Understanding the Occult: What is the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and is it possible to join?

[@life_lived_well_8]

Love the artwork on your thumbnails! Also, I would love to see the follow up video on women of the occult. Florence Farr, Annie Horniman, etc.

[@Lordkaveed]

Thank you for your insights

[@ppobyenp]

And thank you very much for watching.

[@redtalon81]

Great work thank you

[@ppobyenp]

Thanks for watching and for saying so!

[@MonkeyMac]

What about the Stella Matutina being taken to New Zealand where it flourished, and continued till the 1970s? And how Pat Zalewski restarted the GD from his contact with the adepts and teachings they gave him? His work is as important if not moreso than that of the Ciceros. Plus the tarot deck he and Christine Zalewski produced is more important than the Cicero one, and both are two of the 4 main GD decks available, and there are others also.

[@ppobyenp]

Now that sounds really interesting do you have some place that I can read about it more?

[@ppobyenp]

Also as I mentioned in the video I'm not a member of their group I'm just responding to them because they're the group that people end up bumping into more easily online.

[@gondopharessuren418]

​@@ppobyenp Tony Fuller's group is the true descendant of the New Zealand Group, down from Frank Salt and have a charter. The Cicero group is really the continuation of Alpha et Omega in the US and heavily contacted and guided by the third order. Regardie saved the magical current or Order, from a slow death.

[@kimberlysampson]

I just came across your page amazing very interesting,b thank you my friend,

[@ppobyenp]

Thanks for watching and for saying so. Have a good one.

[@stewartminor]

Wonderful work!

[@ppobyenp]

Glad you like it!

[@aegyobot1923]

Interesting

[@ppobyenp]

Thanks for saying so.

[@wegapaul3616]

Occult= special to you because you learned about it. Example: a Christmas gift is an occult ceremony because the gift is wrapped and the unwrapping process creates some extra special unveiling value.

[@ppobyenp]

Not exactly. The surprise metaphor was meant as an explanation for why a person should go into an initiation blind (so to say) as opposed to trying to learn what would happen ahead of time. In that case for it was more special = chance to have a real experience. Also I'll admit like any off the fly metaphor it fails to cover all possible renditions of the scenario. Just my take. Thanks for watching that part close to the end so you must have stayed for most of the video.

[@e.s.l.1083]

Nicely done ✔ Kudos

[@ppobyenp]

Thank you so much! 😀

[@curtisjackson1121]

What was that intro music? That was dope!

[@ppobyenp]

It is "Sleepless" by Diffie Bosman.

[@intrepidsoul9871]

An informative video. I'm always up for learning things. Unfortunately, the narration audio quality makes it difficult to hear clearly. The CC was most helpful. You might consider an external microphone. Best wishes to you, et al.

[@ppobyenp]

Thanks for the suggestion. Do you have a not too expensive recommendation?

[@gondopharessuren418]

Tony Fuller's group is the true descendant of the New Zealand Group, down from Frank Salt and have a charter. The Cicero group is really the continuation of Alpha et Omega in the US and heavily contacted and guided by the third order. Regardie saved the magical current or Order, from a slow death.

[@ppobyenp]

Thank you for that I have an organization to lookup. Do they have a website or online presence?

[@gondopharessuren418]

@@ppobyenp No, they have no online presence.

[@ppobyenp]

I was worried that would be the case. If only I could find a mailing address.

[@MonkeyMac]

The Ciceros' branch were/are one of several that came from Regardie initiating people in the late 70s/early 80s.

[@ppobyenp]

Correct and I wasn't trying to focus on them because they were the only one I was focusing on them because they're the easiest to encounter online. Because of that a lot of questions that I happen to get from people both at my lodge or outside of it tend to revolve around their group.

[@MonkeyMac]

I'm not sure what you mean by invitation only, but most branches and related groups are open for people to apply for membership. I tend to think invitation only means that if you have contact with members and show interest, they may invite you to join. You may mean something different to that. Anyway, I'm the one who sent you the two Pansophers links on the Facebook HOGD group. :)

[@ppobyenp]

Oh hey nice to see you here! Thanks for watching. The reason I said it that way is that there are some GD groups that are invitation only. In particular the one I focused on in the video. You are totally correct though that most just want people to show up for a bit before asking to join. I didn't want to set people up for more acceptance than they might receive. However, I didn't want to scare people off so that's why I encouraged emailing and reaching out. Are you part of any of the groups you shared with me?

[@thomasnolan100]

P.P.O. have you looked into Rosicrucian teachings?

[@ppobyenp]

I have. My video on them is more of an introduction but it's worth a watch if you want to learn about them. If you'd like me to go into more detail let me know I'm always asking for topics suggestions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqvQeX2nqap_f7c

[@thomasnolan100]

@ppobyenp oh, I'll check it out! I'm a member myself, lol had to be nosey ans ask. Bless you.

[@ppobyenp]

Oh very cool where at?

[@drivebyninjastar]

The Cicero lineage comes from Israel Regardie therefore Stella Matutina. There are other modern GD groups that are still private that carry lineage from Alpha Omega and ISIS-Urania.

[@ekramabdella4982]

2:57 and 3:03 Africa!

[@ppobyenp]

If you have any topic suggestions let me know.

[@PaulMcClung]

They have a temple in Florida

[@ppobyenp]

That's awesome! Do they happen to have a website?

[@thomasnolan100]

@@PaulMcClung really? Is there any contact info for other temples?

