Understanding how Benzodiazepines (eg valium, xanax) can make anxiety worse with regular use.

[@ABC-li4he]

Once my withdrawal nightmare started we kept upping the dose until I was on 1mg Klonopin 3x a day. It would work for a couple weeks and then I’d feel worse than before. I never had such bad anxiety in my life. The depersonalization was crippling and had to take time off work while I tapered. I’m 3months off of Klonopin and just got a “wave” the other day. It’s not nearly as intense as when I was tapering but it’s still debilitating and terrifying. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone and I pray that all of those going through this recover to enjoy their life. I’m a 250 man and this has brought me to my knees begging god to heal me. Anyways great video and thank you for the information.

[@syntholshoulders1842]

Did you get brain fog

[@ABC-li4he]

@@syntholshoulders1842 yes

[@jtames9040]

I pray you get back up stronger with the help of God who will bless you, I had similar problems and can relate and what will help you dramatically is to find God’s grace, the truth in life which is in the ORTHODOX christianity religion only. it is the original and true form of christianity that Jesus taught us when he came to earth, and you can feel God's grace through the holy sacraments after baptism, repentance- confession and holy communion in the orthodox christian church, something that completely changes your life and turns you into a happier person with a meaningful life and also saves you by strengthening your bond with God. I suggest you become an orthodox christian at an orthodox christian church near you, get baptised and receive the holy spirit and live a spiritual life (repentance- confession to the priest and holy communion) This is all God wants from us and through these sacraments we will be saved from anxiety in this life and the next💯

[@ABC-li4he]

@@jtames9040 I’m catholic but thank you for spreading the word of god

[@sangeetalambh6389]

@@ABC-li4he how r u now my frd

[@maximiliankegley-oyola928]

This has me crying. The way you converse and explain is perfect and hits so close to home in so many ways. “Skills before pills” is very daunting when you were hardly ever taught the skills you needed and now you’re becoming an adult and it’s all just so much.. Anyways thank you so much for the work you do. It means a lot and this was a very effective explanation. God please give me the strength to endure the unpleasant present so I can get to my wonderful future

[@jaggass]

15 yrs ago i would have begged for anything to ease my anxiety but now i'm totally against taking anti anxiety medication. Several events have triggered my anxiety and i'm having therapy for it.

[@jaggass]

@@lothbrok2770 You become dependant on them and they stop being effective after a while.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

They can be helpful to get someone out of a tight spot. Through a flight or a procedure etc. it’s regular use than can become a problem.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

@Lothbrok The issue there is that they might affect your reaction time, similar risks to alcohol and driving. You’d need to talk to your doc and see if they cause you sedation

[@wulfsorenson8859]

@@thePSYCHcollective I’m unable to drive because of the z drugs I need to sleep. If I drive I’d have an accident for sure.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

​@@jaggass Don't take them on a daily basis, and their effectiveness could be prolonged by YEARS! If you take them every day, though, they will stop working after 9 months - personal experience!

[@rigas333]

Ashton method is the best to get off benzos. slow, very slow reduction

[@Emmanuelsam123]

👆👆 look up that handle, it’s he ships swiftly, and he got shrooms, Dmt, lsd, mmda, psilocybin, adderall, morphine, edibles, fentanyl, cubensis, meth, gummies, SSRI, chocolate bars, he's got a lot.. 🍄 💊🍄🍫💯

[@nickineedhammusic]

Working on that now. Were you able to somewhat comfortably get off following a schedule using this method?

[@rigas333]

@@nickineedhammusic you can definitely do it. Dr Ashton is a pioneer in getting people off benzos. I took Ativan 3mg daily for 2 months and stopped it cold turkey, thank God no withdrawals but I know people that got off with NO withdrawals using Dr Ashtons method.

[@Samanthajustinapoliti]

@@nickineedhammusicwhat is the Ashton method as I really want to come off Xanax

[@maxpower1337]

What is the end result you still have your original problem.

[@rayettarydquist5727]

Anxiety and panic attacks are hard-wired in some people. CBT therapy can help some. Tranquilizers have helped people get relief. Those that don’t suffer from severe anxiety have a difficult time understanding. We need more education and help for this problem. Don’t just throw them under the bus. During the lockdown so many started drinking more for relief. I was advised to take anti depressants for anxiety but the side-effects are terrible especially the nausea and stomach pain. Come to find out studies have shown at 30% have this reaction. Plus they make you have numb feelings and no libido. Seratonin is mostly produced in the gut. Doctors need to help their patients learn skills in order to manage this health issue instead of only giving out drugs.

[@Freedom_Half_Off]

I would have attack so severe i would get angina . Stabbing chest pains that would have me in the ER . I didn't have "social anxiety" ... i didn't want it to get on an airplane because i've never been afraid of flying ... i just had a mountain of stress that no amount of " skills" were going to stop that . Drinking became the only alternative because people like this run around acting like you are a drug addict If you just want relief when it hits ...

[@heralennox9548]

As someone dealing with with cptsd for 6 year sober,sometimes it is needed,if I wasn't on oxazepam right now and was completely sober having flashbacks, I'd be paralyzed in thought in my room so let's cut the stigma around taking benzos as "mindfulness" doesn't really work with intrusive thoughts and feelings.

[@yakuzzi35]

Yeah I came looking for this, I mean abusing them are incredibly dangerous but I didn't even know I had really bad anxiety until I was prescribed benzos. Like now that I actually know what it feels like to actually not be stressed out now I can start trying to be mindful. I also don't like the stigma around taking benzos. I can't even imagine how absurd it must sound to suffer from ptsd and then have people say shit like #skillsbeforepills

[@heralennox9548]

@@yakuzzi35 it's okay to use them them for up to two weeks,but yes unfortunately it isn't a cure although I recommend taking them if you're anxiety is getting really bad or carrying one on you for emergencies,it has been a relief to have an instant cure if needed instead of just letting you're self suffer of course good friends and family can also help 👍

[@Swisspastel80]

This guy is a joke, he clearly has no idea what severe anxiety and PTSD deal with. Some people need medication

[@IsaiahMatthewBourgard]

@@Swisspastel80 I know I do. Even if it doesn’t work as well it sure still works. I take 2mg every other day of Klonipin and I don’t seem to withdrawal or loose as much as an effect if you don’t abuse them. Abuse them you will get hit like a train heavy breathing in a corner,

[@cry6ix]

I do get mine from my channel name look up ⬆️ ⬆️⬆️ they are the best I know and I get mine from them and other healthy stuff

[@helenar6655]

This is so true. I felt it on my own skin. The more you use it, the more you need it.

[@QueenDianaWifeOfLlry]

I've been 'benzos' as needed for 5+ years and the dosage has not gone up a single time. I have NEVER experienced anything akin to what you describe in this video. I NEVER exceed my monthly allotment and I sure as heck don't use it every day. It is as needed ONLY. Not for if I need to sleep, not if I'm bored, not if I'm overly sad. It is ONLY for when I am either edging on or if I am in the /middle/ of a panic attack. I've been on these for over five years and each year gets better than the last (and I use Less of these medications) because of these medications. Maybe it's because I was taught this "skills before pills" logic, I don't know, all I know is that benzos have a place. And its place is in my cabinet and my purse when I need it in my most dire moments.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

That’s great to hear. It tends to be a problem with regular use. It doesn’t tend to cause those problems with occasional use.

[@SWIFTzTrigger]

With which Benzo have you found that to be the case?

[@DisabledPsychedelica]

I like how the current benzo rhetoric is to generalize the experiences of people who shouldn’t be on benzos as the experience everyone will have. The group of people who benefit and should be on benzos are now erased and stigmatized as drug seeking and addicts. Like it’s also no one’s fault but prescribers, and they’re now normalizing shifting the blame onto the mediation and patients so they don’t have to take accountability. It’s so fuckin unethical and abusive.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

Yes! These idiots spread disinformation which stops doctors from prescribing these live saving medication created for people with srs anxiety’s. They stupidly assume most people pop several a day for months on end and develop tolerance. I’m taken them on and off for years and NEVER developed tolerance. I probably still have a job because of these meds.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

EXACTLY!! I could not have put it better myself!!

[@goldentimes7731]

You're really so genuine & a knowledgeable doctor

[@newhorizonsforfifty2833]

Also, they'll work because that's often the last resort people get to. Resources and services are nothing but hoops and hoops to jump through and you have to live in the county where you get these services, so someone living in SF can't go across the bridge into Alameda County for different services. After 2 years of me dealing with things as best I could and trying to jump through some of these hoops, I just asked my doctor to medicate me, and that did the trick. Long answer short: you want people to get of benzos, make therapy much more readily available and cheap. Talking it out vs. taking a pill? The choice is obvious to me.

