Uncovering Tariff Myths: The Hidden Cost on American Firms | David Pakman DSH

[@JusticeForAll_4All]

I think this is one of the most important interviews that all maga should watch. David does a great job of breaking down common maga myths in a way that I think maga will understand. In addition, the interviewer, though ignorant of a lot of those issues, did not cut off or get angry like most maga do, thus, creating a chance for David to speak and present the facts. I hope all maga watches this.

[@ricardoconqueso]

You can debunk and even counter-prove everything MAGA says, and they will still vote for Trump because it's all about vibes with them.

[@JusticeForAll_4All]

@@ricardoconqueso yup! it's the "stick it to the libs" mentality for maga where that is more important than facts. what I noticed is that, if a lie gets a democrat or liberal frustrated, then they will stick to that lie because, for maga, the end goal is about getting us frustrated rather then to agree to the truth. because they'd rather have the world freeze over than to agree with a dem or lib.

[@dlamiuitm23]

@@ricardoconqueso you spelled cult wrong

[@themartialartsapproach8786]

One good quote I recently heard might save a lot of frustration and confusion in life - "Conservatives have no principles, and Liberals have no spine."

[@aSSGoblin1488]

"sure trump is wrong about tarriff but what about haitian eating pets? what about satanic democrats drinking childrens blood? what about obomna birth certificate? what about j6?" its a gish gallup content

[@julianrainwater5776]

I have to say, a lot of people are really going hard on Sean Kelly here. As uninformed as he is, hes incredibly receptive, nondefensive, and open to listening to new information and ideas, and i highly respect that. Its okay to be ignorant, so long as arrogance doesnt stop you from learning.

[@phanatic215]

He doesn't get combative, and admits when he is ignorant. I can respect that. There are way to many people that double down, get angry, or whatabout to another topic.

[@brandonden795]

This is take away, how often is there ever a person who believes all the common Republican lies be actually interested and considering the other side. I don't mean that as a platitude where you should always listen to the other side, Republicans are insane right now, you should be sympathetic to facts and Sean clearly is.

[@DynamiteProd]

I would agree with you if he changed his views but I doubt he will so he’s not receptive he has his fans. He ain’t gonna change that.

[@sweetd097]

exactly!!

[@mistym0rning]

It’s great that he’s receptive and will perhaps even reconsider some of his uninformed views. The issue is that the guy is the HOST of a podcast with a large audience so presumably he contributes a lot to spreading wrong information since he himself doesn’t know / understand a ton of stuff. Imho he should educate and inform himself BEFORE going on air and speaking on issues to a large audience. But alas.

[@byronadu9579]

Pakman guy here. I really appreciate Sean's ability to listen and be open to some of the things David raised. We need more of these interactions!

[@marcydrake9159]

It was a really enjoyable discussion because it was open, honest and respectful. We need more political discussion like this. Sean made the difference because he came in with an open mind. I’m here because I watch Pakman, and I came away liking Sean. Now, if he’ll register to vote, and then vote for the most qualified candidate I’ll subscribe.

[@nomadsouldrmr]

Yes, I also appreciate Seans receptive qualities ... but I'm not sure if he understands who eventually pays for the increased / inflated cost imposed by the tariff... eventually its not the American Firm, its the American public; the title should reflect this fact ... Uncovering Tariff Myths: The Hidden Cost on ... the American Consumer

[@MapleTreeatdawn]

@@nomadsouldrmrCrazy the lack of understanding. According to a white paper I read, Trumps tariff plan will bring in $1.2T over ten years. The paper indicated this was approximately 8% of the total revenues over a ten year period. The paper explained that revenues would be offset by reduced imports due to retaliatory tariffs and reduced consumer spending.

[@patriciagiannattasio9180]

@@marcydrake9159 He did say he will not vote Democrat.

[@marcydrake9159]

@@patriciagiannattasio9180 I heard him say that, but I’m holding out hope that he’ll come around.

[@casey8836]

This was an enlightening episode. Made me rethink a lot of my opinions. Will have to check out his channel.

[@BenThere_DoneThat]

Please do! David is wonderful.

[@tsluiter4]

As a trichome grower, I can recommend David. Don't agree with him on everything, but he makes sound arguments. And that matters.

[@ruthlewis5311]

Thank you for keeping your mind open to possible change.

[@fvr12345]

Thanks for being open minded! We can all go down the rabbit hole with algorithms feeding the most negative content. This was a great conversation, very straight forward, and filled with facts that we can simply fact check to confirm that they’re correct.

[@ricardoconqueso]

David is great at being non-sensationalist, stoic, and predominantly fact-based. He never wings it, like a TimPool often does. He is well prepared. He has degrees in Economics and Finance. He's not an all-knowing wizard, but he has a lot of the facts together

[@ryanhenke2469]

I watched the interview on David’s channel. I just wanted to take a second to give Sean some serious credit. That discussion was incredibly interesting. Sean was truly interested in the issues, asked pertinent questions, was willing to listen, both parties remained civil, and he was willing to accept his echo chamber may not be giving him all the information. This was a wonderful example of how political discourse and debate can and should be happening. Sean, thank you for be willing to listen to facts. Thank you for be willing to have on an opposing view point and share it with your audience. Best of luck.

