Understanding Rotary and Basic Parallel for the Professional, video #1 of 3

[@georgetheyokel]

"The inside ski is the limiting factor of what the outside ski can do!" That sentence of Mr. Veth is the glittering gold!!! There are many other such nuggets scattered in Deb's videos, for example, some words from Bobby Aldighieri. If you really get it, you have an epiphany. Thank Deb and her guest experts!

[@ThePilotsMindset]

Deb, I just would like to express my gratitude for all the videos that you have uploaded throughout the years, you have been so helpful!!!

[@thijsagneessens6941]

I've been a fanatic ski instructor for 11 years now. I train every free hour I have; watched this video, and had a huge breakthrough in my skiing. Thank you so much for this (free!) content, Deb! Cannot wait for the next parts of this series.

[@iandunn9497]

What did you learn, ski two footed and twist them to turn?

[@thijsagneessens6941]

@@iandunn9497 yep, basically using/activating my inside leg aswell. Before my stance would always break down (often downstemming on high performance shorts on steep terrain). Now I feel I've got a lot more tension in my legs and core, and my stance no longer breaks down because of it

[@asta6721]

I sit here, with tears of joy streaming down my face, that finally, there's the acknowledgement of the essential importance of foot pivot. It's what I've been teaching for more than fifty years! Keeping it simple! And as a side note, my dad wouldn't let me ski until I could master sideslipping. That was seventy years ago! Many many thanks to you for presenting Alain. Love all your videos!

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

I’m Happy you are so happy. Careful with the word pivot. Depict slopes fine, Alain is talking about foot and leg steering through rotary, guiding the feet through the path of a turn is different than a pivot

[@JavierSerraltaSanMartin]

This is art, music, poetic skiing techniques so well explained and done.. pure sportive spirit to ski happy, well, natural and safe throughout your life.. like this french genius.. makes it so easy.. easyness is the key.. relaxation.. flowing gentle like a finger on oil.. golden tips and images, thanks

[@GabeWil]

Pure Gold! This type of info and perspective is just not available anywhere else and is such clear and exquisite detail. Thank you for putting this in the public domain.

[@TwoHelmetsDC]

Incredible generosity to release this series to the world! Thanks!

[@coachklane9500]

Oh to have a staff trainer who is as passionate as Alain about their instructors advancement of skill. What a phenomenal clinic captured and edited perfectly! Thank you so much Deb! ❤

[@KeepItBased-v3k]

Absolutely amazing as always. The amount of tips I've been able to obtain and utilize in my own lessons while teaching kids how to ski has helped myself and the skiers that I am teaching tremendously!

[@tabphilip669]

Ah, the teachings of Georges Joubert. Still relevant after sixty years. Truly a man ahead of his time. Great instructional video as well. Still much to learn….

[@richardmclafferty]

The best explanation and demonstration of rotary that I've ever heard/seen -- well done! (and I work at a ski school and have heard a lot of people try and explain it!).

[@astrobeacon]

Just an ordinary, intermediate skier from Europe here. As always, incredibly enlightening and inspiring content. Thank you Deb for bringing this to us! ❤

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

You are welcome

[@chtomek]

It's such an amazing material Deb, the details of skiing technique we learn here can't be found anywhere else. Thank you.

[@daniel221078]

This is one of the most valuable for me personally what to practice next time. Greetings from Germany

[@brucemccheyne4699]

Excellent clinic on hi-performance skiing. This may sound crazy, but with a ice skating background inside edge is just as important and really helped my skiing, just longer edges. Looking forward to this series. Happy New Year .

[@johnpetersen8116]

Thanks very much for sharing these golden nuggets, Deb! I will be using them in lessons and clinics this season!

[@johnpetersen8116]

Parting comments at the end about magnitude are worth listening to. I'm a big fan of Joubert and avalement, revalement movements of old can be made relevant in today's skiing fundamentals language and movement patterns on modern equipment! We are still bipedal human beings...

[@2beCuil]

That’s another gem of a video Deb. As soon as I’m recovered from my ACL injury I’m going to train these exercises.

