University of Idaho Students Murdered | Nov. 23 Update

The Moscow Police Department is holding a press conference to update the media about the murder investigation of 4 University of Idaho students.

[@dreamerthinker5956]

I believe that every high school and college should now teach personal security and social media management. Taking photos and making films inside a place of residence, as well as time-stamping of images/videos, is risky. Personal Risk Management in a world with so much exposure and so little privacy is essential now.

[@zodlord5669]

Congrats to captain hindsight

[@BettyHorrid]

Unfortunately they only teach stuff that isn't used in life like money management

[@Dusk_48]

@@zodlord5669 unnecessary

[@ShainAndrews]

I taught my kids to not kill. You're welcome. Now you can enjoy your social media.

[@melaniemmml2654]

What does this have to do with this case?

[@katbedbury389]

You all did a fantastic job addressing the community. Thank you to all of the law enforcement officers.

[@deborahd7321]

Even though I live in Eastern Australia, I feel for these poor kids, beautiful, energetic, learning souls who wanted to better themselves through University. To the families and friends of those young people left behind, bless you all, and may we as all people, bring you justice and some peace. I would like to know if LE have searched up high, the roof, the eaves, the manhole, the tree holes and tree forks even. That knife has to be somewhere, that is my gift to you. Even light shades any little ceiling and roof nook and niche. Good luck.

[@davidb2206]

There won't be any justice. Idaho does not carry out the death penalty, though it is "on the books" for more than 20 years. The killer knows this. The knife is long gone. Are you kidding? Probably dropped into the nearby river the same Sunday morning. It will likely NEVER be found and it is ridiculous to pin any hopes on it as evidence at all.

[@heatherbowlan1961]

They could very well be one of our children , and I feel so bad for these dear heartbroken parents ,may our Lord Bless them with peace , also the Holy Spirit ! I can’t imagine how THAY feel ,when I try I need to stop it’s just to painful !

[@heatherbowlan1961]

God Bless you Deborah and your family ,may he keep you all safe ,healthy, and happy ! In beautiful Australia , I’m from a beautiful Island in CANADA , called Prince Edward Island , have you ever herd of Anne of Green Gables ?

[@richardernsberger5692]

Of course the knife is "somewhere." The killer probably took it with him and then disposed of it....anywhere.

[@poetsdreamsatc]

@@heatherbowlan1961 Heather this is exactly what I feel. This could be my kids. Your kids. My coworkers kids. It is so heartbreaking. I pray for the victims and their families. This world has gotten so out of hand that I do worry for my childrens’ futures.

[@alliecat4176]

This world is in a sad state nowadays. These poor, beautiful, young adults killed in their prime! My heart aches for their families, who are forever changed. Hope they catch whoever did this!

[@pamelaelizabethl2847]

I really feel for these police. You can literally see the concern in their faces. It looks as though they haven’t slept in awhile. Prayers to them.

[@kayleslie4843]

I feel for the families of these kids. As a parent I can't begin to phantom what they're going through. Prayers

[@ShainAndrews]

Projection. The police give zero fucks about the constituents. They are tired because for many of them this is the first time they have to work for eight hours straight.

[@patricias5122]

Yes, the hatred should be directed at the killer, not the policemen and women who are not with their families on Thanksgiving, who are working around the clock desperate to find a killer.

[@kimoandrews5802]

@@patricias5122 Nobody hates the cops. Anybody with a high profile job is going to get questioned about what they are doing.

[@Q-ZOO]

These cops are taking this too personal and want to be the town hero by solving it themselves. This is a big mistake!! They should come forward with what they know and watch the public unlock the much needed break in the case.

[@michelemurphy3541]

Godspeed to Law Enforcement. You are doing excellent work and while I don’t live in Moscow Idaho, I very much value the hundreds of hours you are putting in-I can see how much you care about these kids and the entire community. My heartfelt condolences to the family & friends of those murdered.

[@shoachiwarrior]

It's tough because we all want to know, but law enforcement can't jeopardize the investigation, especially if you want justice and to catch the bad guy. Not letting the bad guy know what you know. I pray that God will lead them and help them to find justice. May the families and all those effected find away to move through this and to not let evil prevail!

[@rebeccabrown510]

Amen

[@APolat-tz8tl]

I hope you’re right, because on Court TV all professional investigators agreed on that the law enforcement actually doesn’t have anything major in their hands. That is why they keep asking the ppl for tips, home or vehicle camera recordings etc. But I truly hope you’re right.

[@chadjohnson6718]

Can you explain how telling the public what you know helps the suspect? I hear people say this a lot but it makes no sense tbh. The public can help in most cases. If they have a description of the perp releasing it can only help. If they are fairly sure they know who it is saying they have a prime suspect also can ease the public and slow down the fake tips.

[@nahyanbindiab3191]

@@chadjohnson6718so they can catch the suspect in a lie they need to know things only the killer would know

[@helphelp7562]

Not really, they just need to make sure they can coverup all the illegal stuff their doing.

[@jlkitz1775]

Strength & encouragement to the officers involved. The public is too used to instant info - that's not real life, it's not a T.V. show 😐 Comfort & peace to the victims' loved ones ❤️

[@kimoandrews5802]

One of the victim’s families went in cnn and they are frustrated with the cops.

[@michelelarson6487]

👏👏👏👏

[@michelelarson6487]

JL Kitz…the claps were for your logical thoughts.

[@ellenhood1356]

It's not law and order. It's real life

[@martinprus570]

Unfortunately in 'real life' after this much time history shows its gonna take a long while or maybe never to catch the killer. At this point they definitely need help from the public to break this case!

[@nineangels7572]

Let's simply pray for justice. These families are having funerals instead of a Thanksgiving celebration. The victims were young with their whole lives in front of them. RIP to the four victims.

[@catsj1767]

Justice is skewed. Prayers for peace and acceptance for the families.

[@bobbyp7403]

Whoever did this is definitely going to do it again. That scares the hell out of me

[@freedomofspeech8159]

All of these pathetic pigs would give anyone confidence to do it again.

