Ultimate StarCraft Duel: 1998 vs 2024!

[@Mistersheeaun]

Lowko: "There are no queens in StarCraft 1!" SC1 Terran Mech player who just had his entire tank line destroyed by spawn broodlings: (cries)

[@Akumasama]

SC2 Terrans discovering what Queen broodlings do to Thors: [External screaming]

[@reubenmanzo2054]

Also, "How do you spread creep?" Um... creep colonies.

[@rayzerot]

Am I remembering wrong? I thought you could only cast spawn broodling on organic units?

[@ripedroxx]

​@@rayzerotnah you can use it on pretty much every ground unit, even the fenix boss from bw campaign lol

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

@@rayzerot No, Robotic units like Reavers are immune though for obvious reasons. Thors, Siege Tanks, Goliaths all have someone driving them that can be turned into a broodling. SC2 units that would be immune would be the Colossus and I think Cyclone(?).

[@varoonb6593]

Very cool to see the community getting frustrated waiting for blizzard to balance and just deciding to do it for themselves. It'll be cool to see SC1 vs SC1 on the SC2 engine eventually.

[@Kufreco]

Uhm.. you can lol sc1 vs sc1 is currently playable

[@alfo149]

​@@Kufrecomay have meant SC1 vs SC1 as casted by Lowko.

[@generalcheeseman472]

​@@Kufrecothey said on the sc2 engine, meaning sc1 units and stats with the extra hotkeys and stuff from sc2

[@JG-ti7id]

@@generalcheeseman472 im sorry but i thought that is what this mod allowed?

[@Tajiena]

I watched someone play sc1 vs sc1 sorry cannot remember who. It is more intriguing to me to watch sc1 vs sc2 though

[@theGECK042]

Oddly, I enjoy these games more than the standard SC2 videos I've been watching for years.

[@rayzerot]

Novelty. Nostalgia. The new unit interactions and lack of a meta We're all excited with you

[@NexusNoxCS]

About the "useless upgrades" Lowko mentioned at about 40:00. It's not about their uselessnes in Brood War. It's all about the timings and how the builds are layered. Backing in the Shuttle speed upgrade would make the Shuttle Reaver builds come online much earlier thus making them way more devastating. There would be timings where thre would just not be any counterplay at all. And making the Shuttle take longer to build and/or cost more would also potentially devaluate Mass Shuttle play in the mid-game with Templars. The same can be said for the Siege Mode or Ultra plating. Early game Tanks are used to ward off early game aggresion without siege and the complex micro dance with Dragoons is a part of it. Earlier, cheaper Siege mode would eliminate that whole interaction. Making Siege tanks cost more or build longer to compensate would mean that Terran will have to take more expansions faster -- and that's not a race that's notoriously hard to expand with in several matchups. Ultras with the upgrade would just immediately massacre Marines without +2 upgrades themslves. The thing is, even 20+ years later Brood War is a much more precicely tuned game than SC2. I'm not saying that means it's better balanced, mind you. I'm saying that what may have worked with almost constant tuning of SC2 over its lifespan dos not apply to Brood War. The logic and consequences are just not the same.

[@liv2sk8zeb]

Starcraft 1 is still the Starcraft that I play 20 years later. I've only watched Starcraft 2 so this is an absolute blessing of a Mod to watch!

[@thetabest]

It's free to play, if you haven't already download immediately even if just for the campaigns!

[@willywonka6487]

im hoping this becomes a longterm thing on the channel

[@martingregor2225]

I also got used to the visuals of the SC2 siege tank, but I do miss the sound effects of the SC1 tank. The thundering quality that the siege attack sound effect has is unsurpassed by SC2.

[@JustRaury]

I never really thought about it before but that seems to be a thing with SC2 huh? Upgraded visuals, downgraded sound effects?

[@Mafty06]

Brood war has better unit voice too

[@Bulltrue32]

I started playing Starcraft 1 when i was 6 years old. It is so amazing seeing and hearing all the sc1 units on the sc2 engine. Awesome stuff!