[@picturedetroit]

Same ~ saw it on David’s channel (which I had never watched before) and found the whole discourse so refreshing from the lies, exaggeration, and mis-information that has become the norm on both sides. I was so impressed with this discourse, had to come here to say “thank you” and applaud a civil discourse that shared a lot of pertinent info as to what has happened and is happening in our country.

[@teresaamanfu7408]

Only time will tell if he’s truly seeking knowledge or “just asking questions”.

[@jenkem4464]

@@picturedetroit "....and mis-information that has become the norm on both sides" Yeah...don't both sides this. We know which side is holding the biggest bag of dirty tricks here.

[@jenkem4464]

@@teresaamanfu7408 Indeed. I've had conversations with people like this as well. Good natured...informing them along with their gracious nodding and passive agreement. Sometimes it's legit, but the majority of the time it's them just hiding their ignorance in order to not feel overwhelmingly stupid in the face of obviously more knowledgeable people. He'll go right back to the echo chamber, you'll see. That being said, it is mildly refreshing to see...even if quite late in the game to start seeing it.

[@MRSSAXON]

You are right both siding was not appropriate ​@@jenkem4464

[@julieanderson100]

I came here to encourage Sean Kelly and to express my appreciation for his curiosity, humility, and willingness to listen and expand his knowledge. Keep asking questions - the only stupid question is the unasked one!

[@EnnoMaffen]

Why is the moon flat?

[@marcydrake9159]

@@EnnoMaffenbecause you have strabismus

[@marcydrake9159]

Absolutely correct Julie! If you aren’t sure about something it’s ok to say so and ask questions or do some research. That’s what smart people do. 👍

[@julieanderson100]

@@EnnoMaffen Ha!

[@Jessica-kk1cz]

Ditto. Thank you to Sean. Conversation is important.

[@Rakschas666]

Massive respect for leaving in the stuff where you admitted to just not knowing. That is not something every showhost does.

[@patriciarobison2916]

Hard agree. Good luck !

[@somkit9102]

Sean didn't seem to know about anything.

[@Atillathepun]

​@@somkit9102more important is that he was willing to listen. Every single one of us is ignorant in one way or another.

[@somkit9102]

@@Atillathepun Yeah, but imagine having over a million subscribers listening to someone who doesn't know anything. That's the weird part.

[@Atillathepun]

@@somkit9102 everyonr has gotta start somewhere. As Socrates said “If I am wise it is because I know how little I know”

[@pvthfindxr]

this guy does a great job of explaining all this stuff in a very understandable and non condescending way.

[@marcydrake9159]

Pakman is very smart and has good intentions. His show is very informative.

[@dilmeral]

Pakman is a modest but very knowledgeable man I recommend you to follow him too

[@Arsenogenics]

It’s shocking that he has to, considering this guy has over a million followers and has no idea how to research basic facts.

[@SlamBeegad]

@@Arsenogenics Don't be silly. He KNOWS how, he just chooses not to research. Adin Ross is the same (made a vid about it) he's voting for Trump because he wrongly thinks Biden was responsible for scraping Roe v Wade EVEN though Trump's been SAYING HE did IT & Adin interviewed HIM & still has NO clue! LMAO some people are truly wilfully ignorant.

[@AZ_HikerBiker]

@@Arsenogenics 100% The scenario: Sean has David on his show. and claims to have watched some of his videos, yet he did almost NO research on who David has 'debated with' or simply had as a guest on his show. Frankly I'm glad Sean isn't registered to vote (Sean: "I don't know if I'm registered... I was in the hospital once, is that how it's done" - paraphrased) as I doubt he has a clue how to research the candidates in a factual way. Due to his age I guess we can let go of Sean not having any clue about DJT throwing paper towels to Puerto Ricans after that hurricane, not having a clue of DJR's remapping the hurricane path with a Sharpie, but come on, DO AT LEAST SOME RESEARCH into DJT's claims/lies. When folks mention "Sean made the difference because he came in with an open mind" it reminds me of the empty mind of a three-year-old, asking why over and over again yet not truly comprehending There are FAR too many podcasters similar to Sean... they have plenty of thoughts and ideas yet little actual knowledge to provide real value. The one takeaway I'd ask of Sean, is to LEARN how elections work, how to register to vote, how to vet candidates, what are their views, have they been truthful, do they CARE about their constituents, etc.? Since you have this podcast, how about 'getting the facts' about elections then educate other young folks to do the same.

[@bobjones1608]

After much consideration and research following this interview, he changed my mind. Good interview. Thanks for posting it.

[@joyontheleft]

Hey Bob, I love seeing people consider the information available to them and be open to changing their opinions. Out of curiosity what was the biggest opinion on policy that was impacted by your research?

[@bobjones1608]

@@joyontheleft I think it is far too easy to pick a side and reflexively defend it, closing our minds to the reality of the current state of affairs, and not taking time to objectively consider the arguements on both sides. Independent thought is an amazing thing. Stepping back to form ones own opinion. I've realized that there are far to many lies, far too much negativity, misogyny, criminality, racism and hatred. This will tear the country apart. How can such a great and prosperous country be verging on civil war. Again. This has become a cancerous scourge. Time to move forward, turn the page, bring the country together. While there still is one. Policy issues can be debated respectfully after November 5th. Honest and reflective conservatives everywhere will choose country over party. What was I thinking? I wasn't!

