damage so not hard pressed for specific setups. Yeah i want shenhe just for personal preference but yes it will benefit my Wrio so there is an investment value as well. As for FOMO: not at all, i've been watching your videos for quite some time(amezing content btw just the music getting repetitive after 1 year of watching) but the end game content i don't particularly enjoy doing even after watching your videos so with that being a non-consideration i really have no real weakness for FOMO, like Xianyun came from a 50:50 that i wanted to lose because i wanted Noelle on that banner which i have been waiting for a long time, but i had no luck so had to go the extra mile, and so i ended up with Xianyun plunge with Xinqiu so imagine the rest of the suffering i went through playing a rythm game of bursts with 3 second dmg window lol All in all i dont pull characters for other characters(or constellations) too much cause if i did i'd have already had a Furina for that team and Noelle. It just so happens that most 5 stars they release are dps and i pull occasionally to get a cheracter i find cool which ended me up with an account with Zhongli, Diluc, Wriothesly, Navia, Xianyun, Mualani, Xilonen and Mavuika(Characters that i like or use in order of acquisition) with 4 stars i like or built being Noelle, Bennet, Sucrose, Kaeya, Xinyan, Rosaria, DIOna, Candace, Xinqiu and demon spawn Xiangling(in order of likeness) with no 5* weapon with importance for context. Sorry if i took so long to respond i had to look up a few things for context. Another thing to consider is i already reached hard pity in weapon banner while pulling for Verdict(the other weapon was good too but i dont remember) so the investment needed is only half the normal amount in worst case scenario. So i just need an answer for which weapon i get will statistically be better than the other in regards to use with 3 characters(Noelle, Diluc, Mavuika) combined than the alternatives, if 1 of these characters are left out than i can invest more on them because i like them enough for that unlike usually as i said previously. Thanks for replying to my 1st question.

[@Antilogr]

Theres also drip value and my lack of mailed flower which severely limit my team comps.

[@Antilogr]

But now that i have re-read my second comment it seems like a lot of contradictinary blabber, i better get Furina if i want to invest into any one of these characters as it'd couple well with Noelle where theres only a few options for support it'd also make use of already existing investment with xianyun and rainslasher with diluc and fix my shortage for applicator in my teams for end game content, there is just a little pet peeve for having the investment onto the character itself rather than supports i guess since i like using 4 stars and they're mostly support anyways just without the crazy extra dmg and also the use case for co-op if that matters. Otherwise Redhorn seems to be the better choice if i want to make use of that hard pity in weapon banner. But yeah no FOMO, its just something thats been brewing in my mind for some time by skipping Furina(that i didnt see as an intresting character anyways) and having no better option for enhancing my Noelle that i use less than Diluc but also want to get something for, that also couples as an investment for our old Diluc here(my mans getting powercrept finally, it didnt seem like that thanks to your gameplay for so long anyway).

[@holy_frock]

is mavuika signature bis for diluc?(plunge and melt) and is citlali signature damage inc better than ttods?

[@cavernman4739]

Most likely yes, Mavuika would be new BiS, but not by wide margin compared to Redhorn. Citlali isn't good with TtoDS to begin with. You want to put TtoDS on Buff Bot, not SubDPS (unless your SubDPS in low invest / can't do significant DMG) which wasn't the case with Citlali, so Her Wep is a lot better.

[@holy_frock]

@ if that’s the case this weapon banner is quite good. i might try pulling for mav weapon since i don’t have mailed flower and i’m currently using tidal shadow. maybe i can even get my first sac sword(i still have no sac/fav sword after 9 months of playing) hopefully either way i will be getting something good

[@Doobydoe]

Got her weapon while pulling for Mavuika's weapon for Diluc, is it any good or TTDS better?

[@cavernman4739]

Citlali isn't that good with TtoDS to begin with, generally you want TtoDS to be put on buffer/ debuffer, not Enabler / SubDPS (which is Citlali role) so yes Her weapon is much better.