[@carlosreyesf19]

1:40 you don't need much creep in SC1 anyways, as AFAIK it did not boost speed in SC1.

[@flamerollerx01]

It actually does nothing for the Sc1 zerg in this mod either, other than allowing zerg to build of course and I think Sc2 zerg would benefit from enemy Sc1 zerg creep, which actually makes actively spreading creep a bad idea against enemy Sc2 zerg. In fact, engaging Sc2 zerg off creep is the best idea for Sc1 zerg!

[@the_rabidsquirel]

I thought it boosted the natural regen of units in SC1, but upon looking it up it seems I'm getting that confused with blight from the undead in WC3.

[@rayzerot]

Does the creep provide vision in SC1?

[@carlosreyesf19]

@@rayzerot it doesn't neither in SC1 or SC2. What actually provides vision in SC2 are creep tumors, which do not exist in SC1. They had Creep colonies, which provided vision like any other building.

[@ripedroxx]

​@@rayzerotnope, but you cannot spread it without buildings anyway so wouldn't be useful either xD

[@louistrinh3608]

Wow Queen SC1 is crazy, that's basically an instant snipe on mech units.

[@chrisdaignault9845]

Looks like it either can't hit Thors or only does like 300 damage to them.

[@EmmanuelGoldstein322]

Iirc it only works on biological units. Basically, full robotics like Protoss Reavers are immune to Broodlings

[@darkblade9009vip]

That’s not quite right, tanks are fully mechanical but they still got slaps. Queen can also one-shot HT on the other side of the spectrum. Their one downside is basically 150 energy takes forever.

[@thetabest]

Id forgotten about bw queens! Parasite gives vision, omg i loved that spell

[@flamerollerx01]

Nobody expects the brood war queen inquisition!

[@Taron_HaiTar]

*Don't forget Infest Command Center!* (At half health of the building)

[@thetabest]

@@Taron_HaiTar yeah, that was harder because you had to stop your units from continuing to attack. But then you use explosive humans against them... good stuff.

[@Taron_HaiTar]

@@thetabest Hope it's in the mod and someone will try to do it!

[@Tillallare1]

Yay! 52 minute long Video. Thanks lowko!

[@thepowers100]

Please keep these StarCraft Evo videos coming!!! They’ve been the best things I’ve seen this year in gaming so far

[@JihoonJKim]

Lowko, the terrans are turtling a lot but these guys are just trying to fight the 6-pool ptsd lmfao. These terrans are remembering nam😂

[@nicocastillo2099]

SC1 Queen’s Nest is a circular dome-looking like structure. Seems like they are using a different asset. Even for the sunken colony. It’s different. That one came from the SC2 asset from the campaign.

[@d.sherman8563]

The Zerg actually were originally the tyranids. StarCraft 1 was originally meant to be a Warhammer 40k game but they couldn’t get the licensing.

[@DM-Sym]

The SC1 Dragoon is Protoss' most versatile ground unit. Like a mobile photon cannon almost. It's very good, especially with SC2's better unit pathing. Dragoon is a solid unit for any SC1 Protoss player in this mod.

[@UdderlyEvelyn]

I was sad they omitted so many units from SC1 and about so many art changes, so this is sooo up my alley.

[@jgentilucci]

If you infest a planetary fortress with a queen, it should keep its cannons lol

[@Impossible-Kid]

This would be rad. Imagine the cannons shooting spores or acid or something.

[@Mikivericks]

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Happy Friday! ❤❤❤

[@EmilioJVC]

Nice, now mutalisks can finally mute again, that was the reason it was called mutalisk in the first place.

[@JoducusKwak]

imagine being Queen and you fly around minding your own business and then, after the Broodwar, Kerrigan comes around and goes "nope you have to walk now" no wonder Broodmothers initially didnt want to go back to Kerringan in Heart of The Swarm, they where all pissed they cant fly anymore

[@Shardarki]

Lowko, they can fly now!