[@iandunn9497]

Your ACL will need to be 110% recovered before you go down the hill twisting both your skis/knees like is being demonstrated. Ouch just thinking about the pressure they will be under! This would be the last type of technique that will suit recovering knees IMO.

[@williamfox1146]

Alain is an amazing skier. Deb is an amazing ski instructor.

[@johnparchman753]

Alain is awesome!! As an instructor and a Badass tuning genius

[@Moonplant432]

Perfect timing, thanks Deb! My 11 YO daughter mastered "whirly-birds" in December and we a now onto hockey stops, and falling leaf. She can smear continual 360s, either direction at her will. These videos will help cement what she has learned as she transitions to carving. Living in Austin we hit Ski Santa Fe and Taos several times a year. Love me some, Christmas!

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Love it

[@4dogsannacat]

Wow she’s way ahead of the curve. Kids typically learn hockey stops way before 360’s as rotary skills and concept of a flat ski is much harder for them to grasp. Great job!

[@Moonplant432]

​@@4dogsannacatAll the thanks goes to the Ski Santa Fe Ski School! An amazing, and talented group.

[@sabinebillon977]

Clever analysis Alain! Outstanding demo: vibrant involvement with your team! J’adore ! Merci -💕💕

[@warrenoberholser]

Awesome videos- thank you so much!!😀

[@nigelkibble4803]

Really enjoying this series. Thanks so much for sharing! Looking forward to #3 already! Great work Deb!

[@warren2600]

Thanks!

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Thank you very much 🙏🙏🙏

[@jillsladen-pilon7571]

AMAZING!! Thank you Deb for the passion you have to share. My turn to the left is never as good as my turn to the right. During a ski clinic 2 days ago the instructor pointed out that when I turn to the left, I’m also turning my pelvis, (not just the femur) and this is limiting me. I tried the “Deb Bug” and had a EUREKA MOMENT: it confirmed that I have a physical limitation in my right hip, which tends to get subluxed easily. I cannot turn the femur much in the right hip. It’s neat to realise that part of what is impeding my progress is not just my ability to learn and adapt, it’s also physical. Good thing I’m off to the Osteo this afternoon! Thanks again Deb, you rock!! 23:08

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Love it when lightbulbs go off. Fantastic

[@scott.e.wiseman]

This is a treasure trove, Deb. It’s a long video, but every minute has something to glean. What a gift you gave us all by documenting this! ❤

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Thank you. It is a treasure trove and it was a lot of work🤣🤣

[@scott.e.wiseman]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrongI can tell! That’s why it’s even more of a gift! 🙏

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

@ we need Alain to go from six sentences to three. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SteveH-vy5vn]

Controlling action from the ‘opposite side’ of the body has tremendous benefits for all sports I can think of. Deb, keep up the effort in showcasing how to link key ideas into fundamental skills. Your work benefits all skiers.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

🙏🙏🙏

[@thomasjolimet8020]

I'm so glad to hear this kind of speech from my french fellow... and so sad not to hear it in french from ski instructor here in France ! Well done to both of you : Alain for explanations and Deb for sharing. Many Thanks from France !!

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Love it!

[@MsMsmak]

Great session Deb. I've got a running list of on snow exercises to work on this winter.

[@roblipton9121]

great video, the falling leaf exercise is key for when I'm teaching, as well as big toe/little toe. Really getting foot soul sensitivity is super important, but takes longer to teach, that's why the falling leaf exercise is so important. Well done!

[@АнатолийТренерпогорнымлыжам]

В бане тоже есть падающий лист приводящий к травме ног и рук. Так что не стоит шибко радоваться. Жизнь она в любой момент может повернуться к вам нехорошим местом!!!

[@davidbeazer9799]

Ha ha 😂 my first thought was he’s in race boots with no traction vs grip walk. Also, Alain’s “Oh My Gosh” and the shake of the Head!🤣 Love him! Great Video for the true ski nerd!

