BEST Gun Finish: BLACK NITRIDE Your Gun!

[@NitreraTechnologies]

Thank you Mike, for taking the time to visit us and put together such as awesome video!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you as well! Hopefully people will discover nitriding more and enjoy a basically worry free finish on the steel of their firearms. Recently I was sent a picture of a non nitrided gun - some kind of coating on the gun that had inadvertently fallen at an angle on a wood stove in a hunting cabin. The contact point was minimal but I guess the impact and heat....not a good outcome. All the best to you and your team!

[@AlBartanvi]

Many thanks to both Mike and Jonathan for enlightening us. Jonathan spoke with supreme clarity and made us understand the two rather Complex processes better than any other thing i have read or watched on the subject. Didn't know that Mike is such a competent person in doing videos of factory tours and Interviews. In fact the way he prompted Jonathan to articulate some complex processes was simply brilliant!,I hope to see more of this sort of stuff from the team in the coming moths and years.

[@bwayne40004]

My last company before retiring nitrided parts for our product. Glass smooth and when cross sectioned the nitriding process did indeed appear embedded into the metal. The parts were tested extensively for corrosion and were very durable for the most part.

[@sterlingduck5402]

Wonderful to see a professional with a passion for his work. More so, a professional willing to be so free with his knowledge rather than try to "protect it" as if it is only for certain annointed individuals. Nice job, and a great video.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you. I know what you mean - Jonathan is amazing. All the best.

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thanks you Mike for the show and thank you Jonathan!

[@rapalaron6348]

Very interesting .Thanks

[@randyhavard6084]

Fascinating to learn about these types of processes

[@stevecochran2677]

I totally agree with USOG, for guns that I actually am using or going to use out in the rain, snow, and know it is going to be subject to abuse, I always get black nitride parts now. It cost a few dollars more but its totally worth the min cost. Great video.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you - words from experience.

[@stacker472]

Thank you so much for all these wonderful videos.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you for being here - and I'm glad my videos are okay. Your kind words keep us going. All the best to you!

[@aceball8]

Thanks Mike and Jonathan for an excellent and informative presentation!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you for your note! Much appreciated!

[@jaysilber910]

Thanks for doing this video. I’m a blacksmith (in addition to my interest in guns) so metal finishing is always of interest.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

That means a lot - thank you!

[@waldemar4919]

Last month I bought the "nitrided" KIDD bold for my 10/22. I had no idea what's that (just black). Now I know :) Thank you.

[@js-du4gw]

Thank you so much Mike for the tour. I really enjoyed it and learned so much thank you

[@chadrichard6388]

Great video . Please more along these lines . Browning and blueing .

[@michaelguerin56]

Great video. Special thanks to Jonathan for his excellent presentation.

[@edwardburrowes4243]

Hi very interesting but how much does the process cost? Thanks

[@net-twin-de]

I have seen videos of you Mike and was really worried about your health, but in this video I can fortunately see that you seem to be fitter and healthy again and actually look younger. I hope you are really feeling better. By the way, a very interesting video, thank you very much. Greetings from Stuttgart, Andreas

[@nickpurdy3096]

What an interesting video. What a great company. Now I'm going to look for a similar company in the UK. Thanks to both of you. Well explained and presented.

[@scousewillo62]

As usual a very interesting and informative video. Love to see craftsmen doing their thing. The nitrating looks to be a perfect treatment for firearms. Be interesting to see if it would be suitable for air guns with their very close tolerances of piston fit inside the cylinder/compression tubes.

[@iddddaduncan]

Awesome episode, thank you!

[@davehartman4350]

Very good video and knowledge. Thank you

[@rem3105]

Great information, I've been familiar with the nitride process in my professional life. We used it primarily as a hardening method that allows the parts parent metallurgy and dimensions to remain stable as opposed to the old case hardening methods. The common reference to nitriding a surface "finish" has always puzzled me...interesting stuff. Thanks!

[@grannydeen1586]

Thanks to both of you for this. The first ten years of my working life were in manufacturing. At 70 now and still love to see how things are made and, how and why things work. This video is fascinating.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I appreciate your note - for me as well - it's quite interesting listening to Jonathon.

[@ryanglass3570]

Fantastic, learned a lot and will be sending some business his way thanks!

[@lundysden6781]

Great show!!

[@KD-lq1sr]

I have a new Weatherby Mark V Accumark that had chips in the Cerakote right out of the box. This could be a good finish upgrade in the future. When I worked at Ridgid plumbing tools we carbo-nitrided surfaces that had to be extremely wear resistant.

