Ultimate Guard Presents The Las Vegas Vintage Cube Draft LIVE Conclusion And Top 8!

[@gryfyn71]

I guess this puts Marshall in the spot of being that guy at the LGS saying "Please remember to return you lands to the land station, please"

[@karmajarrule]

Luis, you’re a classy guy, I lost count the amount of times you replied to people in chat writing about bad picks and plays in a polite manner, there’s a reason people love you (well many reasons but that’s probably the main one)

[@robthaham3408]

I can only assume Rex doesn't play much with physical cards. There were too many mistakes that probably wouldn't have been made online. G2 got gifted to Fernando.

[@traycarrot]

Totally understandable that a bunch of MtGO players who probably haven't nade Top8 at nationally streamed events before are playing a newer cube list for thousands of dollars are jittery and acting bizarre. Not ruling out suspicious play, but I've started tweaking and sweating over going undefeated in pre-releases for a couple packs. I can't imagine the nerves LOL

[@bricelory9534]

Exactly this. So many keyboard warriors assuming they'd have nerves of steel clearly never have been in a high-pressure highly-visible situation. Especially once you make a mistake like the sideboard thing, all your brain will feed you is how stupid that was and how could you have let that happen at a time like this. It really is a learned skill to shake off mistakes and keep a cool head.

[@Shadoww2309]

I have been playing MTG on and off for like 15 years. Last few years, I have been playing on MTGA for 99.9% of the time. My latest paper prerelease, I literally forgot to attack with my creatures on empty boards against tapped-out opponents for my whole first round. That's in a zero stake event, in Standard. Imagine never playing paper magic, then being propelled into Vintage Cube handling 1000s of dollars worth of cards, on camera, against tough-as-nails opponent. Give these guys a break, I would struggle to remember my name, let alone play a tight game of Magic lol.

[@traycarrot]

@@bricelory9534 A real Catch-22: The player is incompetent if they read cards and double check lines. The player is incompetent if they misunderstand cards and rush through plays.

[@seanhutt4621]

@@bricelory9534 I mean if you watch worlds ikawa was shaking like a leaf in multiple rounds and that dude just won a pro tour being on such a huge stage it's crazy to think everyone's going to be Clint Eastwood 🤣🤣🤣

[@vagrantvienna]

Oh dear lord, I felt very seen in your description of the 5-0 prerelease finals 😂😂😂 I'd have a heart attack on that table, the thought of creasing my new mod diamond alone is pure horror

[@jrjamesson]

"who's the twink?" I died. thanks for doing this guys!

[@Beissi-nb9hi]

What does that mean

[@dan13221]

@@Beissi-nb9himeans bk

[@WesleyMaguire-sy2nj]

​@Beissi-nb9hi a twink is a slender, youthful-looking gay man.

[@sdj2]

This was a really cool event; thanks so much for doing the coverage. I enjoyed the BK+LSV analysis quite a bit. Hope there's more events like this in the future.

[@jackdickinson4937]

Jakobovits family now the third richest dynasty in the world.

[@BirdNatureView]

If Luca qualified for his dad, Rex wouldn't know how to draft. However he clearly drafted a decent deck and was aware of all the cards and stuff in a Rochester draft, which is a hard one to do. I honestly think the blunders are mainly caused by him not playing live Magic, but on the pc where triggers happen automatically and you can't mess things up like not exiling the cards and stuff like that.. He had a brain overload or something.. People are usually really cynical and think of the most bad thing instead of the more generous interpretation.

[@andresantana7876]

He had a lot of time between the qualifier day and the live event to practice and get to know the cube cards to builds a decent to good deck. But enough time to learn how to play at this level ? That's a whole different story.

[@californiaplant-basedeater2761]

He can both know how to draft and also not have been the one to qualify. The Rochester draft was fairly straightforward, and a different pool. If he drafted an elaborate Doomsday or Underworld Breach deck in the regular pod format, then that would say something. But he went red white, that isn't difficult or esoteric.