[@DJJustyJust]

What a video! great stuff. I have all this in my head already when it comes to sleeping tablets but never had it explained like this before. You two are the best.

[@HawkGTboy]

Good lord, how are these things legal. For most people, “the smartest move is not to play.” It’s like getting yourself stuck in credit card debt, only with your neurochemistry instead of your money.

[@thinkofsomethingcooler]

For ppl who understand the concept of anxiety interest and are considering the risk, I explain the tolerance builds up so fast it’s more akin to a “surprise balloon payment of anxiety interest” at the end of two weeks.

[@Danko_Sekulic]

They are legal, because many of us f***ing NEED them !! Ypu might as well have asked "why are painkillers lega"l!! They can be - and often are - abused as well!

[@lizcaddy6316]

I find the high tolerance on benzos Happens so fast

[@carbonunit]

I was just at the e.r. for having a anxiety attack after taking a Diazepam and she said I was the first person she met that got anxiety from taking benzos

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Three possible causes for this effect jump to mind: 1. “Paradoxical reactions” are not rare, this is when the opposite of the typical effect occurs. 2. Akathesia can be a side effect of these meds (very rare, but Jordan Peterson is a famous example and I’ve seen it my my practise). 3. I’ve come across people with ptsd that become freak out when they relax because they feel they need to be hypervigilant to be safe.

[@Samanthajustinapoliti]

What about people that suffer crippling anxiety and panic disorder and antidepressants don’t work and the only option left is ECT and you don’t want your brain fried

[@Butterflywishes-rf9dt]

Hi if you dont mind me asking you how are you coping with your crippling anxiety? And have you found the right medicatuon that works fir you? what would you say to a Dr. forcing you to undergo ECT Treatments? I appreciate your help 🥰

[@Samanthajustinapoliti]

@@Butterflywishes-rf9dt Hi Belinda to be totally honest nothing has worked except for Xanax or alprazolam I have have been on every antidepressant out there and other medication, I don’t know what Country you are from but if you go into hospital voluntarily they cannot force ECT on you I am to scared to get it as I have firsthand have seen what it does to people that’s what scares me…. So bottom line is I am not coping with it and the medication that does help Doctors are now not allowed to prescribe it….

[@Samanthajustinapoliti]

@AudreyLeon-hs6xj Hi that would be great if you could….. thank you so much for sharing this information

[@lyndayates7533]

I absolutely love the truth in your video's. It saddens me while also giving me hope. May I ask? I have sleep narcolepsy. Normally I would sleep 11 to 13 hours a night with naps during the day. My psychiatrist prescribed me Xanax and I've been on them neatly 30 years. I was suffering severe anxiety and these Xanax made me feel normal. That was 1994. In 2009 I was missing my son and not really paying attention as my psych Dr asked me "How was my sleep?" Well I kind of just shrugged because I was mostly thinking of my son. I was prescribed 50 mgs of seroquel. Then each time I went back it was upped until I was taking 600 whopping mgs as well as 6 Xanax per day. The seroquel ruined my health and my sleep. It made me hallucinate at high dose and when given intravenously. I've only recently gotten off of the seroquel at the end of October 2022. It was hell but so was being on it. I'm midway in my 3rd month getting off of it. Now I figured I'd just live with the Xanax at my age but what you're saying is so true. A 1 mg tablet does only last about 4 hours and often I feel as though a pill will immediately have the opposite effect as in its not sedating anymore but actually causing anxiety. I'm not getting any sleep w/o the Xanax so my question to you is how do I come off of this after nearly 30 years of daily use? Having never dealt with the anxiety it's a scary thing as well as not being able to sleep at all. Is there any hope for me? My Dr each time offers yet another psych med. They affect me terribly. Idk why or how people could treat each other this way with these medications. I truly miss the days of the sleep narcolepsy when I would yes sleep too much but also the best dreams. I loved my sleep but it's rare now. These drugs have had a negative effect on my sleep narcolepsy as well and I don't know who to go to as I've so little trust now. Seems like I've been off of the seroquel for so long but I'm only on month 3 and the damage it's done hurts me deeply. I feel shame for trusting a Dr. I feel embarrassed I was so stupid to have made this choice to harm myself so badly. My biggest problem has always been motivation so I always seem to fall short. And I don't want to die because I trusted a Dr with a medication I shouldn't have. I didn't know and I wasn't told and I certainly wasn't a sober person on both these drugs. Horrible side effects and loss of so much life. Thank you again for reporting real truth.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

NOT MEDICAL ADVISE: Yes there is hope. Different doctors have different approaches to starting these meds. A common approach is: (1) Prescribe a low dose sedating med. (2) then when tolerance occurs increase the dose repeatedly until (3) dose can’t be increased anymore, so shrug shoulders. The predicament: The problem with xanax is the rapid offset which makes slow dose reduction difficult, rebound anxiety/panic is common on rapid reduction of dose. Many doctors switch people to a long acting med like diazepam (of equivalent dose) then slowly taper that. Slowly. It’s a slow process and it’s no picnic.

[@lyndayates7533]

@@thePSYCHcollective thank you. Yes my Dr was talking about longer acting benzo's but I hear they're harder to come off of. It would be nice to sleep more than 4 hours. As I've gotten off of the seroquel my dopamine is supposed to be improving in the 3 months time. I hope to see improvements starting soon anyway. I can't imagine even living w/o my Xanax. I'd rather shed that skin while I'm alive. I take other drugs too so they all effect each other in concert. I'm in my 60s. Coming off of the seroquel was so bad. The seroquel will kill you. Pancreas attacks. My heart. Every night I'd wonder if I would die. Terrifying dreams. 123 lb weight gain. They removed my GB and I still have pancreas attacks. Nothing wrong with my GB at all. I've only just quit smoking. The less sleep I get the more I smoke and smoking also halves the effect of the Xanax or so I'm told. Don't let this world use you in this way. Trust only yourself. I needed my gallbladder and it was healthy. They put me on another psych drug and after fighting for it for 4 years that drug made me think it must be my GB that's messed up. It was just the drug. Surgeons do surgery. Be careful when you go. It's what they do. All Drs and hospitals give psych drugs primarily now so that's what they do. I myself would rather take an opioid for pain any day than a psych pill. I hate drugs that make the mind not feel instead of what's hurting. It's hard not to hate. Happy for another day. You have a nice day.

[@lukejames1552]

There is no truth in this video it's All propaganda do you stop people that need to have benzos to function because they have severe anxiety, some people are good being on them long term, they rather give is SSRI's which are far more dangerous.

[@shonablackthorn806]

I never asked for Diazapan, as usual the doctor just wrote out a script and told me this would calm me after losing 4 family to suicide. I moved to another state and went to another doctor who subscribed more Diazapan... that was twenty years ago. Noe i am trying to taper off at 73 years. My fault? The doctors never explained the side effects and in the condition i was in i didn't ask because i trusted the doctors...Why don't Doctors explain???

[@sharonendler1467]

it wasn’t your fault

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

They don't have the time. There are patients waiting.

[@anaussieinvietnam]

There are too many variables to conclude that this thesis is the outcome 100% of the time. My first argument is that the drug allows for a good sleep. Good sleep is a preventative of anxiety. So, irregular use of this drug has enormous benefits to preventing the onset of anxiety episodes. In my case, I operate on around 4 x 5mg doses a week, mostly within 2 hours of bed time. I dont take it every day. i dont take it for longer periods where I know its not needed, like when I am on holidays or have not had bad dreams for a week... I also dont take it if I have consumed more than one alcoholic drink. .. I been using it almost a year and it has done wonders. I am not dependent on it (I have had periods of a week or more where I had no need to take it), but I do use it irregular and at need to moderate rest and prevent the onset of an anxiety attack. Against other medications such as Efexor and other SNRI's, Valium is a wonder drug. SNRI's are a death sentence for 90% of users. Once you are on them, it's almost impossible to get off them. Almost killed me when I came off them. Never again will I touch SNRI's or SSRI's..

[@thePSYCHcollective]

The way you are using benzos intermittently is very reasonable. The difficulties/tolerance tends to occur with daily use (But not always).