[@erikwilliams7009]

Wow! Brilliant insights and demonstrations. So helpful. Thanks for this, I can't wait to see the following segments.

[@rickcoyne7845]

Thank you DEB!!!!! You are just Amazing!!

[@ilonabrandt-tom454]

Thank you...watching before going to teach today...looking forward to the next videos

[@peripheral1258]

Love listening to someone What Knows What It Is. Boot Set-up is such a large part of good skiing: If you can't find parallel-Flat and parallel-equally-edged skis you have to blow a season just sorta-barely adapting. Somewhere I heard that the outside foot is the power and the inside foot is the Brains.

[@jimmartinson4280]

Excellent video. I can't wait to get on the snow and practice the rotary turn.

[@saraw6710]

trying this tomorrow!! Thank you so so much for these great vids!!!!!

[@dianeboross6978]

I can't wait to try some of the exercises. Thank you, Deb!

[@bobbyaldighieri264]

Excellent on the minutiae…. He truly knows his stuff…

[@gogglebro9421]

Deb, I agree with Alain and also teach the “skills concept” (rotary, edging, and pressure movements) rather than the Five Fundamentals. I was glad to hear his opinion on this subject. // Marshall

[@williamfox1146]

Taos Ski Valley - best ski school in America.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Yep

[@jamesreilly7684]

On another topic I ski nearly every day at Alta and aside from Billy Kidd's niece all the best skiers look like merely advanced skiers until you put them in really challenging conditions. And even then they do not ski like any of your videos. This is also true for the free ride professionals. Everyone carves but it is subtler than laying down rails on the groomers. Maybe a video discussing this type of skiing would be useful.

[@keim3548]

I think you’re basically talking about skiing with a flatter ski, less edge angle, more rotary. In my opinion, this is quite a bit easier and less technical andand is what I use to control speed on the steepest lines. Why do I say less technical? Because the balance point is so much wider. The advantage of carving is maximizing speed for the amount of slope available. While with free skiing you want to limit your speed as well as set up for tricks and absorb impacts and bumps

[@jamesreilly7684]

@@keim3548 easy to say on a 30 degree pitch... in a 45 degree couloir just navigating in a controlled and collected form is the challenge. Perhaps it is less 'technical' but it is also extraordinarily difficult to do well. It would be very entertaining to see bodie not against franz but instead against andrew pollard, taylor pratt or someone else of equal stature. When you see the really good free skiers navigating Perla's at Alta/Bird and marvel how easy they make it look it will change your perspective on this issue. Whatever they are doing it is different than what mere mortals can ever hope to achieve.

[@TomHolliday9]

Great stuff Deb! Thanks for posting

[@pas212]

Awesome video, thanks Deb & Alain!

[@14anjuli]

Wow, This video is superb

[@amybutler2856]

Love this! At minute 12:30 Alain is talking about stance and it reminds me of your video when you talk about the “value” of your wedge. How you hold yourself in the wedge, your stance and consistency/control of the wedge. This is the next “value” after wedge?

[@dblackoutx]

Should my core be sore after a good day of skiing? I can feel it most in my lower back perhaps I get down too much

[@leer.watson4673]

Was the class not performing to his standard? He seemed to lose his patience at the 18:26 mark with them. Maybe he was talking to 1 person specifically. I’ve watched all your videos with him and that was the first time I’ve seen him like that. Hopefully, they all eventually got it.

[@CB-qf8yx]

This is very interesting. I wonder how this technique will work off piste, when my skis are in the snow rather than on top. Thank you.

[@MrDHCuthill]

My. This man can talk for America!

[@showze21]

thanks, i love doing rotary moves during free skiing, my experience is that some skis rotated much better than others. and that is key, ride a ski that rotates quickly. my best ski for rotation is a 2016 fischer progressor f19. hes riding a stockli sc

[@BelfourFan001]

Awesome video, thank you! How does this relate to skiing in deeper snow? I think I'm guilty of the "turning quickly and delivering the pressure quickly" technique on piste. Started learning off piste and I struggle with the transition because I can't hockey stop so I'm wondering if this is applicable in deeper snow as well.