[@bricelory9534]

It's really obvious that so many people have not had to handle high stakes performances in front of live audiences before. The dynamic of being watched and having the weight of people's expectations completely changes the dynamics of a given situation - even ones you're really familiar with. The simplest and most reasonable explanation is that he is probably not hugely familiar with paper Magic and hasn't had the experience of both such a high stakes tournament AND effectively being in the feature match area for every game. That will both cause people to try to focus and slow down - ie reading all the cards to make sure you don't mess up interactions (especially with judges hovering over you) AND lead them to make more careless mistakes as they focus on something else. Let me tell you, I bet he was rattled a good part of it all because of the card mix up at the start. Those sort of mistakes come back again and again and cause a snowball until you grow familiar in how to handle them. Tldr: the simplest, most reasonable, and even most easily expected explanation is nerves. There is far more burden of proof on another explanation, especially one alleging conspiracy.

[@dudaseifert]

@@bricelory9534 how is the simplest explanation not that a crusher crushed by trying to get as many spots as possible in one of the highest variance tourneys ever? yes, nerves, but the odds of not feeling the same nerves in the feeder leagues an then the 64 and then the top8 are astronomical. i'd say occam's razor here is that dad plays, but son qualified

[@bricelory9534]

​@@dudaseifert the nerves are entirely different in the two situations. Assuming he's predominantly an online player, then his normal experience with Magic is purely from the comfort of his home, with everything both as he is used to and wants it to be - from listening to music or having complete silence, to his favorite chair, to keybindings in muscle memory. All of that gets entirely disrupted when you shift to a real-world event, and if you don't play paper Magic regularly, you know have to keep yourself aware to pay special attention to the normal procedural parts of Magic that the client normally takes over. Add on top of that, you now have a judge literally watching over your shoulder, and you know if you make an infraction it won't just be embarrassing, but it could cost you the match. And you have uncomfortable and hot lights on you, and who knows what all else distractions from staff, players, and whatever else was there in the set up. And you know your play is being streamed to a large live audience, and you know commentators will be scrutinizing your play even on top of that. Oh and by the way, don't forget how void counters work while you might not have slept well in your unfamiliar hotel room, especially since you had the nerves of having a day between the draft and the actual matches. And you have to remember what your opponent's deck has going on. And you have to try to stop beating yourself up about accidentally shuffling in your sideboard and to clear your head and focus on the match. It's a totally different level of pressure, especially for someone who is not used to it. And it is an absolutely reasonable explanation for bad play and making sure you're certain how specific cards with slightly odd triggers or exile rules work.

[@Dave_D1ce]

I love that Luis and BK are so excited about this event even after so much disappointment trying to qualify.

[@FeDeSinNumero]

Man after 2019 I have not been watching that much live magic but listening to you two commentating on this is just awesome.

[@udhh2619]

I know right

[@nolifeSnorlax]

That prize pool is SO fricking cool I loved every minute of this :) Thanks you two for covering it

[@BirdNatureView]

Fernando was drafting very solid. He didn't rare draft and was really drafting to win. I really like that and think you do too. I was surprised you guys didn't pick that up yesterday NGL!

[@hamishfox]

Man I love Rochester draft! The draft portion is just so exciting, plus I'm terrible at predicting what people are going to take in regular draft but really good at remembering what someone took if I can see it so I get a natural +1 to all skill checks.

[@glmcg132]

1:42:00 Wandering emperor also gives first strike on +1 and bc chris probably wont chump luca coudve dealt 3 damage before deluge. That is if he wouldve made the samurai in end step ofc

[@SONO_PAHOLO]

LSV Legend stream (in) vegas Thank you both for guiding all of us trough a very different experience. Would love to see this kind of tournament more, please make this a staple.

[@tomavery7953]

Thank you for covering this and doing an Excellent job commentating

[@kolinmason2018]

This cube was like a time capsule from 2019.

[@AmirSudra]

I thought Rex was flustered for 20 mins. Then I read the comments 😂

[@Dave_D1ce]

53:32 This is 100 percent a real thing. I was a casino dealer for years and I developed a feel like this for the casino chips.

