Ultra-Processed Foods & The Factors Affecting Food & Nutrition | Dr. Tim Harlan & Dr. Robert Lustig

Ultra-processed foods harm people’s health and have ramifications for the overall health of the planet. While some food processing is necessary for recipes and feeding the globe, the food industry needs to make changes to ensure that processing doesn’t turn foods into harmful substances. Dr. Tim Harlan and Dr. Rob Lustig discuss the harmful ingredients in ultra-processed foods and how they impact metabolic health-as well as why the food industry has a moral obligation to make drastic changes.
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📍What Tim Harlan, MD, & Rob Lustig, MD, discuss:
00:00 - Intro
04:06 - Nutrition science over the last decade has made strides, but the food industry lags behind
06:46 - Food can be medicine, but it can also be poison
11:59 - The NOVA system classifies foods by their level of processing
21:17 - DATEM is an example of processing
22:03 - Emulsifiers potentially harm the gastrointestinal tract
26:50 - Sugar harms the liver, which can lead to metabolic disease
35:08 - In the United States, people tend to consume too much omega-6 fatty acids
41:59 - The food industry can find ways to make ultra-processed foods safer
44:39 - Supply-chain changes are another piece of the equation
45:55 - Multinational companies have a moral obligation
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[@ryanwaguespack3611]

EVERY time I go to the grocery store, or anywhere for that matter, and look around, it's a great reminder that metabolic syndrome is getting absolutely out of control!!!! It's shocking what people put in their grocery basket without realizing the serious danger & toxicity of their decision.... I think the vast majority of our population is absolutely clueless of metabolic health, and it shows.

[@sandrasweeney798]

Dr Lustig changed my life. I haven't eaten any processed food, used a sweetener, or had so much as a zero carbs soda for months. Not every thing has changed yet. My skin is supple, amazingly so; my inflammation is reduced, I know because my face is clear, also my knees seldom ache.

[@alexlew6159]

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[@virginiahopkins5735]

I have completely changed how I eat, Used many things learned from Dr. Lustig and other Doctors. I only use one sweetener, Local Raw Honey, It helps with my allergies in Spring and Fall, use it far my coffee and tea. I was raised on a farm back When we ate organic and did not even no it. My mother only bought coffee, tea, spices, flavoring, flour, salt, Sugar derived from sugar cane, whole grain rice, Mother went to town to grocery store only once a month. We had chickens, eggs, hogs, cows, milk, butter, cheese, fish from creek fed pond. My Father had four mules, used on farm, these mules, cows, and chickens provided from their mature provided fertilizer far farm. My Mother used hog lard far cooking, that was rendered from fat when hogs where killed far food. We ate beef, pork, chickens, turkeys, quail, deer, and fish. I have stopped eating all highly processed food, Have gone back to eating real food without additives. I am 68 years old, since going back to eating same as when I was growing up on farm. My Father lived to 85, Mother lived to 96. I have been able to go off several medications, My health has improved, and my overall quality of life.

[@bobadams7654]

Well done. Keep up the excellent work 👏

[@kathleenking47]

XYLITOL is a decent sweetener Unlike sugar, and protects teeth. You have to use a little at a time at first, or you'll get diarrhea

[@theunknown21329]

Dr Lustig is such a joy to listen to. May you get the recognition you deserve!

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denuded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@gerrym-cat7119]

Great conversation! “Feed the gut. Protect the liver. Feed the brain.” 😊

[@saidmuzungu23muzungu83]

❤️❤️❤️

[@marionalbergo1146]

Yes “the sky opened up and everyone is interested in food” …..exactly!! Thanks to you Dr Lustig. When will you be acknowledged for your decades long crusade and research work pointing out the perils of processed food and sugar?? You truly deserve a Noble Prize for the impossible mountains you have climbed, impenetrable barriers you have smashed through and the great many lives you have altered…… yes you are a genius!!

[@chayanneharihi9677]

Agreed. Respect to him

[@beaubolinger1521]

Absolutely Correct--NOBEL PRIZE

[@tifqureshi212]

Absolutely agree

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denusded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@imdanbands3968]

Well said. AMEN to that. Nobel prize winner for sure. He has changed so many peoples' lives. He is my idol....wanna give a handshake to this man for all he has done.

[@janethearmon8008]

Something I would add. As anyone who has given up sugar can tell you, your taste for sweetness changes when you don’t have it. Many foods I used to love, I no longer like because they are too sweet. Processed food companies could change our tastes to like less sugar over time. That could resolve a lot of their repeat purchase issues.

