Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru EP7 BGM - 7-weights

[@bananacrunch90]

"Who is this person? I'll negotiate with them." "You cannot... NEGOTIATE. It iS the oNE who orDERS US."... "Call Kanon over here. .....I hate theatergoing as much as I hate torture. Call Kanon. I want to check something with you two." "I... C A N N O T CALL HIM. DO YOU S TI L L ...WANT ME TO.......?"

[@BakedBanana]

oh?

[@kebab1960]

" ."

[@yellowrain3747]

@@BakedBanana hoh....

[@PataHikari]

"I tend to view the thematic concerns of the story as something I can easily throw away" Wow. This is... this is amazing. In other words, you're throwing out the heart of the story. Good job. You missed literally half the point of the series. Will would be ashamed.

[@TehChibiMage]

A "person" is not in all matters a "human". You can kill a "person" without producing a "corpse".

[@Blackrunestol]

Will: "Bring Kanon over here at once!!" Me: "I like this guy. He did his research. xD"

[@PataHikari]

Explain how Kanon got Battler out of the closed room in Episode 6. Explain how Kanon died in Jessica's room in Episode 2 yet his corpse wasn't. Explain how whenever Shannon dies, Kanon vanishes as well. Explain who killed Dr. Nanjo in Episode 3 even though everyone else was dead or confirmed to have not done it. And of course, explain why an entire episode dedicated to revealing Beatrice's heart is apparently all lies.

[@Maebbie]

Magic

[@TySamma]

"You cannot...NEGOTIATE. It iS the oNE who orDERS US."

[@PataHikari]

"Nobody gives a shit about Shannon/Kanon's ridiculous story of love that is only extremely emphasized in the second-last episode." In other words, you don't care about the actual story of Umineko. Good jod. Guess what Umineko character you're most like? Erika. She also didn't care about the actual story, she only wanted an "answer" and she happily ignored anything she didn't like, made up an answer, and stuck with it until she was proven wrong.

[@Rorotte]

Red Truth : No human called Richter Belmont appeared in this story.

[@GintaxAlvissforever]

The truth of an event changes from person to person and that there can be no real truth since it varies so much. This point is reinforced time and time again. But in the end, what is it that Ryukishi wants to tell the readers? What he wants is to show us is that when we have to look at everything from all perspectives. This is even reinforced with Kyrie's chessboard thinking where she looks at a problem not only from her point of view but also the culprits.

[@alyssbernkastel3224]

Shannon was pretty creepy here ._.

[@wilhelmu]

Ignoring the shitstorm in comments below me, that was one creepy scene.

[@IdeegreenTheMagician]

Maybe if you're a teenager

[@wilhelmu]

@@IdeegreenTheMagician what a coincidence, 8 years ago I was 19

[@unknownbamshablam7809]

Shannon was pretty cool fr here, tho Ig the one commanding her was Bernskastel, since she did something similar with Maria later on

[@TewiInabaChan]

Will is the definition of badass. just like Travis Touchdown

[@ShaunCloudSwain]

Think about it, in Episode 2, Shannon and Kanon spent alot of time walking to the special VIP room between appearances to the family, never together around others besides the servants (minus Gohda, with the exception of Episode 2 and 4 where it's possible that he was threatened to go along with everything) Also Bernkastel's tiny game in EP8 was still a game and followed the base for all other games, just simplified. When Shannon dies, (honestly) Kanon is considered dead.

[@KHISAWSOME]

I feel the same. To tell the truth I probably will go through all my life coming up with possibilities without knowing if they're right or not but that's the fun in it! The game that was created was perfect! I feel like I would want to create one like that (a story of course not actually killing people :) )

[@vihannes3]

I just realised what the "7 weights" refer to... I feel dumb

[@Zethanist]

You can easily dismiss them being there because Shannon is POINTED OUT to be quiet. The Rosa culprit theory has lots of assumptions, so just to protect Shkannon... Why don't we assume Erika was too busy focusing on Natsuhi? As I said before, Shannon the entire time is said to be quiet. It even states in the narration that "Shannon says nothing." Something of the sort.

