Unit Design 101 - Trainees & Villagers

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Units that start weak and (potentially) grow strong. How has Fire Emblem used these sorts of units? What counts as a Trainee? Let me know what your opinions on Trainees are in the comments or on Discord.
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@MaddMoke
@MaddMoke 5 ай бұрын
Conquest Mozu is peak zero to hero and I will gladly replay Fates just to experience that again
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Mozu is a weird example I couldn't exactly fit in because her big benefit mostly comes from her class access in CQ being unique for the cast and genuinely useful, iirc. Her growths are good enough to make her work without too painful of a training arc, even if she doesn't have the sheer stat ball energy of Donnell.
@platonismisoop2152
@platonismisoop2152 5 ай бұрын
Being a two range after class change also works in her favor since it means she can chip or go for otherwise risky attacks without having to fear a potentially lethal counter attack from most enemies, and you can potentially get her really early too making the process of bringing her online less painful.
@lightbrand_
@lightbrand_ 5 ай бұрын
@@MythrilZenithit also helps that fates made bows really really good by giving them axe might coupled with lance hit, meaning mozu is fairly solid even at base with just a reclass to archer
@grauenritter9220
@grauenritter9220 5 ай бұрын
lol Mozus for CQ draw is that shes Asian
@Yarharsuperpirate
@Yarharsuperpirate 5 ай бұрын
The problem with Mozu is, she can be immediately useful by an immediate second seal over to archer. Since once you do so its effortless to train her up off chip damage and feeding kills with 0 risk. For me, the ideal trainee is one that requires alot of effort, and some degree of risk in doing so. In this case, Donnel is a better example since he's melee locked until you can get him to second seal level. All of this because second seal level restrictions was 10 in awakening, while there isn't one in fates
@EnigmaticMrL
@EnigmaticMrL 5 ай бұрын
I wish they would bring back units with the Paragon skill. Outside of DLC, it hasn't been used since Radiant Dawn. I liked Astrid in Path of Radiance. She starts low level and is statistically roughly even with other units when at the same level as them. But man does PoR Astrid snowball so quickly.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, we've had smaller situational exp buffs like Veteran or Byleth's personal, but Paragon itself probably isn't coming back outside of DLC. Unfortunately it doesn't really make sense in the world of "Class skill / Personal Skill" that FE has become, and the only way they know how to break that trend is literally selling the skills directly for money. I would say it wouldn't surprise me if they just sold Aptitude to us too but that's literally Emblem Tiki.
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
Can confirm, PoR Astrid gets real ridiculous real fast.
@MorphenomenaI
@MorphenomenaI 5 ай бұрын
Meg was my one true savior in my radiant dawn run, she was the only unit that could take more than one hit before keeling over. I loathe the dawn brigade.
@giraffedragon6110
@giraffedragon6110 5 ай бұрын
I’m a big fan of zero to hero arcs. Not all trainee’s become hero status but the fact they can match what the rest can do mollifies me. Donnel goes from can’t do anything at base to, could one round an archer by level 10 villager, to having the highest stats of ANYONE in the army when he promotes into mercenary. By the time he promotes to that, he can handle anything in the first arc except maybe Gangrel. I’ve only played a little of FE 8 Amelia is a fun character but I’d argue probably better than Franz with investment (but I think I had a stat screwed Franz). Ross was great, free water walker allowing me to dedicate 2 units to water objectives rather than just Vanessa (who like Franz, was stat screwed), his dual fire affinity with his father makes them a dangerous combo to any horde. Ewan has magic, magic is good. Probably don’t need 2 summoners but it’s fun.
@urbestfriend-oz7zf
@urbestfriend-oz7zf 5 ай бұрын
I always though a cool idea for a trainee would be in a game with awakening/fates style class system, instead of higher growths, give them access to every class. Then they become the most versatile and customizable unit. I think it would be a lot more fun for casual players and hardcore players alike.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Cool idea. Half-implemented in Jean where he gets doubled class growths. Unfortunately that has too much overlap with the "Unique and special main character who can be any class" so it's probably not going to happen outside of fan projects.
@GentlemanJaggi
@GentlemanJaggi 5 ай бұрын
That's pretty much what the Gaiden/SoV Villagers do already, aside from their classes being genderlocked. With the way it's done there it isn't all that noticable unfortunately.