[@JDubsCCGsOnline]

28:34 For context, Marshall collects and repairs watches as another hobby. He has a personal channel called Wristwatch Revival for those interested. It's great background content.

[@Sicktoid]

Really an awesome channel with great production values. I'm not a watch enthusiast at all, but I find those videos very interesting and relaxing.

[@latinkingzgl]

Marshalls channel really is super sweet. I stumbled upon it in the search for good ASMR and never turned back

[@daveforce4482]

It‘s really funny to see how BK and LSV think through every play that happens for both of them and it is kinda crazy how fast their minds go to plays that could be made especially ones that give the players information of the hand.

[@Mebimuffo]

So stocked LSV and BK covered this event. Thanks guys, you're the best! Edit: LOL for little Leo-SV

[@moormanjean5636]

Stoked

[@zorguuu]

What a treat ! Best event of the year, best coverage of the year, no question. Thank you both, and congrats to all the players !!! (PS. Even if the cube was suboptimal, I liked the "blasts from the past" with pretty iconic old cards that contributed to give the whole event its "vintage" cachet. Wouldn"t mind an updated cube for next year though!)

[@jbrown1381]

The shirts on Marshall and Reid are awesome.

[@danieljackson4580]

2:20:17 Once youve sacced the Dauthi, your opponent knows you're going to play the angel to take apparition anyway so it will block the Conscripts. I most likely am missing something but it feels like it's the same damage either way by removing apparition as a blocker and removing conscripts from combst. The ideal play is hoping your opponent makes a mistake and doesnt block I guess but here they just assume good plays and speed up the turn I'd assume?

[@pwned555]

I think his play is actually better, if Luca blocks the non conscript it's actually less damage and worse for you isn't it? Because you either blink the conscript and nothing gets through and you get the 1 sac ping, or you don't blink it they take 3 and you don't get the extra 1 sac ping for 4 total damage this way.

[@danieljackson4580]

@@pwned555 Yeah, I think he took the optimal line here. Only thing to note is that when (if) he blocks the non conscript, you can let the damage happen and play the Resto in the second main phase. It would work out to 1 damage less (the ping from saccing apparition) . So you are basically getting either 3 or 4 damage through. It all comes down to whether you are willing to gamble that one damage to see if your opponent will make a misplay and not block, in which case your opponent takes 7

[@ZeroIsEven]

This event is the most important one in Magic to me now.

[@robthaham3408]

LSV, "Its hard to 0-3 a draft". And I took that personally. Keeps 3 land on the draw in Duskmourn, draws 6 straight land.

[@nicolasmarquez8843]

Luca is a beast. He might haved qualified twice for the tournament 😂😅

[@Svetlio1337]

Watching Rex play made me wonder who played on his MTGO account to get there. There is no way he made it to Vegas alone with those plays.

[@juani.2223]

A redhead guy maybe? They should literally be DQ'd for this crap.

[@exposfan94movies]

He was so bad in Round Two, Game Two. He gave up so much advantage and value to lose that game.

[@GuysInGreenHats]

he went 2-1 wtf you mean?

[@californiaplant-basedeater2761]

​​@@GuysInGreenHatsThe way he kept reading all the cards is what made me think. How can he draft perfectly for four drafts in a row and not know what the cards in the cube do? And the drafts get harder, and the opponent gameplay gets harder. It just seems so unlikely he went 13-0 getting lucky by just taking random cards in his colors every time, especially if he didn't play many feeder leagues, having no experience with the cards.

[@somewherefar6130]

What are you talking about lsv and bk literally play together on this channel. ​@juani.2223

[@Jamis39]

Really awesome event! Sick games. Some especially nice plays by Luca and Fernando.

[@clownbabydragon]

Awesome event, appreciate the coverage! Congrats Luca, he kinda looks looks like a young Frodo/Elijah Wood

[@the_siberian]

Look man, if in 20 years we get to see one of LSV's kids qualifying for him in a big event, id be all for it. Plus lsv and BK did play a bunch of the qualifiers together too. In the end it was just such a sick event, getting to see a freaking lotus being opened was absurdly cool and big congrats to the winner, more than justified if you think about it.

