United States of Europe.

At the end of 2021, a new government was formed in Germany. The coalition partners from the SPD, FDP and the Greens presented an agreement, which explicitly states that in their opinion the integration objective of the European Union should be further integration, ultimately turning the EU into a federal state like the U.S.. Welcome to the next episode of The 20s Report.
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00:55 European Federal State
08:44 Evolve or Die
15:45 The USA, a Beacon for The United States of Europe?
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[@MeganoOdles]

How comes this video didn't mention NATO?

[@hoangvu9360]

A novel ide for Peace Nobel Prize ?

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

The idea of ​​the United States of Europe is apsolute nonsense! No European nation wants that. According to recent opinion polls, there is not even a majority in Germany for it. Absurdly, the Germans despite this elect politicians into the government who have this goal of the United States of Europe. If, by the way, this goal of the United States of Europe continues to be pursued so successfully, not only Poland will leave the EU. I'm also adding part of my comment from below because it fits the topic. With accession to the EU, a nation partially relinquishes the right of self-determination. That is the most important right of a nation! That actually contradicts every constitution of every EU state. The individual European states could only become members of EU by circumventing their constitutions with legal tricks. Because no constitution of a European state allows such a comprehensive renunciation of the right of self-determination of the respective nation as is associated with the various treaties of the EU. In fact, accession to the EU was only possible through a breach of the law by the respective governments that signed the EU treaties! Even the completely undemocratic EU electoral law contradicts the democratic constitutions of the individual European states. In fact, no constitution allows foreign parliamentarians who are not elected in the country to decide on laws in the country. The EU Parliament is illegal according to every constitution of the respective EU countries and what was decided there should have no relevance at all for the individual EU countries. Only a relatively small minority of EU parliamentarians were elected in their own country. These are mostly foreigners in the EU Parliament who have not been elected by anyone in the country and who make the laws in the country! So this is extremely undemocratic and totally illegal under any constitution of any EU country. In addition It is also completely undemocratic and contradicts the constitutions of the EU states that 26 foreigners in the Council of the European Union who decide on important matters, which no one in the EU countries elected either. That disgusts me totally! The sooner this undemocratic turd implodes, the better.

[@christophermichaelclarence6003]

Hey hey Hey. What about us ? We should be leading Europe 🟦⬜🟥🇫🇷

[@krelldragon151]

My comments are often deleted . Disgusting . What I just said is how is United States going to work with differences in languages , culture, values , history , etc. Roman Empire was the last fragile United Europe . Unless United States of Adolf Hitler or Aryan

[@iattacku2773]

Germany: “ third times the charm.”

[@sambuydens6418]

4th (Franco Prus)

[@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022]

@@sambuydens6418 Nah, that was hardly a war with pan-European goal. Bismarck specifically restrained the more aggressive German leaders from taking too much and getting an international intervention on their ass. It was part of the German unification, not pan-European.

[@Andre-by4su]

apples and wiener schnitzeln

[@alexanderlipowsky6055]

die meisten von uns habens gelernt, es geht nur gemeinsam, nie wir gegen alle. most of us learned it, only together, never against all...

[@iattacku2773]

@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 too bad Bismarck got fired. WW1 could have been avoided if he remained at the helm.

[@scorbiot]

The biggest difference between English, French, Germans, Spaniards or Dutch in America and in Europe is that in America you had around a lifetime of legacy they didn't care much for, while in Europe blood was spilled many times for centuries or even millenia over the right to remain English, French, German. If you left everything behind to go start a new life in America, then you had nothing to lose.

[@ararune3734]

@@offthemountains The ban on German language very much helped them have a common language. That's great if you're into being a fascist.

[@wallnusschef6526]

@@ararune3734 dude legit your sentence didnt make any sence

[@pendejisimojuasjuasj]

@@offthemountains Found the edgy kid

[@smartandhandsome]

@@offthemountains America is now the most ethnically diverse country in the world

[@paffie9319]

@@ararune3734 We never banned German langauge? Or you mean US? 😂

[@vladutcornel]

if they try to replace EU, it will likely fail. A better approach would be for the countries willing to form USE, and provide a model that may convince others to join. The new country would itself be part of the EU.

[@MrAUSSENGELAENDER]

where "conceiving" would be just the fact of an overwhelming economic power... exactly that way the EU grew in the past...

[@COPROO]

It is unlikely they will do one of those approaches. I don't really think from one day to another we will have the USE. It's more of a progress bar slowly filling up with the years.

[@gr4vityjuli4n]

@@COPROO I think of it like the Kaiserreich happened. Slowly (good not slowly it happened rather fast but you get the idea) more and more kingdoms (or in this case countries) will join if it benefits them too and form a country.

[@COPROO]

@@gr4vityjuli4n perhaps

[@ems7623]

Honestly, the only way forward is to reform the EU. Anything else is more likely to destabilize the continent, especially what you suggest

[@GoWestYoungMan]

The US model might be more familiar to Europeans but the Canadian model makes more sense. The US and Canada are federations where provinces/states have a fair bit of autonomy over their own affairs. That said, Canada is even more de-centralized that the US and more closely resembles a federation of countries than the US. Canada didn't even achieve free trade between its provinces till 2017. European countries have been independent, in some cases, for centuries. The US model doesn't offer enough de-centralization.

[@RalphReagan]

I agree

[@nenadlivaic630]

"Canada didn't even achieve free trade between its provinces till 2017" - could you please give a source or a pointer for further research on this? I am not familiar with Canada, I find the fact you mentioned very interesting.

[@AntonioTripodi17]

@@nenadlivaic630 I’m Canadian and I didn’t even know about this.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@AntonioTripodi17 Neither did I.

[@elmercy4968]

I remember vaguely that Canada almost was devided in a plebiscite not too long ago.

[@Chrmea22]

If the United States of Europe came to fruition, I wonder how secession movements (like Catalonia) would interact with being absorbed into an even larger country. Edit: I didn't expect such a debate about Catalonia. I still have more questions! like what happens to France's overseas territories? Is Greenland apart of the USE, until it decides to leave (as per it's current agreement)?

[@guillem998]

As a catalan i can Tell you that this Will blow the independentist movement as far as they don't touch the language and don't bother much his leaders. Here, some people want to separate of Spain but Also stay in the EU, so to keep the nationalist Alive they may need 10 years to reestructure the públic opinion😂

[@rustix3]

Northern Ireland border problems came to halt, when UK and Ireland joined EU. So may be there will be no need in such movements in the federation

[@rippspeck]

Separatist movements are grossly exaggerated. A few thousand people daring to speak for entire regions.

[@Pharnox32]

It's actually to their interest, they 'll be a separate state and governed by catalonian politicians elected by their people, I guess the rest should be something like the european parliament elections

[@HimanshuSharma-oe4mk]

@@rippspeck a few thousand people daring to speak for entire regions ... and a couple of hundreds picking up weapons and resorting to terrorism ... are capable of splitting a society if the society has a more interdependent population.

[@solarsauce5983]

I'd be really interested in seeing this situation re-evaluated given current escalations from Russia and unity between NATO and Europe, aswell as the drastic policy changes coming out of Germany!

[@PAllen74]

Never going to work. Europe is too culturally different. No way an Estonian for example would think that they can be represented better by Brussels then their current government. Smaller countries would have almost no say.

[@solarsauce5983]

@@PAllen74 Yeah, I agree, but nonetheless it's an interesting idea for sure

[@PAllen74]

@@solarsauce5983 Anyway the USA is not the enemy, the Western liberal democratic world is still dominant. No need to federalise.

[@muninnsays9296]

@@PAllen74 cultural differences have never stopped us before, we have a longer history of United European states than we do of our small countries now. The Carolingian Empire, Rome, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and Holy Roman Empire are only a few examples.

[@muninnsays9296]

@@PAllen74 The Americans are the enemy, they have threatened us recently for trying to federate, just like the Russians they are a direct threat to us.

[@aronwallies6172]

It's amazing to see people from different countries writing about the language problem, while communicating in English and understanding each other, greetings from Ukraine

[@XOPOIIIO]

"Russia has less potential than European Union in every aspect except it's military". The last two words are so outdated today.

[@Pyrrhic.]

I love how the video is over 20 minutes. This is something I listen to while driving and longer the better. Also very organized, good thesis and effective info delivery.

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

Brainwashed

[@Pyrrhic.]

@@Michael_the_Drunkard who you? You worrying about the deep state and the Illuminati?

[@Archangelm127]

@@Pyrrhic. Don't feed the trolls, especially the inept ones. ;)

[@thethirdfrenchempire1556]

@@Pyrrhic. I don’t think it’s safe to listen to videos when driving

[@tobi-98-31]

@@thethirdfrenchempire1556 And what would be the difference to a podcast or music?

[@ilios0026]

Only the Swiss model is viable for a European state. Unlike the federal system where the central state is superimposed on the federated states, the Swiss state is subsidiary to the sovereign autonomy of the cantons. It is a model which makes it possible to preserve and enhance the cultural and linguistic richness of Switzerland while rationalizing common expenses and facilitating economic exchanges.

[@Anon-nv7bp]

i doubt those who run the EU would want to give up so much power to local autonomous units - they seem more interested in centralisation. but I do agree with you that the Swiss model is the ideal model.

[@thelazy0ne]

The Swiss know something that the others don't.

[@thisfr0]

The federal state is superimposed to the cantons though. The cantons just have much wider areas of power than most other federal states

[@srr9982]

@@thisfr0 I think it refers to the Principle of Subsidiarity enshrined in the Swiss Constitution of 1848, the way in which this Principle applies and which makes Switzerland a constitutional UFO! Because if in the form, Switzerland is a Federal State (superposition), in practice the Autonomous Cantons, which have their own Constitutions, have the ascendancy on the Independent State (subsidiarity). I share his opinion, it is an excellent constitutional model adapted to European populations and to the geography and history of Europe. Only I don't think the EU as it stands is able to transfer so much sovereign power.

[@blitcut9712]

@@Anon-nv7bp The ones running the EU are the member states though. While the Commission and Parliament do have power the ones who in the end primarily decide policy are the governments of the member states. And they for obvious reasons tend to like a degree of autonomy.