@neongrey333
@neongrey333 5 ай бұрын
honestly it feels like people are way too stingy with exp, imo; people talk like xp should never go to anyone but someone who can immediately sweep but like there's a limit to how much xp you can get on your carry on any given map before it becomes negligible, there's no reason not to spread it around some, and at that point, why *not* give it to someone with a decent chance of turning out, like a trainee or a villager
@MajinMattPlays
@MajinMattPlays 5 ай бұрын
For me, Trainees in Fire Emblem have two modes, decent units that have some niche usage that makes them easy to train but otherwise they're just a normal unit that levels up quickly or has slightly above average growths, PoR Astrid being the best example of this, and then there's the ideal Trainees like Donnel who an be a struggle to train at all without a lot of effort but result in a character that's not just a little better, but significantly better than everyone else in terms of stats, and I personally like the later more. I appreciate units like Astrid but I love it when a Trainee is tough to train while going through maps, but the payoff is funny numbers.
@joeyjose727
@joeyjose727 5 ай бұрын
Jean is definitely the trainee of Engage, but Anna is not so secretly also that when you look at her insane growths, having 50% Magic, Dex, and Speed. It does take her a long time to actually catch up to someone with better base Magic like Citrinne, but Anna does have the growths to catch up and surpass these units in endgame, provided you invest in her as a fun project
@PantheonFefnir
@PantheonFefnir 5 ай бұрын
I admit I'm a sucker for trainees/villagers, I'll almost always use them if given the chance they're really fun to watch develop over the course of a game. I know it's not "optimal" often to do so, but what can i say, I'm a sucker for it. Incidentally, since you brought up Donnel, i find he's a trainee that gets better or worse depending upon what difficulty you're on and *how* you play Awakening. In my first run of Awakening, where i did little grinding being skirmishes, and playing on Normal, he became an absolute combat god for me - i could put him and Lissa (who i married him to in that run) in the center of a map and watch as he mowed his way through pretty much anyone, and i had reclassed him into Mercenary-Hero so he could use whatever he wanted with little risk of weapons breaking. He's also really helped by a pretty solid join time - sure, you gotta feed him kills, but he joins at an early enough point that you can justifiably do so without great threat to yourself, and since a lot of your early units in Awakening won't be getting doubles anytime soon unless they're REALLY Spd blessed, wearing down enemies to get a finisher in is really not all that uncommon at that point. But if you approach Donnel from an "as much grinding as you can to build your units up for harder challenges/DLC" perspective, you quickly realize Donnel's weaknesses - his only standout cap modifier is in Luck at +3, and +1 to Str and Def... and -1 to the rest, so he's not going to be too particularly stand out at max potential compared to units who min-max more towards specialized combat roles. He's also personally hurt by how his only class options are Villager, Mercenary, and Fighter - while great for him to get Armsthrift with his high Luck, his class selection is hurt by overlap (Fighter and Mercenary can both go into Hero, so he loses out on 2 potential skills he'd have if they didn't have an overlapping promotion), and him starting in Villager means he's got a Lance rank that will end up being useless in all his other class lines (and the awful caps of Villager compared to other promotions means you've got no reason to keep him in it). It also shows the weaknesses of Aptitude in a game like Awakening - sure, Donnel is likely to be gaining stats much more often than most units and grow explosively, it does nothing for him once he's all maxed out, making it meaningless to him at that point. Which is why i chuckle when i recall posts that raved about how "You can pass along Aptitude, and turn his kids into combat gods too!" - it's not wrong, but if you're playing Awakening with the goal of turning everyone into combat gods, all Aptitude really does is save on the grinding for one kid. But the funny thing is that, in bringing up kids, you get into the other aspect of Donnel that kinda inverts the curve - Donnel's own peak is lacking at full potential, but he's great for a kid looking to hit *their* full potential. For one is that he's one of a few fathers to pass along Pegasus Knight to their daughters - and thus make her into quite the menace (and also why i think Aptitude can be a poor choice to pass on for a long game-minded player; it's good for the grinding portion, but a of his daughter could instead benefit from skills like Counter, which are exclusive to the male classes). His lopsided caps can also be fixed on a kid with the right parentage - for instance, Nowi already leans towards a tankier capline, so making Nah his daughter helps her in key stats while not really harming her beyond stats she was already iffy in. So while he's a bit lacking on his own compared to the potential of his allies at max, he's also a bit of a meta trainee who can really make someone else shine if they get the same love and attention he did. I just think he's neat to think on, and i love the rascal.
