Understanding Value Gap in Dating in Ukraine | Vodka Vodkast 084

[@linanovaya]

The one thing I’ve got from this video is that Gizell Bundhen is Conor’s favorite type of beauty

[@rodriotero1559]

It's spell Bundchen

[@Deathwing2001]

“A man is only as faithful as his options” - Chris Rock. The same can be said for super hot women.

[@christophscholz8571]

Like always, a good video about LTR, values and age gap from Conor.👍🏼

[@edmundchernecke7469]

Conor, my man, I think your analysis has merit, but there are some other factors. I presume the point system can include more than just appearance. I also presume that "points" are dynamic, women age, men can get richer, and so on. Its a moving target. My own experience is that either the "chemistry" exists or it does not and secondly, there is no way to reliably predict the future dynamics. Interesting issues though. My best counselor.

[@edmundchernecke7469]

@Dan Swildens not gonna work for you in Eastern Europe, the most valuable commodity a man can have there is security and faithfulness. Sometimes security = money, but not always.

[@humptydumpty20]

Very true - age-gap is only part of the equation. There are many other factors to consider too. Just focus on becoming the best version of yourself and the rest of the parts will fall in place.

[@usun_current5786]

That's a number one advice for my kids - date your equals, complementary ones, from good families - that's the most stable foundation for marriage.

[@jeanpaulfelix4095]

mens wall 60..womens wall 40. However if you are in great shape there is no wall.

[@youtubeperson9365]

They ran factor analysis (google it) on couples who just had children (aka successfully mated). Women were selected 99% on their markets of sexual fertility (youthfulness, physical attractiveness, hip to waist ratio etc), men were selected 90% on their access to resources. This is also checks out in terms of evolutionary biology.

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

99% and 90% sound rather at the extreme but the general principle holds

[@bbgcars]

WOMEN DONT CARE ABOUT AGE GAP! ONLY MONEY GAP..THOSE THAT HAVE NO MONEY WILL BE GAPPED REGARDLESS OF AGE!

[@mariachiingles2348]

It’s value that matters, which is not equivalent to money.

[@tomgoodin557]

Nice....good video...again

[@The8sss]

What is annoying here. Guys coming to choose girls like in the store. Just to get 9-10 level. Just as she is not person, but beautiful doll. Girls there are book smart and street smart. She can be cute and sweet and look naive. But she exactly understand your mind. She will answer LATER same way. You choosing her by her look. She is choosing you by your passport. She will get it. And Only if you really loving and great guy (hard working!) Girls there HATE LAZY GUYS! So if beer and couch and minimum job is your horse. She will leave you. Or other guy in your Motherland will steal her from you. And will tell thanks for getting best one overseas. If you choose 5-6 you have more chances to stay with her even after her citizenship. Because she will not have as many options unless AGAIN she has a good job and $. She will want an upgrade. So if you guys do not invest LOVE, HONESTY, SOUL. prepare to get paid back with the same. And guy who did this video seems very cold to me. I am girl from there. Living long time overseas and see what you guys doing. Very mathematically counting your options. Girls want financial protection, not worries for her and her kids future, hard working respecting guy. If you are not hard working and respecting her. You have small chances to stay in marriage.

[@michaelk969]

Do all women judge a man based on love, honesty and soul? Or do they judge on the basis of money, status, age gap and good looks? Men and women use different criteria to judge. You may not like it but you cannot change how men will judge women. Likewise, we men, cannot change how women judge men.

[@The8sss]

@@michaelk969 Yes , But when man choosing girl out of his league, beautiful, very attractive in many aspects... USUALLY (not always) traveling guys Not as attractive, not hot, not enough educated , not enough SECURE to give this 9-10 girl the security she wants. He can give her security what GIVES HIS COUNTRY. His citizenship. Which is basically not technically belong to him. So when she relocated and obtain her legal papers. This process will eliminate that "first attraction" and instantly he will become EMPTY, he can not offer her security any longer... Unless he is HARDWORKING, or super good looking. Now when she also has citizenship and he is totally average guy and if she still 9/10? Do not be surprised if she will leave you guys. My advise - want to have best DNA in your kids. NEED WORK HARD for it. Otherwise you will lose it to those who does. Is this guy who made this video married? Divorced? Or still in process?