[@ppobyenp]

I'll be looking (googling) for it today.

[@ppobyenp]

There is something called the "Study Circle of Sia" and they claim to be an Outer Order group. The larger GD group also has a temple there but it seems no public website.

[@thomasnolan100]

@@ppobyenp thanks for looking into it

[@Michael-u5p9q]

I really want to join.

[@ppobyenp]

You never know.

[@stevemitchell_H.Fr_VN]

There is actually more than one Golden Dawn organization out there.

[@ppobyenp]

That's correct. I chose to focus in this video on the one with the best online presence.

[@bazzadebear8012]

Ego destroyed the Golden Dawn.

[@Henricus.]

Thank you, they see and approve.

[@JonathanSigwart]

My question is magik real like is real super natural real or is it phycology?? What is magik?

[@ppobyenp]

I'll be covering that in a separate episode. For now let me just say that modern magick is based on the idea that if everything (reality) is ultimately happening in our minds then changing our minds should change reality. It is also a bit simpler and more complicated than that which is why it will need its own episode.

[@andrearenee7845]

What happened to the Matriarch ???

[@ppobyenp]

I should answer that in another episode! In fact of been thinking of doing an episode on "Occult Women" who are so often part of a "man's story" but never have their own told.

[@taylorlee1299]

Yeah what did happen to Mathers' wife?

[@ppobyenp]

In October I'll do an episode covering women within magick and the occult.

[@HumbleOpenForum]

She was born 1940...got suppressed...seduced..and into a deep service she did not comprehend ....now she is gone ..she was in the news papers twice in her life ..the miracle of her surviving due to her home destroyed by bombing Maureen Stafford ...the parents probably died...then she was an orphan...adopted by prominant/noble/business.couple that were later headhunted to Australia as her adopted father was a reputable scientist .she,got married at 18.. iShe again in a prominent London tabloid the news of her pregnancy in Africa she never knew who she was ...the mother of this age she was a hurt child utilised without her truly understanding that she was handled She never found love her name Moira Isabella Mary ..the adopted mother could not bare children & so Moira was her first adoption &Moira the child was allowed to choose her brother's & her sister's ..however Moira suffered much abuse at the hands of her adopted parent.sexually &physically..emotionally.yet her .mum became pregnant & did bring a natural son & I believe Moira brought this miracle ..She &her daughter also interceded the divine purpose after a tragic accident sought to harvest her sons organs ..it was only the mother & I of her children that did not give up ..the daughter canvassing the local youth to go to the hospitable of their brother & tell him to get up & wash his feet (as the accident had shown his dirty soles)again in the tabloids only this time her son was the story ' miracle boy wakes from his coma' I believe She was the Matriach the girl,child brought in by occultist to serve an agenda not chosen by themselves for the New Age She lived alone much of her life however the funeral was packed out by those that were touched by her Grace & kindness (she was no nonsense soul) this is my truth x

[@HumbleOpenForum]

She was the moonchild

[@MonkeyMac]

Mathers only initiated Crowley into the adeptus minor grade.

[@ppobyenp]

So then it would have been more precise for me to say that he was initiated into the most minor portion of the Rose Cross degrees?

[@thomasnolan100]

It seems you're supposed to find them( supposedly still in England) And show your worthiness to recieve the knowledge they offer.

[@ppobyenp]

No website or contact info for the UK Golden Dawn?

[@taylorlee1299]

Where can you find them?

[@CraigGoldsberry-rz6fn]

Don't bother.....it's all satanism .....they were hidden for hundred years in New Zealand

[@ppobyenp]

It is not all Satanism but what do you mean it was in New Zealand for that long? I mean Christianity didn't even arrive there until December 1814. Are you saying the priests brought Satanists with them?

[@ppobyenp]

Just do your best to look around.

[@aegyobot1923]

Why ai art tho

[@wegapaul3616]

Cause the author doesn’t have time to do the research, and the video editing, AND drawing all the art too😆

[@ppobyenp]

I'm just one guy. It would a bit much do be able to pull off research, editing, and making art. I wish I could do all of that.

[@BryanThomasUsinger]

AI is awesome. So very pro AI

[@ppobyenp]

That is indeed one of the reasons I use it. Also I have a regular job until this really takes off. Thanks for all the early support it mean a lot.

[@ppobyenp]

Thank you. I plan to integrate video of places, people, and events in the next two months. Ideally, I want to show you what I'm talk about.

[@KhaoticDeterminism]

wonder how our culture features in all this eh… like are the Pagan Nation occultists? not sure it’s all we have ever known with our guides you don’t have to write it down #indigenous

[@ppobyenp]

That's a very legitimate question and perspective. I was going to wait to address such questions until I could perhaps get an indigenous voice to join me so as to give their opinion and information. I feel that too many communities on the "outside" of the "main" conversation get talked about or for but don't often get the same chance to have their voices heard. Does that make sense?

[@annag9873]

For enlightened people they sound very childish.

[@ppobyenp]

Many people who claim to be "enlightened" or otherwise are often claiming something they have yet to achieve. Also no group is perfect and safe from having such members.

[@joecaves6235]

Hermetic - her met i see, he or me tenacity, he are me time i see, he our metric, he our medic.

[@ppobyenp]

🙄

[@joecaves6235]

@@ppobyenp Hermes Trismagistus - he or me tries magic to us.

[@ppobyenp]

That's a fun one.

[@ekramabdella4982]

2:57 and 3:03 Africa!

[@ppobyenp]

Thanks for watching.