[@02biddle]

I'm glad they have made it clear for the stupid people that they are not telling us everything and for good reason. The investigation is more important than the public's feelings. I remember when the press conferences were about information the police wanted to get out or specific things they were looking for. Nowadays its about appeasing the press

[@ShainAndrews]

They are hiding something.

[@cherylb2008]

The public is so demanding and has become entitled LE is doing everything they can to solve the case

[@MARKLINMAN1]

Yes, AGREED then DO NOT bother WITH A press conference and KEEP working at this investigation! it is actually getting very embarrassing!

[@kimoandrews5802]

Just like the uvalde police

[@kimoandrews5802]

@@JuliahFL I hope they are just bad at communications and hate the press, but they are like Sherlock holmes.

[@ruthcarter1360]

There's a lot to process! The police have huge task on their hands,and I'm sure they are following up on leads 24hrs a day, as they said, evidence, photos and leads! They can't jepodize the investigation by releasing too much info and who they're focusing on because it could spook the perpetrator/s. RIP to those students who were murdered, hope they get justice ⚖️

[@ShainAndrews]

The internet already solved it.

[@judithtaggart7146]

Spot on. I believe the pressure on these various agencies, is intense. They seem to be very involved with doing it right not fast. I have confidence in them.

[@davidwright9524]

@@ShainAndrews an you believe that?

[@automatoncollectives7237]

I love 80s slasher films.

[@automatoncollectives7237]

Ruth, way to state the obvious.

[@Dr4gonDr0p]

I’m surprised they didn’t include lock your doors at all times. Have security cameras and don’t give anyone the code for your entrance door. The tips they gave these girls were already doing. I understand this town was not prepared for this type of attack. If you have a panic button on your car, keep your car keys by your bed so you can activate the alarm and let some of your neighbours know if they hear it going off non-stop, something is wrong.

[@annieoops6243]

The car keys is a great idea!!

[@LoriWallis]

@Michele, That is gr8 info & I'm passing it on. TYSM

[@bobbyboi8820]

Idaho has had serial murderers before (Duncan, Cowboy Mike, Creech, etc.) , keep in mind we have had immense growth in the last decade. Lots of new people here means higher crime, people moved here with a small town mindset but they’re finding out that’s not the case anymore, thinking Idaho is safe and small town still is your first mistake. Times are changing

[@joes6108]

That's probably because the killer or killers were already in the house. The roommates are definitely involved in my opinion and announcing that they were ruled out as suspects is a tactic used to make them let down their guard a little.

[@m.s.3798]

Prayers and love to the families of these kids, and to all the students on the campus.

[@Melmelba]

I wonder if two of the four were followed home; the first two? Since two more arrived home close afterwards they were seen, so were included in the killing. The two that made it out alive returned home before the four who were killed, so guessing whoever did this didn’t know there were two more already in the house. This came to mind while listening to this report.

[@0rilization]

The skinned dog just weeks before the stabbings is a huge red flag. What is wrong with this town? Also, nearby is a taxidermy shop with skinned and stuffed animals for sale. Maybe they should ask that guy a few questions.

[@vestagirl8484]

They should just replay the previous press conferences. Useless.

[@kathyhill8561]

This is such a grief for these kids and the families, the University, the town of Moscow, and all of Idaho.

[@rainyskye4787]

This is horrendous for the families, law enforcement, community, and all others affected across the nation. Patience is something hard to exercise due to the amount of evil that is still lurking around free. We have all got to trust the process and know they know their jobs very well and want this case solved just as badly. This beast will be caught. Prayers for the families as they endure Thanksgiving without their children 🤍

[@richardernsberger5692]

Many cases take weeks to solve, sometimes months, sometimes years. The public needs to relax.

[@Dr4gonDr0p]

@@richardernsberger5692 hard to relax knowing the murderer on the loose though.

[@gabrielabaechler1512]

I am just saying. It is nice to state you guys are more than 30 fbi, idaho police, moscow police…and then..? What do you do with that? Do something! Instead of always stating you are #### blah blah blah. Its been 1 week and a half and still asking for help?!

[@vivianlunsford4052]

I'm sure those Families are not going to have I qqq a q Assad

[@wayupnorth9420]

This State Trooper Col.,the best and most needed media release yet! Great job Sir!

[@Hope-xl3qm]

With the pictures they are showing of the house from the back and side, I can now understand the reason the two other roommates didn’t wake up. They were staying in a part of the house that’s adjacent and more like an addition to the other part I was picturing it like a 3 story house, but it’s not

[@pocketlinttreasures33]

Same. Once I saw the side profil of the house and where their rooms were, it all made sense as to how they were missed.

[@cindyholloway7441]

Being it’s Fall break and the majority of these students are now home, it’s going to be tough locating the perp. Any injuries they obtained will be healed over by the time they return to campus. If Kaylee did have a stalker, I doubt she knew who it was or LE would have questioned them already. I feel for these cops and investigators. I have a feeling this isn’t going to be a cut and dry investigation to solve. They are giving up their Thanksgiving to help solve this tragedy. God, give the families of these kids grace, peace, strength and compassion like only you can.

[@deborl7278]

Amen

[@nickm5807]

FBI usually solves everything. These people were heavy into Face Book Instagram. FBI just needs a bit more time.

[@shadfletcher6815]

The person who committed this crime is no longer in idaho,and given the amount of time that has went by,they should be in contact with law enforcement in neighboring states,I have yet to hear any mention of that...

[@the3js842]

As far as moving forward these kids need to be taught that not everything needs to be on social media and furthermore lock their doors when they come home at night do a check of the house before you retire for bed to ensure windows are shut doors are locked.

[@rickcooley837]

Easier said than done

[@elainehenning1387]

@@rickcooley837 it comes down to be safe or be sorry. Make a house rule to be safe. A simple white board by door with each person marked in or out and doors locked.