[@itsallchemical42]

thanks for letting come with, and hopefully more shops will invite us to see how firearms are made and finished

[@galenhisler396]

That's amazing! This was so informative 👏 I was worried it wouldn't look like a traditional bluing, but this is great . What's the cost of doing a rifle? average i know all rifles are different.

[@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476]

Thank you Mike for another VERY interesting & comprehensive video. 😌🇺🇲💪

[@12monkey57]

Fascinating video! Thank you!

[@NielsenNielsen]

Thank you for this wonderful tour! I've been working in different factories over the years, all from food industry, to complex aluminium machining and now I work in a knife factory. When I was producing racing components (even small series for koenigsegg, yes I'm Swedish) all parts where coated and surface threated by a third party because we lacked the experience and machinery to do it inhouse. I was always amazed when we got parts back for further inspection and quality check before shipping to the customer with the finish of the parts. I never had the chance to visit the facilities where they did such things, but this video is a excellent glimpse of some of the methodes used. I loved the format and the questioning, easy to follow and understand. Keep us spoliled by your excellent content, it's a delight to follow your journey! Best regards from Sweden.

[@frankwebster8365]

This was an amazing video. I have never heard of this process before; only parkerizing steel, patina, and blueing, jese, wow. Take Care and Be Safe.

[@krockpotbroccoli65]

Fascinating. Im familiar with bluing and have done the process, and have heard of nitriding/ nitro-carburizing but before this, I'd never had any real info on the subject. Very cool! I can think of a few candidates for this finish in my collection. Also some custom tools that ive made as well.

[@BenBelkin]

Thank you!!

[@obi1kahnobee549]

Does the high temperatures affect the hardness of the steel?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Not unless the part is very thin - such as a flat spring

[@tomr2982]

Curious to know how the nitriding process affects the interior of the barrel - does it prolong barrel life etc?

[@NitreraTechnologies]

I have read and heard reports of nitriding extending useful barrel life, but also heard it is not so great on 400 series stainless barrels for staving off throat erosion. I believe it is best suited for chrome-moly barrels, e.g. 4140. Nitriding can reduce barrel fouling and heat up, extending accurate strings of fire before having allow the barrel to cool (as reported by an F class shooter whose barrels we nitride), and longer accurate string of fire between cleanings.

[@gusloader123]

Tomr2982 ---- Good question about the interior of the barrel. The rifling is what makes it a "rifle" instead of a "scattergun". Hope Mike does a range test on that Winchester.

[@boostimalaka1]

I miss the Bright Blue finish on the older factory finishes. My 1968 Remington 742 BDL Custom Deluxe looks beautiful after all those years. The DuPont RKW finish on the wood was especially pleasing on the firearms.

[@farrenholt1112]

answered alot of questions

[@davidstuck2866]

GREAT video! I'm looking forward to seeing your Winchester back together again. It may be the lighting, or oil, but your firearm appeared much shinier that I thought it would be. When I think of nitriding, (and this might just be my ignorance showing) I think of dull black rifles like the AR-15.

[@salvadormelendez9749]

Very interesting.

[@35southkiwi16]

I learned.Thanks.

[@joellaurin9007]

Canadian company out of Surrey BC! Keep up the great work boys!!!

[@LYMANHALL30]

Awsome content mike!

[@wizardofahhhs759]

If I had it my way all of my guns would be color case hardened. 😄 This process sounds a lot like the tennifer finish Glock, Walther and S&W uses, but they all use different trade names.

[@BryceKimball7.3]

Imagine a color case hardened Glock slide…that would confuse people lol. The newer Glocks aren’t even using that anymore, they’ve gone to DLC or Ionbond, something like that. My 19x slide is holding up amazing. Looks new after over 6 months of EDC and 5-6 range trips. 500rds through it. Not a scratch anywhere on it, and I don’t really baby my carry guns.

[@Chiller11]

A very interesting episode. If you want a seriously durable finish it sounds like nitriding followed by oxiding or perhaps cerakote if you want that camouflage look is the way to go. I’d be interested how this process contrasts with the older bluing processes of say Smith and Wesson or Colt. There is something aesthetically pleasing when one encounters a minty older firearm where the blued finish is undisturbed.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I agree the original Colt blue and Smith & Wesson blue were stunning; niter bluing is something. Actually most bluing is fine. Many collectors prefer worn bluing to any re-blue or restoration. On the other hand sometimes guns are in such bad cosmetic shape that they could use some kind of finish.