[@Amouroso]

That tariff clip from this went insanely viral. Excited to see the rest

[@chrishansen2100]

Where did it go viral?

[@BizarreIoveTriangle]

@@chrishansen2100 Twitter, TikTak, 9Gag, MySpace, Google+, my local Elks Lodge, etc

[@zStC1]

​@@chrishansen2100 everywhere? I've seen it on youtube shorts like 1 hour ago and was looking for where it came from? It's gone viral.

[@DD-yz6db]

@@chrishansen2100 I saw it on TikTok, that is what led me to this video.

[@Xcris_crosX]

@@chrishansen2100 On the internet

[@taylorlamb2649]

I like that David encourages Sean to go and research what David is claiming rather than just taking the talking point as fact. I think David saw that Sean is easily swayed into believing a claim w/o his own research. Seemed like he really wanted Sean to actually absorb the facts and KNOW them for himself.

[@curseyoujordanshow]

Exactly. It's the same reason why it's frustrating having conversations with science deniers, because they want to portray science as some kind of cult that people accept blindly, and it's just like, no no no, that's the *beauty* of science: _you don't have to take my word for it; you can verify all of this yourself independently._

[@dzzope]

Would love to see him do a followup with a proper fact check.. of every interview.

[@juliewilliams2674]

I came here after watching this interview on David’s channel. I hope Sean and his viewers will use this information to do more research and become better informed. It is very scary how social media algorithms have changed our country by making people so lopsided on how and what news sources we use to become informed citizens. I applaud Sean for listening and hope he becomes a regular Packman viewer.

[@leonnaffin]

100000 %

[@nailsmama]

Same here. I am now checking out Sean's channel bc of seeing this interview on David's channel. It really struck me that Sean had not considered his algorithm when believing that most people were trump supporters. David did a great job informing him of the facts and encouraging him to do more research. Also it's funny that Sean calls himself a trump supporter but has never voted and isn't even registered 🤔. Here's hoping that he continues to seek out information outside his echo chamber.

[@k20z17]

Great discussion. it really shows how a good amount of people will be voting on "vibes" instead of truly understanding the political landscape.

[@Rakstawr]

@@k20z17 if they vote at all

[@eponymousIme]

Voting on vibes and bumper-sticker battle cries.

[@soul2soul399]

You summed it up perfectly. Too many people voting on vibes.

[@oopydoopie]

And memes sadly

[@randomname_tqrk]

I don't watch either of these guys so I'm not sure why this video was recommended to me, but I'm glad I watched it. This has to be the best political conversation I've seen in a very long time. Thank you both for being respectful of each other, for keeping an open mind and sticking to the facts.

[@Tortilla.Reform]

Pakman has great content, watch some of his debates

[@CMA418]

It’s better than most, but the bar is very low these days. 😭

[@abigailaldrich9639]

Its no Bill Maher lol

[@garrettbowman7213]

David is very fair and that’s what I appreciate about him, he sticks to the truth and doesn’t sugar coat anything. He is an immigrant from Argentina and knows far more about US politics than most Americans.

[@mc-designhacker]

This is the best interview with David I've ever seen. They both allowed each other to speak without talking over one another. Stay curious, Sean!

[@AaronWagner7000]

I really appreciate Sean's openness. He's much better than other hosts in that regard.

[@louieboyd2791]

I agree, but there's also a certain amount of lack of self-awareness about his platform and responsibilities, it's clear he's heavily exposed to right-wing algorithms and other than this conversation there wouldn't seem to be much in the way investigating.

[@RaviSodha]

He might be open but he should really learn how to Google things instead of starting a podcast and asking a guest to tell him basic facts

[@No_Camping]

He is open, but his abysmally lack of general knowledge and understanding is mind-boggling...

[@RCunderscore]

I have no idea who Sean Kelly is, I'm here as a watcher of David Pakman. I found myself irritated at first at the interviewer's pretty clear lack of understanding of a lot of these issues simply because I assumed he was a political content creator, but I appreciate him being receptive and admitting to being new to the space while being interested in learning more. It does go to illustrate though how uninformed people truly are. It felt like 80% of this interview was just David stating simple, important, clear political facts and Sean saying "really? I didn't know that". There would almost certainly be far fewer Trump supporters if people simply had all of the information to make their decision with. It's a shame.

[@ryann6067]

It speaks volumes on the need to improve public education and accessibility to it.

[@BigEmpySpaces76]

The lack of prep is not really excusable though. Hopefully he does better if he is going to continue down this path.

[@BigEmpySpaces76]

@@ryann6067 People actually need to be curious though. ALL THE INFORMATION is out there, they just need to look.

[@RidiraPLUR]

What's frightening is these dipshits form their world view on this gross ignorance. Also, how unprepared are you? I suppose props to Sean for atleast seeming to be receptive. But let this be a lesson. Most of the shit trump says is bull shit. Stop buying it hook line and sinker.

[@AsobiMedio]

@@ryann6067 Increases in education can only do so much. So long as tens of millions of people are drowned in bs from propaganda outlets like FOX or OAN nothing will change, these networks need to be taken down for what they are. Free speech has limits and two clear ones are stochastic terrorism and foreign espionage.

[@doctorf7501]

Being upfront about not understanding something is not a weakness. Well done Sean and David

[@chuletajones6833]

No, the weakness is insisting on holding a view about something you know you're ignorant to.