[@Dr4gonDr0p]

Their postings on social media could also be valuable clues.

[@gennyjustdownthelane8967]

These folks are under a lot of pressure to solve this crime. I’m praying for these families and these four souls. Tragic and incredibly heartbreaking.

[@DarkRuins]

when the officer says "youre going to have to trust us, we are not going to release WHY we think it was targetted" im pretty sure that means something different was done to one of the bodies. symbols, carvings, posings of the body could be the key, which would profoundly change the theories being circulated in the public.

[@dreamerthinker5956]

It was a party house. That means comings/goings all hours of the night. Sounds can come from common areas or private rooms and seem like nothing. Party houses where I went to college were nearly 24/7. Of all the places, this would be one where sounds wouldn't register much. Initially, I thought this was odd, too. But thinking back on college...

[@mattmarzula]

@Scarlett You think there'd be a sound? What if no one is there to hear it? If a house full of kids who've been gallivanting around town for over six hours drinking is all passed out and they're stabbed in the lungs and slashed across the throat with their mouths cupped and being held down (I imagine) you wouldn't hear anything from floor to floor much less next door. The mess of the scene actually makes it harder to process. It's likely they'll find it was someone they invited in or someone that followed them back. However, it's possible that someone was already there lying in wait. Especially if they were targeted with no forced entry.

[@hollitrue8813]

@Scarlett my theory is that the killer locked the bedroom doors behind him/her/them. The victims and survivors social media videos and images show that the bedroom doors had turn-locks on the interiors of the rooms. This is also shown in the images of the house from Zillow and the rental company. If they survivors continually knocked on the door(s) of the victim’s and couldn’t get a response from them, it would make sense that they called friends over first- not seeing anything yet. It’s possible that they assumed someone was unconscious, then decided to call 911. Again, this is just a theory, but to me, it makes the most sense that they didn’t realize what had taken place behind the closed/locked door - at that time.

[@vestagirl8484]

@@hollitrue8813 I agree! Locked doors - in a normal situation- mean “I want some privacy - do not disturb”.

[@gigic4491]

I agree that the 2 surviving roommates could possibly not have heard the killings taking place, given the totality of the evidence released so far. But one thing I keep coming back to is all the blood. If it was seeping out of the foundation of the house, was it not also seeping down into the first level of the house where the roommates were? And also with a dog in the house you would think he would've tracked blood or alerted the 2 survivors that something was amiss. I don't think they committed the crime themselves, but am suspicious about their involvement or think the roommates at least know more than what the police have released. I trust that law enforcement does know a whole lot more than what they are publicly stating, it's chess not checkers.

[@blueshootingstar6155]

I understand why they are keeping critical information to themselves. The families are going to the media and sharing all the information they’re learning from the case.

[@TJones-gj2fi]

Unfortunately nothing new, which is disappointing, scary that we are 9 days in and the pressers not offering up any kind of reassurance’s or new information. Praying this does not become a cold case for the sake of the families. May their loved ones R.I.P

[@edithtierce8209]

Tellinf the public exactly what information they have is unnecessary… Your feelings on a situation you aren’t actually involved in personally is not important! Not jeopardizing the case or tipping off the person who murdered these kids is what is important. The fact you think if we aren’t being given every ounce of info, nothing could possibly be going on is incredibly naive and self centered. Sadly…..

[@CatswithGuns1]

@@edithtierce8209 Did this person say that his feelings mattered at all ?? he just stated an opinion and everyone here has the right to give their opinions regardless on how it makes you or other people feel. You don’t have to agree but you also don’t need to go around scolding like the group of you that keep doing that all over this platform. Everyone has an opinion regardless of what you think, Many people here wish the mad person who did this was caught! Ffs tone your 💩 down. Nobody needs to be attacked for wishing we knew more!

[@dollywilson3395]

Yep and they said at the start that they were going to share some new information. Outside of the number of various types of evidence collections that they took that was it, I guess.

[@kskeel1124]

@@dollywilson3395 You are correct... No new info the cops have obviously got nothing lol the killer is long gone I know I would be...

[@troecurov3]

Я уверен, эти люди найдут виновников этого чудовищного убийства. Умные трезвые люди. Профессионалы. Он попадется. Обязательно попадется. Это животное убившее четыре молодых человека не мог не наследить. RIP , young beautiful people.

[@journeytoamiracle]

I’m commending this force of professionals on the case for being as tight lipped as they have been-the media and all of these amateur wanna be crime solvers are gonna lose their minds over not being front and center with a seat at the table, it’s awesome!!! The reason so many other cases have been botched is because the DA and law enforcement community haven’t stayed silent or kept information confidential. Proud to be from Idaho!!!

[@kimoandrews5802]

They don’t know anything.

[@journeytoamiracle]

@@kimoandrews5802 oh you silly keyboard warrior-don’t hesitate to offer up your strong skill set to the case, I mean you must feel you have more to offer or you’d be quiet, right?!

[@lloydchristmas1086]

They have already released too much info.

[@hazeli1313]

@@kimoandrews5802 no, the public doesn't need to know the details. It would hurt the case if they did. The public knows what they need to know right now, and they'll know more when police deem it appropriate to share the information.

[@hazeli1313]

@@kimoandrews5802 I disagree. We know what we need to know. Anything else could hurt the case.

[@mt-nv4jd]

It would be fine with me if the investigators made their statements and closed the meeting with no questions from the talking heads.

[@nanajoyceful]

I really loved the sincere, emotional humanity of our City Supervisor, Tyler Palmer! That means so much!! Thank you!!❤😭

[@lenaborman6693]

❤that’s actually incredible!!! Thanks for everyone involved in helping solve this case 😢😊

[@TheMarsmares]

Sometimes the answer is slow in coming. These are professionals doing absolutely all that can be done. Back the blue!

[@emilybaldwin3523]

If this was premeditated do you think the killer planned to do this right before Thanksgiving Break? The reason I ask is that if a student did do it he or she could easily leave town, return home for Thanksgiving Break, and I assume he or she still has the weapon or clothes they were wearing which they could easily discard far, far away.

