Unfortunate Outcome For Suicidal Man With A Knife

[@BlueDart1971]

Unless you have actually been suicidal you will never understand the pain inside. I spent a lot of my youth through early twenties that way. Im so thankful that I didn’t go through with it on several occasions. I now have a wonderful wife and three wonderful children. Life gets better if you want it to.

[@jamesp9226]

What are you going to do when she divorces you?

[@awblues]

I’m happy for you man. Congrats on the family.

[@CopernicusKepler1]

@@jamesp9226 some people are just so outrightly pessimistic. SMH.

[@stressfreetv2263]

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@stressfreetv2263]

@@jamesp9226 wishful thinking?

[@knndyskful]

That’s sad, he knew exactly what he was doing, that was suicide by cop :( The initial deputies did a stellar job communicating, letting 1 person talk, relaying pertinent info over the radio and remaining calm 👍

[@kodykindhart5644]

Was he talking to you?

[@knndyskful]

@@johngoldbunny3206 what!? I said they did a good job, I said everything John and Mike said, I typed as the video was playing; and also I’ve been an active duty army MP, while not the same as a “civilian cop” I have walked in their shoes I think you totally misread what I wrote

[@carfo]

What a selfish act to force someone else to take a life they didn’t want to take. Doesn’t seem like a good dude, still a shame overall.

[@BkBk-gy6vr]

Oh well

[@jacobseraphin685]

Honesty if you think about it, suicide by cop is kind of selfish, a lot of cops don’t want to kill people and they get ptsd from something like that it can change a cops life forever even affect his sleep

[@joekraft5913]

The man's name who passed away was Hunter Tice of Mission Viejo California. He seemed like a wonderful guy who like many of us, feel crushed under the weight of living in the modern world, over worked under paid and under appreciated. I hope his family and friends find peace in his absence. Pray for them

[@salahgh3081]

Looks like drugs to me

[@gghostmanerepost8041]

Criminal

[@xDOOM95]

We’re all criminals you fuckin dumbass from the federal government down

[@platinumbrick6]

@@gghostmanerepost8041 damn y’all are relentless, I pray nothing like this ever happens to your family

[@randompandora]

Nothing of lethal consequence is shown until he tries to leave, the cops could have been lying about the rest. (Cops lie, and that one cop clearly didn't care if he lived or died)

[@jacobwatson5264]

This is hands down one of the most valuable channels on KZbin, great source of life saving information

[@takethebaitmate1920]

Yes

[@criticaldan8579]

Hear this man talk!! He’s right!!

[@Cota332]

#simp

[@jacobwatson5264]

@@Cota332 haha nice

[@IAmNextUp]

John is a force of nature!!!!

[@jfukura]

What is wrong with people? “Oh. The cops are here pointing guns my direction. Maybe I should investigate what they are doing and stand down range of their barrels.”

[@sativalemonhaze2558]

Sometimes you just have to let natural selection take place

[@JaKingScomez]

Their property they can be outside and watch if they want

[@wymonwatson1309]

@@JaKingScomez They can indeed, they are also endangering themselves and the officers, I get that it's their property but that doesn't make it okay to stand there with your head up your ass making an already dangerous situation even more difficult.

[@mototacularlife5267]

The cops providing a single warning is fine, but wasting their fucking time screaming to get back inside is just a waste of time focus on the task at hand

[@thuggwaffle8825]

Most among the general public are outrageously nosey and under the assumption that they are entitled to information..

[@terryknuckles8277]

Sad to see. Mental health is no joke.

[@aka_rook]

@@mandatethis8236 because he's a prong?

[@AngelloDelNorte]

Distressed, depression, torment, or despair yeah no joke. Some ppl would just give up and end it all.

[@stay_in_school-8048]

@@kimkim2718 🤡

[@tera_2024]

@@BeingConsciousness-yw3zw - I wish the worst for you 🙏🏻

[@Marvin16495]

@@BeingConsciousness-yw3zw I can’t believe there’s people out there who think like you

[@AllynHin]

I really appreciate that the cop was talking to the guy in full sentences in normal tones instead of screaming "Drop the knife! Drop the knife! Drop the knife!" in panicked repetition until it stopped being recognized as words.

[@rayromano6249]

I have to say this is one of the best communication vids I've seen on this channel. They weren't repeatedly saying the same stupid shit over and over, like only saying "put the knife down"

[@Benji_ZZZ]

Let’s be cognizant of the situation here; the guy was in his car posing a threat to no one but himself (it’s also noted he was suicidal) so of course they weren’t going to repeatedly yell at him to put the knife down stressing him out even more. Most of the time you see them yelling to “put the knife down” when the subject is out their vehicle posing a threat to the people around them. Every situation is different and I do believe the initial officers’ approach was correct in this case. It doesn’t mean that yelling “put the knife down” in general is the wrong way to go about trying to talk to an armed person.

[@AllynHin]

@@Benji_ZZZ Oh spare me the point-by-point critique of my comment. I appreciated that I got to see a cop actually act like a human being instead of a hysterical and panicked Karen. It happens so seldom, I wanted to say that I was glad to see it *could* happen. I don't need you explaining the nuances of John's video. I got it. And I hate to disagree, but after yelling "DROPTHEKNIFE!DROPTHEKNIFE!DROPTHEKNIFE!" 42 times, the syllables cease to make words and just sound like some weird chant. I think that is the wrong way to get an armed person to....oh I dunno....drop the knife?