@PantheonFefnir
@PantheonFefnir 5 ай бұрын
And just as an aside/follow up about the video topic that isn't just me discussing Donnel - my favorite type of trainee would be how Gaiden handled it. With great join times and a real degree of customization for your trainees, I like that you get to watch them go from weaker villagers to excellent warriors, and if doesn't really feel like you have to go too out of your way for them, since you can get them out of their starter classes pretty quickly, so it doesn't feel like they're a burden. The customization aspect is just a really great bonus, and I'd love a FE game that starts you out with villagers that lean that way as well, maybe even with changing portraits to match the class lines you choose for them.
@miraclePoints
@miraclePoints 5 ай бұрын
It never really dawned on me how many similarities there are between FE and Pokemon unit design. I haven't played Pokemon since gen 3, and I get so addicted to my training projects that I never considered using most prepromotes / legendaries. You better believe I went out of my way for Gyarados
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Every once in a while I think about doing a video comparing Fire Emblem archetypes to Pokemon archetypes, because they DO exist in Pokemon, they just aren't as frequently used as in FE.
@shuggybro
@shuggybro 5 ай бұрын
@@MythrilZenith Please do. There are obvious ones like Normal-type scrubs (Ratatta, Sentret) and high-potential birds (Pidgey, Starly) on Route 1s, but it would be interesting to hear your take on the existence of other archetypes.
@xiongray
@xiongray 5 ай бұрын
Meg, the ultimate Orange Knight with Alondite.
@BTrainStudio
@BTrainStudio 5 ай бұрын
I'm a fan of how 3H did it. Like the video said, pretty much everybody is a blank slate and you can do whatever you want with the characters. Obviously some characters lean towards a certain class.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
I don't see as many people highlighting the fact that staff are more set in their particular class lines. People do say the staff are generally worse (outside of like Shamir) but don't really go into what it is they offer as filler Units to fill the gaps left by your students. At least in intention, maybe not as much in execution.
@luisgusta
@luisgusta 5 ай бұрын
Finally someone bringing up the lottery aspect of trainees. I always bring it up on discussions, specially on Ross vs Garcia. Ross is such a small investment and can give you such a busted and specialized unit, and you can make the decision to keep using him or not depending on the quality of those first level ups. People are really blinded by the averages, like they are everything a unit it.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Averages can be useful, but for a unit with so many extra levels to grow average REALLY sell them short.
@naotoueda2838
@naotoueda2838 5 ай бұрын
I think the lottery aspect of Ross is charming in multiple runs. I used Ross a lot (I played fe8 20 times for support grind and draft purpose ). So I have experienced good and bad Ross. Nowadays, I like Garcia more, but I think it's funny the Garcia and Ross combo for the double fire support.
@noukan42
@noukan42 5 ай бұрын
​@@MythrilZenith quite the opposite. In most cases an unit is fat worse if it screw EITHER strenght or speed. And growth units that join early are the epytome of this. Usally their averages are good enought to double and ORKO most enemies, but they can easily miss one or two. On the other hand, even if they bless those stats they only gain niche benefits. Fire Emblem as a whole award benchmark, not stats as high as possibke and this really screw over trainees
@javoclean960
@javoclean960 5 ай бұрын
@@noukan42I love you bring this up because my first ever HM FE8 Playthrough Ross Maxed out speed. He had 20 as a pirate by level 12 and he had 18 strength by level 9 and he was just annihilating anything in the game. I was convinced he was the best trainee of all time, until I replayed the game and as a 10-20-12 berserker he had: 16 speed and barely doubling stuff. Weird game tbh but at least makes for thrilling playthroughs
@Yarharsuperpirate
@Yarharsuperpirate 5 ай бұрын
For me, an ideal trainee unit is one that poses some kind of actual challenge to train up, since it adds a very interesting layer to the gameplay. While trainees who you can funnel exp into with 0 risk tends to not do it for me. A good example of this is Donnel, he is a good challenge to train up, since he's melee locked until level 10. But isn't impossible since you get him early enough where the enemies are still on the weaker side of things. A bad example for me, is Mozu who you can instantly second seal to archer to let her safely, and effortlessly level up off chip damage with 0 actual risk.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Trainees are the perfect example of "Maybe this unit isn't made for you, but they're clearly made for someone." I enjoy using a wide variety of unit types, so it's easier for me to see what makes certain units attractive to different types of players, whereas a lot of players are so locked into their own mindset that they can't even conceive why anyone else would want to play a different way outside of a specifically stated self imposed challenge. This isn't just true in the FE community, though, this is just a human problem.