[@lighttheway5088]

Good point

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

And yes, they could never return and it wouldn't flag anyone. The reason no one heard could've been from the kids wearing ear pods and not hearing, many people do this all the time. Plus they're used to it being active and loud there it seems. Not sure how they came home from partying and fell asleep right away though, no way imo. This conference just made me engaged. 37:37 The student asked how to prevent being targeted and was blown off totally. Shameful!!!

[@Outdoorlinda]

Good point

[@KS-hi8vi]

The police cldnt possibly know if it was targeted. They just don’t want to scare the Community. They want those students back on campus.

[@Outdoorlinda]

@@KS-hi8vi Your right ....

[@stevenbosco6804]

After hearing this update. looks like 4 new cold cases coming up.

[@Rainbows_22]

Be patient. They will solve this. Can you imagine all the dna samples that have to be checked from inside the house? 4 thousand pictures to look at ? I feel like it will be solved. They know a lot but can’t tell it. When they arrest someone they need the charges to stick.

[@Lanijah2]

This gave us absolutely nothing new or nothing we do not know already. I also just do not understand how there was a young couple that probably was in the bed together and nobody screamed or nobody heard anything! I hope they find justice for these families! I am sending my condolences to each and everyone is hurt and touched by this sad & senseless crime!! 🙏🏼

[@Jaq365]

Chyna, I agree that something about this case of murdering 4 people in a house of 6 doesn't add up somehow. Two of the kids had defensive wounds, so I'm guessing they were the boyfriend/girlfriend. Perhaps the killer was using NVG's, and/or knew the interior layout of the house, who slept where, etc. How is it that two of them were not injured? Were the bedrooms all far-flung, or where those two slept on the other side of the house?

[@BSOG3]

They were all drunk.

[@Missmarple007]

@@BSOG3 Yes but a paper cut is painful. I think that would wake u up. Even drunk.

[@goldie8eight]

Maybe the perpetrator drugged them in a night cap making it easier to commit this horrific nightmare.

[@katpleroux7756]

They are in college with a house full of people in and out and parties..It doesn’t matter if we don’t understand how yet It matters that the investigation is on going and they need to stop having to do these stupid press conferences with no new info

[@danasmith1899]

I would hazard a guess they're watching somebody 24 hours at this point until they can collect the right evidence

[@roscoenowlin4561]

The rat that did that to a dog should go to prsion five years

[@CP2468]

Locked up for life imo

[@Skier10]

He should be skinned too

[@willaknotts1298]

In the movies the cops always watch the watchers. Wonder if the cops are observing who attends the cops updates and the funeral guests especially for kaylen when she is buried. These psychopaths love to observe their work along with holding on to their weapon of choice.

[@lloydchristmas1086]

yes they will be undercover at the vigil for sure

[@thelexicon7294]

10000% they are, especially with behaviorists working the case. It's criminology 101 to keep a close eye on anyone who inserts themselves into the case, goes back to the scene or attends vigils to see the results of their "labor". I have zero doubt it many gatheringe will be filmed as well, though perhaps covertly.

[@forever1909]

This guy is a high risk of repeating

[@audreydaleski1067]

So, in the past five years how many dogs have been reported as skinned and mutilated? Any?

[@Rainbows_22]

If they haven’t caught whoever did that yet. Imagine how long this will take

[@grated6972]

The Landlord or if Property Managers, I have not heard if they have been interviewed and if they are aware of any possible threats rumors or problems the students may have or possibly heard about.

[@ellenhood1356]

I love the way he explained the steps of investigating a crime scene 👍

[@sandindamae.iwantmetowin5652]

This is very sad. I can really feel the pain regarding this tragedy thoughI am thousands of kilometres away from US. I hope that the authorities there find the perpetrators of this evil deed soon. Condolences to all the parents of these young people killed in this unfortunate tragedy.

[@suzeelewis718]

I’m from Merseyside in England and this case has truly played on my mind and upset me. These poor kids!! I can’t even begin to imagine what their families are going through. My deepest condolences to all 💔💐💔

[@SaintsCheat]

The coward watched this and is grinning and patting him/her self on the back knowing they have zero clue. This was very calculated and precise. They know this is not 1960, there are cctv, cell towers, dna , etc . So this was almost like a pro-job hence it’s mind blowing a college kid can do this. Yet that is most likely the case. So sad and just baffling. Tomorrow is gonna be a rough day for 4 families , heart goes out to them as the clown laughs and happily enjoys his Turkey meal with his family and “Omg can u believe those murders??” . Just unreal

[@BSOG3]

I agree....I feel for these families who are tortured by this cowardice and horrific act. On the other hand, imagine being the parents of the killer who eventually will be found out. Their lives will be turned upside down as well. One of those murdered kids was a triplet. I literally can't imagine being in the womb with two of my siblings and one is no longer on this earth. The killer has a filthy soul. Society has to get better or we're all doomed. Like you, I believe it's a college student and am leaning towards the boyfriend of one of the victims. It's too much of a coincidence that the girlfriend allegedly called his phone in the wee hours and her fellow roommate who died also called his phone. Why would the roommate call him?

[@freedomofspeech8159]

What makes you think he/she is a coward? Took four lives for sure and possibly more. Will definitely take more in the future because these worthless pigs aren't catching the killer unless a citizen calls in the exact name so the pigs can say on TV " we got them". Taking four lives is not much of a coward you keyboard warrior.

[@happytrailsgaming]

Anyone with knowledge of todays tech and can utilize the immense information online has the ability to commit a crime without getting caught. With that being said if the person who did this was well versed because of researching then he’d know the best way to get away is to not make it personal.

[@happytrailsgaming]

@@BSOG3 evil like this has always existed… we just have the internet now to make it seem it happens more or worse

[@corlisdavis9292]

I'm so sad for the families. What if it's a Law Student who knows what to do and Not do?