[@blairsterling6141]

They do not address how extremely physically the brain becomes dependent on these horrible drugs. Then, how grueling and nearly impossible, impossible to taper off these drugs. A benzodiazepine withdrawal is the MOST difficult thing to go through and accomplish. It is 10,000 times worse than hell. 😡😡😡

[@Danko_Sekulic]

Maybe that was YOUR experience, but many of us simply notice that they are no longer effective, and then start reducing them until we stop completely! Sure, we feel like shit, but no worse than we've felt when we first started taking them! Granted, I am talking 1 mg a day in four 0.25 mg doses here, not 10 mg a day for years and years!

[@Carolina_girl86]

I have been on klonopin for 12 years for derealization anxiety. It worked great for 11 years. This past December it stopped working along with my antidepressants. My derealization has been through the roof for 6 months now and my doctor won't wean me off Klonopin and it's only causing me to get worse day by day. I'm going to a detox program this week to get this out of me.

[@shawnlennen7871]

Your doctor won't wean you off slowly

[@Carolina_girl86]

@@shawnlennen7871 no

[@jareddaniel5508]

How are you doing

[@Carolina_girl86]

@@jareddaniel5508 not good only worse

[@jareddaniel5508]

@@Carolina_girl86 im sorry to hear. Did you go detox?

[@IsaiahMatthewBourgard]

As i have been prescribed 1mg of clonazepam a day as needed. I already suffered from panic attacks, muscle twitching/tremors heart palpitations you name it. Which the medication all helps until u build that tolerance. I found taking 2mg “every other day” works best. U get the normal effect and withdrawal doesn’t hit. Taking it every day just doesn’t seem to work for me anymore.

[@MrDcrules]

You all are an awesome team. Bravo! thank you.

[@ralfwashington1502]

Please be careful with these! A friend I knew got sick and had to stop cold turkey. My friend then went scary and was talking to themselves, hearing things that talked to them, and was dizzy. It was freaky to witness a friend totally loose control. DO NOT GO COLD TURKEY.....or if you do have a friend/family member spend the night(s)

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Agree, cold turkey is not just unpleasant/painful, but potentially dangerous. Slow weaning, slow. The longer the duration, generally the slower the wean needs to be.

[@kevincat2]

Cold turkey put me in the ER

[@ralfwashington1502]

@@kevincat2 glad you are okay. Yeah my friend would of wound up there if not for others staying near by and them knowing it was from the drugs. In that state I'm sure cops would of scooped em up if no one was with my friend

[@kevincat2]

@@ralfwashington1502 I HAD to go to the ER, I was seizing voilently.

[@kevincat2]

@@ralfwashington1502 the pain of feeling every bone try to snap itself. And feeling all your muscles trying to rip themselves off the bones.

[@code-52]

It takes the anxiety away, then causes a boomerang effect. The anxiety comes back twice as strong. Try an alpha blocker. It works and is not addictive nor does it affect brain chemistry.

[@Mikolas649]

1973,prescription for valium,2023 doctor decides its dangerous and cuts prescription to 5mg from 10mg.Im still not addicted,but need for Ptsd and anxiety.Go figure,we the patients end up experimenting with more available street drugs.Go figure Mr. DOCTOR

[@MK-pl4fr]

I don’t know why, but I tore many ligaments and tendons due to benzos induced muscle weakness.

[@2needey1]

Hand claw, palsy?

[@MK-pl4fr]

@@2needey1 No, I dislocated my wrists,and tore tendons and ligaments in my hands due to muscle weakness. My hands developed into swan neck deformity suddenly. I have pre-existing subluxation in my wrists, but didn’t have swan neck deformity.

[@tyrel-fg7zf]

​@@MK-pl4frFrom xanax right?

[@MK-pl4fr]

@@tyrel-fg7zf Yes. I have difficulty with using my hands and walking,so I can barely reply. I’m sorry.

[@Masokitsu]

I was prescribed 3 mg of Xanax a day for 6 years and recently stopped taking it. The initial withdrawals were awful but what stuck was this intense air hunger. I thought it was never going to go away and was convinced something was physically wrong with my lungs... I had flipped on forums and saw others were suffering with it for months and even years. It seems like the longer people had taken it the longer their air hunger lasted. Luckily about 3 or 4 weeks I started feeling better but I still have intense anxiety and feel like I need to go back on it but I'm not going to because that'll put me back to square one or even worse. I had no idea this medication caused such intense withdrawal, I thought it was a miracle pill at first. They're cracking down on it in my state because so many people are prescribed it.

[@captainhero3694]

How are you now??

[@miahconnell23]

Thank you for sharing, for real: I say this because I really needed to see that some other ppl were having some of the same peculiar things that I’ve experienced related to this. So, when I say: “thank you for sharing,” I really do mean it 🙏

[@Danko_Sekulic]

3 mg from day one?? What quack have you gone to?? The iniyial doses should never exceed 0.75 to 1 mg.

[@Masokitsu]

@@Danko_Sekulic my roommate is prescribed 60 2mg alpazolam bars per month. 2 bars a day and I've met worse. They have to know their patients aren't taking that many. I'm in FL too so there ya go lol.

[@scrap8930]

My Anxiety is 1000 % worse since I've added 1.5. MG of Ativan to the daily equation. Instead of an intermittent bouts of panic, they are now an every day certainty. Life is now a constant battle to not feel dread.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Sorry to hear. Did that start soon after starting the regular Ativan?

[@scrap8930]

No, it was kind of progressive. I started taking it about a year ago, one .5 Mg. ..once or twice a week. After about 5 or 6 months , I found that taking 2 was much more effective, and thought I'd found the " sweet spot," so to speak. I haven't increased the dosage, but two days turned to three ...four....and suddenly anxiety began to creep it's way in every day. I'm currently in the process of trying to get away with halfing the dose, which I'm able to do sucessfully some of the time(I don't know why)...but other days(most) the anxiety requires the full 2 pills or I feel like I'm losing my mind.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

@scrap8930 there’s info out there on slow down titration, that’s what is often needed. Self care is crucial to stack things in your favour. Timing matters too, delay may be needed if there’s a crisis on. Best wishes

[@sandracairney6007]

Nope, fix title, benzos DO WORSEN Anxiety. Horrible the feeling on and off these drugs eventually. Even when you get off them, if you're like me and hypersensitive then you have serious pain, gastrointestinal problems worse than the most painful stomach you've ever had, on top of that you can't be around people because your brain damaged to the point your brain has no breaking system. Flying mania, the exact opposite of the initial effect of calming your brain Hyper spinning through time and space in free fall just dying to reenter the land of the living again. Don't do these drugs, injuries are understood but not common enough knowledge. I've had cameras in every place you would never want them to be and in the wrong direction, blood tests, heart monitors, you name it, diabetes nope, kidney stones, nope, nada, nothing. No diagnosis and chronic pain. One doc literally said, oh don't worry it's definitely not cancer.. 😲😲 Yes definitely not because looking at your records, you'd be dead by now. You will wish for death if you take these drugs and forget housework, creativity, in fact just washing your own lol things, is a monumental effort because of the high strangeness brain fog. A million thoughts a second and you cannot follow one to doing. Promise everyone, any symptoms you have, ☠️👹 is nothing to what you will have if you take these. It's worse than heroin to come off of so just imagine that, fancy something worse than smack to feel better?

[@Toddington444]

I think it is the end of the story... If you haven't taken it for anxiety, you're probably someone who doesn't get proper sleep. If you take it at night, you sleep well, and you dont overthink. Just be responsible with it.

[@lauriina85]

Can brain lock be a symptom from benzo and tapering? Have used them as prescriped because I had terrible panic attacks and after my dog had to put to sleep at the age of 16. Doctor prescriped a big amount of oxazepam and didn't warn me. Few tapers were too quick. When I did crossover from oxazepam to diazepam brain lock went away nyt came back because too quick taper. I am now prescriped klonopin but it didn't help and I said to my doctor that I think I suffer withdrawl even don't taper and want to taper with Ashton manual and she was willing to read it and we started yesterday. I feel afraid all the time that the lock doesn't go away. It's awful to wake up that feeling. I want my life back. Am grateful if you read this and answer.

[@annaberg1200]

How are you doing today?

[@craftygirl17]

What is brain lock, never heard of this.

[@lauriina85]

@@craftygirl17 Feels like your brain is shut down. And don't understand a simple thing and become overwhelmed of any normal things. Like a brain fog but worse.

[@lauriina85]

@@annaberg1200 Bad. Tapering and having brain lock every moment. Can't be with anybody. Fear of everything. Was so confident active social person and now i'm alone mostly because I tell my hell all the time to my loved ones and feel like I am in a different reality from other people. How are you?

[@lauriina85]

@@craftygirl17 I heard it has a real term, cognitive fog or cognitive decline and that many have suffered it during benzo, tapering and after.