[@asterthebastard]

[MAJOR SPOILERS HERE @ NEW FOLKS, though that's kind of a moot point in this comment section by now...] Shannon stays quiet the entire time, if I remember correctly. Also, the EP 8 manga explains that Erika mistakenly assumed Kanon and Shannon both existed because at one point the narrative said "everyone in the mansion is in the parlor". That narration included both Shannon and Kanon, so Erika thought they both existed there. What she neglected to notice was that the narration was from Battler's point of view, and that Battler was not an objective piece in that arc (I'm assuming we're talking about EP 5). This, combined with the fact that Shannon and Kanon had perfect alibis for never being together, convinced Erika that they were actually two separate people with two bodies. So she carried out all of her detective work based on that pretense.

[@InfinityZ808]

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[@BakedBanana]

oh.

[@yellowrain3747]

@@BakedBanana hoh....?

[@GentlemanAeon777]

I personally believe that except for the part where they're physically the same. You know how there was a philosophy that males have an anima and females have an animus (In other words, Inner Female/Male) I believe that Yasu is indeed a female, and Kanon, not only her Manifestation of self hatred/not deserving to be loved, is also her animus, making him male. And since when it is stated when Shannon dies, so does Kanon, I believe that Shannon is closest to the original.

[@AnduinX]

2:15 - best part, so groovy

[@jdthunder]

Scariest scene in Umineko. Ever. And I haven't even read it in English yet.

[@alaras]

Look, I'm following a pattern similar to yours, but even I know that motive matters in a mystery. WHY is always key to understanding the heart of the story.

[@PataHikari]

Why should I? The idea that there was a "single truth" wasn't even introduced until Episode 6. And by then there were no mysteries being presented, only answers. In the end, what "really happened" DOES NOT MATTER. If it had mattered, then it would have been shown.

[@valini6652]

gReaT SoundTRack .

[@kharkarus]

I love this.

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

The biggest and reddest herring in the series

[@pura1998]

My computer blue screaned right at this part I was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---

[@GintaxAlvissforever]

But at the same time what he also seems to say is that you can go with any view as long as you think about it and therefore creates your own truth. This is probably the reason for Ryukishi's rather nasty Take That in Ep 8. He did that because those people who demanded the truth didn't understand it. They only wanted to be told which would mean hearing one person's truth instead of creating their own, the opposite of what he wanted to tell us.

[@TheWestgardener]

And finally, thank you for keeping it civil. :)

[@narutardkyuubi]

@cronnoponno Err, my interpretation of Episode 2 (the one with the fake kanon, i think that's the one you mean) is Yasu has one body, but two+ personalities. The fake Kanon was just Beato playing with Battler's head. Furthermore, Will points out that the cousins' have two sets of memories. The Lion-World and Yasu-World memories. Jessica was mentioning something Yasu-World when she's supposed to be Lion-World. Maria does the same thing. They switch when Will asks about Beatrice.

[@matsuoakatsu]

1)From the human side, how can you trust Maria, since Beatrice exist and does magic? And i don't remember her telling this, but to see them together doesn't necessarily include "in different bodies". 2)Having different servants at different days makes it more difficult, given also the size of the place, for someone to actually see two servants together. 3)The way servants are paid isn't explained, if i remember, and why would Natsuhi and Krauss know this secret? If they did, all would mess up

[@AlexiaCarcera]

@llRambardll See, normally I would QQ about spoilers since I scrolled down to comments not expecting them, but I'm glad you confirmed that, thanks lol, I did not want Yasu to be Shannon >:.

[@GentlemanAeon777]

Really people. Bombarding the comments section with an argument over the truth. Please, this video was made to enjoy music. Not to argue over what happened. It's a catbox. Anything said can be seen as true and no arguments can dissuade it unless the box was opened. Now please, everyone who argued, leave that for tea parties and enjoy the music. PS: If you make an account, you can use youtube. The only things restricted are porn/shocking things and what is age restricted. You hold no power here.

[@GintaxAlvissforever]

There are 16 people. I read online that they keep insisting 17 people but since the whole game is a chess metaphor. There are 16 chess pieces therefore there are 16 people even if it's stated in red. The chess metaphor is used multiple times. I can't recall if Natsuhi is in charge of the key or if it was Genji. If Genji is in charged of giving the keys to the servants, then it's possible for Yasu to have two keys under the two personalities... Except that's contradicting. -_-

[@Tohluse]

@cronnoponno Oooh thats a clever way to look at it. I forgot about the loyalty to Yasu a majority of the servants have.