[@AngelRouth]

Deep prayers to all of the family’s 🙏🙏🙏🙏 and respect to all of the Law Enforcement 🙏 This has to be emotionally as well as mentally hard for them as well .

[@GNX157]

Briefing starts at 4:40.

[@JuliahFL]

New Information starts at:

[@justme9794]

Kaylee’s ex-boyfriend is not a suspect but still not ruled out?

[@goldie8eight]

They are saying the victims names repeatedly to humanize them to their perpetrator in hopes the guilt will kick in. . Let’s all pray the guilt will bring this monster to come forward.

[@SC0UT418]

Idk how people are thinking it’s murder suicide when there is no murder weapon.

[@SaintsCheat]

Right? “Ya it was a murder suicide and the knife grew legs and walked away “…

[@Platinumally]

The calls to the boy from both girls was probably one girl from both phones. He wasn’t picking up from her phone so she used her friend’s phone.

[@grated6972]

We've only seen and heard of possible surveillance Video for 2 of the Victims, what possible surveillance video may be available for the other two parties that have not been shown as they made last rounds for the night. The two survivors on the first level it was not stated where they last visited before arriving home at 1:00 AM or who they may have been with. They were home before all the others arrived at 1:45 AM.

[@gnaastiin2963]

Exactly! I just commented about this as well.

[@dreamerthinker5956]

I think it's because LE knows who was targeted. They need to focus the public's attention on that pairing to get the most helpful information.

[@cindywilliams3542]

Wow some of the media ppl are condescending to these law enforcement ppl. Surprised the cops are so patient. We all need to chill and let these ppl do their jobs. Let's hope all these resource find the person who did this. Some homicides are never solved, pray this isn't one of those cases.

[@Yes_Anastasia]

Finally. Someone with a level head.

[@dreamerthinker5956]

I expect LE is much closer than we think but they have go to manage the process effectively. I suspect errors were made initially but that the FBI has helped level up the process (I know people make jokes about the FBI but obviously this improves things). The targeting is obviously absolutely essential to solving this.

[@daryldixon3685]

Media is trash!

[@KS-hi8vi]

Media is there to ask questions.

[@newbooks9858]

Profile estimate of the Idaho Student Killer: A lone white male, muscular, older than most students because he’s ex-military, say 25-30. He may have asked one of the girls who were murdered for a date and got rejected. Cops, you can find him by going through college records; maybe you’d run across him if you checked out gyms in Moscow where he may be a body builder. His major in college could be criminal justice or engineering. He may have been diagnosed with PTSD, cross reference Veteran’s Admin records and college records. If he has a criminal record, it might be for assault as in a bar fight, or maybe some sexual harassment, stalking charges. I’m a clinical forensic psychologist; Dr. Paul Dawson

[@DE-ke2rf]

Less than 2% of the population has served in the military. There are 22.4 million people in the US 25-30 y.o. How sexist of you to think that woman could have not perpetrated these crimes.

[@0rilization]

It's called veterans affairs not veteran's admin that was from1960's verbage man

[@Gmoney00718]

So there’s really no dna evidence that’s come back?

[@NorceCodine]

Dude, it was a professor who was dating Madison Moegen, she was the real target. They're waiting until the university is terminating his tenure because tenure includes the school paying for his legal defense. Why do you think the university president is part of every police briefing, they are coordinating it with the university.

[@Gmoney00718]

@@NorceCodine haven’t heard that yet anywhere

[@svensven8994]

Summary: We are clueless and have no idea how this happened. But let me introduce some more people who also have no idea lol

[@giuglianacamelia217]

I know its not right but I did laugh at this comment 🤣

[@laurens.7510]

Why is there NO REWARD for these four. There should be at least 100k to get some people yakking! Keystone cops are not going to solve this, apparently, without some serious assistance from the public and FBI.

[@SoulCatibur4]

Thank you for the press conference, Horrible audio though....some key parts were poor quality and or hard to hear.

[@harrisonleibovitz5992]

As sad as it is I’m starting to feel like they aren’t going to catch whoever did this. They either have no idea who did it or they can’t prove who did it.

[@laurens.7510]

I guarantee FBI will figure it out after DNA. The person won't be in the data bank. They will get dna from ALL the so called 'cleared' if the suspect isn't in the system.

[@blueshootingstar6155]

What’s very unsettling is the thought of someone sneaking into the house, killing four people and able to sneak out, now they are wandering around like nothing happened.

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

37:37 Student clearly asks how to a target!! Police evade answering or giving precise, exact solutions to use RIGHT NOW, while they're ACTUALLY IN DANGER with a killer on the loose! They could recommend life360 and so many other things! This is negligence at least and malicious at worst. Shameful. They should've had exact action points and solutions for safety, like don't go out drinking & partying, everyone keep a clear head to stay on the look out and stay healthy mentally and emotionally for ourselves and each other. (unless he's worried about business being upset... $$$$???)😠😡 Listen to each other and keep track of everyone's location, have safe words to Txt that mean call police and get me asap etc. Stay away from drugs and seek therapy, free counseling services are here 24/7 and give out the location, phone numbers etc. Be your best for each other. Let's hold each other up strong enough that it lasts even beyond this tragedy, which will build a long lasting confident, strong, healthy, wise and compassionate community, connected to always respond to our neighbor in need. That we strengthen as a community family thru this. Check in and out for classes, activities, and travel including your paths to your parents/ guardians and let's re-take this time going into the holiday seasons to safely build up our relationships, to be more open, honest, listening, repenting, praying, and especially forgiving. Utilizing the available psychological therapy, church resources, educational services, and public servants, to hold each other during this storm, anchored in truth. That the officers will be honest, when it might make us look bad, we'd rather you know the truth. We will keep some secrets and tell some lies to trick the bad guys, but we mean you no harm, and we'll tell you as much as we can. We want justice in court to be served so they're put out of our community for as long as possible, if we say to much their lawyers will use it to file motions in court to dismiss the charges for example and they could go free. So you might be very angry with us until this is solved and for that we are terribly sorry but we're doing this because we love this community and we are committed to protecting your freedoms and your rights, anyone charged also has rights, so please research and consider the legal system to better understand our positions. THAT'S what I would've liked to hear these guys say, something like that. I get so tired of police begging the public for help, yet their interactions with us include them praising each other, repeating old info, holding everything in their vests.... For the trial (which they'll never get by holding everything from us at the point it starts getting cold!!!) Then if years later, holding it all in your vests, a random person finds the remains etc, the police didn't solve it, the random guy did, yet they'll do an hour back patting stage show for TV as if they solved it... Forgetting to mention the massive funds spent, their failure to solve it, which left the public to solve it... With NO CLUES cuz they're in your vest... So the years this person ran free... COULD now equate to the years they'd shorten their SENTENCE, by you sharing what's in your vest, just enough for us... At least! make sense? But they'd be caught and not hurting others because you told us enough that we could actually help you in a partnership instead of being... TALKED AT... during your TV conferences. I hope I made things clear, and I apologize for any wrong, or if anything sounds mean, disrespectful, or bad in any way, I've had no sleep lately and I truly care and hope for justice, truth, better engagement between officers and the public regarding cases and I truly desire communities to be built up stronger and wiser in all things under God thru faith in Jesus name amen. 🙏😔🕯️🕊️❣️✝️📖🪔