[@robertosilva-y2c]

Got her and my first 5 star claymore(mavuika's weapon), now should i change my sands to EM on diluc?

[@cavernman4739]

This weapon is a special case where Atk% Sand is equal if not straight up better than EM Sand depending on how much EM you have on your Atk Builds. For context in 2 Cryo + Bennett (no Elegy or EM buffer) my Atk% build performed better than EM Build. Although granted the EM sand only have 312 EM with 2.2k Attack (2.5k with passive) whereas the Atk Build has 107 EM with 2.7k Atk (3k with passive)

[@snowparody]

​@cavernman4739 oddly enough for me that's the same case. Atk sands was also better but my teams were different Diluc c2 (Sun claymore passive active, Diluc c2 active from Kazuha burst), Kazuha c2 (freedom sworn + Kazuha burst), Bennett instructor (aquila favonia), Xingqiu noblesse (fav sword). My EM sands did 190k+ on Diluc burst vape, while my atk sands did 200k+

[@ryukickdo2652]

How fast is her cryo application compared to Ganyu's?

[@cavernman4739]

It's tricky to use Ganyu as measurement since Her application rate varies. She can apply faster than once per sec, or applying it slower than even Rosaria, relative to situations. But assume best Scenario for Ganyu Citlali is doing half of Ganyu. While at Worst (1 Cryo per 2.5s / 2.s) Citlali is doing slightly faster or just the same.

[@zoatov5558]

dont work with 170 ping 🙃 or skill issue

[@cavernman4739]

Sadly most Forward Melt setup does require low ping (or at least no Delay on Swap) due to the timing constraint. Perhaps there could be setup that work with high Ping in mind.

[@Micoiran]

How much she need energy and how much she deal personal damage?

[@cavernman4739]

She need around 170 without Sacrificial for decent uptime assume She absorb Her own particle (2 Rotate before downtime) More for comfort rotation because She can't funnel Her own particle with Skill outside of setup as it will mess the rotation due to Her Nightsoul mechanic. Can't really tell because my Citlali is still on low invest with as is Artifacts, but it's safe to say She's around Rosaria or Ganyu judging by the Multiplier.

[@Micoiran]

@@cavernman4739 thank you general And a little question here is Can she paired with kazuha(kazuhas c2r1 another good steroid for diluc)as good as sucrose or she is like rosaria in this stuation too?

[@cavernman4739]

​@MicoiranYes she can. Knowing Her speed is identical to rosaria, the same setup as Rosaria + Kazuha should work too with Citlali with slight change: Citlali Q > Kazuha Q > Bennett Q N1 > Kazuha E > Citlali E > Diluc Though i haven't personally test Kazuha so the setup might not work, but She definitely can work with Kazuha.

[@jmarcosmm2835]

Você poderia fazer a comparação entre Diona e Cintilali?

[@cavernman4739]

As Buffer? C6R1 Diona > C0R1 Citlali > C6 Diona Overall Citlali is just league better for Her QoL alone considering Diona has a lot of drawback and needed Instructor (which is situational) & Elegy to reach that "Good" level of support.

[@limitmusaya]

citlali is giving diluc shield, can diluc still trigger c2?

[@cavernman4739]

Yes, C2 can still active. It only requires Diluc to get Hit, not taking DMG.

[@ezzhuyt9197]

is mavuika sign suit with diluc

[@cavernman4739]

Yes, it's good on Diluc.

[@ezzhuyt9197]

@cavernman4739 mavuika sign or itto sign who do you think which better?

[@cavernman4739]

​@@ezzhuyt9197Mavuika's.

[@zadokutah2315]

Damn nice, I'll be coming back here often that for sure Still deciding between gettint C1 or save for future Character If you could summarize Citlali in few words what would it be?

[@cavernman4739]

Rosaria on steroids.

[@limitmusaya]

@@cavernman4739