[@mynameisname3049]

really curious how a mod like this hasnt been thought of earlier

[@thetabest]

The creators were too busy playing and only just got bored?

[@argentthefish2204]

I've been waiting for this!

[@schippes24]

My takeaway from the few games I've seen of this mod on your channel: if you play the sc2 pieces, you should be much more aggressive. Sc1 races feel way slower but once they get going, they are quite strong. Love the mod videos, keep em up lowko!

[@nonyabusiness-f9e]

man imagine if we could see flash (sc1) vs serral (sc2). how epic would that be. this new map/mod is cool.

[@32ijavila]

Keep these videos coming. So fun

[@Allure7TH]

Can we also get a game of SC1 vs SC1 from this mod too please Lowko? SC1 armies clashing in SC2 engine is something I've been really wanting to see.

[@royalcanadianbearforce9841]

omg more evo?! THANK YOU LOWKO! WE LOVE YOU!

[@IExistSometimes]

Ngl I think not mentioning that spawn broodlings one shots a unit is a bit of a miss in the first cast, you mostly just say that they're throwing broodlings around, but the broodlings are the least important part of the ability

[@flamerollerx01]

A small mistake, assuming everyone already knew that fact. Most of his audience probably does though. Still a valid criticism.

[@Silvercruise]

I heard it was nerfed to dealing 300 damage instead of insta kill in this mod

[@flamerollerx01]

Remember, three vultures cost 225 minerals, but two stalkers cost 250 minerals and 100 gas. Losing 2 stalkers and a probe to 3 vultures is a very bad trade. This happened at 27:37 just look at the minimap (remember, Lowko has vision of both players). It goes dark except for the pylon. Lowko missed this event when he thought the battle was over and moved his camera, but I had already seen this match on harstem's channel.

[@patrikhala1910]

6:25 and 10:20... I thought that turtling is one of the root signs of the Terran race 😁 I also like the term Sim City, lol. I call it "Tower defense", for example

[@NastyVlocka]

Its so cool to see new Terrans vs old protos. Its looks like nowdays Terrans found some forgotten Protoss planet fighting them like "Future is now, old men."

[@rayzerot]

I'd like to watch some tvt, zvz, and pvp fights

[@tomseiple3280]

MORE MORE MORE LOWKO! WE WANT MORE!

[@literatemax]

I love the Defiler and Sunken Colonies

[@mikkry7525]

I've played starcraft since it's release. The most efficient way to spread creep was with static defenses. Not only does it spread creep, but it also gives you map sight and pings when you're being attacked.

[@NOBODY754]

Amazing to see BroodWar again! Love it so much!

[@Impossible-Kid]

Even though these games weren’t balanced FOR eachother, you can tell each faction has tools for different scenarios. So it just kind of works. SC 1 mech is different than SC 2 mech, but each race has a strategy to address mech. Loving this mod.

[@TyphoonJig]

Vultures have such a power boost in this mod, their damage against most targets was basically doubled. On a unit that was already this strong and cost effective it's a lot. Their interraction with dragoons is completely turned on its head.

[@michaelross1464]

Very cool mod. Lots of fun to watch

[@Rikard_Nilsson]

you forgot one queen ability: infest command center, which it looks like he was trying to use at 15:34 it doesn't show up as an ability if i recall correctly but if a command center is in the red of it's HP a queen infests it and takes it over at which point it can create infested terrans.

[@nicocastillo2099]

Would love to see infested terran command centers!

[@rayzerot]

Right?

[@Fudgeyum2122]

I could watch this gameplay all day lol.

[@sellis2819]

while the starcraft1 storm looks nicer it needs a circle or something to show where its hitting as some times i kinda cant tell readability vs visuals

[@lukaszboczar2441]

Those hydras look so much better imo

[@alexanderkubicki3777]

MORE OF THIS CONTENT!

[@arvinjancruz5175]

great series!

