Bottle traps are quite standard over here in the UK. They work well and if there is a problem you easily undo the ‘bottle’ clear the blockage and continue for another decade until it needs servicing.
@Brian77766 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I don’t see a problem with them, with most of them consisting entirely of PVC, they basically last forever. Plus they’re easy to clean out and great for capturing that ring that fell off you finger. The US needs to get a grip. How about your US bath trap that you can’t clean out? Good luck with that, and they say it’s code compliant?!
@eaglevision993 Жыл бұрын
We have them in Germany too. I don´t see a problem with them. They can be disassembled to clear a blockage. And I have NEVER seen one fail because they rot through. But then again we are talking about US quality here....
@ptso7580 Жыл бұрын
We have em in the US. It's just not popular because it didn't come in our cheap homes built by criminal developers from the end of WW2 to now.
@htklun2 жыл бұрын
I can understand why it would not be code compliant when plumbing fixtures were made with metal that can and do corrode over time. In Asia thick gauge PVC bottle traps are pretty common and they are absolutely rock solid and will last over 30 years. I’ve never had any problems with them.
@demonknight79652 жыл бұрын
The other issue richard was talking about is it not completely cleaning all the water out of itself. There will be some of the nasty water left in there.
@Engineer97362 жыл бұрын
@@demonknight7965 The water does get refreshed, but not as efficient as using a S trap. Similar to ventilating a room, the airflow from window to window is also not a tube, yet the turbulence in the air causes the entire room to have fresh air after a bit. The bottle trap does the same.... if you let the water run for a few minutes (regular usage) then all the water in the bottle trap has been flushed through. During normal usage the dirtiness of the water in the bottle trap doesn't matter anyway. And if you need to clean it, put some gloves on and a bucket underneath it.
@deanehill97302 жыл бұрын
What was the solution ? Thanks for the video.
@katv4900 Жыл бұрын
1:06 He showed you. He said the issue with that is it has to be cut to length, and is annoying. But it's the solution.
@builttolaugh4 ай бұрын
So… what would be the solution for a fixture with this exact problem?
@marvinthemartian4740 Жыл бұрын
That's why I like being a homeowner in a small city for 2 reasons. 1) we don't have any kind of inspectors. 2) we don't have to go by code cause we funny have a code enforcement manager. So, I would definitely use a bottle trap. Besides, my water goes out the back of my house and empties into the creek. So, no sewer gas
@manatal46737 ай бұрын
How about a Sink Genie? Thank you for always sharing.
@mrcryptozoic8172 жыл бұрын
Build it backwards. Start from a street elbow going tight left (or right) at the wall, put a P trap over there, then over and up to the sink drain? That way you can conceal the P-trap behind a nice looking cover box. I don't see why it matters where the P trap is as long as it drains sink water properly and still seals gasses.
@Kevscancave2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Thanks for the great explanations!
@deadbrother53558 ай бұрын
Whats the proper solution?
@randybb2 жыл бұрын
A standard trap used in europe :D But the P shaped is better as it doesn't clogh - is basically self cleaning.
@ericmarinello2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@kingssman22 жыл бұрын
Never knew these existed. But wouldn't want to use it. That bottle trap looks like it can clog way to easily.
@chrisdupont11952 жыл бұрын
We use them a lot in Europe. They do clog up easily (especially with hairs). But it's really easy to clean. The bottom part can be unscrewed and can be cleaned and put back in 5 minutes.
@samtheoutdoor2 жыл бұрын
Yes they often do clog. But they're also easy to clean as well by unscrewing the cup at the bottom. Most rubbish sit there
@Engineer97362 жыл бұрын
In a toilet sink almost no one ever puts mess down the drain that can clog it. Who’s going to put their hair in a sink, or other solid things? It’s just water and soap. I’ve never had to clean out a bottle trap in my life while almost every house has them here in Europe.
@BigRW2 жыл бұрын
@@Engineer9736 Where do you shave? In the shower?
@luisr83602 жыл бұрын
Yes they clug easy They look pretty but thats it. If you don't have basic knowledge on using hand tools then don't use this bottle trap. Just like the wall mount toilets they look pretty but have weak flushing.
@weddingdjMN2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the solution to the problem. Did I miss it? 😢
@javiergalvan2422 жыл бұрын
Great item and tip! Another great video guys! 👍
@imark77777772 жыл бұрын
Interesting because I've seen them occasionally and I'm surprised they haven't been "trapped".