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

Very interesting thank you.

[@usnchief1339]

Without a doubt, nitride is in the top 3 finishes. I would pick nitriding. Thanks!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you

[@Mark-Marine]

Thanks Mike for this informative journey. I only wish you had pointed out an approximate cost for your Winchester’s treatment. However, I am not disappointed. Please remember me for your 8mm Magnum - hopefully you’ll decide before Christmas 👍🏻

[@billj503]

Where can I get the field jacket you have? what is it?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi! The link for the jacket is in the description of the video. Just click on the link and you'll be taken to the jacket on Amazon. I hope that helps :-)

[@billj503]

@@UnitedStatesOfGunshi, thanks, but the link shows a different jacket. ?

[@hvymax]

Coatings over Raw Parkerizing can be durable.

[@andrew32155]

Yeah, something like Ceramic powder/Epoxy paints would have absolutely insane levels of "grab" on the microscopic jagged phosphate crystal surface of Parkerizing. Although Nitriding is very very good, because as they explain its an alloy-like process that actually changes the steel to a considerable depth. So the gun part now has an ultra-hard wearing skin-layer, probably harder than high-speed tool steel, but the metal underneath in the "meat" still has the ductility and tensile strength desired. Because generally you can get extremely "hard" but brittle, or "strong" but softer. So a "get both" exactly where you want them, is an ideal solution. But, all finishes have pros & cons or are just "different" and there's no one ideal perfect one that covers every need.

[@lohikarhu734]

Jonathan mentioned the heat issue with the nitriding at 1055 F... i wondered about that temperature having an effect on tempering of critical parts, especially action parts.... 568 C ? Comments?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Good post. Flat springs and coil springs and tiny parts are best left out. Actions, barrels and major components are fine. If you send something in to Nitrera and they feel it best to leave out they'll let you know.

[@My-Nickel]

Thank you sir 🙏

[@armedfarm3429]

I would rather have a nitrated rifle than a blued rifle. It's looks better, darker & goes with the wood better. Nothing is better looking than a nitrated lever action rifle with walnut for contrast.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for the note and validation - it's tops.

[@MegaBait1616]

Good video ....

[@Tomas-qe2cl]

Nice lab

[@wipperwil]

I thought you said the video would end with your reassembling the Winchester. Hope you’ve got a video to show the final product. I’ll scour your feed.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I think I filmed an "after" video - not sure it shows reassembly though.

[@terrylabiche7772]

The 98 that Corlanes built for me , has this nitride finish . Nitrera is top notch , and the guys are the best ! 🇨🇦

[@paulsimmons5726]

Mike, this company has some amazing services. Your rifle looks like it should be able to take a major worldwide walk-about. I have a New Haven M70/30-06 Classic Sporter that’s showing the results of actually being hunted with over the years with no TLC afterwards. I may need to look into this situation after Christmas. Thanks for posting, take care and be well!

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Great idea - your M70 would be better than new IMHO. All the best to you!

[@BryceKimball7.3]

Is that an older Winchester? I have always wanted to buy one that was older and beat up and get it refinished with nitride. One other finish I think you should look into is the DLC/Ionbond type finishes. As far as I know, that’s what my Glock 19x slide is finished with in tan, and it’s still in brand new shape after countless holster/unholsterings, and carrying everyday for over 6 months. I knew it was going to be good, but this finish is the finest I’ve ever used. Awesome video you have here, best video going over nitriding on KZbin! I think you should keep doing these, maybe find other companies doing one off/custom stuff in the firearms industry.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thank you and the Glock finish must be fantastic - I'll learn more.

[@franciskowalsky7574]

Nice video.

[@miked8227]

What would the process cost for my model 70 .270 ?

[@tireballastserviceofflorid7771]

I do a lot of KG industries Gun Kote. The 1600 is as good as it gets. Anyway I like it for my hunting guns. And I use it to reduce wear in the receiver. I simply clean the nitride and coat it. Same as with anodized aluminum. Get the best of both worlds. And in my experience it bonds beautifully if properly cleaned.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

👍

[@bs2951]

How do you protect the bore during the dipping,?. And how high is the Temperature,And will the heat change the metal strength?.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Plugs isolate the bore - same as for bluing; springs and small parts that are usually not blued are left out. Best is to nitride the parts that would ordinarily be blued - such as the action, major components and barrel.

[@bs2951]

And what is the temperature of the nitride bath ?.