[@CaptainGyro]

I like how you tell it like it is. How the rating scale changes with the competition is reality. I've seen how way too many guys marry a hot Asian "10" who think he is a rich American and he is a catch but upon bringing her to the USA she realizes how poor he is in comparison to other men working in Silicon Valley. It is common knowledge among American expat's in Asia that their marriage is doomed if they bring their hot Asian wife to the USA where his value rating is going to tank big time. If you want to bring her back to the USA wait a decade or so when Father Time knocks a few points from her value.

[@this.is.berlin]

Nice and very true video, Conor! Thank you again... but to tell the truth I (with my 48 years) I am fed up with dealing with levels 6s, 9s or 10s or 5s. Your own level goes downhill with your age, if you are not Mick Jagger! I am considering moving to Thailand or Philippines. Germany sucks. EU sucks. But I am a sucker, too, for blond ladys, so Southeast Asia is maybe not the best idea!

[@eva-nr2bs]

Hi Conor, how would you rate yourself ? 1-10.............. Ten is the highest.

[@Rafimr]

Well said, and as I'm married to a Ukrainian woman, It can't be explained better than that

[@AnfisaBELARUS]

Nice video as always 🙌

[@ToquzOghuzKhaganatekhan]

Value has price , how maci is maci

[@lucasbarel9408]

Ohhhh yes man! Supposing Neymar plays for Real Madrid and he wants a man cleaning his shoes before playing, he wants to play only against Manchester United in champions league but he doesn't want to play against Valladolid and Tenerife "Ehy I'm Florentino Perez.""Who cares? You are in Spain." Then Florentino Perez takes a fly for Rio "I'm here to see Flamengo, Vasco de Gama, San Paulo." Immediately Neymar starts to accept to play every match.

[@jeanpaulfelix4095]

Conner....im a 5 in the west and I brought my ukranian gf to canada....she was a 7 in ukraine (9 body). We went out to a club one night any EVERY guy in the club went crazy...they hit on her...wanted to fight me over her....i had to get the hell out of there. So thats why you NEVER bring your ukranian girl out to a club in the west. They are desperate for a women in shape....its like seeing a unicorn.

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

LOL sounds like quite a site to behold a hot Ukrainian at a Canadian club ...

[@maxhope7691]

In Toronto or Montreal ?

[@lionedheart]

Did she leave you yet or has been acting weird ever since the incident?

[@awakeaware9708]

Value gap has it’s merit , but what if the man and woman actually love each other . The relationship should not just be based on looks and money Ect...

[@DongoBongKong]

Is this an arithmetic lesson?

[@michaelk969]

I think you explained value gap well. It may be best to live in the UA for ten years or so and make sure your marriage is solid before returning to the USA.

[@manolo9928]

How is 45 in your peak? That's me now. A solid 7, even been told back home that I'm an 8/10, been in Ukraine now for 6 weeks, and haven't even come close to a dry kiss. It really boils down to 'game'. You need to have good game (day game, night game and text game) even here in Ukraine, it's no different to the west. The women here are not going to be all over you just because you're some western guy. Charisma, charm, wit, gift of the gab, know what to say, the art of escalating, text talk etc...if you don't have that, if you're like me an introvert beta male, no matter what country you're from or how good looking you are, you will struggle. Better off in SEA, just looks alone will take you places. Women there are just happy to be with you, no need for game, you can see they are just happy to sit next to you looking pretty.

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

Yes, you need good game to play at the highest levels (unless you just have so much perceived value from your looks, status & money but that is super rare in reality as I meet guys with bucketloads of that and they still struggle here without game). In general, men peak in terms of their perceived value in dating between 35-45 y.o. ... of course, some guys peak earlier or later than that, especially if he doesn't look after himself and has no money or status then he will have passed his peak earlier than 35. This also correlates with my own experience. I started to peak around 36 and am still going strong ... ;)

[@erikstorm8935]

@@ConorClyneTsarExperience You are absolutely right. A story I always tell is about this great looking, young Dutch guy continually striking out in Ukraine. He's tall, handsome and very outgoing. And, because he's from the West, it's assumed he has money and so his young age isn't an issue (he was early to mid-20s). But, I guess he just approached and talked to them the way guys do in the West. Ironically, he not only could have done better in the West, but gotten even hotter women. But yeah, have to adjust your game in Ukraine.