[@sazon860]

He did okay

[@Benji_ZZZ]

@@AllynHin no I won’t spare you the “point-by-point critique” because this is real life, not sunshine and rainbows like you expect it to be. Working in law enforcement is a very dangerous job and if someone is armed with a knife and out in the open there is often no room to converse. Give me the link to a video where a cop says drop the knife 42 times, I’ll wait…because it seems as if you have some underlying hate for law enforcement who put their lives above an armed perp. If you are told to drop a weapon and you don’t after multiple commands, you are forfeiting your right to live. If this offends you so much how about you become a cop and try to talk to an armed perp who isn’t cooperating.

[@tonystokes1119]

There was more to it then the accident. Why would you wanna run towards police for that. He wanted to end whatever he was going through.

[@tera_2024]

Right, but what is your point?

[@johnketz9656]

I agree with you Tony. No point needed.

[@sibsart2039]

I’m sure they got that with the title

[@snorlaxxin8875]

@@BeingConsciousness-yw3zw that isn’t cool broooo… us as people need to understand the mental health crisis. I don’t disagree with the officers, but this man was going through something deep. Forcing other people to kill you comes from something deeply rooted in their mental

[@CarlosMartinez-pc9wv]

Cop by suicide isn’t rare at all..

[@guruoo]

I winced when he used "comply" too, Mike. Guy's a suicide threat, not a criminal, so shouldn't speak to him like you would a criminal..

[@AlbertAnastasia.]

When I watch a video on this channel, it makes me feel good somehow - even though such horrible things happen. I am convinced lives will literally be saved (and have been) through this channel. I know I've benefitted from it in scary situations a few times.

[@thuggwaffle8825]

I drive backroads in rural Oregon to work at 3:00 am every morning.. The other day their was a van parked on the side of the road facing me with their brights on.. Before I found this channel I wouldn’t have thought twice about it but after I found it my mind instantly goes to “what’s the best option if they try to harm me” which is awesome it gets people thinking about safety..

[@weakw1ll]

RIGHT. Not only saving lives, but saving bones, limbs, teeth, wallets, cars. I mean self protection is about staying safe overall and these dudes are thorough and unbiased

[@weakw1ll]

Maybe even just saving relationships from petty arguments and stuff man it goes deep ✊🏿✊🏻✊🏽

[@weakw1ll]

9:15 everything this guy said here was a perfect example

[@buckyes6749]

@@itzfosheezzy2677 you don’t know anything about this guy. GFY

[@countryknights727]

These kind of outcomes always hurts my heart. I can't imagine how someone must feel or their line of thinking when they make that decision to longer be. I've had some pretty crazy bad outcomes in life. I'm extremely thankful my heart, soul and mind has never entertained not being. And I'm more than sure alot of those out there that night. Had their hearts hurting that night too.

[@SigmaMale9901]

He was not a Bad Guy... He was a Sad Guy. 😥 He chose the wrong path.

[@ronlee619]

THANK YOU MIKE WILLIVER for saying that we Truly Are made in the Image of GOD !!! Most tend to forget that ! Bless u my Brother ! ! !

[@foruminfo9079]

God is nothing like humans, that's an insult to god.

[@ronlee619]

@@foruminfo9079 Then plz read the first chapter of Genesis v 27 "So God created man in His own image; In the image of God created He him; male & female He created them"

[@foruminfo9079]

@@ronlee619 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... all the men of the city shall stone him with stones, that he die ....(Dt. 21:18, 21). Are you going to believe that too? Just because it is in some book, doesn't make it true. Humans are 99% chimpanzees. So you're going to say god is also 99% chimpanzee? Please learn critical thinking.

[@anthonyloconte7835]

What's up with the idiot neighbors having to be repeatedly told to get lost?

[@wymondgoolsby8070]

Perhaps they would know better than the officers how to get this man more compliant?

[@dechezhaast]

@@wymondgoolsby8070 If he fucking knew he should’ve said otherwise nosy nancies get shot

[@anthonyloconte7835]

@@shulishow lol love that. You made me laugh.

[@roscoeschickenandwaffles6317]

@@shulishow genuine question here. Why does everyone dump on social workers? Not all of them overstep the lines. Most just do their job and do it well, what's in the best interest of families or the individual.

[@laststand6587]

Concerned citizen checking to see what's going on and observing no abuse of power is happening or rights being violated? Some people are active in protecting their neighborhood rather than submissively hiding in their closet when there is a disturbance. He moved back out of the danger zone once told and understood the situation better. Nothing idiotic about those actions.

[@goodvibes3939]

Sad outcome indeed, I'm sorry to the loss of that family and I'm happy no officers were injured

[@concretejungle6938]

@@locochang6533 ty

[@MrScalilou]

This guy didn't die, he underwent surgery and survived

[@brucefruechte3270]

Deputy; "I said bring less lethal! Not more!"

[@RP-dv3pw]

How much money do you think this incident cost the American tax payer? All the homeless , mentally ill and criminals are going to break us very soon.