[@TeamKG08]

Tariffs aren't just taxes on foreign goods-they impact local companies too! This is a must-listen for anyone interested in economics.

[@K-Autor]

This episode really opens your eyes to how tariffs hit local businesses, not just consumers.

[@MargauxSafiya]

Pakman really nailed it-tariffs aren't as simple as they seem, great explanation."

[@DejectedCat]

For the average joes, just imagine it functions somewhat similarly to sale's tax and it all becomes clear. You pay the sale's tax when you buy food, not the grocery store.

[@dilmeral]

Mark Cuban explained them perfectly

[@TheTeccala]

@@DejectedCat At the same time Pakman's answer is lacking, increasing tariffs punishes the country where the goods come from. In this video, US would stop buying steel from China to find the next best price. In pretty much all cases US is punishing itself, but if another supplier is found, China looses a gigantic market. If another supplier is not found, US punishing itself only (yeah, stupid move).

[@cassandrahepp6445]

I have watched many political interviews, and I have to say that this is by far the one I have enjoyed the most. It was respectful, insightful, and mature. I know very few people who can openly admit when they don't know something and even fewer who wouldn't get defensive. Seans' willingness to listen and admit when he is uninformed is commendable. Davids educated responses along with him encouraging Sean to fact check him says a lot about the authenticity of what he's saying. Overall, this is a shining example of what a political discussion should look like. Thank you for having David on and for being so receptive to the information he provided. And thank you even more for being so transparent with your viewers.

[@godzillaeatsushi4979]

Agreed! This was very good interview.

[@butwhytho4858]

Loved it too. I no longer watch Pakman cause he’s so snarky and triggering, even if I agree with him. This guy did a fantastic job of actually reigning in his pissy snarky debating lol. I do wish this guy knew a little more about his own belief systems. But I’m impressed greatly by his interviewing capabilities and honesty.

[@ContentArmadillo-ie1xe]

10:16 ​@@butwhytho4858

[@berkefeil5646]

Sean, you have showed humility and open-mindedness. Most people would not be ok with sharing such a podcast, but by doing so, you inspire people to develop a more fact-based and unbiased approach to politics. Stay informed! 💪

[@wavra81]

I think Sean was extremely honest, humble and receptive. David is very knowledgeable and well versed in this field and it feels like Sean was actually interested in learning and gaining knowledge from him. Extremely good conversation.

[@robotsex111]

Pakman fan here. I don't know this host, but I appreciate he being open and receptive to David. Good conversation.

[@brianchaput1014]

Center-left 60 year old man here. This was an incredible discussion and sincerely appreciate you having David as a guest, he has enlightened me on so many issues and is very respectful when he is speaking with someone who's views are contrary to his.

[@veronicadoggone5660]

Glad this was available in full on both host & guest channels 👍👍

[@marcydrake9159]

Yes! David did have a little bit of the dialogue post-interview, but just a few words. This is how political discourse should work. 👍

[@BenPellowMusic]

Sean is a better man than most republicans because he was open to listen and learn and change his mind. Good on you Sean! Welcome to the truth!

[@chrism6764]

Long time Pakman viewer. It's good to see people on different sides of the political spectrum having a conversation without the adversarial or hostile atmosphere.

[@RainCheck797]

Sean has my absolute respect. Just for admitting when he didn't know things and being open to hearing facts that conflicted with his current beliefs and knowing. Bravo!

[@fanofhumidity]

If only more “talk” hosts would be like this. This was a measured, respectful conversation by both people. Refreshing!

[@MargauxSafiya]

"I appreciate how David Pakman explains he's not tied to a political party but just focuses on the policies. Super insightful conversation, especially on the DNC coverage!

[@ASMarketingConsultancy]

David’s non-partisan approach makes for such a refreshing and balanced discussion!

[@TeamKG08]

Hearing Pakman’s take on DNC and his progressive stance was really insightful.

[@CharlesBrandy]

Really enjoyed how David broke down politics without aligning to a party, very neutral."

[@kcsaszar]

Dead Internet theory proved correct right here.

[@TheTeccala]

I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy the video "2 party system" from TheJuiceMedia (and most of their videos too). If you enjoy "genuine satire" you're gonna love it.

[@mjxc1627]

Thank you for having David on and hearing him out. It was nice to see an interviewer that allows the guest to expand on the topic.

[@johndekoven7549]

He had to allow him to expand since he knew nothing about the topic itself!

[@adamgilbert9176]

Great interview, I didn't know some of trumps policies, after looking into it, David knows his stuff it seems. Ty for this

[@Ladyinmaine27]

"I support Trump" but knows ZERO on what Trump stands for. I personally learned so much listening to David. He is so I informed. Excellent interview.

[@amywilkerson847]

That statement was horrifying-

[@RoyGBiv-mb8xt]

This conversation was such a breath of fresh air. Open, honest and civil. The political discourse in this country has become so uncivilized and incendiary rhetorically that it’s mentally and psychologically exhausting. It is incredibly refreshing to see such a civil and informative political discussion. Well done.

[@debramurphy5163]

I am here because of your David Pakman interview.

[@davidkeeley210]

And Sean seemed in need of numerous facts about trump activity. Pakman in formed him. Is the purpose to watch Sean gradually become aware of stuff that has happened? Pakman is top notch content.