[@ronnyclayton194]

Just cutting from 6mg of klonopin after 12 years for seizures to 4mg a day over a few months has bothered me mostly mentally and eventually physically for a year especially if I run low or out at the end of every month.Its just so hard to adjust after 12 years so long to be on the same dosage and have it messed with.

[@frankk1512]

Stick to it Ronny! Slow the taper if its too much

[@newhorizonsforfifty2833]

God is Good that you are still here after all that you have had to endure. I'm always startled by stories of people who use an anti-anxiety medication at as strong a dose as you say, which is 6-12x stronger than my anxiety medicine.

[@thinkofsomethingcooler]

Yes I agree with the first reply! I did it after 10 years! It’s doable. I had plateaus and would stop the taper but when I was strong enough I’d plan to go back on the taper and stick to it, and I did. It may be slow going but it’s doable. I promise you. And eventually it’ll be over. And you’ll be glad for it!

[@Defiler151]

4 weeks of Benzodiazepines together with SSRI (I kept taking SSRI) really helped me get back on track. They really helped me, stop the stigma

[@cuekinaja]

What stigma? Take all the pills you want. Nobody will stop you.

[@TheFoxyRedFox]

I encourage you to keep taking them to see what happens (you will regret)

[@MK-pl4fr]

I tore many ligaments and tendons due to benzos induced muscle weakness.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Can you tells us more, I’m not familiar with that phenomena?

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Sounds terrible

[@thinkofsomethingcooler]

@@MK-pl4fr I had similar problems but very quickly. Not even after long term usage. It did eventually get better though once I got off. How are you feeling now? Tendon tears take a long time to heal.

[@MK-pl4fr]

@@thePSYCHcollective Benzodiazepines are strong muscle relaxers,so benzodiazepines could weaken and worsen not only muscle but also tendons and ligaments. So I tore many muscle,tendons and ligaments from head to toe due to muscle weakness induced by benzodiazepines.

[@MK-pl4fr]

@@thePSYCHcollective Benzos relax muscle. Long term use of muscle relaxer caused joint instability to all over my body, and I tore many ligaments and tendons.

[@Pari_Pixie]

Howcome I’ve been taking clonazepam for the past 9 years (minus during my pregnancies) and I never had this issue? 🤔

[@thePSYCHcollective]

If you are on a small dose and it’s not gone up that’s great: it’s often the case that the dose goes up which makes rebound anxiety worse.

[@mistermysticmusic3307]

Same. Jackie

[@Carolina_girl86]

@@thePSYCHcollective how do you reverse these effects? Meaning you develop a tolerance to Klonopin and it makes you feel bad like how you did before you started?

[@rhysh2639]

The problem with benzos is people use them to AVOID the anxiety. The more you avoid anxiety, the worse it gets. You need to learn how to face and accept the anxiety and let it run it's course. The teachings of Claire Weekes have helped many people completely recover from anxiety problems. It's not easy, but it's much better in the long run. If you are already on these drugs, NEVER stop cold turkey. Always taper off slowly at the advice of a medical professional.

[@tammysims8716]

No offense intended, but with the immeasurable suffering for the person trying to get off the benzodiazepines, which is life threatening, the lady's silly comments and inability to behave as a professional in this discussion, shows a great lack of understanding regarding the severity of this epidemic. She does a dishonor to the people, like Dr. Jordan Peterson, and others, who know personally the absolute hell on earth benzos cause.

[@misanthropist3877]

works for me but i only use it maybe twice a week have done for 4 years and never gone above what i take the trick is to eat and have a good sleep the panic never comes back like this man explained on the chart it saves me from ringing the ambulance in panic and that is a good thing cbt emdt group threapy anti depresents dont work for me

[@marylawson9524]

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[@AussieBattler46]

The ladies question at 11:13 is a classic example of an Academic that’s obviously never taken a Benzo in her life . What a ridiculous concept, no skills are going to Reduce anything further if you have a true dependence on benzos. it consumes your life until it’s under control. You’d have to switch to a long acting benzo if your not on one already . Stabilise for a length of time on a benzo stabilisation program, and reduce under guidance from likely a clinical nurse specialist who will dispense the medication for you and ensure your physically and psychologically ok as it’s both these play a big part once your hooked on these . Also coming off benzos if you have been on them for a long duration of time, it’s that last little bit that’s the hardest part , and it can make you super moody and agitated, and likely something like olanzapine will be needed to combat the mental side of coming off benzos in the short term . Sure learning skills will help , but not when your messed up on benzos . You learn skills once your off this crap .

[@Theforsakenmedia]

This is such a narrow-minded thought process. I've been on clonazepam for years, same dosage and i have had plenty of progress with therapy. I no longer have depression which I used to struggle a lot with and my overall anxiety has gotten much better. Clonazepam was a lifesaver for me. Without it I don't think i would have been able to even start therapy and i certainly wouldn't have been able to live a normal life. Just because YOUR experience is one thing doesn't make it true for everyone. Benzodiazepines especially long acting ones have been proven in study after study to NOT cause tolerance to the amnesic and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) effects. You do build tolerance to the anticonvulsant and hypnotic effects though so they're not the best when used for insomnia. It's alarmists like you that could end up getting this class of drug banned and then many who would benefit wouldn't be able to receive rhe benefits. Some people therapy and antidepressants dont work for their anxiety. Then what? Gabapentinoids have just as bad of a withdrawal as benzodiazepines and they're the only other option besides alcohol and gaba-b agonists which are easier to overdose and die on and also cause a horrible withdrawal. Benzodiazepines are actually the least damaging of all of those options. They're well tolerated, hard to overdose on and aren't as sedating as their predecessor the barbiturates.

[@arjanpetersen]

No dude....

[@alfiewhitson7726]

@@arjanpetersen are you dismissing the initial comment in the thread or what Bloodraven 89 just said ?

[@AussieBattler46]

@@alfiewhitson7726 yes he is

[@AussieBattler46]

@@Theforsakenmedia well it’s my opinion and it’s also my opinion that people like you who have been taking a benzo for years tells alot . Good luck experiencing the other side of the coin if the doctor stops filing your script . Unless you’ve been through a full blown benzo withdrawl . You have no idea ..... anyone can pop a pill each and every day and say “ these drugs aren’t dangerous “ . It’s when you try and stop . Benzos definitely have a place . I’m on diazepam regularly but only take for a few days then stop . There’s no way I’ll ever become dependent to this medication again. If your taking it every day for years your in for a mighty fine journey ..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5fUfpttpd2WbMk

[@annaberg1200]

I have low dose addiction. So I experience anxiety every day! This is hell!

[@AMG749]

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[@AMG749]

Text me i am going through one as well 10th day off

[@annaberg1200]

@@AMG749 I've tried with cbd oil but don't find it helps

[@TammysCoffeeTalks]

I take valium for my anxiety and it helps me very much so

[@jonharry6293]

Used when needed they are fantastic!

[@HeyJoeHaze]

I only take 5mg total of Valium a day for years and never needed to up my dose. I'm not chasing a high at all nor have I felt rebound anxiety from this low dosage.

[@Theforsakenmedia]

This is my point. Everyone acts like benzodiazepines are this evil class of drug where you'll need more and more and more to get the same effect. Benzodiazepines are actually one of the classes of drug where evidence has shown that tolerance to the amnesic and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) properties don't usually occur especially with long acting benzodiazepines like Valium (diazepam), Klonopin (clonazepam) & Librium (chlordiazepoxide). Many people take the same dose for decades and never need an increase in dosage. Even Xanax being short acting, i know someone who was on Xanax for 25 years and never increased their dosage past 2mg a day.

[@op-gh8hz]

@@Theforsakenmedia lmfao that’s him. if ur looking for xanax just to fix ur problems then ur prescribed dose will work but if ur searching a high u will need to keep increasing ur dose

[@artesia123456]

I have been taking bromazepam 1.5 mg in morning and 1.5 mg at 3 pm since more than 20 years. Doctor prescribed me this benzo for major panic attacks. I take Zoloft too since then. I did not know much about benzos. And my dose of benzos has remained more or less the same since I started taking it. I would add 1.5 mg or 3 mg during panic attack or while flying. Now since 6 months ago my new psychiatrist said that we need to tapper off benzos exactly because of the same reason which is explained in this video. I was terrified to hear this. I was too dependent on it and was very scared to tapper off. But she said that you are getting anxiety with same dose. And now the amount of time the effect of this medicine stays in my body is lowered slowly. And once the affect fades away you will have more anxiety than when you took the pill. So this needs to be stopped otherwise the dose will keep increasing. She increased the dose of zoloft to cover my anxiety and staring tappering off the benzos. As expected after 1 month when we reduced my dose till 50% I had a relapse and needed to take the same dose which I was taking all my life. I think I should try water benzo way in which we put 300 ml water in a glass and put the daily dose in it and stir it. And lower the dose from syringe my 1 mm everyday. And take the dose in my case twice a day. Please anyone help me by advising any other way. I am extremely anxious person. Thanks

[@commentscopyrightattorney5543]

@@artesia123456 If i were you and i know i have crippling anxiety and I've taken a certain drug for 20yrs i wouldn't even need to stop, I'd take it all the way to the grave.