[@justkate2529]

Be cheaper to staff the asylums that they closed down for "Budget purposes".

[@R.J.G469]

This guy was suicidal. He wasnt robbing or killing people. You talk like you think your so important. Like you life matters more than somone because they have issues or suicidal thoughts. What do you do so important for the world. What do you think we should do with homless or mentaly ill? Just kill them? As long as the person isn't robbing or hurting anyone then they have every right to be as they want. Not talking about actual killers or robbers. Listen to the lessons instead of watching strictly for the violence.

[@RP-dv3pw]

@@R.J.G469 his and your problems are not my or the tax payers problems. I don’t want anyone to be hurt. But no one is above personal responsibility. If you or that guy need help, then get it. But once you become a danger to everyone it’s too late.

[@RP-dv3pw]

@Fick Dich or or just may be, the crazy guy could have not charged cops with the intent to kill.

[@R.J.G469]

@@RP-dv3pw I'm not American? I'm homeless suicidal and don't pay taxes? Never did I use the word I. Your response was just an assumption that is far from true. You have a lot to say about things when you don't have a solution yourself. There will always be homless and mentally ill people. It's called life. Its a problem that will never go away. So instead of complaining about it come up with a solution and stop thinking your so special. Most of us pay taxes. You don't seem to know what taxes even are or are for. You and I are no better than people like this. You do nothing special for the world. Like I said not including murders ect.

[@Nonayabizness360]

That cop was the absolute worst negotiator 🤮his sincerity level sounded like he was hitting himself in the head with a brick. I honestly hope they both got better training after this.

[@christovelasquez9595]

This was a great example of de-escalation. The offciers communicated clearly and only fired on him when he chose suicide by cop. All officers need to elevate their game to this level when dealing with those experiencing a mental health crisis.

[@stevehodgkins8801]

Well, if you know so much - how about you develop a teaching curriculum? Even better yet, go and join the local police force. Because we all need people like you calling the shots and wearing a badge to know what exactly to do, no matter what!!!!

[@freezerfingers]

@@stevehodgkins8801 Steve it's okay bro chill man

[@jimmywilliams1374]

@@stevehodgkins8801 I think you have tuned in to the wronged channel Steve

[@adoho]

Sorry, but this still isn't enough. Guy still died because HE KNEW he would be killed if he charged. If the police changed the protocol, suicide by cop would not be as prevalent as it is. But cops aren't the heros they want everyone to think they are so this will continue.

[@elv7701]

really? this was good? Starting with a gun pointed. Standard police protocol for suicidal people is to not approach with a firearm as it makes them more nervous and panicked. This was terrible, and was completely against protocol. Stop excusing cops doing poor jobs because they didn't immediately kill someone. Isn't it funny how its now a standard for cops to kill someone later instead of immediately? shouldn't it be not killing someone at all? especially when its OBVIOUS they pose no harm to you they just want you to kill them. Shithead cops, just wanna kill someone.

[@MedicTraut]

Literally my heart goes out to this poor soul, and the officers. I know none of them wanted to shoot him, and you know he wasn’t going to stab an officer, I mean you don’t know, but he knew we was never gonna make it to them. And for the officers in a situation like that, they assume he’s not there to hurt them, but that’s a big chance to take. Just a horrible outcome all the way around. But the officers did their job to the best of their ability. I feel like every officer needs to have some skill in talking to a suicidal person. I know it’s just more training and it cost money, but it’s a good thing to learn wording techniques to talk someone down from ending their life. That and learning hour to talk with someone who’s not mentally sound. I’m glad no one else got hurt, definitely sad that this had to happen. R.I.P buddy, hope you’re able to find your happiness in the afterlife.

[@BkBk-gy6vr]

Oh well

[@LuckySawdust]

Seeing the way he ran towards the officers at the end... he was terrified of what he was about to do... he looked like he was bracing himself to take a running jump off a cliff into the abyss.

[@conker206]

I have an idea and wanted to hear people's thoughts: If I were a cop, part of me thinks it would be a good idea to offer beer or pizza to someone having a mental crisis, even if you're lying about it. I know what you're thinking "Cops aren't the food delivery people we can't do that." But if you think about it, food and beer are typically a fun, happy part of life to take part in and could potentially calm down someone. Maybe in the moment, the suspect will reflect back on he and his friends all sitting down laughing, eating pizza and having a beer. As a deputy, you could convey the idea that the suspect could sit down and vent over a beer (while in custody).

[@MATTP545]

Maybe not offer them alcohol but I do get your point. Might not be a terrible idea

[@joekraft5913]

Not a bad idea man

[@conker206]

@@joekraft5913 Sometimes all it takes is two guy sitting down with a few beers and a few slices of pizza just to get things off their chest.

[@joekraft5913]

@@conker206 I hear you brother I cant even tell ya how many times I've been down and out and I take a rainy walk down to the local dive bar and all my neighbors are so happy to see me and we share a few pints, vent about our frustrations and what we are goin through in life and then all the sudden ya feel better, you're laughing and and then we end up ordering a pizza or 2 from the pizza factory right next door (pizza factory in Loomis california its awesome!) Anyway I think your idea is wonderful and it shows your humanity and understanding well my friend, cheers to you for that!

[@ModernViking828]

This is a fantastic idea!