[@erikstorm8935]

Exactly, you definitely need game in Ukraine. The 'cute shy introvert' approach definitely doesn't work there, unless maybe you already know each other. Perhaps them it can come off as 'endearing', but not if you're complete strangers. I can completely relate to all this, too. Also, style. You need personal style (whereas in the West you can meet girls wearing baggy clothes, flip flops and a baseball cap lol).

[@erikstorm8935]

Also, in your defense: maybe Covid is making it harder to get women? In many countries strangers avoid each other like the plague (pun intended). Perhaps now is just a bad time to try and meet strangers. Meeting women you've already connected with online? Different situation. But, I can imagine that many women are hesitant to talk to complete strangers right now. Whether they should be or not is a completely separate issue! But anyway, I think next year will be a better time for pick-ups & cold approaches. Best to stick with women you already know.

[@manolo9928]

@@erikstorm8935 To be honest I’m not so convinced that COVID is making it that much harder. Perhaps a little, but not by much. To give you an idea, over the weekend I went to a speed dating event. 10 dates in total, all (men and women) were locals. I was the only foreigner and by far the best looking guy and was dressed impeccably. Everything was in Russian including speech from the MC and conversations during dates (luckily I do have an intermediate level of Russian). From the 10 dates only one said “yes” to me, a 40 year old 5/10. In short, Ukrainian women in general, do not care whether you’re a foreigner, it’s not like Philippines where the women come running up to you just because you’re a foreigner. If I was a local or spoke fluent Russian and had top-notch game I would have cleaned up, Covid or not...end of story.

[@johnqlunchbucket]

A 3? My eyes are programmed so they don't even see A 3...🧐

[@TheBTG88]

One word of warning - Hypergamy.

[@MrPittsbrother]

In the mid nineties I wrote to one really beautiful lady in St petersberg and another more average looking lady in Ukraine somewhere. Only the Russian wrote back. I was disappointed because I felt more confident for the other girl being more appreciative of what I would do for her. It didn't work out with the Russian lady which was mainly my fault anyway. I wasn't confident it would have worked out if she came to live with me because we had nothing in common.

[@buisnessonly4102]

Connor, I see all this stuff from the news talking about Ukraine and Russia going to war. Your actually over there have you seen any of it?

[@sirgalahad2]

Not necessarily. That's just hype. Family is from there on the ground eastern side. Tensions are simply rising again with the border skirmishes. War is unlikely at this stage. But anything can happen in theory.

[@jonmorris9645]

I'm a three amongst my Cro Magnon brethren. But amongst the Nearderthal chicks I'm a 7, primarily because of my forehead shape. And I have a car.

[@heikorudi6105]

Wrinkles, baldness and overweight can destroy your value. I'm half Westerner half Ukrainian with an online business and speak Russian is that an advantage?

[@erikstorm8935]

Wrinkles and baldness shouldnt be an issue, really. But being overweight can be a problem in Ukraine. At the same time, you don't need to have a 'gym body', either.

[@stuartparris2626]

personally i agree with the guy who opted for a woman in her 30's. I'm turning 50 myself and have younger women in Canada staring me down like a piece of meat on a hook. But as the adage goes... beauty fades and time waits for noone. I would say to find a lady in her early to late 30's that will make you drop your jaw will probably make you drop your jaw for the rest of your life. if she has already passed her prime and is still beautiful then she knows how to take care of herself. Plus I'm just too old to go party at the bars every night.

[@christiancamposalvarez1864]

Hi! What is the situation right now in Ukraine? Is some bars or discos open? I want to go to Lviv, do you know the situation there? Thanks a lot!!! And good video with an important information 👌

[@Johndoe-qn9jr]

How can you increase your value as a man if you are not a famous singer but still wants to date beatifull girls half your age or more :) ? Now that would be a video of great intrests

[@rodriotero1559]

Vineyards in kherson?? Cool

[@ralphhh4784]

He should know about this topic...Connor is a 7.5 in his country at best and a 10 in Eastern Europe

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

Nice assessment 😃

[@kenthedude2758]

I agree with everything said here down to the last word. Dated many Ukrainian girls. Everything said is true.

[@ЕленаКузнецова-х1х]

Why avoiding golddiggers? Since you're in Ukraine you should know that Cheap cheese is in a mouse trap only.