@RaidPerspective2 жыл бұрын
What does This Old House think of Sink Twice for toilet tanks? Seems like it would accommodate the need without issue.
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
I used those in Japan and thought it would be perfect for my tiny downstairs bathroom, but I think most people wouldn’t have a clue how to use them.
@Mr.Pop02 жыл бұрын
@@johndoe6032 You mean use wash your hands in the toilet?
@thejpkotor2 жыл бұрын
I’ve found they’re kind of a novelty and not very practical.
@RaidPerspective2 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.Pop0 they are faucets that run off the water used to fill the toilet tank. Directly after flushing that water comes out of a faucet and goes into the tank which you can intercept and wash your hands
@babeksaber27029 ай бұрын
Very Useful...thx
@Sparky-ww5re2 жыл бұрын
interesting. Never knew these existed. But it sorta resembles a drum trap, most folks probably never seen or heard of these either unless they are in a house that more than 70 years old. I've seen two drum traps in my lifetime, so far. In a duplex built in 1946, and in a craftsman bungalow built in 1927, both instances used with a clawfoot bathtub. in the duplex the tub and sink were near each other. the toilet at the far end, so perhaps the sink also drained into the drum trap? The clean out plug was in front of the sink and beside the tub.
@SteveAgl622 жыл бұрын
In europe we always use bottle traps, metal or plastic, if u need to clean take a minute to open it, and w are get dead or poisoned by gas all the time LOL
@thesufiman77642 жыл бұрын
What was the cost of the equipment and installation for this system?
@brendanlavigne20802 жыл бұрын
Those bottle traps remind me of something about the old drum traps. Difficult to snake/unclog and not self scouring.
@Brian77766 Жыл бұрын
You simply unscrew the bottom section and remove the clog, screw it back on. Why would you ever need to snake it? It's not an S trap. The USA needs to get with the rest of the world. It's a bit like the combi boilers we're all using, you call them instantaneous water heaters, you're only 30 years too late. Our combination boilers heat central heating water and provide instant hot water.
@kamenneikoo78547 ай бұрын
Except you can easily open the bottom and empty them or just unscrew the whole thing by hand and deep clean it
@Farm_fab2 жыл бұрын
What if you have the sink, and can't get a variance?
@ianbutler19832 жыл бұрын
Don't ask, it is your house, useless bureaucrats can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.
@horza3106 Жыл бұрын
Are bottle traps illegal in the UK?
@EppingForest3043 ай бұрын
Bottle traps are extremely common in the UK 🇬🇧 never seen one that has rotted!
@themoy08 Жыл бұрын
to everyone saying that their bottle traps work fine and require a little maintenance. That is fine I'm sure they do but you severely underestimate the average person's laziness and/or lack of handiness to perform the minimal maintenance.
@timfischer Жыл бұрын
Video leaves me confused... so what's the real answer for this solution? Seems like nothing they presented is both legal and works well.
@teacherwaseemheight95862 жыл бұрын
in Malaysia, this is common, and it's made out of plastic, like RM 10 for everything
@jasonkilley Жыл бұрын
Would seem fine for most powder room applications where you don't have a lot of hair or other things going down the drain but not good for a main bathroom
@jackpast2 жыл бұрын
Well now that was different. A no-real-solution TOH
@katv4900 Жыл бұрын
He told you. 1:06 You cut to the metal trap to length. If you insist on using a bottle trap, contact your plumbing authority. All of this was in there.
@Bobherry Жыл бұрын
reminds me of a drum trap
@5stardave6 ай бұрын
How about having the trap behind the wall?
@chrisrioux6 ай бұрын
I’ve been wondering this, too. Or have it in the basement, or anywhere further down the line that’s not visible. What’s the point of having it so close to the sink where it’s unsightly?
@chatryna2 жыл бұрын
Bullet proof...that's what I am talking about. Just had a plumber over today. He thought the job was finished. But no, the rainy plumbing is now a slow drip. Is that acceptable in todays world?
@sharpshooter0123452 жыл бұрын
The great khali approved this video.
@chrisgoldbach44502 жыл бұрын
Should of included the solution
@Engineer97362 жыл бұрын
Just watch the video and listen closely to what they tell. Everything your need to know is in there.
@Engineer97362 жыл бұрын
Also, it’s “should have”, not “should of”.
@mccalejk22 жыл бұрын
The solution is to use a normal trap or request a variance. This video is just to explain what a bottle trap is.