[@olarmariusalex]

The most feasible way to achieve the USE is to effectively merge the states that want it into the current Union and become full-fledged EU states, so the EU would have fewer members but the unified would have more representation (the sum of the unified ), and over the years, the rest of the states that want this would join. In this way the Federation is optional, so membership is voluntary, the current Union remains standing, and the advantages of federalization would be seen in the power pole it forms in the Union. The EU will be like the "Partnership for Peace" program for NATO and the USE will be like it is NATO. So there is a place for everybody, if you want to be part of the EU program you have the EU, if you want a greater integration you have the USE. The only difference between EU and USE is that once you unite with the Federation you can't separate anymore, it's a one way trip.

[@jacobbernard1393]

Very interesting thought, I like the sound of that.

[@jirichuran]

This plan could work, but only wirh Russion approval. Germany is deeply depended on Russia, and other EU nations are depended on Germany. Connection of German and Russian interests are crucial.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

we don't want it ,we'd have to do like the ukrainians : defend our sovereignty and our country. FY all.

[@vaakdemandante8772]

There's no word for "voluntary" in a German dictionary ;)

[@olarmariusalex]

@@gabriel_swift8847 The Europe was a federation some time in the past and now it should be again? When it was a federation?

[@groberti]

Great video! It felt a bit like when you start a Total War Campaign and then there is an intro video to catch you up on the current situation you'll be in when you start.

[@DerClouder]

In the U.S. the federation succeeded because everybody identified themselves as "Colonists" or "americans". In europe eqach member nation has it's own history, language and identity that has been formed during hundreds of years. We are not "europeans", we are german, belgian, swedish, finnish... There is no way in hell you can get everybody to play nice and just give up on their identity, history, and freedom. I just don't see that happening.

[@linusstrand2468]

Many people, including me, DO definitely say they are European, and most of them say they are both European, and [whatever the demonym of their people is]. I'm European and Ålandic. 🇪🇺🇦🇽

[@glassychap1141]

This idea of a EU state seems very globalist in nature. From the looks of it it would most likely diminish national sovereignty in the area. Also it may try to erode any pre existing cultures and traditions in order to make this “European” identity as a national one

[@DerClouder]

@@linusstrand2468 In your case it is better to clarify, because only finns and swedish people even know where Ahvenanmaa is.

[@DerClouder]

@@glassychap1141 I agree. I will not give up on my identity without a fight. It's only been little over a 100 years since Finland got it's independence from swedish and russian colonizers, and i do not want to watch it being taken away by germans of all people.

[@glassychap1141]

@@DerClouder As you should, Finland is still a young country in terms of it being a independent nation. It should not give up its independence so quickly

[@7rock7]

It’s kinda interesting looking at pre civil war usa where most states basically saw themselves as separate entities but over time an American identity was created. The biggest difference tho is usa mostly had a common language and culture and Europe has tons, which is gonna be hard to overcome. It doesn’t help that European cultures have been developing for thousands of years while American culture was in its infancy.

[@PradedaCech]

Did it though? I mean eventually yes it did have the same language, but a lot of the early inhabitants of the US and its predecessor states did not speak English..

[@7rock7]

@@PradedaCech my bad, what I more ment was compared to Europe America had a much more homogeneous language. It was also more mixed around in the USA but in a United Europe each “state” would have its own language

[@Miamiguy2000]

I don’t see a problem. Look at Spain. Spain’s national language is Spanish but every region is allowed to teach their own language as well, so all spaniards speak Spanish and some speak their regional language. In the United States of Europe, English can be the official language of all states but every state is allowed to additionally teach their own language. Why English you might be wondering? Because most Europeans speak English and it is becoming unofficially the language of the world.

[@ektorpolykandriotis635]

why would one want to "overcome" and not celebrate and learn from the different languages and cultures? Why would one want to exchange this wealth of civilization which is unique with a MacDonalds identity?

[@Reducetoqsh]

@@ektorpolykandriotis635 My question exactly. We have all the economic benefits of the single market even today, without the need to have to completely re-imagine our identity, and lose our rich and different national cultural heritage.

[@martinrye712]

Germany's idea of ruling Europe but for once not using its military

[@moemeneldukany4191]

might creates right, it is not just the right of the Germans to rule Europe, but their obligation to do so.

[@gabriela3174]

no it was all planned and the german people and the government are 2 different peoples. you just dont know it yet. they say they are german but are not. hope this helps. hence why the 2nd war took place. the players had it planned before and came back after. they were conquered a long time ago. merkel was trained kgb and has no love for the germans because she is not one of them.

[@jjay8707]

New World order ain't far away :/ Polarisation of the people, mass disinformation. Overrepresentation of an ethnic group on both sides of the ukr Russ war. History's repeating :(

[@Barwasser]

The video title is misleading. As is clearly stated within the video, the USoE is more of a French idea than a German one...

[@onlyaraku]

@@gabriela3174 bot

[@shinchan2627]

Holland is not a country .. its a name for 2 provinces in The Netherlands... Noth and South Holland .. We have 10 other provinces ..😊 Our official name is The kingdom of The Netherlands.

[@kittslon1610]

Poland: We’ll be the Texas of this federation.

[@dodgedemonsrtx]

Poland is based

[@arolemaprarath6615]

Is Texas is Mexico because the name is Spanish.

[@csume1]

& Hungary 😂

[@galileo5761]

And Germany will be California with green and left wing politicans💩

[@blablak9942]

I approve this as Pole. loool

[@kungfuwolf0078]

I definitely feel a USE could happen soon between the french Luxembourg’s Belgians Dutch and Germans and it slowly integrate new members. There should still be a EU for members who don’t wish to be part of the USE though. As the USE being a member of the EU as a sovereign state.

[@zahnatom]

this is probably the most realistic outcome. While still extremely powerful, its not as 'intrusive' as a full on all of europe USE or FRE(Federal Republic of Europe)

[@sven1966]

I hope it doesnt happen

[@PAIP_Studio]

That is a stupid idea... Non of those countries speak the same languages... Never mind their beliefs and ideas. I mean see what is going on in the United States of America... They are falling apart. Less government is always mush better than more government. More efficient, more cost effective more workable, easier to implement. By the way when you dilute everything... You will not be able to find potency... You will be trapped in a colorless monotone word.

[@benjaminlamey3591]

I don´t think so. in teh five members zou give, the 3 smallest are fiscal paradise that live of the 2 others ... no chance they find a common ground on fiscal topics France and germany have 2 opposite views on military, they will not find soon a common way forward These are some of the main task of a governement, without that there is not a lot a part from economy, where EU as it is already does the job.

[@royhoeksema5720]

@@PAIP_Studio Wouldn’t the USE replacing the EU result in a smaller government tho?

[@cdw2468]

this is fascinating to watch given the events of the last year

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Thanx for the vid. Great work.

[@leehallam9365]

This is the EU's long term plan, and it's been slowly moving towards it for decades. The biggest step was the currency, as it is very hard for countries to walk away once they are in the Eurozone. Just recently we have seen another huge step, the EU borrowing money for the first time, and immediately using that money as leverage over member states. That power won't be a one off, as that's the way the EU develops, waiting patiently for an opportunity to expand its role, and hold tight to its gains. There will be no grand transformation, they learnt that with the EU Constitution, the public wouldn't buy it, so we got the Lisbon treaty, same thing different wrapper. So EU citizens will never get a one off do you want a federal Europe question, it will just emerge, bit by bit. There is incidentally a lesson in the US for those saying Union prevents wars, civil wars can still happen.

[@arposkraft3616]

this

[@ConfusedPlushiee]

I do believe it is in Europe's interest to develop a USE though. As it is now, we are a rich playground for foreign powers like russia, china and the US. I think it will soon be time to finally truly unify Europe and let it spread its wings. No more stupid infighting over nothing, no more politics propagated by foreign money, and no more dependence on foreign businesses for critical infrastructure. Let there be a European government for a European people. With a European army and European political parties.

[@itselevenfiftyfive3833]

@@ConfusedPlushiee it’s stupid to not form a USE in an age when other competitors like China have a population mass much larger than yours.

[@ConfusedPlushiee]

@@itselevenfiftyfive3833 my thoughts exactly, if only our leaders had the ability to see past trivialities like "losing their national pride" and embrace an EU identity, then we would not be such an inactive, indecisive, and divided economic and political block. We could truly rival the US and China in terms of economic strength.. but noooo, muh identity..

[@Misophist]

@@ConfusedPlushiee Not just Countries: Anual Revenue 2020: in 1.000.000 (M) for selected companies: GM 122.485 M$ Microsoft: 143.015 M$ Exxon 181.502 M$ VW 222.900 M€ Google: 256.740 M$ Apple 294.130 M$ Amazon 386.060 M$ Now compare this to the GDP of some of the smaller EU members: Austria: 403.370 M€ Denmark 334.562 M€ Finland 252.934 M€ ,,, and more than 15 even weaker EU Members, the smallest being: Malta 14.859 M€ If you combine the internet giants MS, Google & Amazon you are at 823.000 M$ with would afford you the GDP of one of Poland, Sweden or Belgium. Combine all mentioned companies together, and you buy the work of all of Spain, or a third of Germany. Small countries don't stand a chance in hell against giants like these. And the giants know it, and don't have any qualms about using it for their purpose.

[@matejkubala7221]

No nation in the eastern EU will ever agree to this. Nations like Poland, Czhechia, Grece, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary and my own nation Slovakia had fought for their independence for centuries. Agreeing to this would undo all eforts and meanig of these strugels. If the United states of Europe will ever be created, it would be without all the EU menbers east to germany.

[@victorm6430]

As well as the nordic countries... No one here in northern Europe wants this

[@semmelweis8398]

Not be the lawyer of the devil but the ones that actually matters to be a global power are all to the west or south of germany, for economic, military or strategic geographical location.