[@Cheezwizzz]

I’m almost 3 years sugar free and 5 years soda free! What you mentioned about tasting food or drink that you used to have is now too sweet. I recently took a sip of some ‘sugar free’ soda just to see how bad it tastes, I spit it out it was so sweet it had a bitter aftertaste! I think it’s terrible that so many kids are now drinking these huge cans of energy drink, just sugar and caffeine and parents wonder why their kids are losing their minds!!

[@annbarbarag9152]

I was thinking the same thing! I just don’t enjoy the same things I used to.

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denuded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@virginiahopkins5735]

I still will use real sugar from sugar cane, still brown not over processed once in awhile, I use raw honey all the time, in my coffee or tea, About 2 table spoons aday. Honey keeps my allergies in check and good far the gut. I have banned all highly processed food. My fruit and vegetables taste much better, everything tastes better, now use real butter, olive oil in my cooking, balanced diet.

[@ernestinaortigozaaranda4909]

I am almost to the point that my only addictions are learning from Dr. Lustig and unsweetened green tea. Yet, I am devastated to learn that fertile soils on Earth have been poisoned. So, no matter how hard we try to protect the liver, feed the gut, and help the brain, by eating real food, still our bodies will be screwed by those heavy metals in the soil.

[@Drain-Life-Archive]

The food industry needs to take the sugar out and put the fat/fiber back in. It would help if sugar was taxed instead of subsidizing.

[@randomprotag9329]

fibre was added to a beer and even with a mark up the reduced amount drunk from feeling full lead to a loss in profits. what makes healthy food good makes ultra processed less profitable. if it worked they would have done it already for the health claim on the pack.

[@dol3980]

Sugar not unlike salt and vinegar and citric acids and nitrates are not conducive to good health. But what is the alternative to longer shelf and fridge life, you end up cooking and canning daily, and cannot afford ur truck/ home mortgage.

[@MichaelSalo]

The food industry has already reengineered their entire product line to comply with the low fat diet. Perhaps the first step should be to simply revert back to original recipes.

[@jackdelane]

Id say removing goverment subsidies on grains would be a great start... if corn isnt artifically held up maybe corn syrup wont be so plentiful... maybe farms would grow veggies, squash, or livestock ... actual food

[@mj8495]

The solution is to stop buying and consuming it. If there is money to be made, companies will keep selling it. They invested a lot of time and money into developing these addictive, shelf stable frankenfoods. Dr Lustig was the final piece of the puzzle for me in understanding how my poor eating choices were very bad for my health ... thank you for all the research and advice! 😊

[@flycorvus]

Rob Lustig for US FDA chairman.

[@imdanbands3968]

would LOVE that because he is honest and moral and would do what is right. The FDA, CDC, NIH, trust me, all who has their hand in their pockets loading it with money. That is what gets through CDC and FDA....MONEY

[@jackdelane]

We don't need bread or pasta.... we want them, but we don't need them...

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Not on a regular basis, but it can be a practical thing for the shelflife (like the rye crispbread) and the energy they provide to have in the prepperpantry for some sort of emergency or for people participating in endurance sports. Sure, the better alternative is perhaps making them homemade but that could limit some to time available. In another video he discussed social equality and people who work more than full time on low wage jobs may not have it. The thing is that processed food often are cheaper because it have longer shelflife so there's less waste (at least in theory), for instance the presumed unpolished rice is more expensive because the (presumed) healthy shell is going rancid.

[@jackdelane]

@johannas.l.brushane2518 very true it's practical, but frozen veggies and pork chops are rather cheap.... and I work 50 hours a week and still make a real supper for my wife, 2 year old son, and I.... so I definitely believe it's possible to do without . I definitely understand the convince and longevity of some of that stuff is really nice. My wife and I will on occasion eat out purely for convince, so I'm no Saint either lol

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@@jackdelane Well yes, that works if you can secure you have electricity to run the freezer. For urban areas where a lot of people live in apartment blocks a power outage lasting longer than circa 24 hours and they need to eat it all even if they can cook on these alcohol camping stoves.

[@Paul.Kozljak]

Reforming processed foods is unrealistic. It is hanging on to a business model that hurt us. The best way is to continue educating people about the value of eliminating the things that make us sick. As the science progresses and evidence accumulates that health or sickness depends on the quality of our food, more consumers and experts will get on board. The culture will shift.

[@felixcoello1401]

🎉🎉🎉🎉5😂🎉6tttt

[@Tess78uk]

It won’t resolve the problem if inequality continues to grow and a significant proportion of the population can’t AFFORD anything but calorie-dense, nutritionally-bereft carbs. It’s an issue of economic justice as much as one of climate justice and cultural and educational change.