[@danblumel]

A lot of unweighting is required in deeper snow (powder).

[@goodyentertainment4054]

Great clinic! ❤

[@17hughsie17]

My big (lighthearted) take aways.. @27.59 Burts awkward appearance. @29.48 the introduction of FOMO man and his really annoying "leg activity" And @32.09 the awesome IDGAF skier rocking his leather jacket for a day on the slopes.. 🤘.. Love that.!

[@73gratia]

Love this. At 4.10.. one selfcheck is to look and feel. Do I rotate using ball of feet or heel. Then. Is it my stance or my boot not supporting that movement.

[@vicentefontestad6083]

Sublime!. Thank you so much

[@stephenholdsworth4315]

Just what I'm looking for, now back to the practice slope.

[@lance31415]

The Firesign Theater said it best when they released "Everything You Know Is Wrong" - but they didn't have Alain's adorable French accent or Taos' wonderful snow

[@jaimiestead254]

It is physics, for every action there needs to be an opposite and equal reaction. Try to open a screw cap bottle by turning the cap only. you will die of thirst. Rotating the legs, they need an equal and opposite reaction which is the core.

[@dianaclark5658]

Woo-hoo! Thank you Deb!😊

[@darcyrt]

Great video Deb. When will we see part 2?

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Soon😉

[@razaman514]

Great video, I’m curious to hear more about why gripwalk could be bad. Thanks!

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Only for the drill with the skis off. The grip walk grabs the snow so it is difficult to turn the boots on the snow

[@MrDogonjon]

I agree five fundamentals is redundant. Gauge pressure manipulation is the primary fundamental all skill is built on. Undersanding snow behavior is a science that goes deep into the exclusion zone no one knows about.

[@kdontknow]

When the instructor turn in 4:50, did him put weight on his inside leg for a short period of time ? I am a little bit confused here

[@jaimiestead254]

Yes he did, however it was a demonstration, a coaching thing, not to be confused with what you should be doing.

[@jaimiestead254]

The demo wasn't about the weight/balance on which ski, it was to demonstrate the rotary movement in the legs.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Thank you😉

[@jaimiestead254]

The last five minutes is very interesting. I think that there has been far too much trying to teach from racers down rather than how we become racers.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

@@jaimiestead254 interesting point. Best may be working both ways.

[@b.6472]

На коньках есть замечательное упражнение, которое так и называется слалом. Мне кажется по сути это тоже самое о чём говорит Алан. Особенно если делать правильно, в две ноги, "отвязав" параллельные бёдра от "несущего" корпуса.

[@ehthrough]

Great video! Regarding the stationary drill at 3:50... is there a reason he is pivoting on his heal versus the ball of his foot?

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

He is pivoting his entire foot, not heal or ball. We never turn on the ball of our foot

[@ehthrough]

​@DebArmstrongSkiStrong Thanks the response, Deb! In the video, it appears his inside foot is pivoting on the heel. To me, this would indicate COM behind the BOS, which is why I asked. With our balance towards the balls of our feet in a proper stance, I was thinking the drill would pivot towards the ball. Is a "bowtie" pattern of the inside foot the goal in the drill? Or am I thinking about it all wrong?

[@mrredithhall7115]

Fantastic! Enthusiasm!

[@constitutionfencible]

Always delicious food for thought on this channel. I often teach pressure on the outside with tension on the inside. I do believe instructors need to be careful discussing the inside ski because a large percentage of skiers are inside ski dominant and I worry that drawing extra attention to the inside ski may cause them to lean even more on that ski.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Fair point

[@scott.e.wiseman]

I often say that making the inside leg “light” is also what allows it to be “active”!

[@michelepotter7222]

Jean used to say the inside designs and the outside holds

[@williamfox1146]

Alain owns Le Ski Mastery at Taos where you can buy Stockli skis.