[@Martha-LaMexa]

God bless all those working on this investigation. What a huge task they have ahead.

[@1HorseOpenSlay]

So many have been missing and murdered in the inland empire. I wish all these people could get closure and justice. I wish all the murdered could get this level of attention

[@HermitLady]

To me it’s not as much about the victims as it is a newly born serial killer on the loose. Of course I feel horribly for the families, but catching this killer prior to another event means they didn’t have to die in vain. 💔

[@simplykix]

That's taking a lot of time for you to progress in your investigation. Redundant reporting. My heart goes to the family and rest in peace to all the victims.

[@stargirlzx]

so ... basically the new updated info is that there is no updated info

[@stargirlzx]

@@JuliahFL I know they're doing the best they can . Good thing for the outside help . I'm sure their pd is not up to a task of this magnitude

[@JuliahFL]

@@stargirlzx I can agree on that 👍. Xoxo

[@joeallenboxing]

Ok so let's get this straight... They came out on day one saying there was no threat to the community. Today, they are asking for leads... What a big mistake that was. Just think about that folks.

[@BJ-op7xk]

It’s basically the same stuff they’ve said each time! It is scary that they haven’t made any progress, I just feel like they screwed up from the start & it doesn’t matter who they bring in it’s not going to change it. How crazy is it to section off the back area a week later?? It’s like they’re fumbling around!

[@firegirljen]

Totally agree!⬆️⬆️ total fumble job.

[@vanessaallen6034]

I’m watching in Australia I can’t believe no one has be caught. It’s so sad.

[@edithtierce8209]

Us not being told does not mean there is no progress. Why do you think the public being privy to every speck of information is important or wise on their part? Your obsession about being told info when you aren’t an investigator who will solve this case is bizarre.

[@craighancock3592]

Maybe the law agencies have major clues, and do not want to show their hand? Maybe just maybe 🙏

[@firegirljen]

@@edithtierce8209 huh? He’s not obsessed. He’s 100 correct. They have fumbled this case, only cordoning off a week later or looking at tire tracks a week later is obscene and most likely have jeopardized this entire investigation.

[@UTClassof]

Bro, this could be anybody. The girls had sexually revealing instagram photos and posts, attracting all kinds of internet creeps. This is why you dont do that. It would be easy to find them. A post at their job or whatever and there you go. How many guys in and around Idaho know how to hunt, fish etc. The pool of people is huge.

[@kelseymariel2127]

Very good point.

[@Rain-yh9ws]

UT...really..i didn't know that. Interesting.

[@jstreett1]

Did I miss the update? The only new info was there may have been a stalker of one of the victims, but this had already been leaked.

[@roscoenowlin4561]

If that was my dog he would not have to worry about prsion he would be six feet under ground

[@faithismespeaks6848]

@ Roscoe Nowlin, I know, imagine how all the dogs and cats feel after word got out about what happened to Fluffy. A serial dog mutilator is on the loose.

[@billswing1445]

THE PERPETRATOR IS A STUDENT IN THE COLLEGE IF YOU GO TO ALL THE HOMES OF ALL THE STUDENTS YOU WILL FIND THAT PERSON. AND MY REASON BEHIND THAT STATEMENT IS ? 🇨🇦⚔️

[@Belladoloresart]

the difference between unconscious and horrible bloody scene of death is pretty obvious; imo that does not make sense. Was jack with a new girlfriend and she was jealous? was the person in the house already prior to them all going to bed? was there more than one? feel after Thanksgiving, someone will tip off a person sitting at the dinner table with hand wounds.....

[@garyjsimm]

It’s the roommates dude. They did it. These keystone cops are dumb

[@SaintsCheat]

No. Silly assumption. That would have prob been the first question asked and the bottom 2 roomies would know of someone else was present …:unless they are in on it 🤷‍♂️

[@SaintsCheat]

How do you think anyone will have hand wounds when a Rambo knife was used ? It has hand protectors, this was not a Fkin kitchen knife ffs 🤦‍♂️

[@garyjsimm]

@@SaintsCheat this is what I’m saying. Everyone says there was blood everywhere, but the roommates state they thought the victims were sleeping?! Come on man. And they believe them?! At the very least, they know who did it.

[@christiehamilton7536]

Agree..the 2 surviving roommates were out as well, but both came home at the sane time...also, I think they were behind one of the girl's calling the ex's phone 6 times...no evidence of anyone coming or going into the house nor leaving with blood trails....over 8 hours before 911 was called, instead they called their friends to come over first. An unconscious person?? Blood was dripping down the outside of the house!! The roommates did it and these cops are idiots.