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denusded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@dol3980]

U got it. Look at the Russian special op in the the Russian Oblast called ukraine where every one wants grain shipping from there just to eat once a day in say Africa., etc

[@AzaleaBee]

46:14 Cognitive decline caused by consuming highly process "food" certainly is concerning. It's about time we wake up, smell the coffee, and make change.

[@sergiochant3707]

Legendary lustig..another great lesson 🙌🏽

[@sharonshea3261]

Here's what I do to fix ice cream. I was horrified to finally read the label on ice cream (good brands!) and find they are skim milk and sugar. I was horrified. So now instead of a small bowlful, I take just a small scoop and pour some whipping cream over it. Far, far less sugar and with grass fed cream, which is what I really love.

[@candecarro]

As a grandmother I feel I can only lead/teach by example. The 8-yr-old wants ice cream for every sleepover we do. If I have to serve it, then I’ll make my own ice cream, with just 2, 3 or 4 ingredients. NO emulsifiers, “flavors”, or other unnecessary ingredients.

[@auntiesam8489]

Wow. My eyes are opened. Thank you for the good start to better eating. Added sugar is a bane to humanity. Fructose is the fentanyl of food yet gives a slow & sad end to those addicted to it. Thank you for all you do to help my food choice dicernments

[@johneubank8543]

I used to home grind wheat berries - then organic wheat berries - and bake our own bread. I learned how to make it fluffy with no chemical additives - just things like butter or egg. I would start the yeast working overnight - a tiny amount with the water. Presoak w/ some yeast. My bread was good. It was poison. It was killing us. We got sicker and sicker. We didn't eat a lot of processed food, particularly my wife. She'd had IBS for years. Then diverticulosis - with an attack so painful I had to take her to the ER. Understand, we cooked most of our own food. Fast food and restaurant food was rare. We had some zap n eat frozen processed food, more for the kids - we ate some but not a lot. Nothing like some other families we know. Last year I went keto, then my wife did. No more diverticulitis attacks; IBS got weaker. After listening to YT carnivores, my wife tried that. Her IBS went away. She is stunned. And so happy. Years of pain. Years of docs not taking her seriously and just telling her to eat more fiber. More Metamucil. That just made it worse. It's not the emulsifiers alone. You can't just blame them. Fiber is the enemy. I still eat some veg. A few months ago my wife had a serving of asparagus - I'd made plenty. One normal serving - that night she was stuck on the toilet for hours, in pain, bloating, feeling the need to go but unable to. The IBS was back with a vengeance, just like that. Thank goodness it went away - she stopped eating plants. Well, every once in a while she eats avocado, which doesn't trigger her - small amount of macadamia nuts is ok - but most days she's totally carnivore. Living on fatty steaks. We feel amazing. We've lost so much weight - I am down to size 34" waist jeans. Haven't worn that since HIGH SCHOOL. We both had prediabetes. It's gone. We sleep better - wake up with energy, ready to take on the day. We don't need to nap any more, most days. I have more energy now than I had at 30 (I'm a fair bit past that age). It's not the emulsifiers. Dr. Lustig - I appreciate you - but ... I have detected conflict within you regarding those of us doing keto and carnivore. Look, millions of us (in America alone - worldwide far more) suffer from IBS, like my wife - or other IBDs like u. colitis, crohn's. You just stop eating plants. They go away. Not just emulsifiers, which I agree are bad. Stop eating fiber. Dr. Paul Mason - Australia - the only controlled study I know of on fiber. Randomized group of people who all had constipation issues. Cohort A was asked to eat extra fiber, B the normal rec'd amount, C lower than normal, D no fiber. Guess which cohort had the most constipation? A! Group B reported less constipation than A, but it was still bad for them. Group C even less than B. Group D - the no fiber group - reported ZERO constipation. You do so much good, but you're potentially harming millions with your stubborn, clingy beliefs in fiber and plant food. Processed or not. For some of us, all plants are too toxic to eat. Stop being so stubborn. You're brilliant, but my God, do you have a blind spot! Maybe people don't need to restrict carbs like we do if they're not as sick as we were. But Most of the country is as sick as we were OR WORSE. Please. Try to understand this. Most of us need to highly restrict - or completely restrict - plants in our diet.

[@Merzui-kg8ds]

Food as Medicine is, eh-hem, not a new concept. It is an ancient concept. In some ways we are not learning new things about nutrition. We are learning old things about nutrition. We relabel it "multicropping" "rewilding" "organic", but 200 years ago that was just "food".