[@ARKHAM367]

Love watching David whenever I get the chance. He was one of the people that correctly called out that Biden might drop out based on polling and media reception. Been a fan of his for years. This appearance was definitely worth watching and thank you for having him on.

[@Mangolite]

David Pakman is correct in pointing out that, regardless of our political views, algorithms tend to direct us to content that aligns with our beliefs. This makes it difficult to encounter opposing viewpoints, as we are continuously exposed to what we already agree with or want to hear.

[@Barsoom1913]

Thinking about it it’s plain to see that algorithms are a part of the problem when it comes to biases and I don’t think that’s discussed enough

[@bryanmack5410]

Maybe I’m totally on the wrong page to say this, but this clip should be used to help people who are completely imprisoned by their bubble. The reason you’re taught to scream “fake news” is so you stay in that bubble.

[@soul-candy-music]

Much love n respect to Sean for being transparent and genuine here.

[@Amaryllis-4U]

I appreciate how you were willing to listen and didn’t talk over or cut off David as he expressed his views! Very respectful interview 😊

[@daviegriffin3539]

Respectful yet painfully ignorant... BTW, numerous facts were given and this kid still supports Trump?

[@Amaryllis-4U]

@@daviegriffin3539 yes but I appreciate the fact that he was open to listening. There are lots of people who like it or not might not have time or the patience to look up info. That’s why I think Trump gets away with stuff because he implements the strategy in which if you repeat an idea so many times (whether or not it’s true) many will start to believe it. So his supporters constantly hear his lies from him and the media that support him that they take it as truth. To be honest I know a lot of people who are told as Christians not to watch tv or listen to secular music. And it just so happens that the news on Christian radio stations (that I’ve come across) tends to be Fox News. Coincidence? I think not. So I welcome these people asking questions and risking being called ignorant. Because in the process, many others might be educated as well. But if we shame the masses and intimidate them, we also lose the opportunity of getting them to see things differently . David could have been rude and condescending. But instead he pointed out facts and provided data and encouraged the interviewer to fact check him. Thank you David! And thank you Sean for having David on your show 😊

[@louibeans]

@@daviegriffin3539 At the end, he questioned his support for Trump. Do you have any other evidence of this podcast host still supporting Trump?

[@b-radb5483]

Although not always informed on this issues and the facts.. Sean's willingness to have his mind changed and accept new data is commendable. It's great to watch such a conversation.

[@naytewilson]

Lmao

[@plutotech]

Did he?

[@tdkcampbell]

Full respect for sean kelly here, he didnt know, and Pakman helped him. I really hope people now realise the truth about tariffs. Tariffs have a place, but that is to discourage poor quality products or to encourage local production, its not a tax revenue, and it can be inflationary.

[@Notimp0rtant523]

This was the first time I heard of Sean, when I saw this on David’s channel. I just wanted to comment how absolutely impressed I am by Sean’s ability to allow new information to change his opinion. In fact, it’s a true mark of intelligence, to be willing to be wrong so thoroughly and publicly. It’s confident, it’s intelligent, and it’s a sign of good moral character. I am looking forward to watching some more of your old videos and giving you a fair shake as a maker. Thanks for bringing David on to your program.

[@patrickwelch7168]

This interview is absolute Gold!!! David Packman is so chill...🎉

[@ryanmcgloondc1014]

Great to see someone open to exploring where they may be wrong. Very genuine and receptive guy

[@JFetch]

It sounds like the host doesn't have opinions of his own and just believes what his algorithm shows him. This is what is wrong with politics today. Everyone thinks they are an expert just parroting what they hear from others. That is why Trump is popular.

[@LesignerGirl]

I like how both men were respectful to each other, and how Sean was receptive to David's knowledge and explanations of the facts. What concerns me is that, although Sean seemed to learn quite a bit from this discussion, he didn't learn enough from it, because it sounded like he wasn't committed to voting for Harris and Walz. I hope he has learned enough since this discussion to understand how devastating another Trump presidency would be for this country and the world, will use his platform to explain this to his viewers, and will register and vote for Harris and Walz. Like David, I don't agree with 100% of Harris and Walz policies, but I do believe they care about people and can do some great things, while Trump would turn this country into a dictatorship. We all need to spread the word, and every American citizen of voting age needs to vote blue!

[@louibeans]

I think this is a wrong conclusion. The host did state his opinions on some of the things. He was just not very informed yet about how a lot of those things actually work and what the facts are.

[@jandjhroco]

@@LesignerGirl I mean I would be surprised if people are willing to completely change their identity in a 40 minute time frame. It sounded like Sean is leaning Trump if he had to choose but it would be very likely that he simply wouldn't vote at all even knowing that he lives in a swing state where his vote could be one of the deciding votes.

[@sophien5416]

​@LesignerGirl Perhaps the host just needs to let the data settle in his mind and fact check the claims (as David encouraged). Sean did say that he is analytical, so sometimes people with that kind of mentality need to sit and absorb the numbers to truly be informed. Also, we do not know from this interview why Sean personally is a Trump supporter, aside from his algorithm bias. Until we understand what is of value to him, it won't sway his favouring of Trump.

[@GabeHandle]

I'd say this is what is wrong with humans. Not just today but always. These days it's what the algorithm is showing people, but in the past it was television, radio, newspapers, family, friends, community etc.