[@ChuckyFinnster2112]

i love how everytime lowko cast and protoss is in the game he always mentions tempest

[@rayzerot]

-shrug- I get it. The Tempest is really good at either forcing fights or for getting free damage

[@grahamelliott9506]

ah those queens lording over the hydra push, could have been picking away at the army ; they weren't doing a lot on offense once the base race began but he still won

[@AdityaMehendale]

18:22 - missed opportunity for Brenda.. NEED FOR A SWORD! (or whatever it is that they say)

[@Joelandb58]

Love watching these videos as much if not more that SC2 vs SC2 🤙

[@Cawfeesomething]

Would love to see 2v2, with same races on the same team like sc1 terran and sc2 terran vs sc1 zerg and sc2 zerg etc.

[@pyrothem]

Hell yeah more 1+2 Starcraft.

[@ZerglingLover]

we finally have starcraft 3

[@dr.pieper3704]

Cool to see something different

[@GoukenGassenarl]

Wait, I saw some previous videos that had the sunken colonies looking more like SC1's. Why is it back to the SC2's Sunken Colony look?

[@whynow4306]

Because obviously this is older video.

[@ghoohg551]

The thing about Queens in SC1 is that it doesn't have the SC2 QOL for casting. They get much better when you can cast from a single queen while a group is selected.

[@MilanKovacs-kc8ik]

Yo nice video! Also I think that the other upgrade is the goliath missile range

[@Delebriel]

I feel like currently the key here for SC2 races is to do their usual builds that include heavy worker harrass. SC1 races just have fewer tools early and also not used to starting with 12 workers, while SC2 builds are basically unaffected.

[@chrisdaignault9845]

So if you ask me, I know they're not equivalent as tech structures but I think the BW version of the Twilight Council is the Arbiter Tribunal.

[@eduardoddutra]

Would be nice to see 2x2 games in this mode, but it's only allowed to be 1 race per team. So it would be something like SC1 Zerg + SC2 Zerg against SC1 Terran + SC2 Terran, for example, then we can have ultimate battles between the starcraft races with both advantages and disadvantages of both versions of starcraft!

[@blackrain711]

Cool games. Just imagine if Terran lost flying buildings in SC2 like Zerg queens.

[@pedroreyes8838]

starcraft 2 will live as long as lowko lives.

[@illumin4t152]

i guess you forgot flying units are a great target for zergs in SC 1, they had terrors back then, so anything what flies dies fast

[@brettloo7588]

40:30 > There is a Raven on the map and you don't call it out!

[@zmei7mei642]

Наконец то большие группы, мечта зерга.

[@thetabest]

I rarely did reaver drops, the scarabs are too stressful to control😂

[@BOGEZ]

I think one of the greatest things about this mod is being able to wath broodwar legends fight against sc2 legends

[@kevink6513]

5 min no rush

[@i9erek]

I really like this mod.

[@Nick-hi9gx]

I've always felt that immortals and stalkers miss something that dragoons had. I think it is just that cinematic from SC1 of the dragoons warping in on the Terran base from an Arbiter recall. They are just way cooler than stalkers.

[@iforgotmyname1885]

It looks like protoss is able to alternate the unit factions like in the campaign.

[@ObeliskM]

Hydras + queens is great anti mech composition. Terran was too passive though.

[@JushuaProvido]

The Brenda Queen needs to be an official canon thing

[@BuffPomsky]

bruh the first game..the terran player was just playing campaign on brutal difficulty having to fight off waves of hydralisks haha

[@brgessner]

I found BW zerg has a hard time against SC2 Terran Bio ball. They just don't really have a way of dealing AOE until defilers

[@amadeopascoe7971]

Lowko should upload a video playing the mod ! Like so he does it !

[@hawktitan7896]

I'd love to see 2v2 on this mod

[@elvin_771]

leos gooo i love this content

[@scribetv2880]

More onthis Lowko

[@HowlandTheFirst]

What happens at 43:57? The Dragoon shoots twice but the damage hits once.