@blackbeltsax5
@blackbeltsax5 5 ай бұрын
Shoutout to all the OSRS players who recognize the background music 😎
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Gotta love tutorial island
@caprimercenary2522
@caprimercenary2522 5 ай бұрын
​@@MythrilZenith I swore I was having a fever dream when I heard Newbie Melody lol
@LiamRodriguez1967
@LiamRodriguez1967 2 ай бұрын
the nostalgia hits like a fucking freight train.
@Venomdrad
@Venomdrad 5 ай бұрын
I liked Mozu the most out of the trainee units. Has a genuine niche in Conquest that makes her worth training due to archer access. In BR/Rev she can still work in other classes due to grinding. Made a good Kinshi Knight in Rev. The Gaiden/Echoes trainees are great too. Very flexible and core part of Alm’s party. I like the FE8 trainees though Amelia and Ewan need grinding to get them past their trainee class. Too frustrating to train them normally.
@grauenritter9220
@grauenritter9220 5 ай бұрын
the issue with trainee type units is that growth rates fundamentally are not a good way to express the idea of investment. I think having their promotions give more boosts would be better. Failing that, I would give them differnt personal skills.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Strong promotion bonuses are something FE6 does which I really like - promotion items are rare, but they make a HUGE impact on a unit that feels really good, thus encouraging the use of a wider variety of units in order to use more of your promotion items. Later games reduced the promotion bonuses and effectively divided those extra stats among growth rates for most units, which leads to a much more "save every single level and never early promote" mindset. I agree that randomized growths creates a fundamentally risky and different gameplay pattern, but I feel like as seen in the case of the FE8 trainees it can create some very unique user play stories that any form of guaranteed result just can't.
@grauenritter9220
@grauenritter9220 5 ай бұрын
@@MythrilZenith So for a regular class I can see that but when you get Ross or Amelia to lv 10 and you just get like +1s to random shit you're just like lol is that it? I'm also salty vs trainees because i played Andaron saga, tried to get a later game trainee to do his story promo and he also just got a bunch of rand om +1s LOL. The idea is that the scrappy kid should bring something you don't see too often. Having big stats is not a "scrappy kid" themed boost imo
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
@@grauenritter9220 and that's fair. I don't think just more random growths are ALWAYS the way to go. Hence why I described three different types of Trainees in this video. I think there is a place for the random lottery trainee, but there are other ways to explore trainees as well that are valid. Finding which one works best for a particular game and context is a journey a good dev will consider.
@naotoueda2838
@naotoueda2838 5 ай бұрын
Tear ring saga does the idea of giving skill or super promotion bonus to "trainee units". They are very popular in the fanbase for being worth investment
@grauenritter9220
@grauenritter9220 5 ай бұрын
@@MythrilZenith Yep, i saw how you compared it to magikarp and gyarados and I completely agree. the thing is that fire emblem combat is generally pretty simple so we have to find other ways to be creative.
@serious6515
@serious6515 5 ай бұрын
Jean is probably the most frustrating/unfortunate unit in Engage for me. The concept of a unit who's growths adapt to his class is good. Or at least, it would be good if his paralogue actually gave you a second seal so you can actually take advantage of that gimmick. Actually doing anything besides Monk 10 -> magic attacker is a giant pain in the ass, but then that also runs into the problem of him ending up as a sidegrade to Anna, who's a very controversial unit but overall has a much easier growth period (and I would also argue a better join time but that's another story). Also really annoys me that the kid who's studying to be a doctor doesn't get staff proficiency, which would give him some major upside in Griffin.
@Devmon52
@Devmon52 5 ай бұрын
I do love the trainee units and villagers. I'm a little less of a fan of the Ests. I love seeing the growth of a unit from barely scraping by to being an invaluable part of the team. As covered in the video, stats are great, but it is fun to develop a unit into a niche that you pick. The flexibility and customization aspect is really quite a novel characteristic.
@tanphamnhat969
@tanphamnhat969 5 ай бұрын
There was a miss conception for me about the est-archetype characters being a trainee unit, but they do have high growth which invalidate the mediocre lottery part of the trainee. Also, I consider Gaiden/SoV Est is also some sort of trainee (change my mind)
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Est vs Trainee is a subjective thing. Does a Trainee have to show up before a certain point of the game to not be considered an Est? Does an Est have to have growth rates above a certain quality to be considered a true Est? My issue with the Est archetype is wide enough that it could probably be its own video.