[@jamesallen4708]

I agree, we're just confirming through modern biomedical research what Genesis 1:29 and Daniel 1:12 long-ago stated. And then there's are the predecessors of these more recent advocates of a healthy diet, like Bernard Jensen, Jack Lalanne, and others.

[@adorableadornments1101]

@@jamesallen4708 So you are saying that Genesis 1:29 and Daniel 1:12 is all you need to support eating a vegan diet. You need to remember that in Genesis, it states that all the wild animals would eat this food as well. That means big cats, wolves, eagles, all predators should also be eating that way. What you are not taking into consideration is that once Adam sinned and was removed from the Garden of Eden, he was no longer perfect and would spread his imperfection to all men. Romans 5:12. Humans were close to perfection and lived long lives just eating vegetation, however after the flood God told Noah at Genesis 9:3 that every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you. So humans are supposed to eat meat. He knew we would need the nutrition in animal products to be healthy. The only caveat was they were not to eat the blood of the animal, it had to be poured out because the life is in the blood and to God, blood is sacred, considering the fact that his Son Jesus gave his lifeblood to buy back what Adam took away from us. In the book of Daniel, I believe you are referring to the time when Daniel and his 4 companions were to serve in the King's palace but because of God's law about what the Israelites were not to eat, Daniel had no choice but to ask that he and his companions be given vegetables to eat so that they did not defile themselves with the food that the law forbade. They were more concerned about their obedience to God, than about what they were told to eat by the Babylonian King. They were blessed for their obedience and were given strength by God's holy spirit , not just because they ate the vegetables. There is context to be found in that chapter. Notice after they showed their obedience to God, they were given knowledge, insight into every kind of writing and wisdom; and Daniel was given understanding in all sorts of visions and dreams. I am very sure that after the ten days, Daniel and his companions ate the meats that were allowed under the Mosaic law because the King respected their necessity to eat that way. The Mosaic law allowed for eating meat, just not all kinds of animals as Noah was told. It was due to the covenant God made with Abraham for them to become a people for his name that he gave them the law. This would separate them from the rest of the world of mankind as God's people. There is a promise in the Bible however at Isaiah 65:25 that in the near future under God's Kingdom that people pray for, that "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, The lion will eat straw just like the bull, and the serpent's food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain," says Jehovah. Someday, those who survive the end of this wicked system of things will have the prospect of living on a paradise earth as it was intended and we will all gladly eat the fruitage of the earth. It is God's purpose that we get back to the Garden.

[@felipearbustopotd]

0:08 ( simple Ice cream type replacement) place a pot of cottage cheese 300 grams as purchased into the freezer compartment 2 hours before you want to consume it. I do not freeze it for longer. It comes out of the pot really well, almost as one piece and because it is slightly frozen it creams up very nicely. What you add to it, is up to you.

[@candecarro]

That sounds fabulous!I’ll try that with my homemade yogurt.

[@felipearbustopotd]

@@candecarro I would love to know how it works out for you.

[@felipearbustopotd]

@@candecarro I have stopped buying Ice cream for the above hack

[@lilytea3]

0:00: 🍽 Processed food can be improved by rethinking ingredients, reducing harmful additives, and improving the supply chain. 6:46: 🍎 The discussion focuses on the challenges of food as medicine and the impact of ultra-processed food on health. 13:21: 🍞 The speaker discusses the difference between whole foods and processed foods, using bread as an example. 19:47: 🥖 The discussion focuses on the challenges and potential harm of industrial produced bread, particularly regarding its carbohydrate to fiber ratio and the use of emulsifiers. 26:52: ✅ The metabolic matrix consists of three principles: protect the liver, feed the gut, and support the brain. 34:25: 🥦 The key point is to improve the fatty acid ratio in the food supply to support brain health and reduce the risk of diseases. 41:27: 🍽 Processed food can be improved by rethinking recipes and ensuring better quality ingredients, packaging, and sustainability. 49:40: 🍬 The challenge was to sweeten a product and make it healthy, and they found a sugar extender called allulose. 55:13: 🍎 Food is medicine, but it can also be poison. Doctors and scientists need to understand how to mitigate metabolic diseases caused by poisonous food and teach patients to do the same. Recap by Tammy AI

[@Youknowwhoin2024]

Thanks Tammy Al

[@carolginsberg662]

Wow, this conversation was so inspiring and hopeful! Thank you very much!