[@Tohluse]

@cronnoponno I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the fuck she managed to pull that one off. The second Beatrice revealed that red text, I felt my brain die.

[@ol1ezjka128]

can you make a guide how properly install LunarCore plz

[@KirroSoya]

@serverwolf Yeah, Lion is the child from 19 years ago who DIDN'T fall off a cliff. Aka happyend Yasu.

[@lohyav]

@dragonladyforever You are right, it is slightly more complicated in fact, like Shannon, who exists but is ALSO an imaginary friend of Yasu (that's when Shkannon become hard to defend) and so, a part of him. And yes, Yasu is really Kinzo's grandson. The funny part is that Kinzo isn't even aware of it until Yasu solve the epitaph and become Beatrice. Well, this episode is a complete mess anyway, a lot of brain will fry when the english patch will come out. I swear it.

[@alaras]

The only rules which have been verified to apply to Umineko are a MODIFIED version of Knox's Decalogue, and the SPECIFIC Van Dine's Commandments WHICH HAVE BEEN DECLARED IN RED IN THE COURSE OF THE EIGHT GAMES. Any Commandment issued by Van Dine which was NOT declared in Red does NOT apply, and if you look at most orthodox mysteries, they completely ignore Van Dine because he was a twat.

[@olegv11]

@Nutttttter Its 4 or 5 actually (Clair, but she's "Beatrice" so she doesnt count, and Gaap).

[@gor5179]

1:51

[@moonnightprincess]

Omg....Shanon's eye.....scary!!!

[@KirroSoya]

EP7 seems like a mixed kakera to me, so it's perfectly plausible for Lion(aka Happyend Yasu) and Shkanon (bad end Yasu) to exist at the same time, but not Shannon and Kanon.

[@IdeegreenTheMagician]

shkanon? dont you mean erikantrice?

[@alaras]

Blue truth: "It is declared in the second game that the red truth is hcreated by Beatrice. Therefore, it only exists where her rules apply. Magic does not exist in the 'real world' of humans, and therefore, neither can the red truth. In the 'world of 1998', Ikuko uses a red truth. THEREFORE, THAT WORLD CANNOT BE THE ACTUAL WORLD BEYOND THE ROKKENJIMA CATBOX!"

[@impazeldalinkin]

omg shannon plz tell me that you are not kanon PLZ T.T aslo OWO cool bgm

[@BakedBanana]

oh?

[@impazeldalinkin]

@@BakedBanana aged like milk

[@BakedBanana]

(@@impazeldalinkin) Yep.

[@matsuoakatsu]

Well then. My little gray cells are itching to get started. Can you explain me the scene appearing in this video, the one in which Wright asked Shannon to call Kanon because he wanted to talk to both of them, and she "Are yOu ReaLly SurE You wAnT mE To caLl hIm?" And the only one who actually saw Shannon and Kanon "together" was Genji, the one who grew Yasu, so since he kept her secret about her origins, why wouldn't he keep also the one about his triple personality?

[@lohyav]

@Nutttttter If we believe Bern, it was also the case in the main game. That's why it doesn't make ANY sense and there is really a problem somewhere. Well, I doesn't believe bern when she says that "it is the reality", for various reasons, but a bit long to list.

[@idk502023]

@digitalpiggy193 I would argue that by saying that shannon is in love with battler but it turns out shes the exact opposite of what he wants, aka no honkers and brown hair. The only way for her to be loved by Battler when he came back was to take on the role of the blonde and bouncy bombs person.

[@PataHikari]

Except Rosa was with Battler the entire time between the Jessica leaving and them discovering her body.

[@edl01reviews]

@TheLOLAcademy136 just to put it more simply in the tea party of episode 7 (spoiler warning) after Kyrei shot Beatrice Shannon and Kanon never appear at all which is odd since we see every other character which is odd since we know every other servants fate (except Ghoda and Kuwmasawa but we see in the 4th game they are locked in the toolshed) hinting the three are the same person.

[@latiaos11]

Will: A shit not again *hits Shannon with a wrench*

[@Kiriain]

If all else fails, please make sure MAID is plugged into the wall and charging.

[@littlegal2007]

@philosophia85 concidering EP8 is the last episode. Lambda doesn't have a second go in being the GM

[@YamiAura]

@impazeldalinkin there's no "too" about it. I don't know how you can blame Yasu for the lack of a happy ending; she's not responsible for that.