[@erikstorm8935]

Thats not what westerners mean by 'gold diggers'. Of course, a westerner knows he has to pay in Ukraine. And that includes paying for nice things from time to time. Instead, what we mean by 'gold digger' is - wanting a man to spend *too much* more than he should. Especially compared to local men who are economically comparable (not in terms of income, but economic status. I.e. upper middle class westerner and upper middle class Ukrainian). Such as expensive restaurants on first few dates, not even just the first. Comparable local men would not do this. Nor would he buy her expensive gifts very soon after dating, either.

[@erikstorm8935]

The opposite is true, as well. A western men cannot expect a Ukrainian woman to sleep with him on the 1st or 2nd date. Its unrealistic and not really fair. Nor should she have to have the sexiest clothes or best perfume. Nor should she have to be completely waxed on only the 3rd date (he's not even her boyfriend yet. So, why should she be so prepared?). Men can have their fantasies and wishes, it's fine. But, we must also be realistic and not expect 'female perfection'. Especially so soon.

[@ЕленаКузнецова-х1х]

@@erikstorm8935 Entitled spoiled aged western children wish that girls come to the big cities to donate pleasure to foreign tourists instead of accepting luxury lifestyle. Those who bet higher win the bid. The cheaper consumer goods the more expensive beauty.

[@Mr.C_101]

I have this weird feeling that I went to hard core raves with you in the 90's... did you? ... in Belgium?

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

Not in the 90s for sure 😂

[@Mr.C_101]

@@ConorClyneTsarExperience Well, you missed out.. haha... but hey, thanks for the content, you're giving me a lot of ideas

[@bolt-dbtfg]

Socially acceptable from which genders point of view. . .? Women. because older women want older men (with more of the value that women want later in life) to date them and not young hotties. However Everyman on this channel knows which age of girl he would want to have sex with if not pressurised my "social norms"

[@hellfiremissle5924]

Listen pinhead, If you and I walk into a bar and meet two girls they will both come home with me. You can’t teach me anything because I pull 10’s in Los Angeles with my looks, status, and money. You are a funny looking guy

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

Lol no high level guy would ever bother writing that under a YT video 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@hellfiremissle5924]

@@ConorClyneTsarExperience You are a little weasel

[@jameskarnes543]

I have seen some beautiful women from Ulraine that are 58

[@jimstafford9409]

Your analysis of the "value gap" in Ukraine is interesting but omits one important factor: The population collapse and how it effects all issues from job opportunities, the general economy, the willingness of Ukraine women to accept older (or sexually unattractive) foreigners as partners as a method of escape from an economic situation that inevitably will get much worse, prostitution and sexual tourism and the scams many women who desire to remain in Ukraine employ for survival purposes or to maintain a living standard (these scams are really just another survival method chosen by some rather than emigration with a foreign partner for which they have no real emotional or sexual connection). The U.N. estimated that by 2050 Ukraine's population will decline by at least 20% with most of the decrease resulting from the emigration of younger Ukrainians and with immense ramifications on issues such as jobs, societal stability and future birth rates. The lack of a stable rule of law and a low birth rate, both caused by complex issues, suggest that the desire or need of women to seek mates outside the country are likely to increase dramatically over the next decade and, no matter what they admit to in interviews, that this need is currently widely perceived and soon will lead to outright desperation. For foreigners seeking women for long term relationships this desperation is likely to lead to a gradual increase in the value gap to the temporary advantage of foreign men seeking such relationships with women of considerably higher value. Unfortunately for foreigners who seek long term relationships, once situated in more favorable surroundings, it is inevitable that the value gap will reassert itself leading to many (or most) of these relationships abruptly ending to the dismay of the foreigners. On the other hand, the increased opportunities for sexual tourists likely will see an increase of such tourism with increased competition suggesting that your recommendation of the need to learn Russian will become even more valid in the near future.

[@jeanpaulfelix4095]

Yes you have to move to ukraine. it takes time just like in the west.

[@kevinharries9513]

This is Hypergamy.

[@daviddawes2862]

Your analysis is very male oriented. Females have a different set of priorities. If you don't now what they are, you should not be making videos.

[@ConorClyneTsarExperience]

Enlighten me since I appreciate hearing a female opinion … 👂🏻