@Engineer97362 жыл бұрын
@@BiggMo Your existence is pedantic.
@feronanthus97562 жыл бұрын
4:22 "apply for a variance"
@avalon4492 жыл бұрын
Geez! So what do you use????????
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
You angle the p-trap like he said very briefly.
@laurie61232 жыл бұрын
You build a new house
@kenc22572 жыл бұрын
@@johndoe6032 Or, if you really/really need a space-saving solution like a bottle trap, you apply for a variance.
@flat-earther2 жыл бұрын
If you own a house you can do whatever you want you don't need anyone's permission. Also I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
@@flat-earther Ok, but if you do something that's not up to code, you open yourself up to all kinds of liability. If you bad plumbing floods your house, or bad wiring burns it down, your insurance company won't pay a dime. If you bad workmanship actually results in someone getting injured, you can be on the hook for more than just medical bills, and again, your insurance company won't pay a dime.
@ncooty2 жыл бұрын
In the TOH universe, many inanimate objects "want" things.
@osamaelhawat27662 жыл бұрын
👍
@mikeulman71462 жыл бұрын
KEY WORDS " if you get a legal variance " In other words if you pay off the government it's OK.
@oldtwinsna83472 жыл бұрын
Full city water pressure not mentioned here.
@flat-earther2 жыл бұрын
Maybe because drain pipes are not under full city water pressure. Also I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
@feronanthus97562 жыл бұрын
Full sewer gas pressure
@Engineer97362 жыл бұрын
@@flat-earther It was a joke 🤦♂️ And get lost with your spam
@2loco2 жыл бұрын
I've got 6 bottle traps in my house. They're around 15 years old and still work as good as they did on day 1. You do need to perform some minor maintenance on them but it only takes about 5 minutes and only really needs to be done 2 or 3 times a year. Not sure why They're banned in the U.S
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
I guess the point is that you can’t know the condition inside because you can’t see it. It could be fine for 20 years or corrosion could start leaking gas tomorrow. You don’t know for sure.
@2loco2 жыл бұрын
@@johndoe6032 and if it leaks then go ahead and replace it. No different to replacing a flexi hose on a tap or replacing a light bulb in a light fixture...
@laurie61232 жыл бұрын
Because most people would not do that maintenance and would end up afixiated
@drakeorion942 жыл бұрын
He said its because they can allow sewer gas through and are not self scouring
@htklun2 жыл бұрын
@@2loco the inner partition sits in the trap water and can corrode over time, allowing sewer gas to pass thru the trap without any visible signs of coordination or leaks outside. In the rest of the world, PVC bottle trap are very common and solved this problem completely.
@richvanorden70262 жыл бұрын
Bottle trap just a mini drum trap
@ARSciandra2 жыл бұрын
well, wth was the resolution?
@jamesm51482 жыл бұрын
1080p
@ychongy2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesm5148 🤣
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
Angle the p-trap or get special permission for the bottle trap.
@norwegiannationalist76782 жыл бұрын
Wierd that Bottle traps are illegal in the USA, These are used all over in Europe and most likely the rest of the world and we never had a problem with the pipe rotting and sewer gas
@ychongy2 жыл бұрын
Only guns are legal here. Everything is banned 😄
@clemfandango29302 жыл бұрын
He literally explains 2/3 other reasons why they’re illegal. The non self scouring and inability to be cleaned manually are probably bigger reasons than the worry of a brass pipe rotting away.
@kenc22572 жыл бұрын
@@ychongy Yer darn tootin right! Who needs flexible plumbing solutions when you have SUPERIOR firepower?!
@mr.g9372 жыл бұрын
Excuse me? Literally every hotel I've been to in Europe (particularly Italy) reeks of sewer gas
@norwegiannationalist76782 жыл бұрын
@@mr.g937 You do realise that is because of the water traps beind dried out from not being used
@richardkimball19622 жыл бұрын
Kk😊
@jamesdenny47342 жыл бұрын
How's one going to use a sink taller than they are ?
@spacemissing2 жыл бұрын
So, offset the damm pipe in the wall, use a P trap, and keep the authorities happy. I wouldn't have a bottle trap if I was handsomely paid to.
@allentoyokawa90682 жыл бұрын
sink is way to high up for me
@pjmorgan Жыл бұрын
So they build plumbing to last 100 years, but the house will do well to go past 40 years before it turns to Weetabix.
@watchmenpropertyinspection34697 ай бұрын
bottle traps definitely should be illegal. Didn't even mention how easy they will clog up.