[@iamchaunceman]

Sean is one of the few people who learn from ignorance. That’s hard because you first must be aware and acknowledge. Well done, Pakman is a good follow and this was a very necessary conversation for social media

[@gamanisk]

Here from David Pakman - thank you for graciously being open to the conversation! I hope your listeners listen with similarly open minds

[@johanpeace]

If David Pakman is talking, I’m watching

[@HH-jg4ju]

Facts

[@LD86]

Same!

[@TheTeccala]

But you should be LISTENING :D

[@brucegryllisgaming7732]

Not American but this is the best conversation I've seen over the whole election cycle. Whatever way the host chooses to vote, you have got to register and get out to vote.

[@superdaintycait]

I started watching this thinking I would stop a few minutes in and ended up watching the whole interaction. This is what we need right now. People talking civilly to one another and each listening to the other side. Sean, I think you played an important role here in being willing to express what you have experienced in terms of the algorithm and your personal exposure influencing your understanding on the issues. You are not alone. So many are experiencing this and it is something we as humanity need to understand and develop systems to protect us from fast spreading misinformation. Thanks for doing this interview and for being receptive and respectful. Please register to vote and vote, (we need Gen Z to become active politically…. So much is leading to the future planet you and your children will inherit… climate, mass shootings, reproductive healthcare, access to education and books, equality for all races, religions, etc…. ) but please vote only after doing your independent research on the issues instead of listening only to the loudest voice on your social media algorithms.

[@ryann6067]

Great interview with David Pakman. He is very balanced and articulate.

[@PeregrineChurch]

David Pakman here is a role model when it comes being informed. Sean Kelly here is a role model when it comes to being open to new information that conflicts with previous beliefs. I hope everyone who watches this goes and does their own research outside of social media to find accurate information about the stories and topics they care about.

[@loulou_sur_2roues]

As a David Pakman follower I didn't know who was Sean until today. He seems to me very collected and open minded, which gave a fruitful and respectful discussion. Keep up the good work to both of you

[@SonicDeeHedgehog]

"I don't even know if I'm registered to vote. I was in the hospital once. So maybe." What the actual fuck?

[@darlenesjourney6480]

Came to give a view for sean as he deserves it because this was a wonderful exchange and he was honest and open. Thanks for this.

[@razcarsey6635]

I'm a HUGE Sean Kelly buff. I'm proud to be one of his 1.06 million very real, very human, totally authentically acquired, subscribers. His Chris Graebe interview from last week absolutely rocked my world, so don't you dare question why it only has 41 views.

[@KandiMan]

LOL

[@picturedetroit]

I’ll have to check it out 😊

[@saml302]

another Pakman viewer here. Sean did great. he asked follow up, clarifying questions and pushed back when he felt he needed to, and gave David room to explain why he feels the way he does. great interview

[@curseyoujordanshow]

It's unfortunate that people are so quick to dunk on someone for saying _"I didn't know that."_ While you'd obviously like for people in general to be as informed as possible, admitting to your ignorance is a billion times more commendable than just trying to bullshit your way through it to save face. It's a level of candid honesty that has to be respected and, frankly, encouraged. I think you'd see this quality in people a lot more if they weren't afraid of being attacked over it or seen as somehow weak because of it; like we must constantly be projecting strength through acting as though we always know everything. To the contrary, it takes courage and integrity to concede our ignorance. Indeed, beginning from a starting point of acknowledging what it is that we do not know is a fundamental cornerstone of science, philosophy, and ultimately getting closer to the truth. Props to you.

[@StrideTowardPeace]

To paraphrase Socrates at his trial, "If I am guilty of anything, it is that I know that I do not know."

[@Larimarc]

Congrats on your interview with David. Well done man. I think there is hope for America.

[@kevinb7875]

These are the conversations we need to be having!

[@gameodd]

hey, I come from David Pakman's channel. just wanted to say massive props for being so open to discussion. Very refreshing to see constructive back and forths, and finding common ground on facts and information

[@bobrown4212]

Honestly really nice to see somebody come to the table willing to listen and engage with what the other person is saying. Most channels would have a page of prepared responses that they are ready to interrupt on, but this is how actual humans interact.

[@Charliebrownmcfly]

Excellent conversation between two different world views. Excellent professional from both sides. Pakman fan here. This kid is really good about filling his intellectual curiosity. Very respectful.

[@sophien5416]

Long time, David Packman Subscriber here...Just wanted to encourage Sean to keep curious and keep learning. I appreciate the humility to admit the things that you do not know. Definitely try to get Packman back and have deeper questions to ask (after you do your research) as he is a wealth of knowledge.

[@DMcmichael]

Came here from David's channel to show some love. Much respect for you, you're open mind and willingness to learn. I too didn't know a lot about politics or economics before finding David, and always voted Republican, but found him searching for answers and someone to help me get through the craziness of the 2020 election and what was to follow. As a previous cheap Republican, one bit of advice I would give you is, stop buying $70,000 cars, get a financial advisor and start investing that money. Just my opinion though. 🙂 Oh, and get out and vote! I prefer blue now.

[@coolcat23]

Hi Sean, it is great that are so open-minded and were able to listen to David without immediately rejecting whatever he said as "mainstream media lies", or similar, as many people unfortunately would have done. I hope you'll continue on your journey to learn more about what the candidates actually want and will vote based on having formed your independent opinion.