[@KS-hi8vi]

His safety rules don’t make sense. The girls were in pairs One of them talked to her Mom when she got home. It was 4 people in the house. So they were in pairs and let people know when they got home. Sometimes you can do everything but you can’t control other peoples. Lots of residents say they don’t lock their doors. Maybe they should start. Also cameras and ring doorbells might help.

[@laurens.7510]

There were 6 in that house

[@kkFitdance]

If some had defensive wounds I can only imagine their terror and would think they’d be screaming!

[@itszee955]

And that the other 2 roommates would've noticed sooner.... Right?

[@ChrisBee-lw2qr]

I dont know why they bothered to hold this press conference. There was nothing new that they shared except for the stats on number of tips, photos taken of the crime scene and pices of evidence collected. I can't imagine how frustrated the parents of these kids and all the students and Moscow community must be feeling. Its so frustrating that they can't share who made the 911 call, why it took so long to make that call and why with such a bloodbath scene that they reported a person unconscious. My heart breaks for the families for the horrible loss of these young promishing lives that had a bright future in front of them. I hope and pray the find the killer soon.

[@lisas8244]

It's easy for me to imagine how the student mistook the dead person for being "unconscious". I've seen a lot of murder recreations in which the person discovering the body actually thought it was a suicide and the victim's arms were bound with cord. The truth is when we see something shocking like a person lying still on the floor or a person underwater in a bathtub, etc. it is a shock to our system. Our first thought isn't murder because that so rarely happens. We think of someone accidentally falling, hitting their head and being knocked out or someone falling, hitting their head and drowning in a bathtub. The first victim this witness came upon might have been closer to the door than the other bodies. It's possible all she saw was one body and the victim might have been stabbed in the front but also lying on her front side. In that case the most of the blood would not have been visible. She obviously didn't see the other three people because she reported one unconscious person.

[@happytrailsgaming]

One reason which is because they have a good reason and if there’s a chance it’s helping close in on a suspect somehow then that’s why. They won’t even answer why they are saying it’s targeted for a big reason! With the amount of evidence, photos, scans etc they said then they have multiple suspects especially with the fbi there 1000%

[@nelsonpuig]

I lived in Idaho for a while, it's a beautiful, united community, but their Police Department seems to be very incompetent.

[@marilynbarker8255]

Impressive law enforcement, and others who shared.

[@BeccasBoxerDogs]

Go to 5:25, then 25:00 @ which point they are specific and explicit on what Law Enforcement would like public to do, and what not to do.

[@dayzreloadedpve]

pretty wild, with todays technology & cameras being on every corner street and they still have no information.

[@JuliahFL]

Yet they waste time with ridiculous press conferences thanking other departments for their hard work. 😑

[@Megan-May]

I don't understand how people are not realizing that the killer locked each bedroom door after killing each victim that's why the ROOMATE thought xana was passed out

[@AskAlex1999]

Exactly

[@Rainbows_22]

And stabbing is very bloody. How could the living roommates not see ANY BLOOD?? smh 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@LosAngeles-le2bf]

The doors were locked and did not see the gruesome scene. They probably banged on the door and when they didn’t respond, they knew something was wrong. That’s why they said unresponsive person.

[@alexisr224]

but how could the killer lock the door behind them? also i thought ethans body was found near the kitchen - which would show a crazy amount of blood

[@janellj5752]

Yes. I wish people would take the time to read questions and answers instead of just reposting what others have said a hundred times.

[@the3js842]

As much as the press conference is appreciated I don't know why they bother to have it because they didn't answer one question. Which I totally understand but seemed like a waste of everybody's time

[@rogersmith4834]

One helpful suggestion for this site: Please enhance the volume.

[@rhondagrey6143]

This law enforcement and the community need prayer they are in my prayers tonight

[@connorm.6253]

I think Jack (ex boyfriend) is the prime suspect in this case. Examples being no signs of forced entry, a clear motive having just very recently broken up, and many different calls that day. This was a up close and personal crime with that knife. I think this community is probably safe to say these victims knew their attacker very very well!

[@davidb2206]

And the DOG.

[@gregorylibra5114]

And the dog didn't bark

[@Guizambaldi]

It is the one that makes sense. But police just said in this video he is not a suspect.

[@BSOG3]

I 100% agree. Also, the dog didn't bark or put up a fight because he knew Jack. Also, the phone calls from the ex and roommate to his phone, which he probably left at home on purpose, is highly suspicious. Motive: revenge and hatred of her.

[@gregorylibra5114]

Sometimes when couples wrestle the dog gets excited and barks. Now they're saying he barked for a hour, but the killer wasn't annoyed he loved the dog

[@rosekinnison4724]

First and fore most I want to wish all the investigators and the victims families Happy Thanksgiving I know this is hard on each and everyone of you thank you to the dedication to Xanax, Matty, Ethan, Kaylee.

[@CP2468]

Their dedication to Xanax would actually explain why this is taking so long

[@ShainAndrews]

@@CP2468 Who is Xanax?

[@adelinechai2583]

***XANA

[@airam-sj2172]

Xana and Ethan, not "Xanax"and "Matty"

[@harrisonleibovitz5992]

They fact that your auto correct corrected it to xanax and not “cans” or “dana” let’s me know a lot about you..

[@keithkearns6900]

Man they are truly stumped at this point. Such a sad set of events. Condolences to all of their individual families

[@gnaastiin2963]

Does anyone recall in the early days of these murders when officials were publicizing what they knew about the whereabouts and timelines of the movements of victims how it was reported that the couple were at a nearby fraternity/sorority house (or something of this nature) earlier in the evening. The reports said they were there for about an hour before they left, that they arrived home in the early morning hours and that the details of where they were between time of departure from the one place to arrival to their home were still being researched. As the days passed, this part of the story got dropped and it has never been mentioned again. It seems to have been “disappeared” from the whole story. The attention has never been placed on that couples’ whereabouts or who they were with. They just keep taking about the two friends and being at the food stand. And curiously, the young man’s family appeared in the media VERY early into this as well as recently during his funeral. They are making themselves present in all this. Why? It’s curious that NOTHING has been said about this couple, their whereabouts or associations with that house and how his parents-his mother-is often in the media.