[@aarronricheson3882]

Would post 64 Winchester model 94 stintered steel receivers be a candidate for this process?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I saw a Model 94 - looked and even sounded better.

[@boostimalaka1]

Brownells Oxynate 84 was well suited for that finish that regular cold blue wouldn’t work. I know the local gunsmith was pleased with a few model 94 rifles he worked on using that solution.

[@bobducharme4809]

Do you plug the ID of the barrel?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

No.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

No - stays sharp and clear and not filled

[@davidgendron1953]

That is awesome Mike! Thanks you for taking the time to do a video on the process of a « finish » that I would have not known about really!! All the best

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for being here and the good words.

[@hvymax]

Don't you need an FFL to process serialized Receivers?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Thanks for your question. Please check with the authorities - probably there are different laws in various places.

[@chipsterb4946]

So you can put black oxide (rust blueing) on top of a nitride finish? That has me confused because I thought the nitriding would prevent oxidation.

[@andrew32155]

Not at 800°F + it won't.

[@Dr.KennethNoisewater]

How deep is the finish penetration usually?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I'm not sure. I think it may depend on characteristics of the steel. Please ask Nitrera.

[@chrissinclair4442]

I don't understand why anyone has a barrel that isn't nitride finished. Especially a stainless steel that is nitride finished, and of course the receiver where there are moving parts. I want to learn more about coating a nitride finished gun such as making the outside coyote brown for further protection.

[@gusloader123]

Interesting video. Well done tour and reporting/hosting by Mike. {[ I'm guessing but, I don't imagine this is a "budget friendly" procedure. Would the phrase "If you have to ask the price,,,, you probably can't afford it" be appropriate here?]}

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I think each job varies depending on what needs to be done. Please check with them - I don't think it's too bad.

[@gusloader123]

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Okay. Thanks for the reply.

[@chrisgabbert658]

How long to see it, back together again? 😊 the new video 👍.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hoping for this week : )

[@chrisgabbert658]

@ you have to do much with the wood , just a good cleaning?

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Titanium nitride is the superior coating. It's twice as durable as black nitride

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

You're ahead of me : )

[@davidgoldberg]

Is the company in BC? If so, how do we send firearms there?

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Hi - I'll ask Jonathan to post details on the Nitrera site - I'm not sure and it differs country to country.

[@robcampbell-id9hl]

As far as I know this is what Smith & Wesson use on their AR 15s

[@MChristianson-o5l]

If i ever need to fall asleep quickly, ill pull this up😢

[@MikeGuadango]

Pretty luck to have them in the lower mainland

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

For sure

[@Morinehtur]

🇺🇸

[@DinoNucci]

PizzA

[@JohnHill-k6p]

Nice video. I’m 70. I have guns in my collection that are 150+ years old and I have some that I bought last week. I get why there’s all these different finishes. Everybody’s looking for the holy Grail. If you’re looking for ease of taking care of it and Not rusting not showing where marks by stainless steel. As far as all the other finishes in my opinion, they’re worthless. It’s just something to get you and I or try to get you and I to spend more money on something. I have several quotes with the colt royal blue Finish that I have had for decades have carried and used for decades and still look better than 90% of these so-called wonder coatings for guns. If you’re not going to take care of your gun, if you don’t know how to take care of your gun well then like I said stick with stainless steel All the different earth, tones, and greens and everything else pink and purple that’s just to get you to spend more money. Look at the military they use a matte black on their issue weapons. Stainless steel and a really good blue finish is all you need again just my opinion. But why would you take these guys opinion over my opinion? You don’t know either one of us think about it.

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

Good post; thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sounds like you have a very fine collection. All the best!

[@LeeEn-gd4hg]

This process is not suitable for all gun parts. Due to high temperatures, the hardness and therefore the strength of the parts may decrease.

[@michaelatkin9649]

Wow, youve got really dark hair for your age. Everyone ive seen at your age have a bit of grey in your hair. Whats your secret?

[@michaelatkin9649]

Very dull video

[@doranmaxwell1755]

No... there is no way I would do that to a gun. I have learned to nickel plate and have found a place that will allow me to polish a gun and then do their excellent blue job on it I like my guns to look factory shiny or ... on mil surp Parkerized which is the only non shiny coat I like. I do not like painted matt finish.

[@wonkachocolates6133]

Boring interview….

[@UnitedStatesOfGuns]

I guess it could be - on the other hand the information is excellent. Anyway, all the best to you.