[@Homitu]

Hey Sean, just want to say MAJOR KUDOS to you for how receptive you were to new information and unafraid to admit what you didn’t know. Your approach to that kind of conversation is a model of how we should all respond when we don’t know everything about the subject!

[@pawn288]

We need more on the right with this kind of approach to new information

[@dannye2759]

What an informative session that displays what most American mindsets are

[@antoniorossiz]

This was a nice convo. Props to Sean for being open minded.

[@daviegriffin3539]

Sean's open mind has a lot of Open Space. Devoid of facts just loaded with fragile MAGA feelings? 😳

[@bethvalachovic7193]

Just saw this interview and I must give you props for listening and being open to educating your audience in a mindful and respectful way! I personally learned so much, this is a prime example of how an interview should be presented. Never stop learning and you could become a very successful journalist. I wish that everyone could watch this truly unbiased interview. Well done.

[@Prestoncsn]

Thank you for getting a different perspective on. I remember this guy on the PBD podcast.

[@AsobiMedio]

38:25 David brings up an excellent point here that should probably be given more attention. Beyond the percentage rates for taxes, it matters far more the specific kinds of taxes that are used, they each affect the economy in very different ways, positively and negatively. A few examples: Income tax: By far the most efficient and effective in terms of generating revenue while also being fair to most people since it's a progressive tax, with a fairly high standard deduction and lower rates for those who earn less. If your goal is to fund the government and to do so in an equitable way, this type is what you should be focused on. The average income tax rate for Americans is around 15% yet it makes up 49% of the country's tax revenue. Sales tax: Effective for funding but generally bad for the economy. It slows down the economy directly by making just about everything more expensive at the point of sale. It also disproportionately affects lower and middle-income people because they are the ones who need to spend a large percentage of their money on necessities, meanwhile the wealthy just sit on theirs in investments. Though there are some instances where a sales/transaction tax could do a lot of good, for example, a small 0.1% tax on all transactions has been floated as a way to cool down the stock market trading and reduce instability within it without hurting the average person's portfolio. Only huge corporations making millions of transactions a week benefit from the current lack of such a tax at the expense of everyone else who relies on a stable market. Corporate tax: A good idea, but effectively pointless with the number of loopholes that currently exist to bypass it. Despite its relatively high rate, it makes up less than 9% of the federal tax revenue. If those loopholes were closed or the tax was more streamlined, it would be a different conversation. Wealth/property taxes: It depends on how you use them. For example, a tax on property that goes unused. Say you own a huge building and the land around in some downtown area, but you keep it empty because the property was overvalued, nobody can afford the rent, and nobody is willing to buy it off of you for more. That right there kills entire cities, an indirect subsidy from the government to offset your poor speculative investment decision, that space could be used for a thousand productive activities, which can themselves be taxed. So a large tax on such empty spaces is a good way to knock off these sore losers who refuse to take a loss at everyone else's expense. A general land-use tax is another way to go about it, taxing the value of unused land that people just own because it's guaranteed to appreciate in value even if nothing productive is done on it. The same principle applies. Pigouvian tax: Also known as "sin" taxes. A tax placed on goods or services that have negative effects on the wider economy and society. So there's the obvious stuff like taxes on alcohol and nicotine products, penalties for pollution, carbon taxes, etc. Basically, it acts as a disincentive to doing these anti-social, societally damaging activities and an indirect incentive to push for an alternative or to limit the damage caused by those activities. TLDR: Taxes aren't created equal and there are a lot of nuances to be discussed for each type and how they can be implemented.

[@daviegriffin3539]

I was thinking the same "Thang". 🙃🤭 Actually, you stated your point very well and thoroughly. 🤓

[@sophien5416]

Thank you for this summary, Proff! I wish I didn't quit economics. Media reporters should have to educate the public when they bring up these conversations in the news.

[@AsobiMedio]

@@sophien5416 I'm no professor but with the amount of misinformation or just plain ignorance on the topic I may as well be. Most of my knowledge of economics is self-taught over the years. Schools below the college level barely touch on the subject and I could never afford to go to university. Turns out that when you actually "do your own research" it takes a long time and some real work, but you learn something useful by the end of it. Unlike the people who parrot the phrase but never crack open a textbook or scholarly PDF in their lives.

[@dlcurry103]

Just wanted to say I appreciate you sharing your views, accepting others, and understanding what respectful discourse is. Great interview. You have a new subscriber.

[@burnerandhoney]

Here as a David listener - you were so respectful and curious! Great job!

[@franciskoalmonte]

I came from the link Pakman posted just to read Sean's followers comments to this conversation, but I only see Pakman's followers commenting.

[@rnptenafly]

I have a feeling because that’s because, if you look at the number of views of most of Sean‘s videos they are either in the 100s, less than 100 (even for videos that have been on here for weeks), or a few thousand at most. I think this interview with David Pakman is his most viewed video, at least for the last few weeks, as I’m scrolling through his video list. Over 21,000 at this point. How does Sean have over 1 million subscribers when most of his videos have so few hits? Anyway, since this video has 4 to 10 times more views, I think most of the extra hits are from people who originally saw this video on David Pakman’s channel, hence more comments from them.

[@jvlixn]

For a million sub channel it kinda fell off 🤔

[@YourTioTravels]

Great interview. It's always refreshing for someone who listens to facts without being bogged down in opinion and clinging to political identity.