@cliff0weird02 жыл бұрын
I work in a hotel that has bottle traps on all the sinks in the rooms. These things are the worst.
@jordanas37502 жыл бұрын
But did you notice you didn't answer your own question. Which of the traps would be best? The one before the illegal 1 you told him oh that would be ugly so we're not gonna do that. Obviously not the last 1. So answer the question which 1 would you use?
@mamatmag2 жыл бұрын
Well "I" would just put the trap inside the wall. But that's just me.
@jordanas37502 жыл бұрын
@@mamatmag agreed. Thanks
@DIYDel2 жыл бұрын
I made a video about this
@ericthewiz2 жыл бұрын
I like the variety of content on your channel
@flat-earther2 жыл бұрын
Wow you have many youtube accounts.
@kpdvw Жыл бұрын
Bottle traps are NOT illegal in Germany ,they are the norm....!
@tylere.8436 Жыл бұрын
This is an American show
@ilovefunnyamv2nd2 жыл бұрын
definitely not a sink for shaving. clean water draining only!
@ElliotGeno Жыл бұрын
It's a ridiculous regulation. Bottle traps work and you can disconnect them really quick to clear blockages. Any corrosion that leads to sewer gas escaping will be immediately noticeable by the smell. I still haven't heard a single satisfying reason why you can't use them! Just a bunch of slippery slope arguments that make nearly zero sense.
@AdamEarl22 жыл бұрын
That sink is too high
@wowyummyyy2 жыл бұрын
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@c0mputer2 жыл бұрын
“Illegal” means a different thing in Richard’s mind. You can buy bottle traps and use them all you want. No prison, no fines, no nothing. You will not pass code though. Professional plumbers can’t install these and you will have to change it out if you sell the house. If you put in a new addition the inspector will reject it. Once you fix it and put in a traditional trap and get the approval, you can change it back once the inspector leaves.
@tylere.8436 Жыл бұрын
Ok, change it back after inspection, then get the buyer to back out of the deal. no-no no-no.
@GeeTheBuilder2 жыл бұрын
Good lord 🤦♂️ we use these in the UK They are easy to clean. You just unscrew them. All the world’s hotels use them too. Wake up America. 😂
@MichaelMassie2 жыл бұрын
Ohmergerd, what would we do without government telling us we can’t install the best solution in our own property?
@f8c3themusic2 жыл бұрын
Kevin talks way too much. Can we actually learn without you cutting off the experts lol?
@regnadkcin6702 Жыл бұрын
Europeans under estimate the laziness of average American and their the lack of even the most basic mechanical skill. Not all the them, but many more than you might quess, they might have a hammer and screwdriver and not much else.
@laurie61232 жыл бұрын
So, invent something new already!
@lewiskelly142 жыл бұрын
Another awful half-baked video which didn't actually conclude what the best solution was
@flat-earther2 жыл бұрын
I also thought they would offer a best solution but nothing came. BTW I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
@johnmolnar29572 жыл бұрын
wasted video. not legal, why even show it? what a total piece of garbage . TOH is really stretching for product these days. what a shame...
@flat-earther2 жыл бұрын
John I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. Link in my about tab.
@FaceFaceMan2 жыл бұрын
What's the point of the video? If the typical install can't legally use it, then what else? That sink exists. So what's the cosmetic solution that the video seems to imply? You could have just showed cut away samples of each trap and called it a day.
@jamisongillespie35242 жыл бұрын
cause they obviously think the prohibition is bullshit
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
You angle the p-trap like he very briefly said, or get permission for the bottle trap like he also said.
@ssl35462 жыл бұрын
@@johndoe6032 or you just do the plumbing without getting a permit. adding a lav is not rocket science and you're very unlikely to get ratted out.
@mamatmag2 жыл бұрын
I'd just put the trap inside the wall, with an access of course, and be done with it.
@johndoe60322 жыл бұрын
@@ssl3546 the danger isn’t getting caught with out of code work. The danger is if that out of code work contributes to some kind of personal or property loss. If your plumbing work fails and floods the house, or you out of code electrical work burns it down, you’re insurance company will thank you because they won’t have to pay a dime. And if someone actually gets injured as a result like getting burned in a fire or just electrocuted by touching an electrical device not properly grounded, you can be sued for negligence. So it’s best to understand that by and large those building codes exist for a reason, and you can think of following them as buying yourself a little insurance from a future accident.