[@artesia123456]

@@commentscopyrightattorney5543 I hope not. I will keep trying.

[@Toshiaomaxwell]

Diazupam and alprazulam is so hard to withdrawal, even if we eat one our body is sweating and cold zanax is so bad ,patient should understand it

[@ellemeno0]

Is it inevitable that you will have that rebound or does one-time use sometimes give a reset in which your brain is reminded of this non-anxious state and is able to better cope? Also, does taking the supplement GABA or Theanine have a rebound effect?

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Theoretically there’s always a rebound with compounds (like Benzos) that interact with GABA receptors in the brain. But with occasional use, the impact of the provoking stressor resolving is much greater than the impact of the rebound. With regard to oral GABA or oral Theanine it’s not clear to the extent that these compounds act directly or indirectly on GABA receptors. There’s debate as to whether these supplements make it into the brain or of their effect occurs elsewhere. If they exert their putative effect by interacting with GABA receptors in the brain, then they should cause rebound. But they may have other mechanisms- it’s not clear.

[@tyrel-fg7zf]

​@@thePSYCHcollective100mg of valium a day for 10 years works good

[@sebaldwin12]

3 mg of alprazolam a day seems to do the trick I can even break them in half a lot. None of that rebounding. It's called maintenance. Diazepam has a very long half life alprazolam is fast. Clanazepam has a long acting effect. I think it's all about taking it sparingly as needed (prn)

[@Danko_Sekulic]

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[@robinmarketaccess]

Try not speaking over each other all the time like you are at the pub and you will get your point over more effectively. When using Diazepam for alcohol withdrawal (usually a taper off, of 4-5- days) how long then does it take GABA/GLUTAMATE to return to normal levels.

[@Masterfailure-b7i]

They’re both bad but if you have to use one use the valium. It doesn’t leave your system as quickly as Xanax. So you don’t get the steep drop off were you can’t adjust as quickly to not having it in your system

[@dilwich]

I was up to 100mg of Valium a day along with 3 bottles of wine . . . . . Didn't end well.

[@iamthefiremanjj]

I bet omg

[@Danko_Sekulic]

You are lying !

[@Danko_Sekulic]

You'd be dead!

[@liverpudlian6205]

Im addicted to benzos and my doctor wont help me whatsoever i find this disgusting especially when it was a doctor that got me addicted to them

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

Doctors are incentivised to hand out such medication. I'm not implying that that was his/her intention but Doctors like everyone else have mortgages, bills and what have you.

[@liverpudlian6205]

@@australiaprisonisland9156 they shouldn't have give them in the first place I took my doctor to court and won 😂😂who's laughing now

[@liverpudlian6205]

@@australiaprisonisland9156 I have a mortgage and work. So what are you saying

[@GOODZ7777]

i only use it for alchohol withdrawl which has gone worse. so much brain fog, disassociation, no motivation for like 4 days after

[@marylawson9524]

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[@SA-gf3th]

Benzo are best to control my anxiety and anger. But they stop working very quickly. So i don't get to have them for long time. SSRI don't work because idk.. i tried TCAS but they increase my anger outbreak

[@michaelosullivan4989]

I rather die young happy than terrified and can't function

[@dixiepittenger3960]

I have been on both Valium and Xanax and I was not addicted to them BUT was denied them when they were the only ones that worked for ME this is wrong I AM NOW not ON ANYTHING

[@blablablabla542]

What if I use it during exposure therapy, eg I cant public speak, but if I use it for my fortnightly presentation that I need to give to 20+ people then after 5 or 6 presentations I could try and give one without any meds.

[@mariosandoval9290]

Ive tried everything. Prozac , zoloft etc and they dont work for me. Plus i dont like the side effects. Im on buspar right which works somewhat better but i still get horrible panic attacks. Sometimes i end up in ER. The only thing that actually works for me is alprazolam. I dont take daily only when i need it. Maybe once , twice every 2 weeks tops. Only half mg. I dont feel the need to take it more and i have not felt dependent on it. Days or weeks go by and i dont think about taking it. Is this safe ? I mean i dont want to get hooked but this particular system works for me.

[@brandicash7877]

I’m not a doctor, but from what you’re describing you take alprazolam for a panic disorder in a proper way.

[@amoelle5771]

What about cycling Valium/benzos, alcohol, and something else like THC every few days so there’s less of a chance for us to build tolerance to any of them. Honest question. I’m not seeking a high, I’ve just been prescribed Valium after using alcohol all last year to deal with my anxiety/depression.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Some people do a kind of sedative rotation: Benzos then “antipsychotics” then clonidine etc. it’s all rough on the system and may mean one can’t feel engaged with life. A better approach would be to learn some ways of reducing ones sensitivity and becoming expert in anxiety modulating skills. Not easy, but might be preferable to constant states of sedation. We’ve got other clips and sensitivity and anxiety modulation and a booklet on our website which has some helpful resources. But it all takes work, so working with a psychologist to develop these skills might be necessary. Using meds as a temporary scaffold is reasonable. But long term sedation is not ideal.

[@marylawson9524]

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[@ethancowart6765]

how often can you take a dose of benzodiazepine per week safely , without getting into problems like dependence and withdrawal. is it safe to say 2-3 doses per week . and be ok or is that even pushing it ?????????

[@thePSYCHcollective]

@Ethan Coward There’s a great deal of variation. It’s not clear where the threshold is. Some people can take them from time to time with no problems at all. Rarely people can get akathesia from a few doses. Probably 2-3 times a week is okay in many, but not in all. Despite what some of the comments imply taking it daily for extended periods will likely result in tolerance/withdrawal on cessation.

[@ethancowart6765]

@@thePSYCHcollective appreciate the reply. Ok I understand what you mean. Unfortunate that is can vary from person to person. Wish there was more of an solid answer. So a couple of doses a week should be ok. As long as I’m carful and keep it at low dose. I have one more question. How long would daily dosing take to get dependent/withdrawals. From Xanax . That takes .5mg - 1mg . A day. I’ve heard some it will take up to 12 weeks . And some say just 2 weeks. How long in your clinical experience would that take . ? Thanks. Just want ur thoughts on that . If the person is an adult with fully matured brain to. Cuz I know the younger you are the faster it will happen usually.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

From what I’ve seen clinically: Xanax is the worst of the benzos. People experience rapid deep relief from anxiety. But it wears off fast an there is usually a rebound effect which makes people more edgy and more prone to panic. That happens from a single dose and seems to last for a day or two, until inevitably people take another one and continue the cycle. I don’t prescribe it.

[@ethancowart6765]

@@thePSYCHcollective yes. I’m currently prescribed Xanax though and I’m trying to figure out how I can safely take them without experiences any withdrawals/or dependence. Because they do help if I have to go to family get together where there will be a lot of people or like drs appointments or dentist appointment for instants. Just try to get a good idea from someone with experience that will know roughly. Cuz I like how they are just in and out of my system pretty quickly and I know for a fact they are going to give me the rapid relief when I need them. I’ve never had a benzo poblem dependence before. But I just don’t wanna get myself into one of those situations either I’ve heard it can be bad. Just trying to figure out what the limits of the amounts of doses I can take per week or per month without any issues . Cuz I know for sure I cant take them everyday.

[@ethancowart6765]

@@thePSYCHcollective but thanks it was nice hearing that you said people do and can take them from time to time with no problems at all . that's a relief I think im like that . cuz there are some vids where they make it seems like it you start taking it your doomed to addiction, but I don't think that's the case . thanks

[@czr7j9]

I am on 3x clonazepam a day for a least 7 years and every time i try to taper even slowly becomes a nightmare 2 weeks after the taper, my anxiety goes thru the roof i can't think straight. I have never increased my dose and never really noticed tolerance but still get anxiety as i did when i first started it.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

That sounds terrible. How slowly do you taper?