[@slavzahariev3901]

Do you really believe that you are fully sovereign? You got the Euro, hans no independent monetary politic, all money questions are decided with majority voting in ECB. There will be minimum corporate tax level in EU and USA (already agreed). So no competitive advantage on taxes for you. Wonder what would be difference if we have federal layer above national governments. Even today most of the European economic issues are dealt at Council of Ministers in Brussels. Would it be so bad to speak with one voice against Russians and Chinese? See now how China treat Lithuania.

[@matejkubala7221]

@@slavzahariev3901 One of the main reasons why did Slovakia join EU was that we were in bad economic state. This economic problems were mainly caused by split of Czhechoslovakia wich was it self caused by strugle to agree how was Czhechoslovakia supposed to funcion, Czechs wanted a centralized, united state and we Slovaks wanted to govern our nation autonomously and have equal say in the goverment, despite being economically, politicly and numaricly inferior to czhechs. Eventualy we realised that an agreement was impossible and we split. We have chosen independence and soverenity over better economic stability and greater military protecion. Same Logic aplyes here.

[@Reducetoqsh]

@@slavzahariev3901 The "unified voice" they would be speaking with, would be that of Brussels, or Paris or Berlin, don't for a second think that the rest of us would have any real say on matters of such magnitude. I will assume that you are Bulgarian, based on the name and ask you to think about the great pressure that is being exerted on Bulgaria recently, for having a stance of its own, on the issue of the acceptance of N. Macedonia to the union, which issue is of national significance to the country and its people, and yet it is being bullied both by the EU and US into lifting its veto. Why would we believe that the people of Bulgaria, Romania or any other smaller nation would at all be relevant in the formation of a "common voice" of a unified EU state where they would be mere stateless minorities, when even the EU of today is so quick to exercise soft power on actual sovereign countries in order to shift their policy?

[@nickelroof6727]

If the federalists in the EU institutions understood the concept of an EU of variable geometry, the continent of Europe would have probably been closer nit than the current iteration of an EU of nation states having to abide by a federalist idea of an ever closer union. You cannot simply throw away what was created in Westfalia - the idea of a nation state with individual cultures, languages and history. Only then to make Europe one homogonous land mass. People are proud of their differences, it's what makes Europe so culturally rich. It's probably why the UK left and Norway and Switzerland are definitely not interested in joining. Celerbrate diversity in unity - a confederation of nation states was a significantly better idea

[@daNorse]

Well said.

[@ianmansbridge3646]

200+ years of federation doesn't seem to have made US states homogeneous! If Wales' individuality can survive having England as neighbour in the UK for more than a millennium, I don't think our cultural diversity is under threat. Have faith in people to respect and value such assets.

[@JH-zs3bs]

Certainly the EU can not go the way of the US. Thats absurd given our richness of diverse culture, we must stay a federalist union. But culture thrives in exchange and already now through free movement and right to residency in the Union, I believe, we have achieved much to better get to know each other. As of now the EU has mostly common economic policies which benefits all (even though not equally which is an issue), certainly a common security policy wouldnt harm our cultures developments. As for education I think there should be a double strategy: Each nation has its own national curriculum, but around 20% should be a european curriculum, which above all includes learning at least one of the other states languages (preferably one that isnt already common to learn in that member state), as well as a school exchange with another member state at around the age of 16, optionally even more often. We already have Erasmus, but why not have more Universities get partner Universities in other member states with a 6 month stay there as part of the studies. The common European railwy net and power grid also sounds like a good idea to me. After all its more about connecting people and allowing for exchange among us, than grand geopolitical goals.

[@user-dc9gq8mq5u]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS euro-sceptic view

[@zaros1781]

The idea isn't to mould the continent into one culture, that will never work and won't have any support anywhere. What we see very time in European countries, and keeps increasing, is that when we're faced with a specific challenge what the people want is more European cooperation. For example, at the start of the pandemic there was high degree of disappointment in the EU - people expected it to act. But what the people didn't realise is that the EU had no authority over the subject - healthcare is a matter for the states. When at the beginning of the pandemic a panic frenzy started (for example, competing for PPE's), countries quickly realised that this would tear them apart and decided to let the EU coordinate it. And now with the war in Ukraine, more people (and fortunately, the states themselves as well) realise a lot more cooperation is necessary. And if we want to face this new era that we're about to enter, one that is far less stable, more potential of conflict and bring a lot more other crises, we need a more united Europe. The words 'federal Europe' still sound scary to a lot of people, but unconsciously it is what they want and something we're moving ever closer to.

[@Mr.Nichan]

Honestly, it's pretty rare in recent history for countries to voluntarily unite into a single sovereign state, in general, and in most examples, either all but maybe one of the states that merged had only existed for a short time, or the union itself only existed for a short time before breaking up.

[@arthas640]

Countries used to band together more often for protection since small countries ended up getting dominated even if they werent conquered. Modern politics makes direct control or invasion difficult if not impossible so it incentivizes autonomy more. The fact voters are capricious and politicians will make rash decisions to try and appease them short term doesnt help either, just look at Brexit. It took the UK decades to help build the EU starting just after WW2 through to the 2010s, around 70 years of work, and they threw it all away in a matter of months after a single snap election. Scotland has been part of the UK for centuries and nearly broke off a few years ago. These unions take forever to build but can be thrown away almost instantly on a whim.

[@RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq]

England asked to become part of Scotland, thereby becoming the UK. That partnership has lasted many hundreds of years, and has solely begun to fragment due to the absurd decisions of a single political party during the previous few decades. As somebody that has interacted with many Scottish soldiers of the UK, I am confident that continuation of its union is very probable.

[@Mr.Nichan]

@@arthas640 As for banding together for protection, we have some alliances like NATO, which don't require total political union, though it is true that our modern system where countries are bigger and have more citizen support than they used to (be) in many places, and where the UN outlaws most aggression and you need a nuclear superpower on your side to get away with it, but those superpowers can't directly fight each other, has probably reduced the extent to which countries are looking for protection. Also, the "protection" part of "protectorates" (historical ones are now often equated with "colonies"), should not be completely ignored, even if it was probably protection from other colonial powers, or even the same one they became "protected" by, not to mention more direct methods of inducement, that lead to these arrangements being accepted by the countries that became protectorates.

[@chriscortez2036]

A European Federation is certainty possible but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon, at least not for a couple decades. Different languages, cultures, and political priorities have made it difficult for the EU to quickly and completely unify but they have made decent progress with integration. Additionally, with Russia looming over them again, Asia becoming the global economic center, and their growing disconnect with the US (And the Anglo sphere in general) Europeans will have to rely more on each other. Other regions are also quickly catching up with the West. It’ll be interesting to see what’s next for the EU and Europe as a whole.

[@SoaCrow]

Divided we fall, united we stand.

[@susangoaway]

The EU is unneeded and a major magnet for all kinds of corruption, as can be seen in the TSUE KE and PE

[@gocool_2.0]

United Europe is possible till there is a greater external threat or as long as US defends Europe. Difference in languages and cultures doesn't matter. For example India and Indonesia have existed for the past 75 years without any great secessionist movement and has been functioning as a United country inspite of cultural, linguistic and religions differences. At the end of the day national unity depends on people.

[@jebise6656]

it isn't possible, straight up just isn't, its never happening

[@vinniechan]

I remember watching a clip on Geopop where the speaker mentioned the EU is a proto state This is probably a more accurate description of things if u just let it go slow and develope for another 50-100 yrs it might come to a federation Problem seems to be that those inside the EU itself has the idea the EU needs to act like a state and need to capacity of a state When they push to that direction they often over reach and overstretch not to mention 27 states have 27 different ideas of what the EU should be

[@bobobobic9330]

Finally! Just yesterday I was looking at Caspian Report and wondering when will you post again.

[@damian4926]

I like Caspian Report but GT/BT makes better quality videos honestly.

[@Pyrrhic.]

@@damian4926 they are buddies I bet

[@jwadaow]

@@Pyrrhic. They did perform a collaboration.

[@bratbrata4974]

@@damian4926 gt / bt It also has cooperation with Russian-language channels. Sometimes it is worth looking for and reading opinionated people from Russia.

[@Pyrrhic.]

@@jwadaow well I hope they get another friend to do a collaboration and create a new channel.

[@torack589]

This is really a great idea 💡

[@aregranhaug8617]

Outstanding video.

[@dee-jay45]

I don't see a USE happening anytime soon. Too big are the gaps between countries, economically, socially, education-wise, language wise etc. In fact, language is the most important issue. However, we might see intermediary steps like a stronger union between France, Netherlands, Belgium and Germany and/or Germany and Austria. Maybe as a "EU 2.0". But we'll see.

[@professionalgambling6783]

One common language should be implemented, as so called "lingua franca", the rest should remain how it is.

[@DavidCelestialKnight]

I think a Super State in Europe would be a bad Idea. Europe is nice because her diversity, each country has a unique culture, unique history. With Centralization and Unification. Europe would became into another China. A Boring Gigantic Country. And probably authoritarism will be necessary to control the huge population.

[@nikostsiantas4060]

I believe the EU before it unites should crate a European language which will be taught as a secondary language in schools

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

@@nikostsiantas4060 as a Greek you shill for the EU

[@professionalgambling6783]

@@nikostsiantas4060 i don't mind if it would be esperanto or latin, or mayme some old language which isn't in use anymore.

[@PuhoyOG]

This channel is criminally underrated.

[@dawid2383]

Share it with your friends.

[@PuhoyOG]

@@dawid2383 Already done, my friend.

[@dawid2383]

@@PuhoyOG Well done mate.

[@dawid2383]

@Sebastián stop watching your russian propaganda

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

Your pfp is soo cute omg

[@manta567]

Nice idea, I definitely like it. How realistic, well, that's another question.

[@TreiPani]

This was good, a post war update would be great.

[@josephwatson4292]

See Germany? All you had to do was go down the diplomatic tree this whole time, not the military one.

[@DJ1573]

Taking over the global manufacturing industry and increasing scientific output while secretly building a global military industrial complex can be called the diplomatic tree, sure

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

Yeah germany, you couleve just gone with influence and diplomatic ideas and play the long game plus a military to fight minor wars for the slow game, remember to keep your offensive and quality ideas as well as innovative economic trade and administrative ideas, though always find a spot for quantity ideas, youll need em especially for the production quotas policy(lol)

[@johnl.7754]

This diplomatic approach would only work in current time period when peace has been achieved for a couple generations, world has globalized and most military spending in Europe has be neutered.