@rayquazathenoodledragon9630
@rayquazathenoodledragon9630 5 ай бұрын
About carrion even before getting the paragon sword he joins in a perfect chapter to train him were are only weak brigands in comparison to selphina's scrub squad that join just one or two chapters later than carrion are in a worse class and the enemies of that chapter can easily kill them if they get overwhelm by the wyvern riders
@KhumiSunguard
@KhumiSunguard 5 ай бұрын
I wish FE would try to make trainees the anti-Jagens, low powered units with low bases high growths that gain xp rapidly. Only problem is that theres no "cap" to how much you can train a unit in a single map. Although I love Mozu, I would have liked for Fates to make a system where trainees (lets pretend theres more than one) gain tons of xp just from assist attacks/guards, but their level cant grow too much in a single chapter. Meaning they effectively generate xp rather than "steal" from the main army, at the cost of a deployment slot and having to babysit a weak unit. But honestly a system like that would be cool in general because tons of FE games are easier to low man and that goes against the spirit of the game.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
The adjutant system in 3H was incredibly overpowered when it came to Guard Adjutants in particular, but I did appreciate how it allowed you to effectively field and train a few extra units without forcing you to actually deploy them on the map. The potential for infinite growth on a map was attempted to be curbed by them implementing exp falloff in Awakening and beyond for performing the same action, but at the end of the day it's a hard balance. If you limit it too much you drastically hamper the trainee's effectiveness, but if you have no limit then you encourage a lot of degenerate strats for casual players, like how Arena Abuse was the biggest thing everyone did in the GBA era back before people figured out how truly unnecessary it was.
@Xertaron.
@Xertaron. 5 ай бұрын
Donnel and Mozu strike a pretty good balance. Donnel is stronger, while Mozu is more versatile - her defenses will be average at best, but she makes up for it with better class access. Donnel is very strong once he gets going, but he is limited to only 3 promoted classes, compared to Mozu who can access up to 8. Even when they are superior statwise to other units, Donnel can never fly or use magic and has access to only 3 promoted classes, while Mozu can only access one of multiple pieces to the most powerful late game builds - she can only get one of Vantage, Sol or other damage stacking skills. And she can't use shurikens with any of the above. Technically, most of the Dawn Brigade are trainees, which makes Meg and Fiona... I don't even know what. Infants? Wendy is Bors, if he joined 7 chapters later - I swear for the longest time I thought she has superior growths, but no, they're comparable, so she's not a trainee, she's just bad. Good thing about SS trainess is that they are in a very easy game so you can get them to lvl 10 in a single chapter, if they don't turn out well, just drop them. Overall, trainees don't work very well in a free-form class system. Both Cyril and Jean got nerfed heavily to accommodate for them being able to access any class, to the point where you question why have them at all. And that's another reason why I don't like this system.
@something1558
@something1558 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if we'll ever get a trainee unit that's actually considered good
@17Master
@17Master 5 ай бұрын
I think that would require either a game with late game enemy strength so high that only units which scaled hard with good levels can feasibly hope to deal with them, or a dramatic shift in community mentality towards units that rely on growths to perform vs units with high base stats out the gate.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
I'm a sucker for trainees and use them basically every time even on Hard modes and they usually come out just fine. I doubt the meta will ever revolve around trainees though, purely because if a game is set up to solely reward the late game it ends up punishing the majority of the cast. Best example of a game where a trainee is good is Mozu in Conquest but that's for very specific features of her and CQ in context, and not because she is good in a vacuum.
@notanobviouschoice
@notanobviouschoice 5 ай бұрын
See the fascinating thing about conquest mozu is that CQ rewards bows+speed so highly that you don’t need anything else. A 1hp 0str 0def unit that can double with the bronze bow +2 is dealing 30 minimum to flyers. Outlaw Nyx (crazy fast) for example works really well as a flyer killer for ch 10-20 due to very few units being able to take (30+str)*2. Add in the fact that 10+str doubling works well for chip and you get to C rank for shining bow very quickly. All that due to the bronze bow+2 being 10mt 90hit.
@something1558
@something1558 5 ай бұрын
I had a hard screwed mozu in terms of HP(only like 3 HP procs across 30 levels) and despite being super frail yeah she does that role super well even without defensive stats.