[@jamesballiew6269]

It's sad to see a man think about it, and I've thought about the same thing, but thankfully, I'm still around, but it sucks to see another person follow up on it. It especially hurts since I've read books in English class about mental illness

[@reverbandchill3425]

What books?

[@jasonyates790]

Keep em coming guys love the content and when people ask me why would I carry I just show them ASP videos and they for the most part get it so thanks guys

[@obornyi2407]

the ones who don't get it will be the ones who can't help themself when the time comes

[@tharegular]

@@obornyi2407 they’ll be the ones who end up content on the channel

[@calisleevesja2846]

These outcomes are 100% preventable, these officers had over THREE HOURS to come up with a plan to prevent this man to force suicide by cop. He only had a knife, they could have set up a bigger perimeter then pelted him with tasers and non lethals the moment he tried to leave the vehicle or even while he is in it to ensure this man lives.

[@hankwells2637]

I hope this is satire

[@Gruesome_j]

@@rsandoval9203 maybe you should follow his lead so no one has to deal with garbage like you again either

[@sasukedemon888888888]

funny satire. It's a shame too many people genuinely think this way. police aren't some magical external force with unlimited resources. it's flesh and blood people just like you and me bound up in an excessive system of bureaucratic BS.

[@HaotoAnimeOnPiano]

_"We will save you by force."_ Jokes aside, social workers think everything would go perfectly, as if all of the outcomes are preventable. Naive.

[@chasingthefish9042]

You joke right? The average knife welding manic can absolutely cover some ground. if you watch this channel or other channels with body cameras you will see tazers arent as effective as the companies that make them want you to think.

[@brandob8180]

Dude might not have been suicidal but after talking to the officers for 5 minutes helped make up his mind.

[@oldschooljeremy8124]

Reminded me of the guy in the 'Scatterbrain' song "Don't Call Me Dude".

[@willierants5880]

Powerful lessons gentlemen. Thank you.

[@nephikemper5157]

3 hrs to come up with a plan, and nobody had a bean bag or taser ready for when he exited the vehicle? 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jeremyowen1]

Fantastic work from all parties involved. Unfortunately it's likely he made his decision long before their arrival.

[@marcovisalli1993]

really? no paramedics in 3 hour standing? no expert in the suicidal situations? shooting should be the last option, there are others way to stop and prevent this.

[@repent_0ne]

🤮

[@justinmix143]

Yeah. Fantastic job of ten guys confronting a suicidial guy with guns pointed at him. For being suicidal. What a surprising outcome. Yer a f#%king moron

[@801ryanf]

Feel bad for everyone in this. Sad.

[@JamMaster0011]

"we DON'T have to do something if he start stabbing himself." 😂😂😂😂

[@impuseuser]

He's like naw don't be stupid bro

[@JamMaster0011]

@@impuseuser facts

[@nephikemper5157]

Yeah. "Protect and Serve" is a fundraising slogan, not an oath.

[@MrMrTravman]

@@nephikemper5157 Only to a reasonable e degree thats true. You cant stop someone stabbing himself without risking getting stabbed yourself. Maybe if you could critically think about the situation you wouldnt have such hatred for Police, eh?

[@AndresDX1]

I mean what are they gonna do? If he doesnt put the knife down eventually they will have to but if he does it himself they gonna shoot him to kill him faster? If they were going to use non lethal they should have used it before not as hes stabbing himself..

[@ItsShatter]

“Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and if you choose to keep on living and persevere through this terrible time in your life, things will get better.” I think this is a wise quote and more cops should use it.

[@jonarbuckle1102]

It was really sad watching this. Especially that split second where he gets out, and you can see what he intends to do. I feel so bad for the officers who had to kill him, his family, and anyone else that this hurt.

[@jasjfl]

Props to these police for not unloading their whole damn clips like some do. They did what they needed to get him down and then stopped.

[@aaroncapps5922]

Got to come up with some kind of less than lethal cast net.

[@luke8222]

They have that and tons of other options. They shouldn’t have given that man what he wanted.

[@aaroncapps5922]

Agreed Luke

[@tvc153]

What do you think? Maybe hand him a cup of hot chocolate and ask if he wants to be tucked in? He was mentally disturbed with a knife in his hand

[@Leereynolds1971]

You can really tell the first officer wasnt very comfortable in his de-escalation skills.

[@rufus5007]

Isn't there another way to detain the subject without using lethal force?

[@jefffrei4671]

Give him a Bible 🤣 😂

[@Johnnyboy414]

After 3 hours of waiting and how many cops are there I'm sure they could have had at least 3 different tasers pointed at him. But of course they'd rather pepper the people with lead instead.

[@kinbolluck476]

YES

[@illusorytrutheffect]

No.. there is not.. HE HAS A FUCKING KNIFE

[@lanzarexiya]

i’ve been suicidal my whole life. i’ve had run ins with cops before. it was at the lowest point in my life and the cops had their guns- i stood there for hours contemplating charging them so they’ll kill me or if i should just follow their orders. i took the latter and i was escorted to a mental hospital. the way there was oddly calm despite how awful it could’ve been. the cops were really chill and i’m glad i’m still here. god forbid you’re ever in that situation but it’s so worth it to just go with the cops. i thought my life was over and that i had lost anything considering my charges, but i got the help i needed. and so can you! so don’t give up, accept help from others because your life can only get better from that point. stay patient and stay strong. ❤ much love, youtube comment section

[@ActiveSelfProtection]

So glad you're still here!