[@chiron13]

Hitler was a FOOL.

[@DJ1573]

@@Cecilia-ky3uw Yeah, the trick is creating a new military doctrine, producing thousands of vehicles based on Revolutionary late war concepts most people never heard about and letting the whole world measure the strenght on outdated tanks and aircraft

[@Hiro-eb4zx]

Lesotho to Switzerland: "Let's become brothers, we're mountainous too"

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Mountainous holes in the map.

[@davidevignes9731]

nice

[@derorje2035]

Switzerland would still have a neighbouring country besides th EU (Lichtenstein). Andorra, San Marino and the Vatican would be the only contenders for that part. San Marino and Andorra are even mountainous than Switzerland.

[@JuanReyes133]

Hahah

[@EpicB]

@@fullmetaltheorist Can't forget San Marino.

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

The recent russian invasion of Ukraine could be the motivating reason for the average European. We even saw Germany axe the nord stream 2 pipeline for example and radically increase military spending. Crazy times

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

A war is coming. Many of them in fact.

[@newnoise95]

Have you forgotten about NATO? You don't need to give up your sovereignty, autonomy and any fundamental liberties for security. Under article 5 of the NATO accords an attack on one is an attack on all. Russia wouldn't dare to attack NATO countries. Even if they should be so bold to attack NATO, then all that means is that forming the USE would not of prevented it.

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

@@newnoise95 No I have not, and you are right, it is not necessary to make a super state in order to defend against russia, but that’s not the point. The point is the invasion of Ukraine can be a unifying force

[@newnoise95]

@@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745 Unifying force for who and for what? Europe was once predominately all Catholic nations and the protestant reformation shattered that unity, becoming one of the most bloody events in European history. Europe is also the place of the time of the French revolution where the French people rose up and killed their king, their nobility, and anyone else who did not agree with the Jacobin's. Don't be so arrogant to think that having the same flag will prevent civil wars or violent revolutions to overthrow the status quo. Because that's mostly what history writes of.

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

@@newnoise95 It can be a unifying force for the EU. The video makes a really good point at around 19:40 onwards, that "equality in a super power competition with the US and China is too abstract an argument for the average European for the rejection of sovereign rights". There are also the distinct national identities that have formed, with past rivalries, that make unification more difficult. The interesting thing to me is that invasion of Ukraine, and the striking and horrendous atrocities that come with it, can be a powerful tool in crafting an 'us' vs 'them' dynamic, which can be harnessed by the political leaders and proponents of a US of Europe. The entire thing is a catalyst. As for whether a US of Europe would end conflict, I don't believe that at all. Either way I don't really have a horse in this race, at least not the way someone living in Europe would.

[@cratecruncher6687]

The "U S of E" has been the dream of progressive European leaders for decades. As an American working on the continent the last thirty years I've seen a slow defiant acceptance and integration of member states. Events I thought would weaken the Union, like Brexit, the numerous budget crises, and Russia's belligerence, have only strengthened their relationship. While economic coordination has certainly benefitted, foreign policy has only recently been consistent. Perhaps the greatest challenge to a US of E is pride of heritage of member cultures and social differences between north and south.

[@Koshokar]

As a first step I think including all countries wouldn't work anyway. What makes more sense is to make it a voluntary (con)federation with more nations joining in when they feel a need to and are ready while still upholding the EU as it is as a placeholder for countries who don't want that kind of integration.

[@hypegamer2362]

Yeah, as a citizen of small EU country we would simply be absorbed into bigger nations culture loosing everything that makes us who we are. Not to mention control over our own area.

[@zzap4922]

@@hypegamer2362 No we wouldn't. We would have the exact same amount of control and only the corrupt politicians would lose control. It doesn't matter who is in charge as long as we have the voting power. We could have an alien representing us in the government for as long as he does what the people want. Besides, where is our culture going to disappear? This is an idea for a united military, economic and HEALTH SYSTEM federation. I can only see benefits here as corona has proved how giving every single speck on the world map a separate health system just halts the progress of vaccination.

[@demran17]

@@zzap4922 the corrupt local politicians would lose control and be replaced by even more corrupt politicians who would rule at a federal level

[@zzap4922]

@@demran17 what makes you think that corrupt politicians will arise in the presumably richest, 2nd strongest and 3rd most populous country on earth with over 400 million voters? Is the current EU counsel corrupt in your opinion? Is Merkel?

[@schoob4822]

@@zzap4922 Cultures form through borders. Your culture would slowly disintegrate within a larger super country and be supplanted by a new pan European culture.

[@maximijsebrands644]

National identity is more than ´fear and hatred´, it is also love, trust and the glue which allows our democracies to flourish. Ask yourself how well the US democracy would function without the american national identity holding it all together.

[@folkishappalachian6827]

How come "fear and hatred" doesn't apply to jews, zionism, and Israel? I've always wonder why they get a free pass on this topic

[@Jonassoe]

Well, how well does the US democracy function? In my opinion, federation just concentrates power in fewer hands and makes it more vulnerable to corruption. Maybe the US would function better as a group of smaller states working together rather than as a giant country.

[@blackhole9961]

@@Jonassoe that’s the exact opposite of what a federation does, what your describing is nearly a Unitarian system. Federation decentralizes power, and America does it as much as possible. Each level of government takes on different roles in America Local, state, and federal. The individual state alone is highly autonomous and basically acts like it’s own country making the US act more like a confederation of bickering states with lots of power rather than a federation. At the end of the day however the federal government has the most power.

[@EUenjoyer]

In fact my national identity is EU

[@dinis8271]

Thats not what a federation is, in a federation each states is able to keep its autonomy and identity. There is also a european identity, something all europeans have and some feel it more than others.

[@lordsimops4183]

Wow this video is good :)

[@YmirSS]

As a Europeanen i would like this lets try something new

[@jerrelhurenkamp5251]

Germany ww1: taking europe by conquest. Germany ww2: taking europe by conquest. Germany 2022: taking europe by making friends :). Germany, the redemption arc.

[@reaemishi2278]

If you think Germany is making friends in the east by budying up to Russia...well...you've never been to the east have you. I don't know how to express the Balkin or Polish distrust in strong enough terms.

[@djstona5284]

mackrels been trying to be freinds with crap tin for years we all said NS1 and NS2 would be weponised by the end of the outcome . And it has

[@David-kn4hb]

Germany didn’t started WW1 they weren’t the agresor. WW1 doesn’t have any specific aggressor like WW2 all countries was guilty but If you want some to blame for WW1 you can blame Serbia or Russia. And BTW EU isn’t anything like the 4 Reich EU isn‘t control by Germany it is control by every member state equal and I think that the leader isn’t now Germany but France

[@reaemishi2278]

@@David-kn4hb I actually blame them less for WW2 than WW1. Kiser Wilhelm could have stopped WW1 all on his own in several ways. 1.) Don't break the treaty with Russia and Austria that delineated everyone's sphere of influence and mutual security. I don't care if you think that your blood relationship with other monarchs makes war impossible, that's a stupid thing to think. European history is the history of closely related nobles stabbing each other for god, land, cash, or because they had a dream that told them to. Whatever really. or 2.) Don't get in an Arms race with England AND France at the same time. The English and French are ancient enemies. Pick a side and build to supplement their weakness. Don't build to threaten both world powers at the same time and then be surprised when they squash you. If Iran decides its going to build to destroy China and the US simultaneously tomorrow what do you think happens to Iran? or 3.) Insist on power neutrality instead of punitive campaigns with negligible economic or military benefit. Staying neutral to enforce on Russian neutrality with the French and British helps Austria more than putting soldiers in Serbia. And if Austria can't beat Serbia on its own there is a good chance that it is not worth the risk of war anyways. Also, stop insulting Italy for no reason. 2nd tier powers aren't allowed to be picky about their allies. These and other stupidly obvious calculations that don't require hind sight can be found in your basic common sense.

[@ZooDinghy]

Friends? ...uuuhm sure! And we start with the Anschluss! ;)

[@luisrabalperez7146]

Im from spain and we also have monarquia like other countries in Europe. There are so many problems to solve, im pro European but i dont even know if i would support this idea. Its so complex

[@TheDoctorIWho]

Not really. For the United States of Europe only three things are missing at this point. An official Constitution, now called the treaties, and, the key change, the election of the commission by the parliament not by both chambers as well as the EU-army has to be solved. That is all.

[@1lyxbollyvykn714]

there's always the option of reunification with former spanish territories. This may benefit spain more than accepting the german proposal because the EU only serves german interests, making other countries industries weak. germany does sponsor separatist movements as well as leftist parties. PSOE received funds from SPD as an example, germany is the real enemy.

[@JoostEurovisionFans]

You don't have to join the EU to be pro-European? What is that even suppose to mean? That we collaborate more? Fine! But most countries have national pride and don't want their country to be abolished. You guys keep amazing me, because you havent learned from history. Time and time again, bigger empires fell, because smaller countries wanted their nationality back. Bigger is not always better. Colbbaroration. Yes. Giving up sovereignty? No!

[@ami0TUBE]

U need to start war against Monarch

[@Jere-iy2yv]

@@TheDoctorIWho if only politics were that easy, you cant just put a ton of cultures in 1 country and call it a day, especially not after they were seovereign for hundreds to thousands of years

[@MadalinIgnisca]

That would be totally awesome.

[@onlyagermanguy]

Honestly i think if something like a United European Federation would happen, it would only be with a few memebers. Probaly France, Germany and the Benelux States. Which would make Economicly a lot more sense and would be more Feasible considering that these Governments already have good relation's and are All Economiy Power houses

[@unlink1649]

I agree. I don't see states like Hungary in a European state. They just elected Orban with a overwhelming majority of 65% for another term. They don't want Europe. They want authoritarianism, Russian influences and Europes money.