[@AMG749]

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[@robj057]

Does resolving the original underlying issue counteract tolerance build up? I would like to hear from people who have had this experience.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Tolerance is a complicating issue. Even if the underlying cause of the anxiety is resolved the adaptation to the Benzos can make stopping Benzos difficult, a rebound anxiety with stopping them can be a reason why people end up taking them long term.

[@chookvalve]

@@sandykafu1446 hilarious. Thats 20 x the price you pay in Australia. You must be desperate.

[@sebaldwin12]

I do. I have been in 3 mg of alprazolam a day for 12 yrs and 3 mg a day Clonazepam a day for 4 years before that. I believe a certain patient population can and does use benzodiapines in a way that is helpful.

[@andrewkennan2897]

What is drug like for panic disorder and FND

[@newhorizonsforfifty2833]

Could and will are not the same thing. All benzos are not equal, and not all benzos belong on the same plane.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Many people are not affected. Many are.

[@Frankincense_]

Can medical cannabis help? As an alternative?

[@puckerbutton7025]

yes and no high THC levels can make it worse...use CBD

[@puckerbutton7025]

i use medical cannabis and its not a cure all in terms of anxiety sometimes i get pretty bad panic attacks while medicated

[@christiangrey7979]

Canibus, exercise, and diet is all anyone needs once detox is over.

[@christiangrey7979]

there's actually no end. Mediation, rea more good books, learn do deal with anxiety on your own as literally billions of humans do. Anxiety, for one, can push the mind the a place where you say (without even knowing) "how can I fix this? what's causing my anxiety?" Followed by that realization, many people naturally, find ways to improve their life without medication. If you can have more faith in yourself, tough it out through some tough times, eat well, sleep, well, think positive, and exercise even if its 10-15 minutes a day. Get fresh air. Now the conclusion: I am prescribed 60 2mg Xanax bars a month along with 60 2mg Subutex. I have been mostly tryin to save most of my Xanax bars for the apolocalypse, but that's easier said than done. I don't take any of the Subutex except in a blue moon if I feel like gettin fucked up.. I take Kratom instead...lol I like it better no joke. Never did dope. Did a shit load of roxys (perc 30s, blues). First time offered Xanax was well over ten years ago from my old Kush connect he would bring 300 sticks back with my quap. I turned him down at first I just liked my Kush. So I took a bag of the sticks w the kush..it's spotted anyway, but its no drama like that -im on point. Yo ahah its funny as hell first time takin em my boys came to me like yoo bro no more those things, I dont remember the last month mannn..... next week..." yo where those bars at?" ahah oh xanax. wish I never started but whatever i got a script plus another that ppl would murder for. soweeeeeeeee

[@christiangrey7979]

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[@clintparsons3989]

Temazepam seems much more popular in Australia than America.

[@chrisrayner4068]

Try living with the fear and stress of seven years of ritualistic sexual abuse as a child - so sick of this . nest time I go to a doctor and told no I'll look for a truck .

[@8356-4]

I took valium everyday for 15 years and never took more than I should and it worked great. My doctor stopped it one day, said it was bad for me, and then eventually I started drinking alcohol for anxiety and now alcoholic. Worst thing that ever happened. BTW antidepressants don't work for anxiety. None of them!

[@deus3404]

very helpful! keep up the good work!

[@marksmith5468]

after yrs of taking halcion my dad is a mess. hes off it now. what can he take for anxiety thats not bad for him.

[@anahitafaridmarandi4209]

What skills exactly they mean?

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[@anatino]

Is it safe .5mg Lorazepam every other day, for couple weeks?

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Probably fine, but it depends what you mean by safe. I’d say that short term use to get through something very difficult where there’s an end in sight is quite safe. That dose is low so the risk is quite low. Rebound symptoms shouldn’t be too much of an issue. A risk is that it ends up becoming regular/long-term use and tolerance then causes the dose to go up/rebound to get worse.

[@frederickhewlett9044]

Ativan is an evil drug ,speaking as a 10 year former user ,get far away from it as soon as possible ,,,,,,,, good luck !!

[@tyrel-fg7zf]

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[@matthewireland4483]

Thank you for providing this discussion. This is a super challenging area that intersects psychology and physiology.

[@Nick_80599]

The same thing happens with Antidepressants but in a very much lower time scale, you start off on 15mg Mirtazipine and before you know it your on 45mg and then off-licence doses of 60mg. Just to add I started off on Quetiapine the Antipsychotic for treatment of schizophrenia and I started on 50mg and it stops working after some time and the psychotic episodes are worse than before, so that's increased to 100mg, I'm now on 800mg a day with the same cycle. So imagine if I stop the Quetiapine now i would end up sectioned. Benzodiazepines are least of people's worries, just wait until the long term use of todays modern Antipsychotics and Antidepressants are fully understood. it's gonna be an epidemic of mental health issues which will be difficult to treat.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

Yeah they fail to mention Paxil withdrawals which are the worst of all.

[@Nick_80599]

@@wulfsorenson8859 Paxil/Seroxat/Aropax generic name Paroxetine is pretty much the same as the rest of them, if you have been switched to various ones you'd know. The reason why people think Paxil is bad is because Glaxo Smith kline put on the patient leaflet that comes with this drug "Remember, you cannot become addicted to this drug". People assumed you could stop using it instantly, not at all, anything to do with the mind including Gabapentin and Pregabalin will cause withdrawal symptoms if you stop them abruptly. The shorter the half life, the worse the withdrawals and the quicker they kick in. This means Fluoxetine/Prozac would be the best to switch to if you wanted to quit Paxil. People report that withdrawal symptoms kick in sometimes up to a week later, whereas Paxil, you only need to miss a single dose and you get them badly

[@worldpeace9566]

How are you doing know.

[@Laura_Selig]

I’m on clonazepam 0.5mg x 3 times a day for past 8months. How would you recommend I taper? Would you swap to a longer acting benzo like Valium first and then taper or just slowly taper off the clonazepam? And if so how slowly?

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

You won't get free advice here especially from a GP. They're not incentivised to do so. Perhaps make an appointment.

[@glassdefjaw1]

I think I’m in what they call tolerance withdrawl right now over the last almost two months from 0.25mg klonopin for the last six months I have hightened anxiety, palpitations, hyperventilation, and a very bloated stomach that won’t go down I don’t know what to do going forward because it doesn’t seem to light up, and I refuse to up the dose

[@michelebergman4336]

That lasts for years???? I’m 3 years off & my stomach still looks like Santa Clause ??

[@michelebergman4336]

It’s not Withdrawels...it’s BRAIN & HORMONE Damage??? Takes years to heal

[@Walsh25]

If you can get off your a .25 start tapering talk to doc get off or you’ll hv to up dose and then you’ll hit tolerance again not too long down road be careful don’t just quit taper🙏✅

[@clap2myownbeat]

Hi Natalie. Can you give us an update please

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

I prescribe Heroin on the street corner yet could potentially face severe criminal charges. If I am caught what'll happen to my patients. They'll go into withdrawal. Some might not make it. I prescribe Benzo's from my medical practice yet face no ramifications. I'm always there to prescribe more if needed. Some might not make it otherwise.

[@drewb1263]

"People are like that is amazing i love it" - briliant understanding of how this is haha

[@thePSYCHcollective]

1:40

[@epjackson6223]

Cool documentaries

[@masoomasyed1889]

Lady you are tripping me out.

[@marylawson9524]

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[@ofrahmy2823]

This was a great video! the explanations were very clear and easy to follow

[@elainebezak7158]

How do you do benzos withdrawal??

[@ofrahmy2823]

@@elainebezak7158 lower your dose gradually

[@elainebezak7158]

@@ofrahmy2823 thx, appreciate your input.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

@elaine bezak Ideally one formulates a plan with their doc. The longer the duration one has been taking it, the longer it seems to take especially if the dose has crept up. Timing matters too: trying to wean Benzos is not easy, so perhaps best not to try during a crisis. But there’s never a perfect time.