[@mrpowerfull100]

Negotiations: “Hey it will be okay.” “Come out with your hands up?” “It will be okay” “Hey!?! How can we get you to comply?” Seriously can’t officer’s figure out how to relate with someone??? Like hey, is there anyone you want us to call for you? Do you have any children? What about your mom, can we contact her for you? Your mom loves you! Maybe something will snap him out of it. Seriously I get it, I just think there should be better training when it comes to these situations!

[@patts6153]

That deputy didn’t exactly have the gift of negotiation…

[@NotGoodAtFantasy]

I’ve seen better negotiating skills from a kindergartner

[@Freeman-Dl70]

Cop: "it ain't the end of the world" Guy in truck: "I beg to differ"

[@wardenwilkes4510]

You never truly know what a person is going through. Talk to your loved ones. See how everyone is doing.

[@alewis8765]

The first officer trying to talk had the compassion of a pointy stick. This would have been a better approach, not a good one, but better than how he chose his words: "The crisis management manual says I should attempt to form a human bond. How do you want me to bond with you?"

[@JOHNBURG1917]

Sounds like a father patronizing his daughter. There needs to be more camaraderie in situations like this. Be relatable. Cops should explain they are sinners just like he is.

[@llIlIlllII]

I'd love to see you do better

[@natemontgomery5740]

Thanks for all the lessons, this is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels.

[@Ethernet480]

The other thing I don’t understand: Regular cops: “hey man we are here for you, we want to help, can we get you to a hospital?” Crisis intervention team: “COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP!” Lol what?!?

[@elli6220]

That was after three hours of negotiations...

[@johnjohnson4237]

That was also the cops saying "come out with your hands up" you big goof

[@Jiu-JitsuJourney257]

We can arm chair quarterback all day but we won’t know how we would act in these situations.

[@400fps]

Ok, so I’m not trying to bash the officers but I feel like they’re getting a tiny bit too much praise. Out the gate I was like “😳 poor choice of words” and they even mention those issues. Next, 3 hours, 3 hours and they were not able to create a less lethal environment? Sorry but I’m calling this one a fail.

[@stevehodgkins8801]

If someone is willing to hurt you - badly, or tries to kill you to force your hand, mental health is not longer the problem. They made the decision knowing the outcome. It is sad, but that it gets to this point is purely the individuals fault. You cannot help/save everyone. This is unfortunate but unavoidable. Especially in todays society. Stay safe.

[@youraveragegamer4885]

That a very ablest way of thinking. People in mental health crisis can not always reason the outcome of there decisions. A person who is driven to the point to hurt themselves has lost the ability for clear logical reasoning. This is not to say it is the officers fault but it’s not the victims either.

[@rx7dude2006]

Then you don't understand mental illness.

[@conradvonsydow2493]

@@youraveragegamer4885 You mean a completely logical and pragmatic way of thinking. Just because someone with mental problems isn't thinking clearly doesn't mean it's not their fault. Actions have consequences, regardless of our ability to comprehend them.

[@youraveragegamer4885]

@@conradvonsydow2493 Applying your logic it is a child fault if they drown in a pool. Not there parents failure to watch them. Or in this case are societies failure to provide adequate resources to the mentally ill and stigmatizing mental illness. I guess we can agree to disagree.

[@conradvonsydow2493]

@@youraveragegamer4885 This man is clearly not a child, comparing him to one is intellectually dishonest and I think you know that. Children are the ONLY class of people not (fully) responsible for their actions. Sure, treatment of the mentally ill (and detection thereof) could be a lot better, but just because someone was neglected by the system doesn't suddenly remove their culpability for their actions.

[@AlkalineGamingHD]

Love the cohost. Helps to engender a discussion though all the points are great. Two presenters have two views means more understanding overall for the lot of us!

[@Dragracer612]

He got the outcome he apparently wanted, never mind the means to the end.

[@dachagsgo8176]

Thought he wanted’

[@foghornleghorn6383]

You ask; you shall receive!

[@bretmartel7469]

When they threatened to shoot the bystander but also try to convince the driver its "all ok"

[@kennethcurtis1856]

@Bret Martel he warned the bystanders if they didn't move they were his backdrop.

[@DogeCoinTooTheMoon]

Some of these videos that are shown on here are old some are new, but all tell us to just be kind to each other. People could be going threw things we can't understand. We're all here at the same time and life is the blink of a Como's eye

[@russellstephan6844]

They were there for hours, right? Order a dozen sausage pizzas and let the smell get to the perp... A gesture and the act of breaking bread is an incredible motivator for calming nerves and gaining an opening for cooperation. Can't fault the actions of the professionals on this one. Still, we can do better.

[@FirstnameLastName-mr8lk]

Yeah I don't blame the cops but feel like they definitely could have put up barriers and used a non lethal weapon instead of just standing by their cars pointing they guns at him

[@Grimmwalt]

@@FirstnameLastName-mr8lk barriers... like what for instance?