[@startingbark0356]

The Benelux probably doesnt want that

[@gamm8939]

While this is the most relastic, and I would be for it, considering that Belgium doesn't have a government over years now kinda shows why this will take decades

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

belgium doesnt even want to stay in one piece and you think after a century of being abused by their government they want to lose even more?

[@onlyagermanguy]

@@ashardalondragnipurake Isn't it unstable because the french Part would rather be Part of France the dutch Part would rather be Part of the Netherlands? I mean the Federation would kinda do that in a sense

[@maaax1173]

There would have to be a lot of federalism. The central government can't have too much authority since their decision affect such a massive amount of people

[@jv-lk7bc]

EU's population not much more massive than the US and considerably less than China or India.

[@maaax1173]

​@@jv-lk7bc The population is an extra 35% more people than in the US so it's also closer to half the amount of people that live in India or China. Plus there's a lot of different "cultures" and identities to an extent that can't be found in the US, China or India

[@zerotwo_.002]

@@maaax1173 that clearly shows you dont know either of those nations by that i mean india and to a lesser extent china

[@maaax1173]

@@zerotwo_.002 I'm not saying there's not a lot of cultural diversity in India, only that I don't think it can beat Europe. Only Africa can

[@IonorReasSpamGenerator]

@@maaax1173 Most of Europe is comprised of people preferring christian (heavily pushed in Poland) or more modern progressive values (a large portion of most developed Europe) under somewhat democratic leaderships, only recent immigration crisis divided nations in answering the question on how to deal with a mess many EU countries had nothing to do with. What food they eat, the music they listen to or the language they speak doesn't really matter because these hardly are kinds of differences to leave the EU for... Most of the differences that some perceive were artificially created by nationalist movements to prevent brain drain or instill patriotism to feed meat grinder in case of next war, there is not that much difference in European people from East to West in terms of their values, which you would find if you actually visited multiple EU countries, people from west to east wants same human rights and have similar priorities, just politicians like in Poland or Hungary are sometimes bit overenthusiastic in making their countries different to avoid unpopular EU policies (immigration). Further interference with foreign countries which larger EU countries did for decades and which ended miserably for the EU last decade will be the prime reason why not to give the EU more central power or even leave the EU by EU nations that were itself under oppression in the past, do not have any empire people superiority complex and want nothing to do with such behavior. If giving more power to EU leadership in Brussel means to become just another US or Russia overthrowing governments left and right as it suits EU geopolitical goals, EU consolidation of power will fail miserably and the whole union will fall apart rather soon even without an economic crisis because even if many Europeans wish stronger Europe I hardly know anyone who wants EU to replace the US as the world cleaner and leader in citizens bugging in order to enforce public support for rather shady policies, and rest assured that nationalists within EU nations will fully exploit such colonial behavior for gaining public support to get the hell out of yet another emerging empire...

[@MB-xw3nr]

Love your videos .. upload more often lol! Can you do a video discussing the conflict in Ethiopia??

[@Li.Siyuan]

United States of Europe? I'd rather friggin' dig out my toenails one by one with a blunt butter knife.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

A United States of Europe is a fascinating idea and I do hope to see it before I die.

[@fpsmeter]

Maybe first step should be a confederation, rather than a federation? E.g. large autonomy of states but common foreign policy and a common army.

[@jaroslawborzuchowski8113]

Wishful thinking. Look at Germany and France...how they excited to get that power. Central and Eastern countries will have nothing to say.

[@Luredreier]

@@jaroslawborzuchowski8113 Nah, a confederation is most certainly possible. And quite frankly, the east doesn't *have* to join that confederation. I can see Norway join a confederation, but not a federation.

[@jaroslawborzuchowski8113]

@@Luredreier Unfortunately East or Baltic states don't have many options.

[@alphabetaomega265]

@@jaroslawborzuchowski8113 Central and Eastern Europe will have a lot of influence, if they participate constructively, instead of doing what Hungary and Poland are doing. Look at the Influence Poland had with Tusk and Italy now has with Draghi.

[@jaroslawborzuchowski8113]

@@alphabetaomega265 I think it has to be some middle ground btw progressive West and conservative East. Otherwise all Europe will lose.

[@smulanx3]

This is a great video. Was wondering what your sources are, or if you have any reading recommendations around this topic? Would love to learn more

[@rrrsaw1414]

@The smoker becouse they live here, in Poland.

[@kelvinlee8188]

Switzerland: Not interested. Stop interrupting my outdoor activities and hot coco.

[@viktator4205]

Such a new idea that people have advocated for it since at least the 1500s

[@ekszentrik]

My liege, the HRE has implemented the option "Renovatio Imperii"!

[@griefwizard]

An average EU4 enjoyer

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

@@griefwizard gay

[@Michael_the_Drunkard]

Broke apart

[@krassendimitrov9747]

Puts a smile on my face to see an eu4 reference.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

The Holy Roman Reich as a model for the United States of Europe? Great idea because the Holy Roman Reich actually fell apart into many German dwarf states shortly after it was founded. Truly a great role model!

[@folkishappalachian6827]

This isn't a new idea, Germany tried this at least two times already.

[@luka1608]

Unitef States of Europe? More like Fourth Reich

[@ottomeyer6928]

@@luka1608 ef you.here we go again.

[@ottomeyer6928]

@@luka1608 ef you.here we go again,shame on you

[@aegix1557]

@@ottomeyer6928 bla bla bla shame on you

[@programking655]

Don’t forget France, they tried once at the beginning of the 19th century

[@Azraenore]

Would love to see it.

[@thespalek1]

The opposition of eastern part of the EU to such efforts is really complex, but can be destilled down to the fact, that smaller states already feel overlooked in the current EU, their point of view being critisised etc. Throw the sentiment of large parts of their citizens of already being "german colonies", as many of them work in german factories, for a fraction of a german salary only few miles away and you're really up for a serious allergy of germany suggesting such strong steps. A break down and exits are more likely, then united states of europe.

[@spyper6676]

Well, no one says you have to work at a german factory. No one says you have to leave your home country. And if some eastern European country's with radical opinions leave the EU. It won't be that bad too, as long as the founding members (except Britain, since they left) stay together Wouldn't have a problem with the western countrys to Form a EU state

[@thespalek1]

@@spyper6676 agreed. But it's a pitty, that they force it like that. I believe, that if a little effort was made to boost the PR of EU in those countries beyond stickers "paid for by EU" on subsidized projects, it could have really worked... (and btw. On the other hand those german factories really do profit from cheap labour.. But still I agree with your sentiment).

[@ragnargrabson1287]

@@spyper6676Actually, your words can be prophetic. Once countries of Central-Eastern Europe stop benefiting from EU funds, there will be less and less willingness to be colonized by German's business. Germany is a weakest link in EU...

[@JH-zs3bs]

I am German and I agree that Eastern Europe must be given much higher priority. I'm sick of seeing always German-french leaderhsip when anyone talks about the EU. I would say that any such steps must come from Eastern Europe to be feasible for all. A slower speed wont harm if that means we can get all aboard.

[@thespalek1]

@@JH-zs3bs 😊respect for such approach! 👍

[@iyouweGAME]

Germany doing it again.

[@vanshstalin7917]

This by economically ,twice failed by militarily

[@dnocturn84]

Technically it was France, not Germany... But I guess it's to good of a meme, so this opportunity can't be missed.

[@iyouweGAME]

@@dnocturn84 The EU is controlled by Berlin. France is the 2nd biggest power in the EU and likely agrees with them, sure.

[@dnocturn84]

@@iyouweGAME The EU is controlled in Brussels. Its power is distributed over all of its members. And it was France who pushed for this solution in the first place, not Germany.

[@edwartvonfectonia4362]

Goddamit Germany, you really love these things.

[@oxeyenld]

Just like that Austrian Painter

[@monarchistheadcrab8819]

Third time's the charm

[@uselessbob3630]

The Fourth Reich is coming diplomatically 😆

[@worstchoresmadesimple6259]

Well they tried it twice, got partitioned, lost most of East Germany with most if not all populations resettled. Then they calmed down until the next big group think called EU and Euro. They're not too comfortable with apologising to Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, most of Scandinavia, Poland, Russia, Czech and Slovakia and errmmm Spain for their heaps of belligerence. It makes for awkward after dinner conversations, however they have come a long way. I don't think Germany takes to the idea of a Federated Europe that swallows their country whole again, because the ECB was a hard sell. Plus Kohl isn't around anymore. They are now a pragmatic people, bean counters and beavers really doing their own thing. Secretly they would rather be Best Friends Forever with the Brits and Americans than having to deal with the little Napoleons constantly mushrooming in Paris. Plus it's a pain in the proverbial having to deal with Southern European Countries.

[@MrCosinuus]

0:10 They are not the first ones with 3 parties: Konrad Adenauer had also 2 and sometimes even 3 partners (3 and 4 in total respectively)

[@Jonathan_D12]

If this happens, for the love of god, do not allow secession in its consitution

[@DowntownPaco]

Absolutely one of the best videos I have seen on this very subject to date. Very well contextualized. Thank you!

[@sergiysergiy]

Yes, they totally deserve it.

[@sblbb929]

Just sadly completly delusional about comparing USA and EU unification. The 13 colonies were not nations ... apples and oranges

[@lajoyalobos2009]

I guess we can do it and just call it "The New Roman Empire."

[@evolife1044]

It will fall

[@marcusmagni]

"The New Roman Republic" would be more fitting

[@god6384]

The Neo Holy Roman Empire and everyone gets taught latin as second language. Let's be honest hungary and poland would think this is an amazing just because of the word "Holy" in the name. but "Empire" not so much.

[@secretbaguette]

Sounds sick

[@btCharlie_]

I believe it's safe to say the unanimity requirement is a chain ball. It had its place in the past, but it's really dragging us down. I don't think a federation is going to happen any time soon, but in the long term, it's probably the most sensible path for safe and strong Europe.

[@craigkdillon]

For a US of Europe, I did not hear the creation of a popularly elected head of state, or of an elected legislative body. The EU is now governed by bureaucrats appointed by each nation. EU governance reflects the will of ruling parties, but no of the people of Europe. That is a confederation, NOT a federation. The US tried that under our "Articles of Confederation" from 1781, to 1788. It failed, and we created a new Constitution to establish our current form of government. Europe need not repeat our mistake.