[@elainebezak7158]

@@thePSYCHcollective just found the PC on KZbin. It’s just what I’m looking for. Thx for taking the time to answer. I have been taking 5 mg of Xanax for Over 10 years. Started at 6 mg. Went down to 5 with Dr help. Been at 5 since. Also, thx for the tip on not withdrawing in a crisis. Thx 🌟

[@frankreiserm.s.8039]

I am 52 years old and have generalized anxiety disorder, which means that I get anxiety when everything is fine. However, now I have a criminal record and no company will hire me. I live with my mother, who is 79, and I take good care of her. I have anxiety and worry about what is going to happen to me when she dies. i will not inherit much, and I am worried about becoming possibly homeless. But I am a Christian. I believe that my anxiety about my future is ignorant because I am actually worried that God is not going to get my future right. How silly to worry. We think that the worst thing that is going to happen to us is death. But, when we die, and have accepted through faith Jesus Christ as our savior, we are going to wonderful Heaven and not Hell forever. So, when I worry, I think of that. I had a secular course in high school on the world religions and the reason why I chose to become a Christian is because Christianity is the only major world religion that says that we needed a perfect, sinless sacrifice to die for our sins. An animal will not do it, for when Satan fell, all of creation fell with him (life is survival of the fittest, animals eating other animals, decay and death in life). God came down to earth in human form (God incarnate), healed people, talked about love and God, and was executed by foolish mankind. God, on the cross, said "forgive them for they know not what they do." Then he died, and descended into Hell, but rose from the dead and entered Heaven, conquering death so that whoever believes in this and puts his faith in Jesus to forgive them of their sins will be forgiven by God. God is perfect, so He has to judge sin, which is eternal separation from Himself--Hell. As a Christian, I will still sin because the Bible says that "the spirit is strong but the flesh is weak." It is only after I die that I will receive a glorified, ever-living angelic body. So, remember all of this when you feel anxious.

[@ralfwashington1502]

I'm with you there worrying is not needed. Gods in control but also struggle with this. Shrinks are there for a reason. I perfer to talk it out rather than take a pill but I do use natural supplements that help ALONG with therapy. Telling yourself it's a sin will only make you more angry and worse off. Instead pray for help finding help. Don't beat yourself up. You are no more a sinner than I and that's why he died. It is more of a sin to sit and worry and do nothing about it wallowing in our distress. However trying to manage it shows our repetitive behavior and should make you feel better. Don't beat yourself up though keep looking up videos and look for jobs that don't require you to be "trusted" or whatever. If you work from home or as a freight hauler I don't think it would be as big if an issue as if you were to be a teacher or work for a company where you are in people's homes. There has to be jobs that don't care. Heck some floor cleaning jobs or things hire ex cons

[@frankreiserm.s.8039]

@@ralfwashington1502 I just had a job interview at Home Depot and they did not even hire me even though I was qualified. But, God has a plan for me that is for good, and that could just be staying at home and taking care of my mother who needs assistance now at her age. Thanks for your input, Frank

[@ralfwashington1502]

@@frankreiserm.s.8039 Your welcome. Maybe it is. Pray for guidance. Take care

[@retroonyoutube5402]

GREAT video guys thanks so much

[@idesigncutethings2196]

It's not anxiety. Benzodiazepines eventually cause the movement disorder AKATHISIA. It can take a month, a year, 10 years plus (everyone is different) even if just taking them a few times a month, then it's the "on & off, on & off" (kindling) that finally kicks in the brain injury. Or someone will take them a few years, even sporadically, then maybe not take them for several years at all, then take them again. You can only do that so many times before you have to "pay the piper" - which is a slow taper then ALOT of time off of the drug to heal. Everyone's threshold is different. I think the safest way these drugs are used are for maybe just a couple of panic attacks over an entire life time to only be taken once each time. Meaning you only take one benzo about 2, 3 or 4x in your life. That means like 4 or 5 pills over the span of a lifetime. But, people who haven't hurt their brains YET will disagree with me, & of course the will. They have no reason not to. They are "unharmed" .... so far. Not a matter of if, but a matter of when. It's not a drug addicts drug. Once the gaba receptors are down regulated , you gotta deal with fixing them. People know when it's too late. It's so obvious & awful you can't miss it. Until then they're in disbelief that this drug class is harmful.

[@thinkofsomethingcooler]

Agreed. This should be in all the literature.

[@annaberg1200]

You really scare me!"

[@craftygirl17]

Don’t put so much fear on here, there are people living with debilitating anxiety. You scared Ann and me, shame on you.

[@thinkofsomethingcooler]

@@craftygirl17 sadly the truth is scary. What’s up there is true and important. Everyone here has to deal with anxiety we do understand that. And it takes a long time to do the research for all this information and then have the courage to talk about it with that crippling anxiety. I hope you’re feeling better and I do sympathize with your position but if that post helps someone to taper responsibly so they don’t get BIND symptoms or lessen their symptoms or even helps someone understand what is actually happening to them, it’s worth it. There are so many meditation videos out there for benzodiazepine takers and anxiety those are good to watch too. They are comforting. I don’t recommend silencing ppl though, bc this information is extremely important.

[@DonPascquale]

how can you say something stupid like this with zero evidence or anything?? take it 4-5 times throughout your lifetime? are you serious? i take tavor for 30 years now, max 2mg per week and i can go weeks and months without it with zero withdrawal effects or anything....you could also say drinking a glas of wine on every friday and saturday evening will eventually make you an alcohol addict its just a matter of time but you never know when its going to happen!!! 😯😨 do you even know how benzos work in your brain? i have no clue where you got this from but its complete nonsense

[@cyborgchimpy]

today is my first day on xanax. I got it from psychiatrist recommended by my psychologist after explaining how I want to use it stop my 15 year long addiction to weed. its the severe anxiety and lack of sleep due that just always made me fail after max a week. this is really like a last resort to me after 2 years of therapy to get myself over that bump. I heard and know a lot about benzo's and xanax and am very careful its only a temporary clutch. I just wanna be normal at this point. everyday I feel like my soul is dying a little bit more. I hope this can help me stop abusing weed to knock me out every night.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

If the xanax causes worse anxiety or panic after about 5h talk to your prescriber about a longer acting benzo.

[@cyborgchimpy]

@@thePSYCHcollective thank you for your reply! its my 2nd day and I am want to almost jump of joy. I haven't had my circling thoughts overwhelm me to the point I start scrolling or pacing around and the pressure in my chest is way way less. I was almost crying the other night because I was so happy that it felt like there might be a way for me not to be so incredibly terrified of everything for the rest of my life. I'm mainly using it to get rid of my addiction because its what I used to deal with it, but also was causing it. thank you for your video and advice, you're doing great work. edit: FYI, I'm using alprazolam. which I found out at home is Xanax

[@salimah2785]

@@cyborgchimpy hey would you be able to message me? I'm just about to be in exactly the same boat as you and I'd really like to know how it's going for you x

[@cyborgchimpy]

@@salimah2785 hey! Well to be fair, right now in this moment I just took a pill for sleep so my writing might be off. It's been 2 and a half weeks in now. And I feel pretty great for how numb and foggy anxious and chronically tired I was. It you smoked anything like the amounts I did you will likely have very bad night sweats for around 2 weeks (they stopped last Wednesday). I started having dreams again. They were very vivid and bizarre, but it's the first ones I've had in years so it was kinda exciting to me. I had started with 2 0.5 mg alprazolam per day. Then with advice I took one extra half pill somewhere in the middle of the day. But in the last few days it's felt like.. I can break one pill just fine for during the day, and have the other half in the evening. I've honestly felt amazing. And strange and surprised. Just many many feelings about all kinds of things. And it's just been great being able to feel things again and feel touched again by all kinds of things. I've had very deep conversations about random things I thought I wouldn't anymore without weed. I am getting my regular hunger back also. I have started hanging out with people again without anxiety. There's still some stuff to learn about how this bee version exactly is going to function more. It's only been 2 weeks. Oh....and there was something I was really proud of. A recent friend of mine apparently smoked pot. I hung with him and he passed a puff. It's never ever in my life been so easy to refuse. Just for real. Just... Focus on just wanting to feel normal. Feeling normal without wanting do just die out of anxiety feels like it's changing my life for the better. I wish you good luck 😊you'll get through the sweat if you get them. Yeah ps: I use what is commonly known as "ambien" for sleep. It's extremely heavy, but I can't otherwise. The sleep might be the most important part of the process

[@sweetvictory3100]

Oh my gosh just no, no to Xanax, it's the reason I'm dying

[@Susiecat24]

Bs If not for benzodiazepines I wouldn’t be free from panic attacks or be able to sleep at night due to childhood trauma. These so called doctors and know it alls need to realize it’s not just how THEY feel about a drug it’s how it actually helps so MANY people.

[@naekcm]

Do SSRI HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Some people get tolerant to SSRIs. Some people get rebound increased sensitivity when they miss them or suddenly stop them. It seems to be a bigger issue with SNRIs. In either case the process seems to take much much longer than it does with benzos.

[@everyeyeshallseehimheislor1545]

Will 1 mg of clonzapam taken once a week cause addiction?