[@Spaccaspecchi]

LSV is gonna be the new LeBron, playing with his son for the same team in the PT.

[@maxagnewalhagen1152]

Awesome event. Next time we'll see one of you there for sure!

[@jbrown1381]

Awesome event. Super glad you covered it.

[@georgea4124]

Spoiler blocker I was really rooting for the green-blue deck to take it home. It was super sweet. Close too.

[@hamishfox]

Yeah I was too. I knew it would never happen but damn I wanted him to win.

[@85mcarnold]

My theory is that Rex’s sons are the ones using his MTGO account and they are the real ones playing online.

[@antfayden]

Jujubeans is Rexs other son for anyone confused on how he managed to qualify

[@richardthomas9529]

This seems like a surreal fever dream 😂 super badass

[@teeheenation]

Great coverage loved it

[@DavidSchreinerDCS]

LSV please tell UG this was super fun to watch and I have the krang deckbox in my cart. Great work casting, dope event.

[@G.Aaron.Fisher]

The Jesse vs Fernando matchup looks like an alternate universe Kai Budde vs Tom Martell.

[@GuillaumePoulin]

The list seemed different from the MTGO list for qualification, do we have it somewhere?

[@doleod6340]

What a prize for 1st. Free binder.

[@fuxorfly]

15:59 - was this a subtle jab at telepathy, which was reprinted in every core set from 7th to m10, or something else?

[@LSVargas]

Was it subtle? Telepathy is a terrible design 😂

[@BalldoTM]

@@LSVargas what?? i think Subtlety is a great card design though? def one of my fav evoke elementals tbh >.

[@JohannesLandeWrness]

Loved your coverage! Insightful as ever, and even though the official coverage was good as well, I did in fact not keep both streams on with audio in the end ;) The Rochester format insight was probably the best to take out of all of this (apart from this being probably the coolest Magic event in ages). I actually miss the old Worlds Rochester drafts - which is a format that is really viewer friendly!

[@newscoulomb3705]

Marshall will have you know that his favorite watch is only $97,500 on the second-hand market.

[@zivkobabz]

An hour early wintertime is kicking in

[@denverboyd9953]

This was an absolutely awesome event. I hope they do it again next year I'll take time off and put 200 maybe even 300 into playing.

[@Moxadonis]

Thanks for the coverage.

[@jesselove3715]

"In any case... we should avoid politics at all costs" nice recovery. 😂

[@iTzDritte]

Thanks LSV & BK for saying what we were all thinking about Rex from 59:40 - 1:00:06

[@udhh2619]

Thank you for sharing this with us

[@SymmetricalDocking]

If people believe a player cheated and doesn't deserve to be there, but he still placed 3rd place out of 8, what does that say about the average cube players skill level 😂

[@BlazingFlamesStudio]

IRL cube? Count me in

[@swanee2846]

Did you get to pick the card you signed? Or did they just send you one and say hey can you sign this for the cube? Just wondering how you ended up signing the elf?

[@jrjamesson]

I'm thinking it is because LSV won a PT with elves, right?

[@hamishfox]

That pt lsv won with elfball was amazing. The top 8 was so exciting to watch.

[@jonathanrfisher]

Sooooo, do we think Luka was over Rex shoulder in qualifiers? 😬

[@BirdNatureView]

Daniel seems like a really cool dude!

[@Beissi-nb9hi]

Ultimate guard always keeps me safe. I protecc and you cant do shet

[@mathieuplante2047]

Luca reminds me of a young John Finkel

[@admiralron]

Operating off the prevalent logic of this comment section, Fernando had to check what a card did at 1:11:47. Clearly someone must have qualified for him.