[@fds7476]

A federated Europe needs to become a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential democracy. An empowered, directly elected head of state offers no benefits other than inviting populism and increasing the risk of dictatorship.

[@programking655]

YES. This is exactly my point. Europe needs to swallow their pride and learn from our mistakes. We screwed up several hundred years ago, now they don’t have to. But imma guess they’re not going to and will make the same damn mistakes we did. History repeats itself.

[@craigkdillon]

@@fds7476 A federated republic --- parliamentary or presidential??? Which would be better. They both have advantages and disadvantages. IMO, one is not inherently better.

[@brayd1778]

There's a political party called "Volt" that has a party in every member state (Volt Deutschland (Germany), Volt Netherlands, etc.). The goal of that party is to create exactly this - a federal European state.

[@igeljaeger]

if only their other policies werent so far left leaning.

[@questionmark3219]

Yes, this party is absolutely superfluous because many parties in the countries are already demanding the same thing.

[@hurtigheinz3790]

I voted for them in the last elections of the European parliament.

[@brayd1778]

@@hurtigheinz3790 me too

[@ararune3734]

No the goal of that party is a woke dystopia, they want to be a US 2.0. and no thanks. If I wanted to live in a dumpster fire I would move to USA.

[@Skyl3t0n]

I mean it would be interesting if that happened since the US and China wouldn't be at the top anymore, but sadly there's just too many cultural differences to form a central government. Though I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of coutnries giving up their national armies to form a centralized european army. That would further ensure peace between european countries and make the army more efficient and powerful. And yes I am indeed german.

[@albevanhanoy]

A Federation will not necessarily happen by changing the currently existing Union into a Federation. It can simply be a sub-group of them, most likely starting with the western-most countries, uniting into a European Federation that is itself still a member of the European Union. Also, as the name "federation" implies, there will necessarily be changes into what the member states are. For starters, Germany already *is* a Federation. Will they unify into a single member state? Or will individual Landers become member states? I think the most likely (And most desirable outcome) is that the borders of member states would be redrawn, so current day Germany might become 4 or 5 member states of the European Federation, by grouping Landers into several states with their own cultural identity and state government. Also, every individual member state could end up having an official language of their own. Corsica could be a state. Catalonia could be a state. All would be part of a greater, bigger, stronger country, the European Federation, and yet end up having more autonomy of their own at the same time. The Federation would yield the power of foreign diplomacy and trade, as well as present a united military power, standing head-to-head with the superpowers of the world, while the states would enjoy their cultural identity strengthened and legitimized.

[@ManfredPrefi]

Wenn Sie Deutschland in 4 oder 5 Teile zerlegen wollen, in welche Teile möchten Sie denn Frankreich oder Italien zerlegen? Und wenn Sie Deutschland in 4 oder 5 Teile zerlegen wollen zeigt es, dass Sie von Geschichte und Kultur keine Ahnung haben. Die französische Regierung kann ihr Land in 5 oder 10 oder 20 "Regionen" zergliedern, wie sie will. Das ist in Deutschland nicht möglich. Nicht der Bund hat die Länder gegründet, sondern die Länder haben den Bund gegründet. Deshalb kann der Bund auch nicht die Länder auflösen. Auch die Länder werden sich nicht auflösen um einzeln den "Vereinigten Staaten von Europa" beizutreten.

[@smal750]

👍

[@damian4926]

I see lots of dreamers in the comments but lets take a look at it realistically: 1. Is Germany, France or any other European state is going to give up their national interest for a "greater good of the union"? I don't think so. Germans could easily stop Nord Streams and the energy crisis would never happen, also the Russians would have no leverage in Europe, yet they went for their national interest, not the union interest. Same goes for every other state in Europe. I somehow cannot imagine France giving up nuclear energy if that means greater good for the Europe. 2. What will be the union's official language? I somehow cannot imagine people using 26 languages and no one will agree to root out their mother language and exchange it with English. Especially the French. 3. Federal union state means there will be only two parties: French and Germans - just like Democrats and Republicans in the USA. Why? Cuz they have the biggest populations. This means that either one or the other will be in power and nobody else. They will decide what's good and what's not for the other states. Why would for example Ireland let the French and Germans decide what is good for them. Most French and Germans don't even know where Ireland is on the map. What if Germans and French will decide that Ireland cannot have low taxation (what have brought her wealth) and must change its economics, meaning it must get poor. Why would Irish let them decide on that? Even if this thing will happen, it will break apart immediately. This is impossible to hold for a longer period, nobody will simply give up their interest for a "greater good" and nobody really feel a unity. A Portuguese man might say that he "feels European and connected to other Europeans", but is he gonna go to war against Russia if Poland will be attacked? I doubt. He will immediately stop feeling European, he will start looking at his country's interest and his country's interest will be to not go to war with Russia over Poland, its that simple. That is not the case with US. A guy from California might not like a guy from Texas, but if there would be a war with Mexico a guy from California would have no problem with giving his life over Texas. This is the fundamental reason why the United Europe is impossible. As long as we are not ready to die for each other, the thing is just not gonna happen.

[@BringbackgAmberleafns]

The only way it could remotely have a chance of working in regards to France and Germany dominating it at elections. Would be to break up France and Germany inside the EU and have federated EU states such as Normandy or a bavaria but even then they might still vote as ethnic blocks instead of national ones making it pointless.

[@Kafei01]

Dude, every french and every german knows where Ireland is on the map, don't be insulting please.

[@pepega7015]

Make sense

[@LegendNinja41]

''Most French and Germans don't even know where Ireland is on the map. What if Germans and French will decide that Ireland cannot have low taxation (what have brought her wealth) and must change its economics, meaning it must get poor. Why would Irish let them decide on that? '' First off, we're not Americans, i can easily name every country in europe + it's location and 99.9% of Germans will know where Ireland is located. also Ireland without low taxation would be poor? their economy would change, ok but that doesn't mean they would become poor, surely Ireland is not a little tax haven that has nothing else going for them. it's known that there economy is artificially blown up by tax inversion practices, ''In July 2017, the Irish Central Statistics Office (CSO) warned that tax inversions to Ireland artificially inflated Ireland's GDP data (e.g. without providing any Irish tax revenue''. Currently Irelands GDP per capita is at around 95k USD, while most of Western Europe is at 50-60k USD.

[@Njordin2010]

why should anybody give up nuclear energy? it was just declared as a green energy by the EU. i hope germany joins the nuclear movement. other green parties already made clear that they were in error with their stance. you want to save the planet? build nuclear / fusion / thorium plants. thats the most safe bet. everything else is a very risky bet.

[@broark88]

When the cause is to centralize power, the goal is never anything good.

[@Arcaryon]

You just hate nation states then. Or don’t you prefer city states?

[@muffinman5741]

@@Arcaryon City states would be an amazing idea. Is see this much more likely as the future of europe.

[@Arcaryon]

@@muffinman5741 That’s crazy to me. How will city states work? Like, they work when they are very few and protected by the bigger states like Monaco aso. but for a whole continent? While Russia chuckles in the background? How is that going to work?

[@evolife1044]

@@Arcaryon E.U hates nation states

[@faultier1158]

@@Arcaryon Well, Hamburg is a city state that's also a member of the Federal Republic of Germany. That's the solution: city states are fine as long as they're protected as a part of a bigger federation (hint: EU). Probably not what that person meant though.😂

[@Unity_Work]

FINNALY!!!

[@monstergurke88]

New update is lit

[@KatoTVcsgo]

From the places I've traveled to or lived in all around europe, I can totally say that the Swedes, the finnish and the danish would rather leave than be integrated And the baltics would love to join in into the USE Poland/Hungary, would rather leave and such aggressive attempt at unifcation would help them succeede Can't say anything for southern europe. Western europe would probably unite. But to be honest, I don't think this ever going to happen

[@xman7695]

I would guess that the financial situation in the southern states and France is a big issue that could lead to vetos of the Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, and maybe Germany too.

[@HelsinkiFINketeli_berlin_com]

Finland is in the Schengen and in the core of the EU now, and the finnish policy is to belong to the core states even more so in the future. Finland is perhaps the most active present member also in the pursuit of the union defence forces and the unified foreign policy as well.

[@xman7695]

@xX DeadMemes Xx as our (German) chancellor said, righter a union (which even our own law does not allow) or leave... So you probably don't have to go to war (if nothing happens between EU and Russia).

[@hurri7720]

@@vikkran401 , no it's not unpopular among the Nordic countries, quite the opposite especially now having had to listen to the British. More cooperation is good but not one country is for giving up on its independence in the union. This video is just stupid propaganda by idiots.

[@MEGA_862]

@@xman7695 if Mr. Kuhscheißestaplers wet dream comes true there will be a new independent state in the northeast. Lets call it Prussia lol

[@diegonatan6301]

If France and Germany really want to federalize the union the best way would be by merging the two countries together into a Franco-German Federation and testing the model that they want to implement. If the union is succesfull other nations will want to join and those that keep reticent could be convinced to join if the franco-germans threaten to leave the EU. Then maybe countries like Hungary, Poland, even Italy and the Nordic Countries would choose to leave, but I don't think that Spain, Portugal, Benelux, Greece and Cyprus would have much of a choice other than accept the union.

[@uselessbob3630]

I agree. The franks and Germans would have to try it first before any other EU country would think to join.

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

I partly agree and disagree, I don't think it's going to be a positive sign if it's just Germany and France, other nations should also get the chance to join into this idea and many but not all will do so, there is a policy method called ''multispeed European intergration"' which is each member state chooses it's own method of intergration and gets placed in a rank of sorts on how far they are intergrated, most of western Europe and parts of Northern Europe are already largely intergrated, same rule of law, mostly same culture, close relations with member states but others like parts of Eastern Europe and Southern Europe might be more reserved due to history or specific national interests that clash with European interests which might mean they want less full intergration. while that might not be optimal it would give a gradual transformation of the EU and can actually do something for the member states that would benefit them and thus promote further intergration into a wider European Federation, it's probably the best move forward and can iron out the issues faster for each new state that wishes to join.