[@nickhill8612]

I was thinking the same thing and I have to agree with you.

[@dreamerthinker5956]

Because neither of them was the target, I presume

[@anjanean]

The girlfriends Mom and family have asked for privacy and gave permission for Kylie's mom to speak about her if she wanted to as they were best friends and trusted her

[@marywilson4938]

The killer didn't do this impulsively having to do with anything that night. He decided to do this before that night. Probably after he skinned the Aussie. Please don't analyze the parents, they are handling their grief.

[@gnaastiin2963]

Dreamer Thinker--they were killed too so how were they not the target?

[@alexisr224]

why hold these conferences when there is no new information & they refuse to answer any of the questions from reporters? this person is very likely to do this again - so everyone (especially college students) needs to be on high alert because i highly doubt these cops will be able to solve this.

[@JuliahFL]

Please refer to the Kiely Rodni case. 😑

[@kmmkmm7499]

This whole case has been so strange from the start...I really hope I'm not watching this case on tv 10 yrs from now on cold case files...in the world with cameras now...how do ghost just disappear.

[@GhostPepper233]

The 4 victims on 2nd and 3rd floor and other 2 on the 1st floor that were not killed is a big red flag. Why would a killer bypass the first floor roommates to get to the 2nd and 3rd floor. This person or persons knows the 4 victim and this is a case of vengeance or utter hate for the victims. If you just wanted to kill, you slice the neck but to stab multiple times is a angry or jealous hate.

[@melaniemmml2654]

Agreed. This person knew the house and knew them

[@user-LisaLaLa]

I read in another comment that the girls down in the basement level did have their doors locked so this probably saved their lives. Also read a post from someone who said a former student said the basement was very soundproof so it is possible those girls were not aware of what horror had unfolded while they were asleep. I really don't believe they were involved. I'm leaning more to a male who has a background in hunting and who is physically strong and obviously able to overpower another male in that house. Sadly these poor kids never had a chance as its been said the sliding door was unlocked on the 2nd floor so he entered their home without breaking in. Please people on Campus and surrounding area please ensure your windows and doors are always locked day and night at the moment. 😔

[@GhostPepper233]

@@user-LisaLaLa IC now. The house images I saw shows 3 story but the house is built into an incline so on the other side the 2nd floor is at ground level and in the other side the basement door is ground level. Makes sense ty. So that on the back side so someone was stalking the house because the roommate on basement came home around an hour before the other 4. This killer(s) knows the 4 victims for sure and waited for them. Whoever did it when caught just need to be turned over to the victims family to deal how they see fit. Cause if I was one of their parents the criminals would die a slow death right up to the point of my last breath.

[@freedomofspeech8159]

Yeap, a real killer would have practiced on the 1st floor and moved to the 2nd and third. The public will have to call in the the person's name or these wothless pigs will NEVER solve this case.

[@NevaehsThriftyNiftyTreasures]

I was lol at the redhead lady holding her hand up and not getting picked then when she did she had the best questions… the ROTC theory really makes sense and the cop had that “why didn’t we think about that “ look all over his face… if it leads to an arrest that lady deserves a day at the spa to have those grey roots done and she deserves a pat on the back with a big thank you

[@merrihaven]

You don’t sleep through an ATTACK. Like that! Unless they were drugged! Stop emphasizing that they were asleep. People would wake up once a stabbing is happening!!!!!!

[@rickcooley837]

They were...drunk

[@steve5976]

We are entering a big reward zone ,,,someone in Idaho needs to put up 100k for starters

[@barblundgren498]

An unknown assailant and the police immediately claimed there was no further danger to anyone? WTF????

[@laurengreen2564]

Sounds like the Idaho State Police are doing a great job.

[@scorpjess84]

I don't understand why people are giving these officers/detectives/etc such crap..there's a process and if they listened to reporters an negative comments they'd never solve any case! People think that these group of officers don't want to solve an have the suspect in custody 🙄 they're doing everything they can with the evidence they do have...only thing I wonder is why they can't say which door (if they know) the killer came through 🤔 and if "known" that the house was a party house, how many people knew the key code smh obviously every innocent victim wasn't "staying safe" if that's the case

[@grated6972]

The early morning calls that were made by Madison and Kaylee went unanswered to the male. The Chief did not indicate if there was ever a return call from the male, or even if a voicemail was left by the Madison or Kaylee on the males phone. Possibly text message may have been sent as well possibly as a call for Help.

[@ChiefsWin316]

Why wouldn't they just call 911 if they needed help.

[@anjanean]

If you watch the parents interview they clearly state cell phones have been looked at. No text no messages.

[@grated6972]

@@anjanean Not sure if I seen all interviews. Text Messages and Voicemail can be deleted..Only Phone Records would show specific message details and length of calls

[@latitude1904]

@@anjanean I don't believe that a drunk girl who would call repeatedly would fail to text. Wasn't there a text about them sharing a dog?

[@grated6972]

@@ChiefsWin316 Right, that's why if a voicemail or txt msg might give some insight to investigation. They say there were 7 calls to the male. This would provide a time stamp as well before the crime happened .

[@stacyfrazierbauer8811]

I love when they ask questions and they say they are not releasing that yet and it's pretty much a yes or no question. You know for the most part that means yes. I am seriously curious about the question about the targeted attack. I wonder who it was and then why go up or downstairs to attack the others. Humm. I'll bet the other girls had their doors locked is the only reason they was safe. Breaking it down would have caused too much commotion. Somebody would have called 911. They were sleeping when this happened.

[@Fnanaanf]

They need to investigate any student who doesn’t return after the fall break too.

[@laurens.7510]

Reportedly the neighbor took off.