[@FirstnameLastName-mr8lk]

@@Grimmwalt Like little steel fence type things they use for crowd control, since the dude had a knife they could have put some form of a barrier up so that they could use non lethal force since he wouldnt be able to reach them as easily

[@clarktruett2947]

that was one of the best I've seen of trying to talk to him in a way that seamed sincere and really wanted to help him

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

"Dude! Get out of here! We have guns out! We could shoot you" "It's okay man. It's no big deal. We don't want to hurt you." 🤔 Some mixed messages being flung out there. Idk how many officers were there, but it seems like it would have been better for one of them to walk over to the looky-loos and tell them to go inside out of earshot of the suicidal guy. Just sayin'.

[@1ofyouforme]

I love how they act like some vinyl siding, plywood and drywall is going to save him if rounds do go his way.

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

@@1ofyouforme 🤣🤣🤣

[@r-btoofficial7865]

Man, wish there were another way of handling people like this.

[@BRUCEJJ66]

I'm in no position to second guess the police, I'm not doing their job, wouldn't want to, but I am curious as to why they didn't at some point taze this guy while he was sitting in the vehicle? Wouldn't that likely make him drop the knife? Was it an option? I realize this outcome was what the young man chose/insisted on, but I don't fully understand why this was law enforcement's only option, perhaps someone could offer clarification.

[@StrikerFin]

They dont think, the react on training not logics.

[@dgpatter]

Please recommend the model of taser that works through a closed window.

[@Seniormeowingtons]

@@dgpatter Like cops don't use batons to break windows literally every fucking day lmao

[@StrikerFin]

@@bwofficial1776 They had hours what u talking about?

[@StrikerFin]

@@bwofficial1776 The window was a barrier proctecting them from a knife? Ok... lmao

[@chevyss6697]

Family would say, he's a good man, father, son and sibling! He was just going to run home because he was scared, and he was never going to hurt or injury any of the Police Officers!

[@dr_kellogg]

One big thing I think they can do to help de-escalate the situation is to use different color lights once it's determined it's not a criminal offense and a mental situation or something. those cherries and berries usually bring out major anxiety in almost everyone. maybe something like green and yellow or something else. I'm all about protecting officers yet they had all the time in the world to prepare for this situation, yet immediately fired at him once he got out. have shields and be ready to get inside the vehicles you're standing next to. don't kill the dude immediately. I'm not saying what they did was wrong but we can learn from these situations.

[@clownform]

agree 100%

[@0BuLLeT01]

You may be on to something with the lights. I disagree about your second point though. They only fired once he charged at them. They could have used less lethal, but that's risky at best and would likely have ended the same way. They need to retain control of the situation, and letting an unstable person run around unchecked with a knife is a bad idea.

[@dr_kellogg]

@@0BuLLeT01 I know I said what they did wasn't wrong but in situations they can prepare for they shouldn't fire at him even if he is charging with a knife. Get in the vehicle close the doors with windows up. If he starts to break the glass, which we know is surprisingly hard with a knife, then you can fire but that also allows officers that aren't pushed inside their vehicles to hit him with less than lethal force. This was 100% avoidable if they had better training and forethought for situations like this. Like I said though we can figure out ways to de-escalate this without straight killing the dude.

[@danulman8837]

With all the cops there at the end-nobody had a friggin’ taser or a bean bag gun!!!!!!!!!

[@RealEstateInsider247]

I commend the officers on their effort, however, when he said, "What can I do to get you to comply"??? Oh my goodness. That is NOT the right thing to say. This officer needs more training for a crisis situation like this. I think the word "comply" is a trigger word. He just sent this distressed young man's head spinning into even more distress and confusion (IMHO). I know they hated the outcome and tried their best. Just an unfortunate situation that was understandably difficult to read.

[@Aikibiker1]

It sucks, but you cannot save the life of every crazy guy that charges at the police with a knife in his hand.

[@durrtybuck8949]

Them: “Yo bro it’s okay, it’s not the end of the world…” Also them: “GET THE F**K IN THE HOUSE! HE HAS A GUN!!!”

[@k-don2750]

Yeah first 2 cops were a couple of untrained morons

[@SuperDaleski1]

The stupidity of people standing in the line of fire.

[@jackbrightside]

Could non-lethal measures have been used to this instance?

[@Manu_Lemoine_FR]

yes in France we have flashballs, it throws rubber tennis balls that put you on the ground.

[@sebby324]

Yes but they are American

[@sebby324]

@@Manu_Lemoine_FR I’m English we have baton guns that launch beanbags

[@jackbrightside]

@@sebby324 I'm American and I'm asking this question

[@Manu_Lemoine_FR]

@@themobseat it must be horrible for the police, 3H for this result. sleeping after that must be terrible. full of questions: "what should I have said?" "do what?"

[@Spook291]

They are trying to talk him down while pointing a gun at him

[@jvmicc2]

Keep killing it ASP Team. Always on point.