[@prjk7339]

they should do it fast and show how true partner agreement should look like

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

@R well the alternative is leaving the block or being seen as less important for EU wide policies since they aren't willing to put in the effort, you can say it's unfair and perhaps it is but likewise us being blocked by smaller member states is also unfair so at some point it has to move forward and you can join or not join but effects will happen and they can be positive or negative. Mercenary approach is a bit unfair, they aren't trying to become a federation for economic reasons just to make money, it's a national security issue for all member states and long term growth for a world that's hyper competitive, stagnation means death and Europe has stagnated for quite some time, if it does not bend, it will break that's the way I see it.

[@witthyhumpleton3514]

@R I think it's not wrong to see it that way, although in the end it unfortunately comes down to a manner of how it is presented. If France and Germany were to say you have to join or go under, that would be mercenary, and quite frankly I don't see the point of forcing someone to work together, that never leads to positive outcomes, I'd prefer if people wish to have closer cooperation for mutual benefit. On the other hand however, if some powers of Europe wish to unify, and in turn the ones that simply don't see the benefit of closer cooperation and integration wish to remain as they are, then being treated as a normal third country like the UK would be quite normal. Unfortunately both sides have their fair points, after all the ones who integrate further do it because they see a benefit in it. It would then be normal that a country that decides against joining, and believes itself to be in a stronger position to become less important to the Union than those who are actual members of it, it's natural, just like the actual areas and states within a country matter to that country much more than anything outside of it.

[@FAF]

I think the best way to go, would be if Germany and France and maybe belgium, netherland and luxembourg would form a federal state because they are the leading countries in the EU and their population has a strong tendency to a united europe. Furthermore the cultural division of belgium and both German and French as a national language would encourage a united federal state. Also the good relations between France and Germany are good foundations because in Germany most people learn French as a third language and in France German as a third langage. With Germany, France, belgium and the netherlands, other countries would tend to join because they would see that it is possible and works. In addition I think that with the gain of renewable energy such as solar, wind and hydro, the independence from Russia decreases. Therefor there is more need for renewables and a shared energy grid would be useful for the further extension of renewable energy. For all of you who are saying: What about our culture? What about our national pride? Just think about all those benefits a united Europe has. A united Europe would have huge economic gain. There would develop a new kind of culture. And even the foreign reputation would change because Europe would be seen as a real super power. My expections are that this could all happen within the next 40 years. Climate change is a huge problem and with the problematic conflict in Ukraine a united Europe was never needed as much as today. Ps: there is no way that we call it USE! PPs: I am from Germany. PPPs: Sorry for any language mistakes. I am only 13 years old and I am learning english for only four years. Don't say any things like " You are just a child! You don't know about national politics!" because I KNOW about politics and understand probably more than you if you have such an old and conservative opinion!

[@FAF]

@@taranschatz Thank you! I really appreciate it because my English teacher is not the best and I am probably more learning English from KZbin than from school. This gives me a lot of confidence on my English.

[@ianmansbridge3646]

Well said Friedrich, I am 72 and no wiser than you. Name suggestion for the new state ( federal or confederation ) EFU or ECU / UFE or UCE depending on linguistic preference. Don't think I can fault your English but then I'm from Manchester and Londoners are not sure we speak English this far north because it sounds so different - we are quite proud of that. Diversity is not threatened in Europe, look forward to being European again soon.

[@JH-zs3bs]

Both your level of english as well as your political analysis are very impressive, even more so if you're only 13. I would like to add though, that Easta nd southern europe should be given more priority and should be listened to more often and carefully.

[@piplupempoleon4225]

consider belgium separatism still strong no way german and france unite

[@andreubalasteguitomas1793]

I would definitely support it!

[@jurajskoda]

Good idea. I would vote for strenghtening Europe's unity. I feel like European. Slovakia is too small to say something in global politics.

[@TFAric]

Slovakia would be swallowed by this and lose all sovereignty. Small countries would lose so much.

[@jurajskoda]

@@TFAric Let's discuss this issue. You say, that it would be a great loss for smaller countries to unite to bigger entity right? From the perspective of the future: What is more suitable for governing the world? Let's see hypothetical examples, exxagurated of course. 1.A lot of small nations in the world, no big entities, with its own interrests and very small individual impact. It would be very hard to agree on something. A lot of nations are going to fight each other because of opposite interests. 2. 4-5 entities for whole world, that are competing with each other, which could be a good thing unless war starts or they will harm each other somehow (China, USA, Russia, USE, India). 3. Big entity of Mankind, that have one goal, no wars, one language, (one religion???). It can regulate itself very easily, solve global warming and other existential treaths like nothing. Just imagine the resources available for innovation instead of wars. Ressources available for very big projects, that could make life multiplanetary species. But what if the governor of the world would be bad? Would the whole world suck?

[@Optimistic7718]

You wish Bro! Never👆🏻

[@suaptoest]

Except; it is a very bad idea if done just to please you. We are already tired of the changes that the EU has had so far. We have no willingness to lose any more for the benefit of others. And we don’t want any new Hintler to lead us. We would like to get rid of the current leaders as well. Greatness would not help it.

[@Xenofer1]

@@TFAric I mean why would anyone want to create a nation , don't they realize that the smaller cities will get swallowed and loose all sovereignity , they loose so much.

[@davidedickjr]

Well-done report on an idea that still has traction. While the rise of a federal European state may be unlikely in the foreseeable future, visibility going forward is unusually poor right now. My sense is we a living on the cusp of a time of rapid transformation. In many ways, what was is no more, and what will be has yet to be determined.

[@GiganFTW]

New generations are ready for war.

[@hillockfarm8404]

@@GiganFTW War is for young people Europe is aging.

[@UlpianHeritor]

The United States of Europe is a pipe dream

[@MrZxcvbnm22]

As a Moroccan born in Spain, I hope this idea succeeds. Then, the North-African countries would probably follow. And in the middle East we could see, at last, how the countries remove the borders that they were imposed. And we could finally see the organic Middle East that should have happened after the end of the Ottoman Empire. 2 or 3 distinct cuntries, not 22 smaller, artificial and more managable puppet countries ruled by idiots...

[@JoostEurovisionFans]

These cosmopolitan dogs try to pour old wine in new bottles. This is nothing new. These people promise it is necessary and will lead to massive better life for you. But really, it will only improve their power and capitalist venture network. Haven't you learnt anything form the past? Your ancestry and heritage like for example: Catalonia, nationalities are nothing more than irrelevant rubbish to them. They don't care about you. Try talking wit a local politician and realise how far they are from reality.

[@JKAV_76]

Unifying under the English language would further the influence of the UK and US, the lack of a unified culture and inability to communicate on top of historical animosity will severely hinder this process.

[@KilledKenny01]

Currently the European Parliament operates multi lingual. Why a „country“ need to speak one language? Switzerland has 3 e.g.

[@ManfredPrefi]

You complain of the "lack of a unified culture"? The numerous different languages and cultures are the greatest wealth of Europ.

[@Alexander_the_Greatest]

@@ManfredPrefi the problem is that the greatest enemy to Europeans has, been for most of it's life, other Europeans.

[@ManfredPrefi]

@@Alexander_the_Greatest Compared to the period between 1800 and 1950, we have now made great progress in Europe. 26 countries belong to the European Union. They do not agree on everything, but they do not wage war. All countries in the Balkans, Turkey and Ukraine want to join. Only 3 countries have left - because they do not want to share their prosperity with poorer countries. What more do we want?

[@notinghere2190]

@@ManfredPrefi a crusade against the turks.

[@damienrichards9743]

Can anybody tell me the background ost? Please help, much appreciated.

[@GillissenShow]

on the langauge thing; the UK leaving the EU has, if anything, opened up the chance for english to become the unifying language of the EU. In short, with UK in the EU, why would France/Germany/Italy/Spain be ok with accepting english as the lingua franca? Without the UK, adapting english as the federation's language is a big middle finger to the UK, and that is a very french thing to do.

[@iwasanacciident]

@TheWeeaboo most British people don't speak with a posh accent, they speak with a neutral tone that you'd expect to see on a tv show, and in reality more people probably speak English around the world with a more posh tone, just look at people from India and Pakistan, they speak it in a posh tone yet they aren't even native speakers and in most cases aren't very posh/wealthy. And my god I will never say I speak American, I will not give those obnoxious nationalistic lunatics the satisfaction of doing so, no matter how much I dislike the brits lol

[@JJaqn05]

@@iwasanacciident Why do you dislike us Brits lmao. Whats your nationality?

[@alexrobinson2103]

Most European people speak American English.

[@alexrobinson2103]

@@JJaqn05 British vote leave EU. This why we don't like you

[@JJaqn05]

@@alexrobinson2103 Most Europeans speak English. And English comes from England. So every European speaks English English

[@Luredreier]

6:52 The idea that Europe should unite into one nation is much, much older and dates back, predating the EU.

[@JohnFlower-NZ]

Pax Romana?

[@LasVegar]

The holy roman empire 3rd Rich

[@JohnFlower-NZ]

Carolingan

[@jasonkingshott2971]

Yeah, it came to a halt in 1945.

[@djprojectus]

Kalergi

[@cezariusus7595]

As a romanian I hope the EU manages to overcome it's inherent hurdles.

[@mattybowler7966]

Why all who loves eu idea idolises communists and the modern nazi's in germany

[@JH-zs3bs]

As a German I disagree with the videos statement that a push for a united federal european state must come from its strongest member. I would say it is exactly countries like Romania and mostly the rest of eastern europe and the Balkans where such an initiative must come from. Eastern Europe only got its independence from the Soviet sphere of influence and so far I would say profited greatly in economic terms from being part of the EU. But all the focus on France and Germany (sometimes Italy and Spain as well) is an unfair bias towards Eastern europe which has all the same potential to play a major role in our common European history. That said, even today with free movement over borders I fell we achieved a lot already. lets cherish that.