[@alexanderdickens2517]

lsv and bk imply heavily via sarcasm like a dozen times throughout these videos and in this comment section that they think jujubean queued his dad. it's a bit different when lsv himself is raising the stance, cmon now

[@turbobrew]

There is no way Rex qualified for this tournament on his own. Luca - the tournament winner - is his son and many people were thinking that his son got entries on two different accounts and his dad just tagged along. If you watched this on twitch it was so comical how chat was losing its mind everytime Rex blundered. It started with the 45 card deck, into like 10 blunders in a row, upside down lands. It really was a thing to behold.

[@kavugoz321]

I mean that all being said he went 2-1 with the deck and got "3rd" I think him blundering while on stage playing paper magic with cards not in the MTGO cube is fine. People coming up with these theories could be right, but I just think its crazy to say there is "no way" they qualified them selves

[@turbobrew]

It is possible that Rex got in himself, but the fact he was reading every single card (like mana vault) tells me he does not have a lot of reps. Maybe he got extremely lucky and got 13-0 to qualify while not knowing how mana vault works, or maybe - just maybe - his son who is well known to the vintage cube community to be a top player who grinds a lot got his dad in.

[@SymmetricalDocking]

@@turbobrew Daniel in round 1 was also reading most of the cards.

[@AdamCables-j4x]

It's shady and bad that Luca (clearly) won a ticket and lied and gave it to his dad, but pretty damn impressive that Luca was able to win TWO tickets when some of the best players in the world couldn't even get within sniffing distance of one.

[@Jamis39]

People in Twitch Chat and KZbin comments like to act like they always play perfectly. Misplays happen and tilt tends to compound. He was already flustered by presenting an illegal deck, and each misplay probably distracted him more. Rex won his 1st match, and was able to compose himself by match 3 to go 2-1.

[@el6487]

Between the father and son they got six of the power nine!? Nice!

[@alexanderdickens2517]

I feel bad for people who don't relish in opportunities to dunk on uber-rich guys lol

[@Neon-chan2015]

Why do people accept being them when they could be Luca instead?

[@Kendal411]

Unsurprisingly the luckiest drafter won the tournament that requires an obscene amount of luck to make. This was a fun idea and the draft was sweet, but it didn’t make for the best games or drama.

[@traycarrot]

Not sure we watched the same games. The cube list seemed perfect for the style of games I think they were going for. There were blowouts because unsurprisingly the Time Walk, Mox, Ancestral, and Mana Vault with Snapcaster, Spellseeker, and StP deck was running hot, but there were also really, REALLY fun games here. The VClique lines were awesome. The Scarab God lines were awesome. The 45 minute Rex vs Fernando game involving lots of combat math, monarch, flickering, and unknown information was awesome. I came away from the draft a little unsure due to the rare drafting, but these games (facilitated by the cube list) were fucking sick.

[@apeekintime]

I think it's very clear Rex did not actually win his qualifiers. I think his kids played on his account and qualified. It was clearly team play, and it is very clear Rex isn't great at cube.

[@yogzi]

It's very clear he does not play much Magic. Still, he drafted one of the best decks at the table and went 2-1 with it, loosing to possibly the worst matchup for white aggro - rakdos aristocrats. After many misplays, which he acknowledged when collecting his prize for 3rd place. I bet it's quite hard to play live Magic tournament with cameras around you, with cards you never played cube with, for thousands of dollars.

[@Lollerpwn1337]

@@yogzi How hasn't he played with cards like Dauthi Voidwalker, Urza's Saga, Touch the Spirit Realm, Chandra Torch of defiance. Those were all in the cube he supposedly qualified in. Where players like LSV could barely scrape any wins in the 64's. Much less go 9-0.

[@yogzi]

@@Lollerpwn1337 I guess you've never read a card you played 2 thousand times and know perfectly well if it's path to exile or winds of abandon that has a word "may" on it :) Even people on pro tours sometimes read cards or ask for the oracle text. Maybe he's just a good gamer in general and doesn't play 70 leagues each cube season. Edit: at around 2:21:05 even LSV checks Dauthi's wording lol

[@versacebroccoli7238]

@yogzi I've certainly never read a Polluted Delta in tournament play. There is a point where anyone defending Rex is just being obtuse.