[@TheIgnacio777]

Great convo! The challenge is that to make this work, food cost would probably double..., very tough to envision at the general population level. I am certainly onboard personally

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denusded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@nicolemanning6422]

Every couple of months, here in our small community in upstate NY, I learn of another small business/ family farm of growers and raisers in our area. Yes, per piece the retail price may be higher than the supermarket, but because these locally grown and raised foods are so healthy and nutrient dense, I need less food to satisfy my hunger. Additionally, since I am not eating toxic inflammatory foods any longer I no longer have the compulsion to overeat.

[@shevawnprather7162]

Yes, all of these changes are entirely possible! We have so much abundance on this planet that there is no end to the great possibilities at hand. But money, power and greed are running this matrix. We’ve been programmed since birth like robots into the societal norm of more is better, when all we really need is more wisdom. 🙏❤️

[@adorableadornments1101]

I don't agree that we should cut back on eating land animals at all. More attention needs to be paid to regenerative farming instead of the huge farming operations that produce the wheat, corn, soy and rapeseed that is subsidized by the government to make all the junk we find in our food. The nasty glyphosphates need to too. You go after the sucralose, which you only need a tiny amount of to make something sweet. I would rather risk what happens with a little bit of sucralose than as a diabetic eat lots of food made with rice, whole wheat, etc. because it is high in fiber. I think collagen feeds the gut as good as fiber. Not everyone does well on fiber. I have friends and family that eat a lot of fiber and they are sick and constipated all the time. Carnivores are eating land animals and dairy and eggs and are healing their bodies from autoimmune disorders. I think cutting any kind of sugars, fruit included and many vegetables can actually be healing. I do like allulose, but it isn't very sweet.

[@Ondrus21]

A lady just laughed at my face when I told her that virtually any disease, including neurodegenerative illnesses, can be prevented and often even reversed by appropriate dietary measures and fasting. She probably thought I was kidding her.

[@dahof2789]

Are you sure that's what she was laughing at?😂

[@candecarro]

Actually, Regarding Karo Syrup- when I was a kid (a big kid - I’m now 75) I used to LOVE LOVE Karo Syrup. I ate it out of the jar with a spoon! It was used to make Taffy and that’s how I learned that I liked it plain. This is a great presentation!

[@robyn3349]

My grandmother gave me Karo syrup on my pancakes. (67 here) We need to go further back to find what an unprocessed food is. Go way back.

[@nwobob]

re opening statement on ice cream. The Ninja Creamie as a device allows you to make sugar free, high protein ingredients into incredible confections with great mouth feel and taste and minimal fuss. Not all modern solutions are problematic.

[@LoisPallisterCIY]

I make a great strawberry ice cream with a punnet of strawberries, a few raw eggs and some melted butter with my Ninja Creami. It is delicious and it can be made with boiled eggs (Here in the UK raw eggs are not as risky as they are in the US). I don't do it often due to the fructose in the strawberries but occasionally in the summer months it is nice.

[@JeanMcCormack]

Yoyannas

[@PkSage89]

This is a fantastic and informative talk, thank you for it. Going to have to listen to it a few times in order for it to sink in.

[@marconuvoloni9090]

Great to see this pioneering effort to keep making money by doing the right thing . Health is wealth. This is the mantra for this endeavor.

[@elisabethgardner6321]

Look over the shoulder from Italian icemakers, Milk, heavy creme, pure vanilla or pure fruits, little sugar, thats it! I never understood why oils have to be here in Ice creme and many other unusual flavoring.

[@fitoverforty]

I like Lustig but I believe he is wrong on heating olive oil. This has been studied and although the smoke point is quiet low around 350° F, the high polyphenol content in true olive oil protects it from oxidation. Additionally, it helps inhibit the formation of HCA's developed during cooking, which are carcinogenic.

[@jessicajohnson4087]

Homemade ice cream! Whole milk, heavy cream, Monkfruit and vanilla 😋. Yummy

[@adorableadornments1101]

My daughter feeds her autistic daughter all the pop tarts, packaged sweet cakes, grilled cheese sandwiches on white fluffy bread a lot. The child is addicted to this type of food. My daughter does try to get her to try things and she is doing better, but I think there needs to be more education about food in the schools and it shouldn't be lead by the plant-based extremists because the healthiest most nutritious food people can eat is meat and seafood and all animal products. My daughter would rather her child is happy and the doctor she takes her to, put her child on respiradone to control her meltdowns and behavioral issues. It is sad, so very sad.

