Universal Backplate all you need to know

[@johnt3979]

Switched of our old (20 years?) Lifestyle ACL Central Heating Controller and when switched on it wouldn't work! Thanks for posting this clear and concise video! Now I know what to do to fix this! Replace it.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi 3979, thank you for comment and glad you upgraded OK. Far too many systems have very old controls which make BIGGER bills, shame really. take care George staszak 😍👍

[@blitz21]

Thanks for the video. My programmer went wrong last night after 21 years. I've just took it off to prep for a new one but thought I'd hoover all the backplate and tap the programmer gently, you never know, it's been in the same place for a long time. It's now working fine. I will get a spare next couple of days.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi BLITz, thanks for your comment, what a result just shows how long a control works for, I assume the same make coz you didn't mention the make. tale care George Staszak😀

[@blitz21]

@@mrcombiBedford Sorry George, yes it's a Drayton lifestyle LP722. They don't make em like they used to lol. Thanks again.

[@mrcombiBedford]

@@blitz21 Could have guessed only Danfoss Drayton and Honeywell make products that last. Happy Easter, George

[@Jtslugshipo]

Love the video very helpful, I've never worked on a domestic system before, my personal drayton system is about 20 years old and calling for heat even if the programmer is in the off position

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi JT, thanks for asking, assuming everything has been tested and OK, then time to replace and go for RF, have a look at my two Vids on it. 🤩👍

[@roger4880]

Brillant! I called Drayton and Honeywell, they could not answer what you did in 6 minutes. Thanks!

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Roger, thanks for info, must put my prices up Ha Ha, glad to help👌

[@Noaxe_Tegrinde]

Thank you; VERY useful & presented very clearly.👍 I'm 78yrs & moving from a Potterton E2000 (I installed 1982/3 with rest of house systems!!) None of my original kit failed as the newer stuff appears to do. Y plan valve, programmer & roomstat all lasted 40yrs- All I had to do was replace the pump once, replace boiler thermocouple once and replace the battery in the EP2000 once!👍 The clever old business model of planned obsolescence raises its ugly head....but at least it creates jobs & keeps the land filled!! I'm still trying to discover if I need separate junction/terminal blocks for Neutral and Earths in a new Drayton LP112 or 41 programmer as there's not the space or block terminals for these in the new Draytons compared with the old potterton EP2000. 🤢 Update: discovered that you DO need a 'Wiring centre' which was built in with the good 'ole reliable Potterton EP2000. People seem to favour the Salus wiring centre as cheaper and with larger terminal capacity than some and cheaper than the Honeywell 'Home' unit.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Dear Noacks, I remember installing lot and lots of EP2000's very good programmer but as you say no room for all the cables, do what I did was, get a wiring centre from Danfoss or Drayton then just link the L N E and HW ON + CH ON to the EP2000 or ANY programmer which was too small for all the wires, especially the Honeywell ST699 (excellent square programmer no room for all the wires) All the best, George Staszak 👍

[@richard1342]

Excellent programme. Question; can you place a HIVE receiver onto where the Drayton controller was, as the HIVE uses the same base plate?

[@all4heatinggaslimited40]

Thank you for uploading the videos and you have explained it clearly.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Thanks for the thanks, just working on Honeywell Home Centre, should be another week or so, george

[@rickhoyle671]

Thank you so much for such a clear explanation.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Rick, Glad to help and thanks for the kind review, regards, George 🤩👍

[@chohanchohan8208]

Well I never Learn something new everyday - thanking you from PlumbGuru

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Chohan, glad the vid is useful, a lot of installers don't know this hack. take care George Staszak

[@KinShum]

Brilliant video, thanks very much.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Kim, many thanks for the kind words, we love that, just finishing a Drayton video, hope you like that as well, take care, George staszak 🤩👍

[@chrishull1402]

Hi George, I am replacing my EPH T27 - RFI, which has just failed, to the new Ember enabled R27-RF. The old one was an 8 pin universal plate, with terminals, 1 (live) 4 & 7 bridged, the new one is the std 6 pin. Is there a simple swap, from one plate to the other? Many thanks Chris

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Chris, thanks for asking, yes this will be difficult but not impossible, 1st take fotos of old and new backplate. Make a drawing of each wire colour start from left N then Live then 1 2 3 4 trace where each goes take lots of FOTOs! repeat each wire. Any wires between 1-4 that are BLUE put a yellow or black tape to show voltage. Hope that helps. 👍

[@marcinpietrzak1824]

I have problem with replacing old da food room thermostat. I have 3 wires like u on video, but new one require 4 wires and is not working :(

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Marcin, Thanks for asking, this happens a lot, no problem, the new programmer needs power L+N also C + SW.L, the best and cheapest way to to install and lowest running cost is to go RF, see my two vids with Drayton, either 901 or 902 (2 channels) To go Smart is good but more complicated to install (NOT DiY) and cost a LOT more money, all the best, George Staszak 🤩👍

[@CMac78811]

Thank you for making this.

[@mrcombiBedford]

No problem, glad you enjoyed it, regards, George staszak

[@asw140461]

OK million $ question, where can i Purchase a multin back plate like this - searching for ages and they seem to be like rockinghorse do do!