[@thePSYCHcollective]

It’s not likely. But there can still be a rebound effect. If it’s taken to relieve negative emotion AND if it’s the only source of significant positive emotion then frequency of use tends to increase. Then problems can ensue.

[@Playboyracksdepute1900]

Nah Myboy u good just make yo body say no Even do u wanna do it so bad shit feel better People suffer frm this but people that can go without it da weeks and no problem everything good💯

[@Themis33]

I got prescribed 2mg of diazepam for a bad fall as a muscle relaxant. Within 30 minutes of taking it for the first time my mind was full of really random negative thoughts about people i don't like and things from the past when before i took it i was living in the present and calm. Wtf... Just happened.

[@frankk1512]

This would apply to any head med though

[@surplusdivision2461]

I might need to take one of these for teeth work. What are my odds of addiction?

[@HeyJoeHaze]

Taking it only once won't make you addicted to it. People get addicted after taking benzos everyday for weeks at a time.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

On a single dose, it’s not an issue.

[@Theforsakenmedia]

They aren't very addictive. Benzodiazepines are not very addictive in general. Only a small number of people become addicted to benzodiazepines. The issue is more dependence that seems to be the main issue.

[@arjanpetersen]

None

[@Walsh25]

@@Theforsakenmedia ummm I only took Xanax the withdrawal is a living hell - 15 months off can’t function - at all did not abuse at all

[@thesnoozebutton2568]

My dentist wants me to take 10 the night before and another 10 an hour before my procedure.... is that too much? Im.scared and I've never taken it. I don't want to be out of it. Thanks😬

[@thePSYCHcollective]

It’s a reasonable dose for a procedure. But best not to drive!

[@thesnoozebutton2568]

@@thePSYCHcollective ok thank you.

[@marylawson9524]

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[@enos604]

Does this solve neck spasm/tic disorder?

[@cuekinaja]

So benzos don't help and it's better not to take them.

[@priyanevanarnauld5987]

If there is no tolerance develeoped but took 0.25 xanax occaisonally at nights only over 1 year (30pills) during long nights alone , How much rebound Am i predisposed to? And can i stop right off since there is no lower dosages?

[@cry6ix]

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[@craftygirl17]

That’s what I would like to know, I take .25mg of clonazapam every night for the last 10 years plus calcium magnesium through a compound pharmacist so how do you get off the lowest dose. I tried lowering by cutting it in half by a phsychiatrist and my legs felt like jelly the next morning scared me, so I went back up to .25 mg I wish my doctor would of told me 10 years ago the withdrawl effects. And I take 75 mg of Effexor which is not working for me at all the constipation is horrible, I told her that to and I think it causing anxiety and insomnia. I tried tappering to down to the lowest dose a few years ago but was not a good time it was when a family member died by suicide and now I’m suffering ptsd.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

Effexor can make anxiety worse: Why SNRIs like Effexor might worsen anxiety and distress. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5CafaqCaqqgd9U

[@siliconcrayon]

Okay can you please reply ? I was suffering through panic attacks so doc put me on etilaams and i have been taking them for 7 years now. I quite seeing my doctors since they prescribe more and more drugs and honestly i feel better at minimum dosages and pills. However I was on and off with etilaam. I usually take 0.5 mg at night once a day. However I want to quite am I addicted ? is that' is what causing my anxiety ? I need help man this is the wrost thing ever hopelessness and depression and when i was off it i felt the best. Please help i will pay you if you want to but please help me through this anxiety and depression issues please ... i wanna quite pills and be normal. Which i turly believe i can but it's hard when i go through that period of anxiety

[@thePSYCHcollective]

It sounds like a difficult predicament. I’m not familiar with the medication you are taking. I understand it’s a combination of escitalopram (an SSRI see here: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5CafaqCaqqgd9U) and etizolam (a benzodiazepine). Etizolam is not available in my country so I have not experience in using it. I understand that it is very potent and short acting. The combination of short acting and potent often sets up panic due to a rebound effect. I can’t give you any specific medical advise about this drug, but it might be reasonable to discuss with your doctor switching out of the combination pill and substitute the etizolam component for a longer acting benzo such as diazepam in a comparable strength. There then might be scope to slowly wean off the diazepam. It’s something that you really need to discuss with your prescriber. If you are still stuck then you may also wish to consider getting a second opinion.

[@siliconcrayon]

@@thePSYCHcollective Hey I'm really sorry to reply this late. I hope i can be in touch somehow with you or someone. I need help please. I was able to come off Etilaam completely but right now I have started Xanax about .6 Mg a day at night cause the side effects are horrible. I wish to get in touch so that i can heal myself. I want to do it naturally without any Medications now since all they do is (like explained in the video) attacking the same system it does reduce anxiety but Well not fixing my core issues and side effects are just horrible. I'm not as desperate as the last time since i read a lot however i need help. I'm sorry somehow i missed your reply and couldn't get back. I was searching a video and just saw my own comment and then yours. So please let me know if somethings can be done without the medications or at least something without such side effect (memory, sedation, lack of motivation and drowsiness also EDs with sedative medications) I'm a male. Thank you much love and care regardless of the reply

[@michaelosullivan4989]

5 an day i s noting if your off for longeger that 10 days it a big dip to get back

[@TomTom-bc8ez]

My present self hates my past self. Benzos.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

We’re big advocates of self-forgiveness.

[@christiangrey7979]

Canibus.

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

A lesson in the potentials of drug addiction. Legalised drug addiction at that.

[@daviddennington5144]

Is Tamaz as bad as all other benzos?

[@thePSYCHcollective]

It’s an individual thing. Many people metabolise/excrete it slowly. If you are still a little tired in the morning it’s having a long effect. In any case many people get rebound anxiety/edginess by the evening. If you take it every night it can cause neuroadaptation such that some people will find it even harder to sleep than before they started it (once they stop it), unless the cause of insomnia was addressed. Overthinking/worries commonly keep people awake. If that applies to you, you may want to watch our video on how to manage that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqvKkJWsiq-ea80

[@daviddennington5144]

@@thePSYCHcollective What would be the long term effects of taking Temaz say for 25 years? I am sure its harmful - could it lead to death? Thank you for your time in replying.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

@David Dennington Twenty five years. Certainly dependence and withdrawal problems could be an issue. Discontinuation would require slow weaning so as to avoid risk of severe withdrawal problems such as seizures (dose, duration and individual factors modulate that risk). Other long term issues are potentially: *Cognitive impairment *Increased risk of motor vehicle accidents *Hip fracture/falls in the elderly. Some people find themselves taking regular benzodiazepines as a substitute for alcohol to alleviate distress. One could argue that the long term effects of alcohol are worse than the long term effects of Benzos. People choose their poison. To those embarking on benzo use I’d suggest they attempt to look for and address the root cause, lest you end up taking it long term. Anxiety, PTSD, severe stress and Distress are common issues that lead to chronic alcohol/benzo use. Addressing the root causes of those problems means you avoid chronic sedative use and you get your life back.

[@daviddennington5144]

@@thePSYCHcollective Temaz has been taken these 25 years as the only way get some sleep. I fear the problem is the body is in pretty severe withdrawal until the next dose the following evening. This causes the usual symptoms of distress, severe depression and anxiety. So what is the best way to get off Temaz, AND to get to be able to get a night's rest? Is the best way to transfer to Diazapam to ween off or just ween off the Temaz over say six months? But the frightening issue is the insomnia to follow - what then? I DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND ADVICE. THANK YOU.

[@thePSYCHcollective]

@David Dennington I can’t give medical recommendations here as everyone has unique circumstances. With regard to coming off Benzos: In general terms a transition to equivalent dose of diazepam (small fraction in the day, but most at night, but driving etc might complicate that) then a VERY slow reduction in VERY small increments. Might take a many months or longer to achieve). This might require compounding of the tablets into smaller doses sizes and requires input from someone who can support/guide you through the process. With regard to then sleeping. Addressing the root causes: typically it’s thoughts that keep people awake, so the strategy in our Clear Your head before bed video is helpful. Other root causes are anxiety, depression and trauma, so that needs to be addressed. If trauma/nightmares are an issue then one could talk their doc about trying prazosin, or my preferred option clonidine. But dosing every day can lead to tolerance, so alternate day dosing is helpful for some people. Avoiding light at night, undertaking bed restriction and doing intense exercise during the day will increase sleep pressure. You may wish to check out our videos on sleep and PTSD.

[@michaelosullivan4989]

You guys are been ok at that mg

[@dianelindenberger6941]

I am on 1.5 klonopin for sleep if I taper off what can I take to sleep.....help!!!!!!!!!!!!! And my mother died and this is what started it....help !!