[@jackdelane]

This guy is talking about healthier corn flakes..... processed food should be a treat, a rare indulgence... processed will never beat whole foods, you'll get a lot more bang for your buck switching to whole vs. trying to find healthier processed.... healthier oreos is better than current oreos, but the secret to health is to eat oreos as few times as possible... I can get behind better cheat foods to a degree, but if you still have any plan that includes people eating like 60% of their diet as processed food, you're missing the plot.... maybe we can't feed the world with real food, a true tragedy if that's the case.... I think people as much as possible should try to cut out processed food entirely instead of playing these games of pick the healthiest posion....

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Yes, the regular dessert can be an apple and the cake for once a week or less. Or processed food that can be good for emergency food. Margarine was introduced in Sweden basically during the rationing around late 40s. Potatoes was introduced in Europe when misgrowth had caused starvation, and an energy rich food which was not as sensitive to drought compared to grain worked well in a society where the daily effort to live required substantial physical activity.

[@eugeniebreida1583]

Are we truly focussing on ways to “better industrialize” our food choices, rather than remind ourselves Nature is our best teacher??

[@gustavocabrera-mw4vl]

the solution to JUNK FOOD is the same as it was with John Taylor Gatto's solution to Institutionalized "education" ... empower families ... unleash freedom .... teach families the pleasure of baking your own bread, ice cream, desserts...etc... with their good ingredients ...

[@wafashehata6965]

This is awesome

[@sherryyarbrough2195]

Where can I find a food list from which are best and ok from those to avoid ...Dr Lustig ?

[@LevelsHealth]

More info here: www.levelshealth.com/blog/here-are-foods-unlikely-to-spike-your-blood-sugar

[@kommsofort6977]

Question: Does the sweet in Stevia leaf or xylitol trigger the brain to release insulin, as it does with aspartame, etc?

[@imdanbands3968]

yes, he said stevia has an insulin response to it

[@MichaelSalo]

This is not so clear. Most sources are saying it's not an issue. Dr Berg has some videos about this.

[@netto682]

👏👏👏👏🇧🇷excelente trabalho

[@grandmarkdc6298]

Love Lustig, he changed my life. As for Dr. Harlan, its hard to believe he seriously wants to somehow make processed food to his specifications--, but this time, process it a different way. Sort of like saying "aww the processed food boys or okay, give them another try. " Well fine, have them do so --see what happens, If anyone on earth should know better how devious the processed food folks are -- it's Dr. Lustig. He has been screaming this from the rooftop for years. So it's surprising he nods his head either mandating they process it better, or maybe start your own business doing so -- the "how to" of all this is vague, but may sound spiffy. It's rather silly, by the way to believe the very people who spent years and millions of dollars to screw up our food and tell everyone it's healthy -- are the people Dr. Harlan has this sweet valentine card, so to speak, for them I thought our food should NOT be processed any more than necessary, and should be chosen to avoid raising our uric acid, and avoid harming our liver and kidneys. On other videos, Dr Lustig wisely posited a VEGAN -- pescatarian -- diet is the way to go. He is careful how he says that -- because so many doctors seem to be smug and hateful against "vegans". But Lustig apparently learned the value of vegan //pescatarian approach. There are some very promising supplements which Dr. Perlmutter discusses to help the uric acid, which I am now using.

[@karenohanlon4183]

I think he is nodding in the knowledge that highly processed yuk still appeals to a lot of people and if it can be made less poisonous for those who indulge, well it's a bit like lab meat made in a petri dish to try and sell it to vegans, who oppose the use of animal's for food I dont care if the billionaire entrepreneurs give it the hard sell. I wont be eating either. Dr Lustig is a realist as well as an educator. He understands that people in poor socioeconomic backgrounds are going to eat what they can afford while bearing in mind the crisis in lack of affordable energy and time to prepare real nutritious foods.

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denuded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@scoobtoober2975]

If "Harlan and Lustig" food line was created to right the ship. The over-eating of the world would be cut down and we just might have enough food in 25 yeas. It'll take 30 years to correct back to 1800's type of eating.

[@stevenrevins]

13:11 "...apple juice, which is basically Coca Cola" wow

[@kathleenking47]

Almost, but close..coke has other chemicals

[@peter-bakestar]

New subscriber here. Look forward to watching your videos

[@scoobtoober2975]

Lets rip out the sugar beets and put some cows back on the fields. I'm sure this is a huge topic that needs to be explored. But fake meat is not the answer. If it takes more carbon/resources to make than real meat. Stigma of meat is big wall to take down too. I've talked with neighbors that were former vegans that have gone to vegetarian again for health reason. But i'm sure there are ways to do it but they didn't find the way for them. I'm semi-carni, love me some steak. Thank you guys for your hard work and chipping away at the problems in society. The world is definitely in a better place because of your work. I love to dose everything our kids eat with butter or lard. They are doing so much better than before our anti-butter lifestyle. And way less hungry than the constant eating of fat-free carb loaded foods.