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Andy, they come with each room stat or programmer not sold separately because it's not enclosed thus not safe. Know you know, all the best, George S. 👍

[@mozza0508]

I have a Drayton lp522 with a wireless thermostat. I want to upgrade to the Drayton wiser for smart functionality. I believe they use the same backplate. Is it a case of just swapping the units as use the same backplate. In terms of disabling the wireless thermostat will it work if I just disconnect the receiver from power? Thanks for any help

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi, thanks for asking, First take fotos of the back plate and the wiring centre and learn where EVERY wire goes from to. Look at what the new B'plate connections and compare. Don't rush take your time is always best, if you get stuck Drayton has lots of VIDs. use this link www.youtube.com/@Draytonheating all the best. George Staszak 😀👍

[@KhalidweNordin-sp8wh]

The bit you pulled off in thos video has popped off how do i reconnect it back on

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Khalidwe, don't know which wires you are asking about, can you foto me to [e-mail]

[@andruskyg.8836]

I have a Drayton Wiser hub that I would like to change with a Hive V3 ( both single channel). Can i keep the actual wiring’ ( from the drayton wiser)on the backplate( both backplates look the same) and put the hive hub on ? ( N L 1 3 and earth/ground i own a vokera 30c combi boiler) Thank you

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi thanks for asking, they use the same Uni backplate all you need is to check the Drayton T1 is the same path as the Hive then change if necessary repeat this on every wire, that's how I do rewiring. Always check and recheck before switching ON. hope that helps, George 👍

[@millsey123]

Any help on if you have a honeywell wireless relay box fitted already and want to switch to a drayton wiser system. I don't have a industry standard back plate as someone has fitted the honeywell relay box. Only using it for CH.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Millsey 123, It doesn't matter about the back plate only the wires, all receivers (relay box) have a N - L then 123 or ABC (C NC NO) all to is take a photo remove follow Wiser info which wire goes where. Drayton Wiser is brilliant I love it, Do the job in the week when techno. are at work. enjoy. George Staszak 😃

[@TCSC47]

Thanks. Very helpful.

[@mrcombiBedford]

Dear Tom, thanks you very much for commenting the video, take care, George Staszak 🤩👍

[@bigmeltie1]

Anyone know where I can buy a backplate? Installer cracked mine 😞

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi GBM, try eBay and Facebook marker, they fir room state, receivers and programmers that's why they are called universal all the firms have them, regards, George staszak

[@davidadiwego4608]

My Danfoss HW/CH controller is located in a quite awkward position (low in airing cupboard) which makes it difficult for me to bend down to and see it. I like to put HW on as and when I need it, so I need to regularly access the controller. I want to relocate the controller a few feet outside the cupboard to a much more convenient position. Before anyone asks, no, me hiring a professional to do the job is not an option due to cost. Basically, I need to (safely) extend the wiring (making sure each channel wire-extension goes to the right place in the controller, yes? What's the proper stuff (wire and connectors) I need for the job....Anybody?

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi David, thanks for asking, controls wiring is not for DIY because you are messing with 230vAC which is dangerous. Please trying find someone who has a certificate of attending a course, shop around there not all expensive maybe pay by instalments. I have seen your installation too many times, (I used to charge £200 to rewire now its £300+) 1st power OFF to remove the cover take lots of fotos which terminal has which colour wire, do the same with any junction boxes, Start with the easiest PUMP wire where does that go? Make a drawing, Cylinder / room stats do the same, Look at my VIDs on wiring a room stat Y / S Plans, have the book or get the APP. Big danger is BLUE neutral wire are they being used with voltage, if so that MUST be rewired, not allowed and dangerous. If the programmer is over 8 years consider 2 channel RF, see my VID. that is easy and will save you money more controllable HW & CH.good luck, George Staszak 😀👍

[@davidadiwego4608]

@@mrcombiBedford I know how and why to cut the power. never mind

[@mrcombiBedford]

@@davidadiwego4608 No problem👍

[@mohammednazir8307]

Were u based please

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Mo, we have a small office in Bedford

[@mohammednazir8307]

@@mrcombiBedford ah little far for me im in Manchester. Will try viva training down Halifax. Keep up the good work 👌

[@mrcombiBedford]

@@mohammednazir8307 Thanks for asking, We don't do any training have a look, www.mrcombi.com all the best, George👍

[@train4905]

Exellent

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Stephen, thanks for liking, on the course most did not realise this hack, regards george 😄

[@andrewk3315]

well done

[@mrcombiBedford]

Hi Andrew, thanks for liking, I am very surprised how popular it is, glad you enjoyed it.😃

[@smartgorilla]

genius. i want to go from a honeywell system to a drayton wiser system. surely its not rocket science

[@mrcombiBedford]

No it's not, yesterday at PHEX I met James who does all the Drayton videos, because I am making a Vid. on this very subject, as lots are asking also too many ROOM stats are in halls? subscribe notify to get the new Vid. next week should be done, take care, George Staszak 👍

[@smartgorilla]

@@mrcombiBedford damn your close to me. My boiler man didn't want to put it in for me and just said Honeywell normal. That's all he knows... I see it's on offer at the moment and just go buy it. Does it screw up the boiler or not? I am thinking not.

[@mrcombiBedford]

For too many installers wiring is difficult, not their fault I try and help, thanks for comment, George @@smartgorilla

[@smartgorilla]

@@mrcombiBedford they literally put the honey one in and surely you just put in wiser. From what I see it's 5 cables...

[@mrcombiBedford]

Depends which product some only need two COM and SW.L which I like best@@smartgorilla