[@mikethomas3952]

Wow...nice movement pattern drill

[@noah-yc4fg]

unbelievable stuff

[@donaldfiesta8666]

Deb tried to reach you, how about a presentation on "different kinds of short turns"? You know carved, mogul turns, skidded turns to slow down.😍

[@roy87345]

Gold gold gold❤❤❤

[@nytrocircus]

My question is, what is the difference between availment skiing vs reploimont?

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Get a French dictionary I suppose 😉🤣

[@nytrocircus]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong , haha I know the answer, but nobody cares what I say, just want to hear the Master speak to the differences.

[@wondertribewed]

? : On the section around 16 minutes where pivot slips and then into falling leaf…. Is he saying Rotary of feet and legs is more dominant then slight adjustment of fore / aft - BOS - COM relationship to move in falling leaf. I think I heard him say stance doesn’t change, but I’m curious if ankle flexion and extension is not blended in as well?!

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

One can turn the feet from the knee down. Micro turning/steering movement occurs there. I use it in bumps all the time and the falling leaf promotes this. Stance width does not change.

[@wondertribewed]

⁠@@DebArmstrongSkiStrongThanks! So its a falling leaf with micro steering of feet and i assume one could also play with a different type of falling leaf drill isolating more ankle flex to pressure front of ski and ankle extension to recenter while moving skis down and backwards?

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

@ of course. Every drill can emphasize different skills. Drills can be adjusted as well to emphasize different skills

[@yogiebere]

Video showing up as 480p maximum, maybe upload issue?

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

I will keep that in mind for future videos. How are you watching the video? On a large screen? Large image low resolution?

[@yogiebere]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong I'm on my PC with a computer monitor. It looks quite grainy, not sure if your source file is larger than 480p (I assume so if gopro)

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

@ ya, I’m sorry, unfortunately for this video I don’t upload it in high enough resolution regrettably!! Lesson learned

[@yogiebere]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong All good! Maybe for part 2. Loving the content! :)

[@mop9i40k]

It's so sad the video quality is only 480 p.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Educate me for the future. Thank you

[@zaymonantonio]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong When you export the video from wherever you edit this, try and make sure the export settings are at least 1080p (1920x1080px). This is standard high definition. Thanks for the video! We want to see all the crispy details of how the skis are interacting with the snow.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

@ thank you for this feedback! 🙏🙏

[@magnificoas388]

let's say that the french are very good skiers :)

[@danblumel]

Only some of them, as anywhere else.

[@Esperluet]

4:20❤

[@jamesreilly7684]

in this video his skiing looks more like franz than bodie. Which is a bit confusing. Perhaps when he discusses carving it will be clearer.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

It is true, with more rotary the ski is not tipped on edge as high and the body stands more over the feet. The CM still takes a shorter path, inside the feet through the turn, but not as much as a high edge angle turn like Bode makes. Franz is using more rotary these days.

[@jamesreilly7684]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong I dont blame him.... age catches up to even the best!

[@TAH1712]

PURE GOLD... Here's a very good example of the opposite of 'basic' - it's still is symmetric inside /outside ski associativity done by one of the worlds best Nathan Taugwalder kzbin.infosQ2CIhFwFcg I hope Deb would agree.

[@otisregatoni617]

….. to ski better is more important to me, than look better. It all starts with the feet - it is a feel. He says it rite, “…be aware of the feet…” Good vid

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Ok

[@TheSkeewiz]

WWHHD = What Would Harald Harb Do?

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertsiri1582]

do those skis come in adult size?😂

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Where do you ski? Taos is steep and generally narrow. To carve the top of the turn through completion a shorter ski is preferable. Jackson hole on the other hand carving the tip of the turn through completion a longer ski would be manageable. Wider runs. Thoughts for consideration. In the Midwest a shorter ski would also make sense, shallower pitch, shorter runs.

[@Carlins_Prophet]

I'm 67 years old and I've been skiing since I'm 9. I'm 6 ft 4 in. My best skiing is done on a pair of 170 s. If you have a friend who has a pair of Head super shapes with an adjustable binding, you should try them.