[@angelviloria4966]

Sean, Impressive! Mad respect for your willingness to listen and learn (do go and fact check Pakman - that would an interesting video itself!). If you continue to be a good listener and willing to learn like you did here, you will go far.

[@summerbiby1496]

I came here from Pakman but really appreciated Sean's openness and decided to subscribe and see what else comes of this great conversation!

[@NeonZebraSpots]

Just came over to give the interview a "view" because of David. I finished watching it on his channel and decided to watch it here as well just to see, and I do give you props for posting it in Full and not cutting it up. I love how objective David always is and how he states the facts but also encourages you to fact-check him on it as well. Sean seemed very willing to listen and hopefully absorb some things; he said he was very analytical but didn't seem to be very up-to-date on a lot of the facts regarding the things he supports.

[@sntemp]

Good discussion. I also appreciate Sean Kelly a lot here. He's doing something that few people seem to be able to do these days and that's admit that they don't know what they don't know.

[@Aaleyahsmom]

Pakman fan, enjoyed your honesty Sean. Really nice to have a honest discussion.

[@TheRealJTC]

Sean, never seen your show before, but much respect for your honesty. This was a very refreshing conversation. Pakman does a great job and does his homework. Great guest to have on.

[@FredieFredie-j8s]

all the episodes here are very meaningful and the host is very kind he really asks what we should know and to make us aware of what we shouldn't.

[@myprettygirl91]

Really admire this host for being open to the conversation!

[@jimnyjourneys3106]

Sean Kelly, Kudos to you for asking good questions, engaging and most importantly listening. There are few people that will acknowledge facts and new information and then publicly change their point of view. Most people will continue to defend their existing position and may change their view quietly after the interaction. David Pakman, please run for public office and serve your country. Amerrca needs people like you. I'm a Brit Vet working and living in the Philippines. This US election is so important. And I have no vote...The result of this election is so important

[@OGpopsss]

Subbing to this guy for being honest, open-minded, and respectful! This is how two opposite views should DISCUSS all sides of the given coin. Mad props.

[@MrFace921o]

Tariff = Import tax. Should be renamed, so people don't get confused.

[@wesmcquillen]

Came here from Pakman. Great job Sean for being honest about what you do and don't know, and not automatically assuming what David is telling you is or isn't true. Great job David for explaining things so respectfully instead of putting down Sean for not knowing. I hope that Sean takes the time to go look up a lot of the historical numbers, predictions, and moments that David described so he can confirm these facts for himself. Nice to see this respectful exchange.

[@giulianocolosimo4810]

Im a Pakman listener and its great to see two opposing sides sit down and have a civil and educated discussion on politics, unfortunately this doesnt happen anywhere near as much as it should.

[@annieleduc8395]

Great interview I would pay to see a daily/weekly show with both of you on.

[@StepnieW]

Sean Kelly is a Trump supporter, and you can hear and see from this podcast why Donald Trump said, "I love the poorly educated."

[@angryretailbanker5103]

Did you watch to the end? "Maybe I should reword 'supporter'." 44:40 Sean Kelly seemed to genuinely have come out of this interview questioning his support for Trump.

[@Stryke2wice]

LMFAOOOO

[@SrReal1st]

thought the exact same thing. the folks saying "he well at least sean seems open minded." i doubt that, and even if he is, it's not moving any goal posts for these bros. i dont have much hope this is going to alter any discourse in a meaningful way. trump has this goobers' vote.

[@sterlingmullett6942]

@@SrReal1st He's not even registered to vote and the election is less than a month away. Let's hope left-leaning youth are more prepared and turn out. As recent articles have exposed many of these bros are simply in it for the cash.

[@johndekoven7549]

​@@SrReal1st and he doesn't even know if he's registered to vote? I was like are you fricking kidding me! How do you conduct this type of interview and not even do the one thing you need to do that you're talking about. This dude is gullible as hell

[@gwenstone9685]

I watched this on David channel and enjoyed the conversation. It was refreshing to see someone open to a conversation. It gives me hope

[@russcastella]

One of those podcast episodes that can be watched more than once.

[@e0n555]

Parkman viewer and came here to encourage Sean to do better. He is a decent person, and tRump does not deserve his support.

[@cherylsmith4896]

Thanks Sean for listening and your receptiveness. There are no stupid question, your a really good interviewer and curiosity is what life is about... I'll be watching/listening to you....

[@ProcessLoH]

Good job both of you. This is how politics should be done

[@corndogblue7]

Good job talking to Pakman and having such an open mind, a rare thing.

[@madmblu]

I loved this! You had an actual conversation. Your questions were NOT inflammatory, “gotcha” comments, and seemed genuine. You kept it open to back & forth rather than trying to talk over David. Best of all, you were able to be truthful about what you weren’t certain about. You did a better job interviewing than most of the these professional talking heads. Thank you! Having said that, regardless of whom you support, please vote!

[@snaggiz]

At least the kid listened, admitted he didn’t know and was receptive. Life is long and full of learning moments. Hopefully, this was one such moment. If he truly changed his mind on things then that’s something that should be encouraged.

[@kat4ttack940]

being able to listen to someone when you realize they might know more than you is such a mature and needed skill. we all get caught up in our own beliefs sometimes. This was a good watch!