ULTIMATE SOLO SHUFFLE PVP TIER LIST 10.0.5 DRAGONFLIGHT

[@ThoGrey]

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[@tyrelhunter6529]

I really enjoy Sub and Outlaw, I know Sin is better but already play feral so want something different than dot damage. I just can't decide what to put some time into between sub or outlaw.

[@ThoGrey]

Sub is defo needing more attention from you to get better. But once you are better you can be a big monster hahah

[@onetyles]

Mostly on point! Nice overview :) The only thing i would change is the position of ret: Without tier set = low B With 4 set = mid A

[@ThoGrey]

I don't know, I want to put it on A tier, but it's hard to judge them as ''equal''. BUT it will get alot better with the rework

[@onetyles]

@@ThoGrey exactly! I m so hyped for the rework! Imagine a full midrange ret like sv hunter! With the posebillity to get both shield and dmg reduction with more build in passive selfheal 💯

[@onetyles]

@@ThoGrey shoutout to Lvladen Ret god!

[@ThoGrey]

@@onetyles Yeah it's looking great, and ofcourse, let's praise Lvladen for his A tier content :)

[@krelekari]

Boosted curse of tongues is brutal vs casters Big big fan of warlocks

[@ThoGrey]

Warlock is soo nice man, such a varied playstyle too.

[@sponge6994]

"Against casters you gonna do well, against melees not so good because you gonna get rekt. When I see dk I rek them" True wisdom

[@ThoGrey]

Sometimes wise words don't need shakespearian phrases hahahah

[@xxwukingxx3389]

List is pretty much accurate.. the only spec I would change is SP to S tier. Their buffs after being strong already makes them S tier for sure!

[@ThoGrey]

Yeah I could see that aswell. I did say that for me they are very close to the S tiers, but i don't know if I would change my top casters/ranged tho.

[@humicrobe4507]

Been loving my DH after taking a break from BM main, managed to get drakebreaker gloves with Leech on them and I upgraded them to 421. Sitting at 15% base leech and 25% in meta now. BM is defs sleeper strong, they have a crit/mastery build that does insane burst/sustain with crit bleed. Gives you basically a second barbed shot DoT in terms of DPS with the crit bleed talent, since it accumulates the strength of the bleed as you get more crits stacking. Enough crit chance stacked on with wild call resets will change the mentality of staggering barbed shots to, never capping 2 stacks of barbed and always using 1 on CD incase you get a reset. Then your pets AOE barbed shot stomps & crits will do significant DPS as well. You still spec into KC dire beasts proc + duration and dmg chance for big DPS increases. BM also has the best use of the ASPD raid tier bow since its buffs pet AA as well.

[@proximity5771]

leech procs on item doesnt add up in arena (same with speed and avoidance) only enchants/sockets work for secondary stats

[@ThoGrey]

@@proximity5771 Wait, SPEED doesn't work in arena ( the enchant ones???? ) jeez that sucks lol Probably why I feel so sluggish in arena's then

[@ThoGrey]

Yeah BM hunters are great. Really overlooked which is why you see lots of people lose versus them and not understand why.

[@humicrobe4507]

@@ThoGrey Enchants work. He said for gear with bonus stats such a drakebreakers with speed, leech and avoidance.

[@meowzenberg]

@@ThoGrey all enchants working in arena. Random stats from gear aka leech/avoidance/speed doesn’t.

[@H-D-D]

Ive gone from 1900 to 2300 since 10.05 on my mm hunter. Have you actually tried it yourself? It got tons of doomsayers saying it is dead so ofc nobody is playing

[@ThoGrey]

Well, the ones i m seeing arent doing much. Explain how it is good then? And we are talking about solo shuffle right?

[@H-D-D]

@ThoGrey MM has all the same cc that the other specs have, and can consistently hit 100k+ hits with aimed shots, and up to 150k with kill shot procs. I think with other classes getting tuned down like unholy, dh ret and feral has made it easier, at least for me. Feral and assassin are still the toughest to fight for me. Bursting shot is nice, especially when in smoke bomb, or if they smoke bomb a teammate you can knock the rogue out. I can get kills easily just cc chaining a healer with intimation stun into scatter into trap while im doing insane burst.

[@ThoGrey]

@@H-D-D I will be looking it to it. Would be nice if I can actually play MM before I judge it too quickly. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt, you are right. What tier would you place MM?

[@H-D-D]

@@ThoGreyYeah Nvm. Keep us in F tier so maybe we get buffed next 🤣

[@brandonboss6868]

I love ele sham but I really suck at juking. So there's times it's just unplayable because i'm just a crappy caster haha.

[@haydenmichels6513]

Keep practising

[@ThoGrey]

As ele shaman, you don't realllllyyy need to cast too much. Focus on kiting/be annoying to the melees and when you have a go ready ( primordial wave+earthshock ready + stormkeeper ready) it's your time to shine and to drop them. :D

[@brandonboss6868]

@@ThoGrey haha thanks for the encouragement! I'll do my best to be annoying

[@brandonboss6868]

@@haydenmichels6513 will do!

[@ThoGrey]

@@brandonboss6868 you can do this. Let me know your progression!