[@TheRedfieldWay]

@tdlo123 ohhhhhhhhhhh of corse!!!!!!!!! it makes so much sense tho since im only about halfway i didnt think theyd be considered the same ppl already

[@tdlo123]

@Hanyuuuuuuu I guess because... -spoilerrrr- Kanon and Shannon are the same person. Will asked her to call Kanon so that he can talk to them at the same time. so she error'd or something.

[@willardhwright]

@meirus Not at all, sorry, sharing one body does not mean that it is a DID.Quite the opposite in fact. and ep7 clearly presented it as "yasu and its imaginary friends" with easy interactions between the ""personalies"", etc.Things that would never happen if it was a real DID. That's why it has to be something else,or at most Yasu playacting (yeah it sounds stupid, I know.) (Also, ep7 skip almost everything about Kanon, but even if I assume that Shkannon is true, it is still the same thing).

[@Impognagrift]

Van Dine 12 . There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.

[@juegawomandownunder]

[@MrBernkastel2]

@dragonladyforever i expected that from a crazy ass like kinzo but this whole yasu,shannon,kannon thing is a serious mind fuck and thx for the info

[@lohyav]

@dragonladyforever The next one... Who knows... Maybe Bern, because according to the end, she have never been the GM until now and will start now. Again, it's very different from my own interpretation, but the text itself says this. Although there is a possibility of this being the case. It would allow the fact that she will lose to her pieces during the game, and go with the theme of "you must not play with human's fate?"...

[@Spartanz1170]

Looking back I think Shannon is running vista or something maybe thats why she blues screened

[@TheRedfieldWay]

never did get why shannon went all thecnical difficulty mode in this scene,

[@KHISAWSOME]

I forgot about the ten and twenty stakes!...feel like an idiot now...

[@YamiAura]

S-Shannon...? What are you....um...?

[@KirroSoya]

@BernkastelSan But the NEW HEAD OF THE FAMILY sure can be! :D

[@willardhwright]

@willardhwright And no, it is not "so easy" and "it only caused a contradiction". This work if you do a LOT of assumptions and assume that they are absolute. And about things we don't know anything about. Otherwise, no, it is not so clear. Of course if you don't care about the annoying parts, just assume that some things are the truth, period, and don't care about the alternatives, yeah, it is a clear and obvious answer, period. But if you want to look at it SERIOUSLY, it's not that easy.

[@alaras]

Actually, I would dare suggest the following: Eva never killed anyone, but the belief that she MIGHT have was used to construct one of the Games. I still insist that the main culprit was Rosa, with George as secondary culprit and Nanjo as accomplice. To distinguish, the culprits kill, the accomplices DO NOT.

[@EphidelDarkheart]

@AmberReid112 Kanon is also the closest personality to the "true" Yasu, though.

[@marblejester]

Click 'show the comment' for an epic adventure! :D

[@Ramsey276one]

Whoo! Glad I was ready for it...

[@BakedBanana]

I forgot how spammy old KZbin was since you couldn't exactly reply back then.

[@willardhwright]

@llRambardll But then, Will didn't had the detective autority or whatever in this game, so this BSOD is even more complicated... Not to mention what Shannon is saying, which make no sense if it is a DID (hint: it isn't)

[@matsuoakatsu]

Is this rule applied to to bernkastel-s last game? Because i-m trying to solve it, and it says nowhere if there really is only 1 culprit or more, and if people can actually help him

[@Yamiyokun]

i had to pause this video. the more i stared at shanon the more it looked like she was moving slightly on her own. something about those black eyes....

[@lolquendo5]

ladies, you're both pretty , please shut up now

[@matsuoakatsu]

"Shannon and Kanon are just furniture. Why worry about their personal life"; that's what all adult members of the Ushiromya family would think. And as i said before, actually there are very few times in which Shannon and Kanon are together. Most of the times there is only one, or even none of them, so no problem in acting 2 different people. That's how it is, so take this! /blue/ Natsuhi and Krauss couldn't know Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice's secret because of everything i said before!/blue/

[@alaras]

It is NOT applied to ANY of the games. Van Dine's 12th was never declared in Red.