[@sebby324]

Literally

[@weakw1ll]

@@sebby324 cmon man

[@sebby324]

@@weakw1ll he he

[@weakw1ll]

@@sebby324 moonwalk on outta here bwa

[@sebby324]

@@weakw1ll 🕺

[@RMR1]

I hate this. It's so sad to see a young person hurting so much -- not because of a physical ailment or an accident or a broken heart -- but from the act of living itself. Lots of things can make us hurt or be sad or have a bad day or week, but for someone who is clinically depressed, those kinds of things pile on to an already existing feeling of despair. It's unconscionable that a country as wealthy and as rich in health-care resources as the United States spends so little on mental health care and puts so little emphasis on it. You'd think our leaders in both parties could come to a consensus on something as critical and as toxic as that, but no -- they can't even come together to do that. Pathetic.

[@thebiggestoneyouveverhad]

Officer Dude and other officer Dude did a real job trying to help the Dude with the knife. Then all these other Dudes show up and are like " Dude! What's going on?" Then officer Dude is like "DUDES! CAN'T YOU SEE I'M POINTING A GUN!?"...

[@JENNIFERLPR]

I think the first offer did an excellent job! The word comply sounds great to me, better than “work with me”. Him doing all the talking is wonderful.

[@lead5s]

wonder what happened to the less lethal they had coming? intense situation. sad ending.

[@lead5s]

@@themobseat i thought they were gonna try and taze him sittin there in his truck. but once he came out of that truck they did what they had to do, its understandable

[@wdtiger]

Everyone keeps saying "why didn't they taze him?" Tasers suck and maybe work half the time. I say bless him with the hot sauce. These guys needed some Pom spray!

[@youraveragegamer4885]

A potential tactic I thought of for a situation like this. Block both doors with squad cars. That way you don’t move the car till he throws the knife out the window. This would almost entirely eliminate the risk of him rushing them.You could then also deploy tear gas or flash bangs in the car if he start harming himself to try and disrupt that.

[@m0cha.]

Ah yes, a great solution to a suicidal man in emotional distress. Flashbang him and gas him out in a car that you've blocked both doors on so he can't leave. That'll really make him want to keep living. Pathetic idiot.

[@sarahshowalter9539]

That homeowner did a terrible job of not staying out of the line of fire!

[@aj1.]

Pathetic police work to be honest. Screaming at him, surrounding him with their guns out the whole time, and overall doing nothing but intermediating him. What exactly were they trying to achieve? Also, "if he stabs himself we don't have to do anything." Seriously? What was the point of that?!

[@crystalprovince765]

that cop cop was right they should have backed up and waited for backup with less lethal weapon

[@masteryeet9647]

I don’t think they needed their guns out the whole time. Upon initially seeing the knife of course draw your gun but I don’t think threatening someone with their life when they are thinking about taking their own life.. seems like a weird approach

[@nolagospeltracts8264]

The cops are supposed to know what he's thinking?

[@masteryeet9647]

No not at all. I don’t think they did anything wrong. I’m just commenting on the irony. The dude obviously wanted to take a dirt nap.

[@masteryeet9647]

@Femboy Friday I agree

[@garypratt7643]

You don't run at the police with a knife in your hand. Bad decision by the perp.

[@Kyoto99952]

(sigh) I saw this coming from miles away, his successfully completed his mission. He was never going to hurt himself with a knife, too scared. Police shooting at him is more effective. The female cop ruined it with being so abrupt and demanding. He thought ''well the hell with it then''

[@Haein-yk6no]

All the bleeps make me think the negotiation would have gone better if they stopped calling him dirty names.

[@danielgogola]

This isn't an officer's job. We're asking too much of Police to ask them to be mental health officials as well. My heart goes out to everyone involved but this was a shitshow. By the time someone has a knife to their own throat, there's little an officer is capable of doing to change the outcome with some exceptions of course. Those are the outliers and not the rule though. Most of the time I'd imagine this is precisely how it ends

[@opensourceecon]

Exactly

[@mrsig7381]

No way, Most of the time police talk down people that feel there's no hope, you just don't see it on the main stream media, cause they don't want police to look like they save people, they want to make them to look like cold blooded killers. That's the lefts agenda.

[@papimaximus95]

John said they called the Crisis Intervention team.

[@OfficialBradChristian]

This is just common sense. They only did one thing wrong and that was the way they talked to him. You get the officers to lower the light just a little so it’s not shining directly on his face… Then you walk around the passenger side and ask him to roll down his window so you can chat with him. This puts loads of space between you and him and you would be able to act very quickly to step back or even run. And then you talk to him like a real human being. Ask him what happened, ask him what his name was, tell him your name, tell him a few things personal about yourself and that it was a rough day for you too. There is a definite chance they could’ve talked him down out of the tree, but he didn’t feel close enough to anybody and so he used “suicide by cop“ as his way out. In the end, you’ve got to take into account this is a knife, and he’s already inside a car. There’s a little bit of room to work with him on this.

[@zionkid28]

These officers and everyone involved did a great job to save this guys life and to make sure he wouldn't get hurt but he had the final vote. I'm glad also that this one officer did stay on the radio to let not only dispatch know what was going on but everything they do is on record so that it can help later. But either way these peoples did the best they could for this guy.

[@papimaximus95]

John said this was a 3 hour stand-off. After 3 hours, the only plan they had if the guy started running was to shoot him? No K-9 unit, no CS canister or OC fogger into the vehicle. No LTL bean bags. Just light the guy up is the best that came up with.

[@cptcolt2254]

Wait.. did you see a different video?