[@Creative_soil]

What about the Bioengineered part? The sugar has been modified.

[@jovoorheescollinsmphbsnbch6245]

So happy to see you Dr. Lustig ❤ I would really like to talk to you about my diabetes patients. I have an audience of around 120K patients/ families. How can I reach you?

[@adorableadornments1101]

I am a type 2 diabetic and I would not eat the way Dr. Lustig suggests or my blood sugars would go sky high. I eat a very low carb, almost no carb diet and do not need the nasty diabetes meds, but I also have hypothyroidism, so losing weight is not easy and I am 69 years old and have been a carb addict my whole life. Most type 2 diabetics should go on a carnivore diet.

[@imdanbands3968]

if you find a way, I too need him. I am an NP (ex RD turned NP) and all I do is counsel my patients on improving metabolic health by REAL FOOD, not medications.

[@Storyraymond]

Question; What is the enzyme that is mentioned at around 30:48? Is that ATP synthase? Thanks for great sharing of important knowledge to 'ordinary' people:)

[@imdanbands3968]

ATP kinase

[@LoisPallisterCIY]

The apple isn't anything like a wild fruit at all. Neither are the wheat berries! We don't HAVE to eat them at all. Obviously the way I eat is different to the way Dr Harlan thinks we all eat.

[@huffhouseart3377]

Maybe one of the reasons the processed food industry isnt changing, is as you described in the beginning. The part about there's the possibility of the population being at 50 billion by 2050. so in turn it's away of keeping that # lower. Sad if true.

[@NC8663]

Allulose causes gastric distress in my body and some on whom I tried it. Betcha Sweeet is much better tolerated.

[@booswalia]

Is he saying that smoothies are not too processed?

[@edharding8372]

Wow, what can you say, this is so simple a fix. Thanks a billion you guys, so succinct and clearly stated.

[@franciscoadolfo5805]

Olive oil. Where are the studies supporting that olive oil goes trans fat when heated, especially under conditions found in home kitchens during single use frying, saute, etc?

[@michaelberman3648]

You all talk about the importance of omega-3s but you in general do not talk about the importance of having certain omega 6 fatty acids in our diet. Can you please elaborate on why we need around a 3 to 1 or 4 to 1 omega-6 to omega-3 ratio in much more detail.

[@chazwyman8951]

How about glycine sweetened chocolate icecream made with saturated milk fat?

[@albertschulz5575]

Sounds highly processed and not a good idea!!

[@bardwessel4663]

For God's sake, what about the taste of sweet itself, this claimed to be the last path to experience essence to leave us through life? Reduce one the intake of concentrated fructose, the ability to taste sweet is extended by a rate that may not even in any way be imagined by any sugar cups the likes of anything that I used to be. I kid you not: Strawberries with non-sweatened cream is to me now often experienced as too sweat for my liking. I could perhaps be too full up for enjoying desert after my intake of dinner, as now no doubt fat adopted, but still, the taste of sweat is not at all due only to the berries possibly being now much sweater then before, wich is eventually well in line with the presumption "the sweeter the better". Sadly enough, one may possibly not have included nutrition in general with the equations eventually being brought to actuality before even the berries themselves became too sweet for some's liking. Much love for the great work by you guys, anyway!

[@petersipos4728]

What you are discussing now is an issue that has been ongoing for 50 some years (bad, processed food diet). Now guess what! 15 years ago the UK/NZ/AUS took up diesel vehicles. London has already suffered -5yrs life expectancy. This is of extreme harm. SOME PODCASTERS WILL PROBABLY DISCUSS IT IN 2060!

[@proudchristian77]

Lord Jesus is still in play , 🎄💝👣👑💒 we're counting on Him ! Y people's R getting heavy , it's harder to resist if u r attached to something, like food our our health, stay skinny if u can , 💝 it won't hurt as much !