[@danblumel]

​​​@@Carlins_Prophet I'm also 67 and was a PSIA full cert instructor back in the early 80's back then skied everything on 210's now I ski everything on just under 200 cm GS (~198) competition racing skis I'm 6'3" and 220 lbs..

[@Carlins_Prophet]

@@danblumel Personally, I would have a hard time on the steeps with something that long. I would just be surviving rather than carving. In the 80s I didn't turn as much, loved GS style of skiing and was on a Head Radial 210. The newer technologies in the skis that came along changed all that and now I'm going to spend the rest of my life making up for all the turns that I never made when I was younger.

[@danblumel]

I skied Kastle's back then, still love GS, I ski fast unless too many people to stay away from, rarely true at Snow Basin, Utah.

[@iandunn9497]

So rotary is what is missing, but I see it all over the mountain....two footed, twisting Z shaped turns. Shoulder rotation and twisting is the turn mechanisms. Poor balance ability if they lose inside ski support. Leaning and banking turns no problem because inside ski takes the weight. I guess that's all stability. Looks like a golf cart going down the hill, but I guess it's stable. Dynamic balance devoid.

[@FuStyle321]

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[@TheSkeewiz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIqqiHiJZciId7cfeature=shared

[@АнатолийТренерпогорнымлыжам]

Так что не старайтесь пальцами ног построить фигушку, - ничего не получится! Желаю здоровья и удачи!!!

[@gmoneymac23]

Step 1: Get a ~70mm under foot ski. Half kidding ;)

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

If you are on groomers and good skier, that helps😉

[@u.s.cowboy3052]

The Deb bug ha ha... But that's skiing... good times 😃🤣⛷️

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Yep, love it

[@jharomeer]

Ah yes, let’s bring back the good old days when skiing was a cryptic, confusing, and elitist black art! Because who doesn’t love a little unnecessary mystique on the slopes? It's the most vague, chaotic, and disconnected set of phrases-a jumble of fragmented information that doesn’t form a coherent system. This is pretty typical of former athletes who lack the ability to break down movements into smaller, easy-to-explain steps. In the same sentence, or even the same minute, he manages to contradict himself entirely. Sorry, but I feel like this thread desperately needs someone to step in and say, 'Oh… the king is naked.'"

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Yes, I read this. There is a book out there titled “don’t always believe what you think”. You have an interesting perspective. I clearly do not agree😉

[@Carlins_Prophet]

When Deb opened the video, she stated who this video's target audience was. This particular video is for advanced skiers who are almost " there". These tips are intended to take people from being almost there to finally getting it. Once one is almost there, one will have picked up many of these terms and phrases used and will be able to apply them more easily to their own skiing. Trying to become an acrobat by having someone describe how to become an acrobat will be filled with a lot of unfamiliar terms which are being used to describe unfamiliar athletic body positions and transformations. Proper skiing gets explained upside down and sideways by a myriad of personalities. Each of the personalities tries to reach the intermediate skier in their own way. Have any of the ski instructors that you've ever seen laid on their back and showed you the twisting of the feet? Stuff like that speaks to some and not others.

[@anatoli28]

Psia sucks embrace pmts❤

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

Oh my gosh. Can I just say that all the pmts comments are so tiring and toxic. Personally I find pmts tiring and all the attitude that goes along with it. Sorry, had to say it.

[@puregsr]

That's the 4 letter word that will give Deb a heart attack. 😂 You can mention it, but please be respectful, we are all here to learn and grow. I imagine in Heaven, Deb welcomes PMTS to come together to learn with open arms … probably not 😅

[@hehexd4557]

PMTS is just inside leg flexion and tipping onto pinky toe to start the turn.

[@DebArmstrongSkiStrong]

@@puregsr not sure of your point. I have just had a few years of HH students bad mouthing PSIA and many others. It’s just not necessary and it’s tiring, that’s all.

[@puregsr]

@@DebArmstrongSkiStrong I just want everyone to be respectful and made a little joke knowing how much they annoy you, that's all. We know you are passionate about skiing and all about spreading love, not hate.