@wingofshu
@wingofshu 5 ай бұрын
Ross, you get him chapt 3 and has a perfect weapon to get him levels
@jierdareisa4313
@jierdareisa4313 5 ай бұрын
I love ALL MythrilZenith videos!!!! ❤
@noukan42
@noukan42 5 ай бұрын
The chad Shining Force that got trainees right at the second game. FE attemptrd them a lot more and it still struggle immensely. To me the fundamental problem ia that FE is a benchmark game. Unless you design a game where only a fully level trainee met them they will never amount to anything more than people shooting themselves on the foot for fun. FE gotbit right the first attempt with Master Knights. Trainees should not get just slightly better stats, they should get unique classes that are just better than anything similar. Master knight is an example, Slade's ninja is another. The super trainees from SS are a cute idea but utterly failed.
@lsrrr3857
@lsrrr3857 5 ай бұрын
In a sense Fire Emblem is a game of contradiction. On one hand there is the RNG based growths, which can make the exact same unit turn out quite different on same setting but different playthroughs. On the other hand the game is kind of scripted where every chapter has to be designed based on a rough gauge of how the player's party is like in terms of power level. This is one reason for base > growth argument, because the game is not a real sandbox mode (compared to games such as ffta, where the player has much much more customizability), thus the game has to restrict growth units and make their upper limit not too absurd, yet at the same time they cannot remove rng growths because tbf thats one of fe's main attractions. Trainees are the awkward one amongst this contradiction: on one hand they are popular as players can feel the satisfaction of trainee's high customizability, be it in terms of class path or how well their stats can turn out, on the other the developers cant make them too customizable becuz they may break the game otherwise.
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
Making a game with hand-crafted experiences that also involves a great deal of customizability and/or randomness is a tall task, and it's frankly an underappreciated miracle in terms of just how well it works that basically every unit is viable to at least some extent in basically every game, with very few true soft-lockable positions unless you're doing a highly restricted run or playing very poorly.
@marcoasturias8520
@marcoasturias8520 5 ай бұрын
The way I see it, FE gameplay is about making the most of what you have. Not speculating nor hoping the rng will save you
@CoqueiroLendario
@CoqueiroLendario 5 ай бұрын
I personally don't see a problem with an unit that you invested a big amount of resources being able to steamroll challenges, it actually feels good, even. there is a special feeling when my armour knights finally get over the threshold to get no damage from most physical enemies and i can just put them to tank an entire army on their own. Talking about armor knights, its really a shame how underwhelming gwendolyn is, not only she joins at low level with low stats on a problematic place for her to train, her growths also aren't good enough to justify training her, and even if you do she will still be weaker than both her brother and barthe... so whats the point? Bors and Barthe are your tried and true bulky armour knights, so why can't wendy shine if i invest a big amount of time on her?
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
I think it's a fine balance between *allowing* players to steamroll and designing units *specifically* to steamroll. The first is a reward for investment, planning and/or luck, while the latter is a potential point of boredom for a lot of players. Armor knights whose defense exceed the damage of certain units in chapters? Great. I'll take my high defense armors in Sacae FE6 anyday. Armor knights whose defense eclipses every enemy in the entire game? That's Wolf and Sedgar territory, and they're only held back by mages. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing if certain units *can* dominate, but if it's deliberately *planned* that they are an easy out or free win after a certain point then it feels like the game kind of... stops once you hit that point. Then again, people play with character editors and god mode cheats in games all the time and have fun with it purely for that feeling of power, even if I myself don't have any interest in doing so, so it might just be personal preference.
@CoqueiroLendario
@CoqueiroLendario 5 ай бұрын
@@MythrilZenith Yeah i agree, and the funny part about Wolf/Sedgar is that they barely need any investiment to become an unkillable wall, its not like me purposely feeding Bors on a slow and steady process and riping the fruits of my labour, its more of a "make them into generals and you'll have an unkillable physical unit in 2 chapters top."
@hadoukenfighter
@hadoukenfighter 5 ай бұрын
Newbie melody let’s go
@MythrilZenith
@MythrilZenith 5 ай бұрын
These trainees are coming off tutorial island with big dreams
@MrWarpPipe
@MrWarpPipe 5 ай бұрын
Ah the most divisive unit type. Optimization be damned I'm always gonna use Jean in Engage cause it's funny to see a little british boy tear through the battlefield with a Killer Axe on Maddening.
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