[@impazeldalinkin]

@YamiAura -_- well. i was joking.... i really dont blame anyone for the lack of a happy ending... sorry if i was rude

[@MrBernkastel2]

@Nutttttter more like blue screen of death lolz

[@pokeplat]

Umineko - Complex Mysteries, Elegant Witches, Evil Demons, and Robo- Maids.

[@latiaos11]

To be honest i think, this was the most confusing EP :( Why did i read it! :( I mean, Will told me ''Dont think about it, you'll just get a headache'' HELL YEAH I GOT IT >:[

[@EphidelDarkheart]

@AmberReid112 Well, that further confirms it, I think. I was just trying to say that the true Yasu is male.

[@TheWestgardener]

People - a word describing a group of people. Is it defined in Umineko? Yes it is. In red: [not red:] [Can I accept 'three people' to mean to the number of bodies? You're saying that three bodies went in or out of the room, right?] Red: Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out. Now we have to find a red statement where the number of names equals the number of people: 6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead! (continued)

[@MrBernkastel2]

@dragonladyforever who 's yasu

[@Spartanz1170]

@Nutttttter Sorry George but you fell in love with a robot

[@TewiInabaChan]

@narutardkyuubi more than two personalities my friend

[@GintaxAlvissforever]

But Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice are part of the family. S/he is the grandchild of Kinzo from incest and they were given the inheritance after solving the epitaph. This makes them the real head of the family and family > servant This allows you to by pass this red text given the context of "servant".

[@Spartanz1170]

@Nutttttter thats what you get for running three os systems on a single computer xD

[@GintaxAlvissforever]

But it doesn't matter because the point of the series is to choose the culprit on your own finding evidence that you like and then say they're the culprit without denying the possibility of everyone else being the culprit. Even if Shannon/Kanon has many contradictions, it doesn't matter. That's the culprit I'm choosing because I appreciate them. Choosing them does not make you a dumbass who can't think on their own. Thinking like this is an elitist personality.

[@BureauofBadBehavior]

The responsibilities of the GM now belongs to Lambdadelta in Ep8. But seriously, what was the purpose of AuAu? And what's with the "blue screen" everyone's talking about?

[@goldenwitch]

This scene just SCREAMED Shkanon.

[@ShaunCloudSwain]

WHICH ONE IS THE TRA- Oh wait... no nevermind, wrong person.

[@Tohluse]

Discussion = spoiler time, just warning you. I'm trying to figure out this Shkannontrice theory and how it would apply to the previous games. There are moments in which Kannon and Shannon are standing next to each other and would talk to someone, usually Genji. It even happened in ep 7 when Genji was talking about the epitaph to Shannon and Kannon. Does this mean that the servants recognize Shannon and Kannon as two personalities? Anyone else care to explain this theory better?

[@impazeldalinkin]

@YamiAura yeah her too -_-

[@TheWestgardener]

And finally, there's an entire episode dedicated to showing Beatrice's Heart because it is a red herring. Any more questions, silly pawn?

[@idk502023]

@digitalpiggy193 or just pettan

[@ShaunCloudSwain]

@edl01reviews My thoughts exactly.

[@YamiAura]

@impazeldalinkin Not exactly an appropriate joke, consider the series moral about love and such.

[@willardhwright]

@meirus No red truth saying it directly,but it is the same for your statement as well,so this answer is kind of stupid. Besides, the red is completely overrated. Anyone who have read 6-7-8 should know this. And no, it's not a DID.It can be a strange case of " Yasu's imaginary friends", but not a DID. Seriously,people should stop using words when they don't understand what it means. (By the way, just in case, ep7 is also completely solvable without Shkannon, but that's another problem.)

[@KirroSoya]

I cAnnOT call hIM. DO yOU reaLLy wANt me TOO?

[@willardhwright]

@meirus It is NOT DID. Even if it is Shkannon, it cannot be DID, ep7 is all about this. Replacement? Absolutely not. Better? No.It doesn't show the truth to begin with. And it is not "better". It is "more interresting" for Bernkastel and Auau. Now what's interresting for witches? Remember ep5? We still don't know what it is, and if it was " just a replacement" it wouldn't be better than "the boring detective authority". The only sure thing is that is is linked to theater, somehow. Also, Knox 9.

[@alaras]

In addition to my previous statement, you need AT LEAST two CULPRITS in order for the first Three Games to work. The killings cannot transpire without TWO SEPARATE BODIES committing the murders.