[@seanveach950]

I love this conversation in the context of what most people will be eating, but this ignores the apparent superb results of the carnivore community. I don't care if people like it or not, but the reality is giving up most or all carbs and eating at least mostly meat certainly is looking like a very healthy way to go and it flies in the face of needing fiber to any great degree. Whatever any literature says, people excelling with little or no fiber should at least beg questions and study. Certainly may find it isn't the best over a lifetime, but we are nowhere close to knowing that yet. I still cannot figure out how anyone comes to the conclusion that the body will make sugar just because we don't eat it. It sure looks like the body makes it to both serve our need for it and to limit it, for the very reasons that are talked about with what we add to the body in any way. Where in the world would we, throughout our evolution in the context of an ice age over the last couple million years, find natural sources of carbohydrate to enough of an extent to support any sized population of humans? Maybe I am missing something, but it makes little sense to me. I do agree that prepared food is pretty much necessary in modern society today, but that doesn't mean understanding what true basic nutrition actually is for humans would not help immensely in deciding how to do that. If that turns out to be mostly meat, then we should act accordingly. If not, fine, but why discount it completely when we simply do not know?

[@jackdelane]

I suppose the more carbs you eat, the more fiber will be needed to slow absorbtion... a mostly carnivore diet with maybe a little veggie mix in provides some fiber for gut bacteria while keeping quality protein and low insulin as top priority.... I will admit that if we stuck to a whole food carnivore leaning way of eating for our day to day life, and our cheat meals were the food they describe making we'd be better off. Like low sugar, high quality fat, emulsifier free ice cream wouldn't be near as detrimental than what we make currently.... the more we lean toward a healthy way of eating, the better off our whole society will be.... working in whole foods, spiking insulin less,or at least if insulin spikes, it's given a chance to fall back to baseline for a while will be massively beneficial...

[@seanveach950]

@@jackdelane I am all for whole foods, though carnivore myself with no reason so far to add anything back so far. Not opposed to doing so, just don't have a reason. I cannot find anything that concretely shows we need to eat fiber at all, though according to science we certainly have eaten at least some over evolution. Just an interesting question to me as some treat it like we know for sure we need fiber when we clearly do not know that for a fact. Carnivore, especially OMAD, works incredibly well for keeping insulin low and keeping one full and not looking to graze. I never have the incentive to cheat, which is quite a difference from when I was a carboholic. How healthy it is over a lifetime, who knows? We don't know for certain for any diet.

[@jackdelane]

@seanveach950 well said, sir... and it may be impossible to currently say what diet is optimal, but at least we've removed many diets from the running... little Debbie cakes and 9 servings of processed grain sure aren't on the list, lol... It sounds like you're doing very well yourself. Good luck going forward 👍

[@seanveach950]

@@jackdelane Too you as well. It is a good thing all together to at least get people thinking about it and these doctors are fantastic for that.

[@jamesallen4708]

Gut hydrogen production from plant fiber is the up and coming common denominator of longevity

[@grantw7946]

Dire Straits had it right decades ago when they wrote the song Industrial Disease.

[@susydyson1750]

make ur ice cream with avocado

[@dahof2789]

"Less land animal protein" - what a blatant bias! Stopped listening. Two smart guys that I agree with 80%. I wish YT had a thumb neutral option.

[@robyn3349]

Ultra-processed foods. Just say no. How far back in time do we need to go to find an unprocessed diet? Way back. Is this a discussion of filtered vs unfiltered cigs?

[@Youknowwhoin2024]

5:14 "Climate change gets WORSE!!!! What will this alarmist say next.....that the sugar of any candy delivered by the Easter Bunny is magically converted into fibre?

[@stacymontero6172]

"...as, you know, climate change gets worse..." I wish Rob would stick to what he knows and keep his political views to himself. I still listen and learn from him, though. He is spot-on about fructose.

[@jaynelally1153]

we don't need to find food that's comforting to us, that's the reason why we have a global obesity and disease crisis!

[@dol3980]

Great interview, but are these postulates adaptable to our new paradigms of 10 Billion (mostly hungry) folks, depleting oceans with hardly any cod or salmon left and farmland denusded of selenium, potash, phosphates, manures, etc. I grow my own veggies in the short growing season here in frigid Canada where we are paving over every/all decent growing acreage (i.e., Southern Ontario/Coastal BC) for homes, malls, car lots, etc. but one needs a lot of space, water, and time to get the real food that my ancestors ate and avoided fatty liver, fatigue issues, etc., etc. I like Rob's bread analysis but seriously Rob do U think your daughter is going ot make a loaf of bread every 2 days for her sandwich or opt for the one that lasts 2 weeks in her fridge. You are wise folks but ideologues but well worth my time to listen to your so-called utopian vision of food of the 50s era...

[@danburlaqu9056]

The literature shows that the great apes don't get cancer. What about getting the great apes, zoo setting, on a ultraprocessed diet. If this is unethical then WTF