[@ems7623]

Many of those hurdles are managing popular opinion. The surge of nationalist factions in recent years (something Russia has quietly stoked through disinformation campaigns and propaganda) is major barrier to a better functioning Europe. There's still a very strong urge in Europe towards the "small nation state". Consider the many seperatist movements that still exist

[@summerstride752]

Oh boy, this isn't aging well..

[@ScorpionBear_AG]

Something drastic has to happen for everybody to agree to become a federation. That being said, long live Switzerland.

[@Arcaryon]

Eh, these kinds of things take time. You don’t immediately get to a federal Europe, if that even becomes the decided path, France for instance is, after all, a centralized state. Basically, it’s a question of direction. Do we keep begging America to keep protecting us against better knowledge OR start to prepare for the inevitable and also because some of us actually just happen to care for each other.

[@jv-lk7bc]

Many drastic things are happening right now.

[@Arcaryon]

@@jv-lk7bc That is absolutely true. Then again, it took two world wars to get this ball rolling so one shouldn’t expect any rapid developments.

[@hottake4605]

@@Arcaryon Sounded like a plan, a quite superficial unification attempt based on banking economic incentive. Fact is all empires fall, the bigger it is the harder it falls, that being said there is a way it can be done right thus setting up for longer lasting infrastructure BUT oddly they seem to be doing things quite damagingly and superficially which is harming that cause. So You are right it takes a long time but to them a pump & dump isn't worth such a investment.

[@Arcaryon]

@@hottake4605 I mean, the banking system is just one part of the puzzle. But listing all the issues about the EU just takes too much time so I usually reduce myself to "reforms of the political side of the EU as well as reforms of the whole European financial & economical system". The debt & banking issue is a useful example imo. because it’s easy to understand and even easier to criticize in a political setting. I think that the main reason why some empires deteriorate is corruption that leads to economic hardship and inner turmoil mixed with unfortunate circumstances. Looking to Rome as a sort of example, a big part of the question is how to even get to a point where the EU itself starts to be able to carry its own momentum and then it just becomes about keeping that momentum going. Because I have come to think that the biggest factor in human life is the state of the economy, I am convinced that most issues the EU has can only be fixed on the drawing bord of the core financial & economic theory of the entire thing. While I am talented enough to recognize these flaws, I am not educated enough to find solutions to them because in the end, we are really talking about redefining large aspects of fundamental principles that go beyond what one can figure out after a simple university education. The political side of things is imo. much easier to fix. Just happens to take a ton of time.

[@richardgalea9884]

The EU politicians treat its citizens as children, as a Maltese citizen, I prefer that Malta joins the English speaking world.

[@Neion8]

I mean, you might want to wait a bit as our current politicans are showing the world how not to manage a country and IMO the UK needs a revolution to rework the structure of our government to not be inherently corrupt even before people get involved... But as an Englishman I gotta say, I love the people of Malta and I'm proud of the friendship we share!

[@richardgalea9884]

@@Neion8 Well, the further our alliance is afar from our shores, the more it is beneficial for both parties. Apart that having an alliance with mainland Europe can only erase the few commercial advantages that we have as small island nation.

[@maxwalker1159]

Cool

[@julemrln4144]

People... please stop the coments about "Germany wants to rule Europe once", because I think (as a German myself) that thats clearly not the point of a USE ... Its a bond from (mostly) democratic states to prevent such misery as in Ukraine. Its for the security of the people living in Europe and hopefully around the whole world😊

[@DaniG.German883]

Not true

[@lys6295]

You made a mistake at the beginning of the video. This coalition is actually not the first three party coalition Germany had since WW2 as the first German government from 1949-1953 also contained 3 parties the CDU/CSU, FDP and the back then relevant DP. This was followed by a four-party-government containing the CDU, FDP, DP and a long forgotten German refugee party. This was followed by another three party coalition containing the CDU and FDV, which ended in 1957. While Germany only had two party coalitions on the national level since 1957, it definitely had them since WW2.

[@defective6811]

OP was maybe discounting any pre-reunification governments?

[@yaltschuler]

@@defective6811 Well then saying "since WW2" is irrelevant since a unified Germany has only existed since the 90s.

[@defective6811]

@@yaltschuler 🤷‍♂️

[@Timothy001]

First CDU/CSU are seen as one party in a government and that is the first three party coalition for the government. Three party coalitions happened in the federal states yes, but not in the German government

[@laurentschmidt2758]

@@Timothy001 Apart from the fact that members of the CSU will vehemently disagree I concede that I don't think of the previous coalition as a three-party-coalition. However the first German government after the war was made up of CDU/CSU, FDP and DP so if you consider CSU and CDU as one party in a coalition THAT was the other three party coalition. (And obviously if someone disagrees with CDU and CSU being considered as one in a coalition then obviously Germany has had a lot of three-party coalitions)

[@prion42]

I disagree with Fullbright's interpretation on the formation of the US. Each of those people-groups he mentioned were subsumed under WASP domination. Most of us give no thought at all to our ancestral identity.

[@joaov.m.oliveira9903]

Ancestry is a stupid subject. There's no worth in knowing who your seventh grandfather was.

[@emperorarima3225]

Weren't a lot of southerners French Catholics. WFCs to your WASPs

[@hottake4605]

Yes the 13 were part of English imperial colonies they held a majority of ethnic cohesive, cultural, socio - political, ideological and a immense list of commonalties that I can go on with from infrastructure to linguistical, architectures etc etc originating from British empire that tied the people together. Some immigrants were not but again they were entering into a assimilating process of systemic structure controlled by Anglos. There are not 13 colony but 44 Countries in Europe each with their own right to Self Sovereignty with distinct intricacies in the multi thousands of years. Macron was a banker the USE is another imperialist banker project, is interesting that England POUNDS and Swiss aren't in this that's one small anecdote. Another element is that the colonials left for a new life in the Americas and MOST of USA was uninhabited by them at this time they just on paper ''owned'' the land.

[@-hg7fc]

@@emperorarima3225 yes wasp is kind of a 20th century misnomer Maryland was founded English Catholics New York was Dutch Delaware originally Swedish and there was a big difference between Calvinist Yankees and high church Anglican Virginians. Either way most Europeans in the American colonies were from the Britian and Ireland north western France the Low countries and the Rhineland with a tiny minority of Swedes.mass migration from the rest of Europe didn’t come till the 19th century.

[@programking655]

Yeah, that’s wrong. Most of us give no thought to our ancestry NOW. They used to. People used to identify more with their home state than with the country at large. The best example is Robert E Lee. Things only really changed because of World War 2.

[@Putput-se5ew]

I think that forming a federal europe would be a good idea in terms of saving all different cultures and languages of europe since otherwise sooner or later smaller states would be absorbed by bigger ones and atleast some would lose their national heritage and identity. Just my thought.

[@owenlphd9359]

i know this sounds sus but its the only way to move to a geopolitical independent europe independent from russia and usa which is the most important thing to achieve

[@shantzmedley2664]

Meanwhile, In the USA, we are looking for ways to breakup into a union of separate countries. Have fun governing with people who disagree on reality.

[@DimensionalGaming4]

Our infiltrating enemies are.

[@spongebobsucks12]

Got a chuckle out of me. I don't think Europe is ready to unify, there's no outside threat to force them together the same way the US had Brittain and the natives as existential threats to their existence

[@FiveNineO]

@@spongebobsucks12 perhaps love can be the unifying force instead of fear?

[@fabreezethefaintinggoat5484]

beaurocratic dictators who live in the constant quest for complete dominaton are not reality..and no one is breaking the union,stop spreading false news and conspiracy theories

[@jizzusmuhammageh8383]

@@dafi0 lmao if you're looking for stolen resources, ask the Romanian thieves where they took them. I don't think German politicians infiltrate Romanian territory during the night and steal your copper statues xD

[@killax27]

I think it will be less like the USA and more like yugoslavia on steroids with the same eventual outcome.

[@brandon9635]

His is literally the definition of 'cant beat them? Join them!'

[@colombosmarco]

A part from all the pros of an USE, who would like competing in the Olympics as 1 team and other "minor" changes that would occur?

[@kaanaslan3003]

Quasi-Confederate States of Europe can inherit France’s seat in UN Permanent Security Council. However member states won’t likely want to give up their "national" representation in United Nations and OECD. I believe the EU must go through a complete overhaul and offer different levels of membership in order to achieve the goal of ‘Greater Europe’ in this century. Members in the inner circle can take advantage of full common market and unrestricted access for their citizens while countries in outer circle can take advantage of customs union, joint monetary policy and mutual defence agreements.

[@sidimote]

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it seems that European autorities are afraid of creating a "two-speed Europe".

[@johnl.7754]

Without full Union then don’t know if the richer countries people willing to share own $$$$ with the poorer ones.

[@pauljohnson1664]

Without proper democracy it is doomed to fail.

[@Kafei01]

Stop right there man, France's seat will never leave the hand of the french president. We will never allow it. We are willing to use the veto power for a friend if needed, but giving up our seat entirely will not happen forget it.

[@vinniechan]

Effectively u are kicking several full member states to EEA/EFTA arrangements The problem is the balance would shift towards those on the EFTA and EEA but not full fledged member with more member states there As the relative size of the economy of those on the EFTA grows its hard to justify the current arrangements where EFTA pays contribution just takes all the rules made by the full EU member states with no say on it

[@SuperLusername]

I like how the map of United States of Europe shows a united Cyprus. Good Times Bad Times trolling Turkey since ancient times.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

I dislike turkey they ruin borders, same with azerbaijan, i want a larger armenia greece and a united cyprus, with the greece situation at leats make it neat with thrace

[@miksta8821]

with the way the Cypriot turks are getting annoyed at Ankara now, it might actually become a reality...

[@ArtisZ]

@@miksta8821 Can you tell us more what's happening there?

[@miksta8821]

@@ArtisZ apparently, because of the inflation crisis in Turkey, this has somehow led over into North Cyprus and their Lira has apparently fallen. There appears to be growing support in Northern Cyprus for reunification

[@sktt1488]

@@miksta8821 🥵🥵🥵..

[@martinboskovic1009]

Das Grosse Deutsche Reich 0.2, Holy Roman Empire 0.3,The Frankish Empire 0.4, All died in blood, British were not stupid to stay...