[@pietsnotty8283]

Holy priest 2 set gives me a 0.76 cast on heal. Its quite insane. So its a skill issue. For sure A tier

[@ThoGrey]

What skill issue? I'm not playing holy priest xd, I just know that I rek them and many people just slice them. It's not even a ''fast cast'' issue, the issue is, they don't have as many Dmg reduction abilities as Disc which on a bracket with fast dampening, is super important.

[@pietsnotty8283]

@@ThoGrey but they have a lot of strong cds and are still represented in high ratings. Not to mention how many times u can get a chastice out. I main disc, and the skill issue is referring to people not playing/being bad at holy. Its not bad ;)

[@Fabolousyo]

Enh in D breaks my heart

[@ThoGrey]

me too... i'm sorry..

[@Fabolousyo]

@@ThoGrey are you going top talk about the changes with 10.0.7? I dont think it will give enh a lot more sustain with those changes

[@ThoGrey]

@@Fabolousyo well.. I think the 10.0.7 changes right now are more something for resto shaman. I will for sure make a video about 10.0.7 when they have a bigger update.

[@SLF1990]

They hate enh man… it breaks my heart too.

[@ThoGrey]

@@SLF1990 And also, STILL no enhance changes. It's actually crazy..

[@brokerxiii4221]

i thinkv s priest and mages can do better than warlocks

[@ThoGrey]

Its a matter of perspective I think. I can agree versus specific specd ( warrior for example does bettrr vs warlock than mage)

[@lemmy9362]

No no no theres no way 0 chance that evoker is b tier. youre rating the spec, not the players

[@ThoGrey]

No i'm not rating the player about devastation. It's purely because It's gimicky in how it's doing damage. If you know what's coming, you know how to defeat them pretty easily. The hardest part is when you play versus 2 casters, THEN it becomes super difficult or a melee that peels well ( Frost dk ) B tier is good, it's not bad you know.

[@ostrogothiccyoutube8118]

no hes rating lemmy hes not rating the spec you are B tier sorry

[@lemmy9362]

@@ostrogothiccyoutube8118 you dont have to be a asshole mate

[@JB-id3qd]

dh is hardly A tier with past and upcoming nerfs lol.

[@ThoGrey]

Hmmmmmm I think you can be right, but in solo shuffle, CC, disruption, constant uptime + defensives is enough to be good in that bracket imo.

[@JB-id3qd]

@@ThoGrey good is one thing and that is A tier, S tier is DH from the start of Dragonflight. DH is easy to kill. That was okay for me, because we had dmg. now under average dmg, and no defensives. darkeness? u get out of it easy. lets be real now, and lets have a realistic look at DH and its clearly barely A tier. In my opinion B tier. Melee S tier is rogue. Wow became dogshit. Dmg doesent make any sense. sometimes 10k next time same attack, no procs, u hit 150k. that is total garbage

[@m3tabender245]

love ur videos not sure abotu bm hunter, especially seeing as like half the classes cleave and rape the pets now, not to mention all the extra aoe cc thats in the game.. Bm is easily taken out of the game.. i have more issues wth affliction an mage then bm.. there just squishy compared to mage.

[@m3tabender245]

TBH, dragon does 2x the damage of BM, and lives just as long.. the ccs are about even.. idk man.. i just never seen a bm like hit amazingly hard, they usually win from just op team work, which honestly the ywould of won with any class

[@ThoGrey]

BM hunters are very strong man, it's like i'm saying people are sleeping on it. You just have to see stats and ladder representation, BM hunter is ONE of the best specs. Yes pets die quickly but it's not dying as much as you would think ( Mend pet is really strong enough to sustain it, just gotta use it). The CC is immens and they don't need to do much to do excellent damage, while Evokers, are strong in big burst damage, but they can get stopped and they only have that. It's also easier to train. I stand by it, BM hunters are really really strong and you notice it when you go up to 2K2 rating when a good bm hunter just wins with CC.

[@m3tabender245]

ima reply again let mee correct myself at high level mmr and premades, i can see bm being s tier, solo shuffle tho no one takes advantage of the traps, or the kiting of the bm, most traps go un utilized.. especially in sub 1800, for climbing as a non high ranked player, i dont see bm doing it... ive seen several bms get off perfect traps and opening and the team jsut not kno how to even play around it, tunnel vision dps is what low mmr is. and bm dps just isnt going to blow up someone the way destro or dragon or ele or mage or rogue would

[@m3tabender245]

@@ThoGrey oh i checked and ya there is high rated ones, but the ones i play with in my mmr, are fairly good too, its just not many people take advtnage of there benefits , i play bms all the time that trap perfectly but the other players arent helping them cc, without proper interupts and cc train i dont see u killing people in solo shuffle easily as bm.. just due to its damage is easily out healed if the healer isnt being kicked.. in sub 1800 solo suffle no one kicks or ccs, its striaght up tunnel vision rng style

[@m3tabender245]

Eu might be different, but sub 2k rating solo shuffle on NA, is pure Damage, no kicking, no cc they call "warrior" or "lock" start of match and tunnel vision them down lol, theres no strat used iin sub 2k solo shuffle on na