[@yogzi]

He was very clearly confirming it's interaction with Mayhem Devil, which is a smart move when there are thousands on the line. Dude obviously played one game pretty terribly, but saying he shouldn't be there, because he reads cards is pretty stupid. He finished 3rd on an event playing against other guys who went 12/13-0 before.

[@romskip8876]

this rubs me the wrong way. a guy who doesn't even know the fundamentals of paper magic, and has to read a fetch land walks away with tons of power in prizes.

[@newscoulomb3705]

Matt Abrams? Small world.

[@ethanheath2537]

Lucca is the goat for grinding those games for his pops

[@diskkun4120]

1:38:00 Luca didn't discard down to 7?

[@joaopedrosousa.]

Luca cast Ancestral on Chris turn, that's why he didn't discard, then he draws(9), play a land(8) and then discard down to 7.

[@diskkun4120]

@@joaopedrosousa. huh, TIL that only the active player discards to 7 on cleanup. i always thought all players did.

[@johnmuir8878]

SOOOOOO CLEAR Luca won two invites. Insane how this played out.

[@alexanderdickens2517]

It's more likely--and LSV has implied elsewhere here--that his brother played a large role in one or both of the invites, not Luca.

[@dudaseifert]

Reading these comments, all i have to say is i have a bridge to sell to some of your fans, luis

[@AdamCables-j4x]

Why did they choose such a "retro" version of a Vintage Cube?

[@Lollerpwn1337]

Because of the real cards. Not as fun opening stuff from the newest sets that's worth pennies.

[@traycarrot]

@@AdamCables-j4x Nostalgia and gameplay. Look at the enjoyment LSV and BK got out of Patrick Raterson and Resto Angel making an appearance, or the decisions involved in VClique or Cursed Totem lines. You don't get the same gameplay from someone obliterating you with a T1 Minsc & Boo or having a bunch of iconic cards like Mind Twist rotting in people's sideboards.

[@Laevateinn-]

Disgusting. There is no justice in the world.

[@elmaster65]

In g1, why is this dude reading every single card? Reading mana vault? really?

[@apeekintime]

Luca had all the luck this event. Broken openings and drawing his power in opening hands pretty much every game. Can't draw it up any better. Can't wait for it to be releveled he was stacking his deck or doing some shady shuffling and no one caught it somehow. We already have pretty good clues that he multiboxed to get 2 qualifications - which means he grinds crazy hard AND is pretty good.

[@eq.8640]

SPOILER BLOCKER!! !

[@darksniper1n]

Rex has clearly played some magic before, but he clearly didn't qualify. 45 card deck says it all.

[@Lollerpwn1337]

Nah 45 card deck seems forgivable if your online only. But the plays and reading a bunch of the most played cards no way.

[@Kettwiesel25]

He came in 3rd! You guys are out of your mind. Yes he misplayed a bunch round 2 losing the game and yes he wanted to read Dauthi Voidwalker. Guess who lost round 2, because he didn't know that Dauthi lets you play the card until eot? Fernando, because he missed out on three damage! So let the pro players read the cards...

[@Lollerpwn1337]

@@Kettwiesel25 The guy is not a pro player is the point. Dauthi has been a cube staple for years. Anyone who qualified for this event knows how that card works. Did you see any other players constantly look at fetches and stuff, no because we play with those cards 100's of times.

[@Lollerpwn1337]

@@Kettwiesel25 I wonder how many of his opponents had black lotus(best card in the cube) in their deck.

[@alexanderdickens2517]

​@@Kettwiesel25 2-1 with a Black Lotus aggro deck in a draft format none of them had played. Is that really so unbelievable or phenomenal? LSV and BK both clearly agree that jujubean qualified his dad, and they might even know it factually and are biting their tongues given he's in their draft server.

[@mikeskirk]

A dad and his son both qualify, and they open 4 pieces of power (and the more expensive ones too). This is suspect to me...