[@AnitaBeerstein]

Missed shot? It's like 1 in 257 chance in Broodwar according to Artosis

[@ByronCorella]

So much nostalgia

[@DragonustX]

dumb question why do the hellions have 3 wheels?

[@shadowarchon7964]

They're using the Special Forces skin for the Helions.

[@thesquisheee]

Can drop ships pick up siege tanks in siege mode in this mod? That was a killed move back in the day.

[@joshuafox7716]

Question: Due to zerg (StarCraft 1 version) having fast attacking units (zergling, hydralisk) do you think mech armour and bio armour could be more prioritized?

[@Taron_HaiTar]

*I want to see someone try to Infest and steal Command Centers as Sc1 Zerg here, since you could Infest Terran Command Centers at half health with Sc1 Queen in Starcraft1/Brood War to build (Volatile) Infested Terrans.*

[@TurTurHamMan]

Does the mod actually still enforce individually casting spells? I would imagine smart-casting support would be an engine-wide change

[@PalantirM]

I’d love to have statistics of same race match but Sc1 vs Sc2: who is stronger ?

[@MarcFireHart]

Do the vultures now get more than 3 spider mines? I used to hate those units because you only had three mines and could not produce any more. 😳

[@47StormShadow]

Very cool! I think SC2 Terran will need to rely on airpower to fight SC1 protoss. Viking, Raven, Banshee, Lib comp here we go!

[@joshuakim5240]

Hopefully SC1 Zerg Queens force more Skyterran and air zerg comps just to force some more variety. Then again, SC2 Ghosts are going to become 100x better just for shutting down the giga-broken SC1 spellcasters.

[@47StormShadow]

@@joshuakim5240 Exactly! There are so many exciting possibilities for creative plays to use. I seriously hope this mod takes over the scene, it's already having a revitalizing effect

[@realteoh]

YES MORE !

[@percyj.5091]

I'm honestly surprised how no sc1 Terran has used Lockdown until now. Just make 5-10 ghosts and lockdown HPTs like Colossus and maybe immortals in a deathball.

[@Kick_ma]

@lowko talk of brood wars in sc2 can we get a “mass recall” run through?

[@mathieugrenier27]

I think the sc1 spellcasters are so strong because sc1 units are harder to control so spells have to be more rewarding

[@the_rabidsquirel]

No kidding. What's that, you didn't want all of your templars in this control group to storm the same spot? All your battlecruisers to yamato the same target? Have fun spending more time individually selecting each unit out of the control group before using their spell.

[@mathieugrenier27]

@@the_rabidsquirel Haha seems like you are speaking from experience

[@OwnerOfStarcraft2]

waiting for the queens to infest the command center

[@Slebonson]

SC2 did have an update today I bet it was to this game mode.

[@Spartsou]

ooh! more SC1 mod! YES! The hatchery morphing into a Lair doesn't cover the whole hatchery, lol. I love the Hydralisk look, how they added the SC1 skins to SC2. also love the Drone and Protoss 'mining' sound....ahh love the good ol' days.... some of the sounds like the Hydralisk attack and Drone mining are really quiet...is it just me, or my headphones? ooh, PartinG is here?!?! Let's go!!!! I think making BW Terran 'Siege mode' makes it more true to BW, even it makes BW Terran "less powerful" I forgot Depot's can't be lowered in BW as well, lol ahh, the Marine death sound....nostalgic, and the Vulture mine sound, lol ahhh, yes the comsat station sounds, and the High Templar death sounds..... I forgot about the BW Archon attacks! Yeah, Lowko the SC1: BW sounds are really nostalgic! Thanks for casting these games! it'll be interesting if this mod will come to the GSL

[@absolutexero9385]

It's very difficult to get rid of parasite but aside from killing the afflicted unit a medic can cleanse it off

[@flamerollerx01]

I am waiting for someone to actually use DARK ARCHONS! Nobody seems to think they'd be any good, but I think they'd be super busted. Maelstrom specifically.

[@enthiimedia2198]

This is interesting! Would anyone tell me where to download the replays for this mod?