[@brandonihde4879]

Nothing in life is worth doing that to yourself. Everything is temporary

[@Iamrightyouarewrong]

Pretty freaking evil to force someone else to kill you, no pity for the perp.

[@mybackhurts7020]

Sad So many of us are so stupid when were Young

[@ToneG116]

First time I've seen a youtube video with no views, oh wait, uploaded 18sec ago..........

[@straynite1491]

You're point?

[@geigelg77]

2.68 million lmao 🤣

[@ToneG116]

@@straynite1491 tell your mom to get out of my bed already

[@dankhalifa6937]

@@geigelg77 dont do meth

[@lorrainedaloba7292]

Wow the amount of videos I just watched of yours. Actually that's all I watched for 3 days straight

[@borabora4480]

Early on they could have identified this individual and called him by his first name. I too thought the primary communicator should have dropped his weapon as he spoke to the driver. Using the word "comply" does not help. Not very personable. the terminology reflects command and control not a personal connection. De-escalation is difficult to perceive when multiple officers have firearms pointed at you. With the door closed, the immediate threat to officers was not present. Caution, yes, immediate no. maintain some distance and have the mental health professional communicate with the driver.

[@squalie9]

Mental health professionals aren't miracle workers. The don't have magical soothing voices that turn homicidal and suicidal people docile. They don't have specific words that make mental breakdowns disappear. De-escalation is at this point nothing more than a red herring buzzword people use to deflect from real world situations.

[@patriotplays6990]

Certainly not bad points at all, I thought the first officers on scene did better than the crisis intervention team did though.

[@borabora4480]

@@patriotplays6990 I agree. At the point he attacked the officers, they had no choice than to shoot. No dispute there, but I hate that it got to that point. sometimes officers have no choice. In this case I would have preferred other choices made early on and maybe, just maybe a different outcome would have resulted. I think it is too low of a bar to simply ask our officers to be willing to be patient and not push an outcome. they have other resources at their disposal in that time period. I do not expect them to be mental health professionals. It was obvious he was having some mental health breakdown which would require professional help. why weren't those professionals called in? I just do not get it. Hours passed. Having additional guns pointed at you by officers does not change one's mental state other than increase futility. If you come with limited tools in your toolbox, that is all you use. If it is not the most appropriate ones, do not expect a good outcome.

[@sephinew3333]

His suicide method was police force. He did that on purpose.

[@sproutpits]

Serious question: Do cops actually think this kind of approach sounds genuine? People aren't usually as stupid as one would have to be not to immediately see through the "you're not in trouble" lie. If you want to reach someone in a situation like this, you need to actually be genuine.

[@MrTmenzo]

Armchair expert. The perpetrator has a weapon and the cops are trying to deescalate it (by not trying to defend themselves)

[@gggromay]

officer1: "maybe we should push back" to give him space to caml down. officer2: no, if he stabs himself I need to shoot him, I need to stop him from harming himself by killing him wtf... 3:35

[@kvmalley]

Most unfortunate to go that long and to such great length, then have that final outcome! Kudos to deputies for a job well done, and condolences to have to pull the trigger after all!

[@papimaximus95]

John said this was a 3 hour stand-off. After 3 hours, the only plan they had if the guy started running was to shoot him? No K-9 unit, no CS canister or OC fogger into the vehicle. No LTL bean bags. Just light the guy up is the best that came up with.

[@goblinzl1]

@@papimaximus95 thats a great point. any type of stun grenade or gas to get him to comply without using deadly force?

[@seektruth3307]

It is so hard. Some people just reach a point and have been contemplating this for a while and one incident like this auto accident was the point that pushed him into fatal decision. These officers did a great job and behaved in an impeccably professional manner. I think they did as much as could ever be expected. This should be viewed as a training video.

[@anotherDnightmare]

If someone is telling me I’m not in trouble whilst pointing a gun at me may make me think there are mixed messages going on.

[@Sunova_Gun]

Well don’t have a weapon

[@anotherDnightmare]

Just saying a low-ready position might have been a bit of an option. I’m ok with the guy taking the asphalt temp challenge. It’s what he wanted.

[@hunterhorton2513]

I don’t know if I’m the only one who thought the deputy saying “No we don’t. We don’t have to do something if he starts stabbing himself.” was kind of messed up

[@sbreheny]

Awesome, Mike, that you say that even someone who has committed awful crimes is still made in the image of God.

[@lagoonlane]

Excellent verbalization

[@namelesswalaby]

the cop is giving mixed messaging, doesn't know how to handle the guy in the car and takes his anger out on bystanders. "we dont have to stop him if he starts stabbing himself" when was the last time he had a psych eval? what happened to the LTL solution? they could have given this guy some space and treated it like a felony stop and taken him alive.

[@muffemod]

you tell 'em keyboard cowboy

[@LetsTalkAboutPrepping]

Piece of advice: if someone is stabbing themselves and you try to intervene, they're GOING TO START STABBING YOU. the officer was reminding his partner that they don't have to get themselves stabbed just cause some guy decides to stab himself

[@chiggy515]

escalation dance begins with calm words - throwing around the F bomb only elevates the stress level - glad to see they slowed their roll - gun at the low ready as you urge compliance is better than pointing it when the person isnt an imminent threat