[@maxhaas5405]

the qualifying thing nobody will be able to prove/disprove. but they didnt open the packs, so they just got lucky there

[@quarktasche4997]

Not a bad plot for a promotional event. The fairytale is just hurt by the implausibility of Dad qualifying on his own - yet we had a certain breakdancer @ the olympics as well, so who can tell

[@alexanderdickens2517]

@@maxhaas5405 Technically, given the structure of this event/Rochester, it WOULD be possible to map out exactly who opens what if there was a huge-scale collusion. But it's not very likely, and a much heavier accusation that undermines the entire event. The good opens were likely just because there's two of them, of course, so their odds were always better to look good together even if it didn't include Lotus.

[@burtreynoldz6308]

LSV with the Theo Vonn/Trump call out. Is he secretly based? The 4 kids says that he might be.

[@ashleyosenbach5633]

Considering he always says they when referring to people he hasn't met yet I would say he's pretty left leaning. He's been subtle about politics in the past. But like he said in this video, this isn't a place for politics, it's for magic.

[@julianrueda8358]

Dumb format, it confirms it is not skill, is 90% luck of how opens power

[@higherlearnings1272]

Woah... I think that was kind of cheat and suspect to let that Rex guy remulligan and change his deck after the first 2 times.. Obviously got a big advantage by doing that

[@higherlearnings1272]

Was able to find his lotus and all.. If I was Fernando I woulda been pissed

[@dudaseifert]

lol, if you think it's an advantage to have bad cards in your deck just to try and find a lotus (actually lowering your chance of opening a lotus), you are not a smart person. it was an obvious mistake

[@higherlearnings1272]

@@dudaseifert he got a free mulligan, thats an advantage. youre the one thats not very smart. He didnt have the lotus in his first one but got it after the free one. Hmmm dont you see an advantage there

[@higherlearnings1272]

He got to take out the bad cards, thats the whole point...

[@dudaseifert]

@@higherlearnings1272 i know you big dum dum so i use small word so u understand: 1/40 cards you have about 45% chance of finding the card after 2 mulligans. 1/45 that goes down to 41%. but you also have to play with 5 subpar cards (one of them was past in flames, which is dead in his deck). also i think this event had decklists so if someone saw the past in flames in his hand he probably would've got a penalty for presenting a wrong deck. simply put, you are just wrong, it was always bad for him to have those extra cards

[@Stokkeland23]

I don't understand why several of these players need to like touch and read the cards their opponents plays that they should have seen a gazillion times before. Like they went 13-0 to qualify. You don't know the cards of magic and what they do or what? It's just baffling and annoying to me. Like i would get annoyed if my opponent had to read a Mana Vault. Like you don't know what a Mana Vault does? Really? And you're here playing this event? You qualified? It's strange to watch.

[@peisenxu952]

It's not the same cube they qualified in, Magic has 100 different card treatments now, and the stakes have never been higher for cube. Magic has plenty of specific provisions and interactions that given enough reason (such as the three that I mentioned) I would not bemoan someone reading almost every card.

[@Stokkeland23]

@@peisenxu952 I don't care. It's so hard to qualify you should know what every card in the cube you played with to qualify does by heart. If you have to read a Scarab God or whatever that is totally understandable. But if you're taking time to like read touch and read a Mana Vault or a Chandra. Like seriously… Nah, get out of here with that… It wasn't only the dad either. Several players were like looking at and reading cards. It's baffling to watch.

[@peisenxu952]

@@Stokkeland23 Sorry that they're not all gods like you. Maybe you can give LSV some tips next time and he'll qualify instead of these imbeciles eh?

[@hamishfox]

Lol someone is mad because they're not as good as they think they are and are jealous they can't win.

[@Stokkeland23]

@@hamishfox You are damn right i am annoyed. If you have to touch and read a Mana Vault you don't deserve to be there 😂 Mostly i just find it annoying behavior. I expect the people who manage to qualify for an event like this to know what a Mana Vault does. Like as a bare minimum.

[@JDubsCCGsOnline]

2:05:25 I played grixis midrange back in ixalan standard and Scarab God reanimating Glorybringer was always my favorite play to make.